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    A message to everyone, truther or true believer:

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    Default Re: Sick and Tired of War Without End

    id like to see that crash test. unfortunately, people will probably still say it means nothing.

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    id like to see that crash test. unfortunately, people will probably still say it means nothing.
    Agreed. The perpetrators knew exactly what they were doing.

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    I'd like to see that crash test. Unfortunately, people will probably still say it means nothing.
    It's so self-evident that a crash test would add a lot of hard data to help people think for themselves, whatever the results. It's staggering that this has not been done — or that there's not more enthusiasm and support for it.

    I'm pretty sure what it would show: that lightweight aluminum plane wings, even heavily laden with fuel or liquid of any kind, would snap off immediately and fracture into a number of pieces when rocket-sled-crashed into reinforced steel girders at 500 mph. Footage of many real plane crashes as plain as day show plane wings snapping off immediately when hitting water, trees, or brick buildings at far lower speeds.

    For reference, here's yankee451's (Steve De'ak's) original 5 min video on that. But it may well need its own thread. (Steve, we can set that up easily by moving posts, if you like, Do say. Or maybe, start your own.)


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    Thank you, Bill!

    Actually the first video was this one, back in 2012 (reuploaded in 2015)


    And another little blurb in 2014:

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    Yankee, was that you in the video? It's your video and your words? If so, you made my day and I am proud to make your acquaintance.

    It gives me hope. Thanks for speaking up.
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    The declaration of "war without end" by Bush is a major reason that I moved out of the USA. It seemed then, as now, that the majority of people in the USA favored that war. I remember hearing "Why don't we just nuke them?" So, being an anti-war nut, I am an ex-patriot in more than one way.
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    Quote Posted by wnlight (here)
    The declaration of "war without end" by Bush is a major reason that I moved out of the USA. It seemed then, as now, that the majority of people in the USA favored that war. I remember hearing "Why don't we just nuke them?" So, being an anti-war nut, I am an ex-patriot in more than one way.
    I sincerely hope that the 'majority' have modified their opinions a bit over the last 17 yrs, but am not all that hopeful....

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    Would investing $35,000 in this test change anything? Would it convince more people of the truth of the matter? Or would it simply reinforce the beliefs held by those who realize the event was not what it seems.

    His comments about how easy it is to create belief systems are the basis for why many people practice discernment. Almost every belief is created with input from someone else because we have limited verifiable personal experience. Our formation of beliefs by way of emotional attachment is the thing that seems to make us human though.

    If it were easy to step back from anger and rationally approach every topic without needing to defend a position, might it not be a boring world? Nobody would need to talk. Everyone would simply wander around in their own truths obtained through personal verification. I always wonder about the life of a person who can simply observe everything without emotion. Does that result in contentment? Or is it closer to a life lacking in engagement.

    The middle ground might be discussion about an underlying belief without having emotional attachment, and yet, the end result is either a confirmation of the current belief or a step toward a modified belief, but not necessarily the truth.

    It's obvious that the truth we seek concerning 9-11 is to expose the lies, uncover the responsible parties and have justice served. (I don't expect this to happen in my lifetime, if ever.)

    But in a larger sense, is the truth an occurrence or event which happens without direct causal input? Every action has, at least an indirect effect on something or someone else.

    So often now, I wonder about the definition of that thing called "truth" and why it is seemingly so hard to find, or if it even needs to be sought. The best that can be achieved seems to be an awareness of patterns rather than an ability to stave off future events or change the underlying "evil" inherent in the system. It only seems to get worse as we become more entrenched in the digital age.

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    think whatever you do everyday, your job, passion our calling etc, I myself an artist, songwriter working 12 15 hours a day into the night, everyday.

    then think that its someones job , its what someone is doing every working hour of their day to obfuscate the truth.

    they have managed this. it no accident. its almost blatantly done out in the open and in our face. i really don't know what to say anymore

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    think whatever you do everyday, your job, passion our calling etc, I myself an artist, songwriter working 12 15 hours a day into the night, everyday.

    then think that its someones job , its what someone is doing every working hour of their day to obfuscate the truth.

    they have managed this. it no accident. its almost blatantly done out in the open and in our face. i really don't know what to say anymore

    How do they live with themselves or anyone else for that matter. It's beyond comprehension.

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    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    Yankee, was that you in the video? It's your video and your words? If so, you made my day and I am proud to make your acquaintance.

    It gives me hope. Thanks for speaking up.
    Hi Valerie,

    Yeah, that's me - Steve De'ak in real life. My friends, the Francois', asked me to write them an introduction for their conference, and I was only too happy to oblige, but they got more than they bargained for ;-). Thanks for your kind words!

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    Quote Posted by Ascension (here)
    Would investing $35,000 in this test change anything? Would it convince more people of the truth of the matter? Or would it simply reinforce the beliefs held by those who realize the event was not what it seems.

    His comments about how easy it is to create belief systems are the basis for why many people practice discernment. Almost every belief is created with input from someone else because we have limited verifiable personal experience. Our formation of beliefs by way of emotional attachment is the thing that seems to make us human though.

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    The middle ground might be discussion about an underlying belief without having emotional attachment, and yet, the end result is either a confirmation of the current belief or a step toward a modified belief, but not necessarily the truth.

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    But in a larger sense, is the truth an occurrence or event which happens without direct causal input? Every action has, at least an indirect effect on something or someone else.

    So often now, I wonder about the definition of that thing called "truth" and why it is seemingly so hard to find, or if it even needs to be sought. The best that can be achieved seems to be an awareness of patterns rather than an ability to stave off future events or change the underlying "evil" inherent in the system. It only seems to get worse as we become more entrenched in the digital age.
    To say we won't know the truth in our lifetimes, is to say we are powerless to change the future. Both will come true if we continue to sit on our hands and wait for someone else to save us.

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    Quote To say we won't know the truth in our lifetimes, is to say we are powerless to change the future. Both will come true if we continue to sit on our hands and wait for someone else to save us.
    Courage, will, intelligence and creativity. It's our best tool and our biggest power.
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    We won't be able to change this world with bullets. TPTB have more and bigger bullets. We can only change it with the truth. Unfortunately, the listener must be open to the speaker and to his/her message subject or the message will be lost. A major task of the MSM is to close the listener's ears to the truth.
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    To say we won't know the truth in our lifetimes, is to say we are powerless to change the future. Both will come true if we continue to sit on our hands and wait for someone else to save us.
    Sorry I was not clear. I am saying we already know the truth about 9-11. We have been lied to, and more than likely the perpetrators will not be brought to justice in my lifetime if ever.

    I am not waiting for anyone to save me. I am attempting to shape my personal definition of the word "truth" which is bandied about so nebulously. There are levels of truths and I made the mistake of comparing multiple levels. Really, it's just a realization that the truth of my life is the experiences I have, not the discussions about those experiences, or the need to convince anyone of anything which is totally apart from the topic of the thread. My bad.

    I agree with the passion behind the video but feel that the notion of an experiment which demonstrates the reality of what would happen to a jet crashing into a steel building being able to then change public opinion or bring anyone to justice is idealistic at best. As much as I would like for it to happen, I think it's too far gone now. I do, however, appreciate the fact that people like you are continuing to try.

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    Yes, but we must try Ascension. Our own personal best IS the benchmark. He's standing up and offering a piece of the puzzle in a rational way. There's a lot of power in that. Corny, but true.
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    This thread seems apropos for re-posting a post I made on another thread .

    The following link is to an article I wrote in 2015 that was published in the Journal of 911 Studies, The article provides a legal perspective critiquing the official conspiracy theory of the cause(s) of the destruction of WTC 1, 2 and 7 on 9/11/2001.

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/w...eyVol40Mar.pdf.

    This article argues that the official explanation of the cause(s) of the destruction of these buildings on that day is contrary to the laws of physics and is, therefore, unreliable, and thus irrelevant, and would not be admissible into evidence by an impartial judge at a hearing being held to determine the specific question of the cause(s) of the destruction of those buildings on 9/11. Only an hypothesis that complies with the known laws of physics and thus, is reliable and relevant, would be admitted into evidence at a hearing to determine the cause(s) of the destruction of these buildings on 9/11. Such an hypothesis is only an explosives hypothesis, regardless of the actual nature of the explosives involved. Which to this day remains open to debate in the 9/11 truth community.

    In my view, although I have not seen the crash test, this is the type of scientific analysis and testimony that would be admissible into evidence.

    Add: Apparently the link does not any longer goes directly to the article. It goes ot the Journal of 9/11 Studies website. There you have to click on "Articles." My article is currently the 3rd from the top regarding the cause of the destruction of the WTC buildings on 911 and expert testimony. [ Mod-edit: Link fixed. Paul. ]
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    Good work Yankee451. You are "The Razor" of 911 researchers (Occam's Razor). Can we interrogate your hypothesis further and see where it leads?

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    Satori,

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/r...eyVol40Mar.pdf

    got a 404 error on this in two different browsers.

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