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    Default Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

    The past affects the future. Culture is something that is passed on and maintained.

    We often like to speculate on the past being different then what is presented in history books but how often do we attempt to make connections between that speculated past and what is going on today?
    I have a Mormon friend who is very open minded. When conversing I would point out the evils of modern day entertainment and politics with hints of Pizza Gate and Maria Abramovic. He would point out to me how the Mormons believe that there were giants in the Americas and how these Giants were evil and would eat people. I agreed with this and pointed out how the Smithsonian had been conducting cover ups hiding skeletons and tools of such under the guise of Academia.
    During the course of our conversation it sang out like a bell to me that the current practices of the elite seem to mirror the practices of the Giant Cannibals from tales of old.
    Did the Smithsonian destroy all written information found of these giants such as the hieroglyphs of the cave found in the Grand Canyon of AZ or have these writings persisted in a manner that is consistent with a valued and treasured doctrine? Do the elite hold fast to ancient ceremonies found in ancient doctrines not shared with the rest of us? The rituals at Bohemian Grove seem to indicate this is at least a possibility.

    It has long been the belief that the Anasazi of the American South West practiced cannibalism as a form of political terrorism. If you break the rules a troop of specialized shock warriors show up to your village and kill and eat the entire village. This the archeologists insist serves as a deterrent from breaking future rules.
    This because so many bones in this time period show evidence of butchering and cooking.
    And this usually also is in conjunction with the absolute end of the entire village.

    In the article below Mike Davis presents an alternate model to the Anasazis practicing cannibalism. If something like what Mike Davis is talking about did occur I think it contributes to what is going on in the present even in how it relates to Tom Delonge's specific form of disclosure.

    This article below can be found here. https://legends.atavist.com/the-anas...re-did-they-go


    The Anasazi Legend: Where did they go?



    Mike Davis



    Why did the Anasazi move into the Cliff?

    It has in the past been one of the Archaeologists most fascinating and greatest mysteries “Why did the Anasazi spend so much time building such incredible cliff dwellings only to abandon the entire area decades later?

    For most of their history the Anasazi lived in small scattered villages on the mesas and in the valleys but in the of the 13th century something took place causing the Anasazi to start to cluster together and soon afterwards they began to build high walls around their settlements or took the precarious step of moving whole villages onto the cliff sides until fewer than 50 years later they abandoned such places leaving behind most of their possessions as if they were in a hurry planning never to return.

    These ancient people who lived right here in the Verde Valley built elaborate 5 story cliff dwellings almost 100 feet up in the air up areas most people today would not dare go yet the ancient peoples of the time including women, children, and elderly made the trip daily at places like Montezuma Castle. Of special feature is a well-documented study of multi-regional assessment of episodic human bones assemblages (scattered floor deposits or charnel pits) by taphonomic analysis, which considers what happens to bones from the time of death to the time of recovery. During the past thirty years, researchers have identified a minimal perimortem taphonomic signature of burning, pot polishing, anvil abrasions, bone breakage, cut marks, and missing vertebrae that closely match the signatures of animal butchering and is frequently associated with cannibalism. Cut marks, fractures, and other stone-tool scars were present on the bones, and the light color of some suggests stewing. Patterns of burning indicate that many were exposed to flame while still covered with flesh, which is what would be expected after cooking over a fire.

    Archaeologists over the years have argued bitterly over whether the ancient Anasazi routinely killed and ate each other. From one point of view, the evidence seems overwhelming: piles of butchered human bones, some of which were apparently roasted or boiled. In some instances, ancient human feces even seem to contain traces of digested human tissue.

    At sites spread across the Four Corners region, researcher and author Christy Turner have amassed more than 30 examples of brutalized human remains. In a series of academic papers, and in his book “Man Corn,” Turner paints a picture in which humans were systematically butchered and eaten, their remains tossed casually aside. [1] But from another standpoint, Anasazi cannibalism doesn’t make sense. Eating people obviously isn’t part of modern Pueblo culture, and local American Indian tribes are deeply offended by the suggestion that their Anasazi ancestors may have been cannibals. As a result, a scientific battle has developed which has polarized into two separate camps: “the bleeding hearts vs. the rip-their-hearts-out” factions. Those who argue for cannibalism note that the evidence drops off after about A.D. 1200, around the time the Anasazi moved out of their main strongholds and scattered across the countryside. Archaeologists don’t know what caused this massive migration, although a major drought may have played a role; nor do they know what caused the great social upheavals that apparently brought an end to the violence.

    Archaeologists theorize that the Anasazi moved away or were just absorbed into the Navajo and Hopi Tribes. But information has come forth from Dr. Done Mose, a third-generation medicine man for the Navajo Nation who stated, “The tribes looked for them and could not find them. They tracked them to the Chaco valley but they were gone. The tribes mourned them and cried.” Chaco we are told means “to cry.” [2]

    The ancient Anasazi people for some mysterious reason abandoned great cities in Arizona at locations called Chaco to go live in steep mountainous locations than just up and vanished leaving their possessions behind.

    Looking to other Tribes for Answers

    In the fifth broadcast entry of “On the Path of the Immortals” two field investigators (Allie Anderson and Carl Olafsen) talk to Derek Gilbert about their trip to the four corners area where the ancient Anasazi disappeared and their visit with Dr. Done Mose, a third-generation medicine man for the Navajo Nation. On the show, Allie Anderson, a researcher and investigator mention specifically how after going into the field she learns what the Indians refer to the meaning of the word “Anasazi” as being “ancient enemy and ancient alien enemy.” [3] In addition, Dalton Taylor, a Hopi Elder, also claims the meaning of the word Anasazi means “ancient enemy.” [4]

    Why would other tribes in the region, especially elders from the Navajo and Hopi nation, say the true meaning of the name Anasazi means ancient alien enemy? What an interesting statement which under closer examination becomes a great revelation once some of the other beliefs tribes in the region maintain become known.

    Creation stories of Natives Americans and the Bible

    Such striking similarities between creation stories from numerous cultures worldwide and the Genesis account have been hard to explain for evolutionists. They typically dismiss them as resulting from ‘Christian influence.’ However, despite the fact that this may have occurred in some instances, this has been flatly denied from many indigenous people, many of whom are hostile to a biblical view. Furthermore, the deviations in the stories from the biblical account support their originality. In his book, Red Earth, White Lies, Vine Deloria, (no friend of Christianity) makes some interesting statements regarding flood tales which show up in virtually all native American creation stories.

    Flood stories are almost always linked with the concerns of fundamentalist Christians, who believe that Indian accounts of a great flood will provide additional proof of the accuracy of the Old Testament. With their cultural blinders in place, it never occurs to them that the Old Testament may very well provide evidence of the basic accuracy of the Indian story.[5]

    Thomas Horn, author of “On the Path of the Immortals,” and his team did a great job of researching some of the native Indian myths, legends, and traditions in the region establishing what they found to be a common theme.

    1. In the beginning, the creator made everything.
    2. Powerful reptilians then came down from Heaven through portals (the spiral, halo, and reptilian symbols) to deceive the world, and the world fell into darkness. This is also hinted in one of the meanings of the word Anasazi (“an alien enemy”).
    3. Portals (represented in ancient spiral symbolism beside giant, six-toed footprints and horned, humanoid figures) opened at this time and alien “gods,” monsters, and giants came through them. Some of these giants had six fingers and six toes (just as described in the Old Testament).
    4. The creator destroyed the monsters and giants in a great flood.
    5. Yet the giants and reptilian deceivers returned, though not in the same numbers as had been before the flood. They turned the people to sorcery, cannibalism, and human sacrifice (as did the plumed serpents of the Mesoamerican Maya and Aztec).[6]


    On one hand, we have the local native Americans speaking about events in history taking place roughly at the same time as what has been recorded in Bible. Coincidence? Perhaps at this point in the story but not when other factors are taken into account.

    Note: When the Torah (Genesis through Deuteronomy, the first five books of the Bible) was written around BC 1300, this would have been the same time when archaeologists believe the Anasazi, across the world from those Bible lands, were drawing giant, six-toed footprints on a slab wall in Utah and facing “an alien enemy” as the name “Anasazi” implies.

    Chronicles 20:6: “And there was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number, and he also was descended from the giants.”

    On the other side of the world in the Middle East the Hebrews as we know ultimately presented to the world a history of its people through the publication of the Holy Bible. Unfortunately, there are no such written detailed records for the American Native Indians unless of course you take into account and consider petroglyphs a form of communication. Although there are no known methods of dating rock art or interpreting the figures on the rock, almost all scholars are undecided as to their meaning or have yet to decipher them. However, as the old saying goes, “A picture can often portray 1,000 words.”

    There is also accounts in the bible where several hundred fallen Angels descended to Earth on Mount Harmon. Genesis 6:1-4 says: “When men began to multiply on the face of the Earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and took them wives of all which they chose.

    Traditionally speaking two hundred of the ‘fallen angels’ descended from the heavenly realm on to the summit of Mount Hermon and they were so smitten by the beauty of human women that, using their new material bodies, legend says they had sex with them through trickery. This further incurred the Creators wrath and, according to the Bible, the consequence of this miscegenation between the Fallen Ones and mortals led to the creation of half-angelic, half-human offspring (Genesis 6:4). These children were called the Nephilim and they were the giant race that once inhabited Old Earth. [7] The history of the Fallen Angels is sewn tightly together using such books as Enoch, Jasher, Jubilees, The Book of Giants, The War Scrolls, and many others. It has been recorded most of the Nephilim were cannibalistic which may help explain what happened to the Anasazi sense these beings were vicious and greatly feared for their size and strength.

    The children of the Fallen Angels became the giants of old who also consumed human flesh which then started teaching man all sorts of forbidden arts like how to open portals and gateways using sorcery and other methods. The Fallen Angels produced flesh-eating giants that inhabited and roamed the earth, the Nephilim even occupied the Promised land. In the Old Testament, they were called Anakims, Raphaims, Zamzumims. Many ancient Jewish sources tell us about the fall of the Angels in heaven.[8]

    Rock art from all around the 4 corners area reveals some very compelling characteristics which without a doubt seem to tell tales about what was actually taking place in the region. The Anasazi, who ironically disappeared when the habit of writing also suddenly ceased, used images and symbols similar to those found globally that connect to a first, and second, incursion of giants and the mountainous gateways their creators came through. What is amazing is how the ancient images show some of the same qualities as the information mentioned in the Bible. The similarities are astonishing and by no means can or should be dismissed as simple ancient graffiti or something else like doodling as some have suggested. For there to be symbols of spirals which are almost always associated with portals, giant 6 toed footprints next to smaller 5 toed footprints, and giant beings recorded as being in the area all form sets of coincidences which can’t be ignored.

    If you take the images that the Anasazi left behind and compare them to similar universal symbols found elsewhere around the world where the stories and meanings of the images have been made clear it is more likely than not these universal stories agree with the record of every major culture of the ancient world in which the legends of “gods” were recorded. These legends depict beings descending from Heaven and/or coming through spiral portals and vortexes to the earth.

    Choctaw legends say that after their people crossed the Mississippi River, they met a powerful race of cannibal giants who came from the east. The Sioux say that the earth was originally peopled by giants, who were three times the size of modern man. They too say that the giants were wiped out by a great flood. Navaho legends also tell of great giants that used to wander the land. They also say that giants used to live in the Grand Canyon and they were 10 to 18 feet tall. In the 1890’s in Crittenden, Arizona, men uncovered a granite coffin 12 feet in length. But the only remaining evidence was a six-toed foot. [9]

    According to an article published in The Arizona Gazette on April 5, 1909, the Grand Canyon was once home to a civilization that most likely consisted of individuals of giant proportions. The article mentions the discovery of an enormous underground citadel by an explorer named G.E. Kinkaid, who stumbled upon it while rafting on the Colorado River. It is worth mentioning that Kinkaid was an established archaeologist and had financial backing from the Smithsonian Institute. [10]

    The Grand Canyon Escalade Casino Vortex
    Not far from the Verde Valley Council Delegate Ben Bennett sponsored a bill to get the Navajo Nation to approve and fork over $65 million to help build the Grand Canyon Escalade Casina/Resort a proposed entertainment complex on the eastern rim of the Grand Canyon within the boundaries of the Navajo Nation.

    The Grand Canyon Escalade — opposed by tens of thousands of people worldwide — would take 420 acres of land away from Navajos on the western side of the Navajo Nation to build a resort and gondola tram down into Grand Canyon National Park at the confluence of Colorado and Little Colorado rivers. The proposed development is opposed by the federal government, conservationists, and more than 18 American Indian tribes, who say there are many sacred spaces that would be desecrated. The Memorandum of Understanding to develop this 200 million dollar project in such an odd breathtaking area that would have a 1.6-mile gondola tram ride that would drop 3,200 feet into the Canyon, taking visitors from rim to river in about 10 minutes down into to what was once called a gate to the underground in the ancient past is questionable to say the very least. This project gives rise to the very distinct possibility the gates to the underworld very well may be opening up for admission to the general public for this location is where an underground city was discovered G. E. Kincaid. It is also the location where several tribes say their people emerged from. The Hopi believe humans emerged from a place near the confluence called the Sipapu. The Navajo, too, has historic ties to Grand Canyon who also have similar beliefs.

    The Verde Valley has a Sipapu, Montezuma Well. It is on tribal land protected by the US Forest Service. There is also Cliff Castle Casino close by Montezuma Castle where people of the past risked their lives going up and down primitive ladders every day 100 feet in an area having no natural predators to warrant the risk yet for some odd reason they did just to apparently kick it at a castle in the cliffs way back in the day.

    CONCLUSION

    The ancient ruins of the Anasazi date to megalithic ruins elsewhere in the world and all seem to have the same fingerprints and six-toed footprints of the giants all over them. The legends and tales handed down by ancestors from numerous American Indian tribes along with the rock art created in the regions at the time all seem to closely match what has been outlined in Bible of when beings descended to earth and began to mingle with humanity resulting in giants who ironically were said to be cannibals. That being said it doesn’t take a whole lot to come to the conclusion as to why some Anasazi went to great lengths to build homes hundreds of feet up onto cliff walls.

    Since it is found on record giants were themselves cannibalistic, a city of giants was reportedly found in the Grand Canyon, along with petroglyphs depicting giants with six toes, and the accounts of giants mentioned in the Bible with the same characteristics, it becomes very clear what must have been possibly happening in the region and what possibly happened to the Anasazi.

    Elder Clifford Mahooty is a member of the Zuni Pueblo Indian Tribe of New Mexico who is a retired civil/environmental engineer and worked in many projects with Shell Oil Company, US Federal Government in Environmental justice for Indian tribes, Tribal housing projects in the as a commissioned officer in water, wastewater, and EPA enforcement in environmental compliance. Mahooty is active in the Zuni orders of the Kachina, Galaxy Medicine Society, Sun Clan leadership, and is a wisdom keeper of the Zuni history. Mahooty is considered to be an expert on many levels which is why he has appeared on many television shows like Ancient Aliens and others. Recently Mahooty did a presentation where he specifically says there is a portal in the Grand Canyon to the underworld and there was indeed something removed from the caves by the Smithsonian Institute. If the Smithsonian Institute admits to the find then indeed giants did roam the land to which people had to build battlements to survive like we find at Montezuma Castle and Tuzigoot.
    <img draggable="false" style="width: 675px;"> Weekly Journal Miner, Prescott, Arizona, August 9, 1911.


    SOURCES:
    [1] Kolb, C.C., (1999). Man Corn: Cannibalism and Violence in the Prehistoric American Southwest. Christy G. Turner and Jacqueline A. Turner. University of Utah Press, Salt Lake City, 1999. Bulletin of the History of Archaeology. 9(2), pp.12–19. DOI: http://doi.org/10.5334/bha.09203

    [2] Thomas R. Horn, On the Path of the Immortals, http://www.newswithviews.com/Horn/thomas244.htm


    [3] Allie Anderson, Sky Watch TV, Part 5 On the Path of the Immortals, 9:00-10:00, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LALe8P6iZ6A


    [4] Dawa Taylor, Outreach Coordinator, Hopilavayi Program, Mystery of the Anasazi (SECRET ANCIENT HISTORY DOCUMENTARY).


    [5] Creation.com, Indian creation myths, Calvin Smith. http://creation.com/indian-creation-myths


    [6] Thomas R. Horn, On the Path of the Immortals. http://www.newswithviews.com/Horn/thomas244.htm


    [7] Enoch & the Watchers: The Real Story of Angels & Demons. http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/artic...-angels-demons


    [8] Enoch & the Watchers: The Real Story of Angels & Demons.


    [9] Nephilim Hunters, Native Americans Tell of Giants. http://nephilim-hunters.com/native-a...ell-of-giants/


    [10] An Underground City of Giants Discovered in the Grand Canyon? http://locklip.com/an-underground-ci...e-grand-canyon


    NOTE: This information has been taken from a chapter in the book theSedona/Verde Valley Vortex and or will be added on the next update.

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    Default Re: Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

    there are countless sources which have researched giants once occupying N. America and probably most of the rest of the world, too; doesn't it state in Genesis (paraphrase) "in those days giants roamed the earth"?

    if one is truly interessted in this subject a great start is (other than DNA's references) Richard J. Dewhurst's book "The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America; The Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian Cover-Up"-

    am not sure whether it was Dewhurst or another source but the Piute Indians in the American SW in their oral history claim to have have fought and destroyed 7/8 ft. tall red-headed giants with 6 digits on each appendage who were kidnapping and subsequently cannibilising Piutes;

    if read sources are correct they supposedly discovered some of the skeletal remains of these giants but the remains were immediately whisked off to the "restricted access" area of the Smithsonian (if they were'nt destroyed)-

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    Default Re: Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

    An interesting read...having been very interested in giants for quite some time I would only add that "they" are not "human" and cannot be "cannibals"....they were/are predators in every way imaginable.

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    Default Re: Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

    Wow, fallen angels in the Ohio valley? Nephalim?

    Ohio borders West Virginia, and during the time of the Mothman in 1966 and 1967(Point Pleasant, West Virginia) very similar high strangeness phenomena was going on in the Ohio valley. Was Mothman a fallen angel? John Keel described certain areas in West Virginia and the Ohio valley as very anomalous, because they were lush with game but were never settled by any of the natives. They were also highly populated with the infamous "mounds" that are sometimes referred to as grave sites for giants.

    Mothman was often described as being 7 ft plus. Was he a giant?

    Sorry, this thread is about the Anazazi, but I couldn't help but wonder after reading the nephalim hunter link provided.

    The Anazazi were clearly scared of something if they deemed building and living on cliffs favorable to living on the ground. If I were just thinking mundanely, I might think that perhaps they were avoiding a potential flood scenario.

    It certainly is a strategic advantage against any kind of enemy, giants or otherwise, to be that high....to be able to see over large distances and to not be snuck up upon. All I can say is, to do something that dramatic required a dramatic fear. The native Americans are often depicted as very proud, honorable men, therefore cannibalism amongst themselves seems unlikely. It just may suggest an outside source.
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    Default Re: Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

    Nephilin is Aramaic for "giants", and usually with loan words, n turns into m for Hebrew Nephilim, which does not mean fallen angels, due to the lack of malakim, seraphim, cherubim.

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    Default Re: Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

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    The native Americans are often depicted as very proud, honorable men, therefore cannibalism amongst themselves seems unlikely. It just may suggest an outside source.

    I agree, I remember reading about the Donner Party and how when starvation set in and they started turning to cannibalism the only two Native Americans who were guides for the party sought to leave and die in the wilderness rather than partake of what the folks in the Donner party were doing.

    So yea I was pretty surprised to see cannibalism considered so prevalent among the Anasazi.

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    The native Americans are often depicted as very proud, honorable men, therefore cannibalism amongst themselves seems unlikely. It just may suggest an outside source.

    I agree, I remember reading about the Donner Party and how when starvation set in and they started turning to cannibalism the only two Native Americans who were guides for the party sought to leave and die in the wilderness rather than partake of what the folks in the Donner party were doing.

    So yea I was pretty surprised to see cannibalism considered so prevalent among the Anasazi.


    The Donner party? I'll have to Google that.

    Ya know, the more I'm thinking about it, the crazier this cliff dwelling civilization seems. If they were just doing it for a strategic measure against would be attackers, they'd likely just build a look-out area or 2 up there; they certainly wouldn't need to move the whole bloody tribe to the cliffs. It actually might represent a disadvantage if a tribe on the ground could force them to remain up there for a length a time...to starve them out or something.

    It really seems like a desperate act, doesn't it?...as if the man in charge thought to himself, ya know what, f#ck this.. , and in an act of exasperated desperation, sought to avoid something terrifyingly dangerous by doing something totally unprecedented.....like building a village on a bloody cliff. The thinking may have been, we can't fight them fairly on the ground, we can't pack up our things and outrun them...well the only way to go is up!

    The article said that something initially occured to make them all band together....first to build large walls around their villages...and then seek the cliffs.

    It couldn't have just been an enemy tribe, could it?

    And then, less than 50 years later they vanished, leaving everything behind in the process. People don't usually willfully leave everything they own behind. It suggests they either had to flee an immediate danger, or they were taken one way or another. Fast forward to all these bones exhibiting signs of cannibalism, and we have one hell of a mystery on our hands.
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    Default Re: Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    The Donner party? I'll have to Google that.

    Ya know, the more I'm thinking about it, the crazier this cliff dwelling civilization seems. If they were just doing it for a strategic measure against would be attackers, they'd likely just build a look-out area or 2 up there; they certainly wouldn't need to move the whole bloody tribe to the cliffs. It actually might represent a disadvantage if a tribe on the ground could force them to remain up there for a length a time...to starve them out or something.

    It really seems like a desperate act, doesn't it?...as if the man in charge thought to himself, ya know what, f#ck this.. , and in an act of exasperated desperation, sought to avoid something terrifyingly dangerous by doing something totally unprecedented.....like building a village on a bloody cliff. The thinking may have been, we can't fight them fairly on the ground, we can't pack up our things and outrun them...well the only way to go is up!

    The article said that something initially occured to make them all band together....first to build large walls around their villages...and then seek the cliffs.

    It couldn't have just been an enemy tribe, could it?

    And then, less than 50 years later they vanished, leaving everything behind in the process. People don't usually willfully leave everything they own behind. It suggests they either had to flee an immediate danger, or they were taken one way or another. Fast forward to all these bones exhibiting signs of cannibalism, and we have one hell of a mystery on our hands.

    Dude have you ever seen the specific location he is talking about? We are talking a hundred effing feet off the ground. A hundred feet on twine rapped pieces of wood and twigs. I wouldn't trust the best ladder presently made to climb it 100 ft up, and they had kids and elderly doing it. I would never in a million years want to send one of my kids up something like that. So yes, whatever the reason for them resorting to such extreme measures the danger must have been extreme.



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    Default Re: Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

    The Native Americans that have been asked specifically state they are not the mound builders. However the Government enacted legislation that prevents anyone from disturbing Native American sites or remains.....so no further digs are likely to be allowed. An effective tactics indeed.

    The above post recounts and includes a statement that the tribes closest to them "wept" when they searched and could not find the Cave fort people......suggesting they were on good terms with their neighbours so fortifications against them would be unnecessary. People band together when facing a common enemy or threat suggested as in this case.

    In that they had the time and the "need" to build these structures and fortifications I expect the attacks were not sustained like in an all out immediate war scenario but attacks made continually. Perhaps seasonally? Giving them enough time to build fortifications.

    LA Marzulli and Steve Qualye both interviewed a soldier and a pilot from Afghanistan that recounted fighting with a red haired Giant. Apparently even with modern weapons 6 or more soldiers were hard pressed to subdue and kill it. Some were torn in half. They are effectively nigh on bullet proof.

    Now imagine trying to use bows and arrows against something who has skin tough enough that bullets bounce off.......one chance, GO FOR THE EYES!

    The Native Americans would not stand a chance and their fort was more like a fast food place for the attackers......oh look an all you can eat buffet of tasty humans!

    I can imagine that the giants upon coming across the cave fortresses grew upset and just slaughtered everyone.

    Quite a few videos online about the Giant of Khandahar

    https://www.wnd.com/2016/08/is-u-s-government-hiding-the-giant-of-kandahar/


    The account of Giants in a cave is the Lovelock cave story. The local Pauites Nation grew tired of being attacked and eaten by the local giants, sealed them their cave home and burned them alive. Many giant skeletal remains were found.......and of course disappeared. They were apparently red headed. A very common trait recounted globally. This may be the genesis of the antagonism red haired people have faced for millennia?


    It "seems" from all accounts there were several differing types of "Giants" some with elongated skulls as in Peru were apparently venerated and worshiped with humans copying their elongated skulls with cradle boarding their heads to emulate high status. Then we have the wild giants that eat people.

    A contrast as we have highly advanced giants that build monuments, earthworks and megaliths...and those that eat us.

    Apparently in Peru the local regular humans
    rebelled and killed all of the larger people with naturally elongated skulls and mass graves of their remains are scattered across an area. Preliminary DNA testing has been completed by LA Marzulli, Jim Viera and Steve Qualye.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/myth...fiction-003060
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    Default Re: Archeologists condemn Anazasi of cannibalism, but could it have been Giants?

    I would add that standing say .......15ft high, the physical strength compared to our own is orders of magnitude greater than we can imagine. Compare the psychical capacity of an adult power lifter to that of a 3 year old.

    Producing enormous megaliths and earthworks would not really present much of a challenge.

    Their cranial capacity alone would FAR exceed our own...that could lead to a vastly different form of intelligence. Although there are so many accounts of rampaging giants...I sometimes wonder if some subset were permanently impaired in some way causing them to fly into fits of rage.
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    There is a film, well, actually at least two now by Gabi Plum on youtube. "Our Cousins Across The Sea" and "Skeletons in the Closet" which is another both of which hint in parts about 'the long skull clans' and how these tribes of different people, red heads by the way and not related to us but a different clan or sub species of hominid with longer heads ate people! They were led by Patuko (spelling probably wrong) the Long Skull recorded in their history in NZ and Easter Isle, Australia, and the Polynesian isles and the Hawaiian isles too. These tribes liked to hunt and kill and eat the first born of humans particularly human first born with red hair!

    These tribes of long skulls led by Patuko their king referred to the humans as 'the Long Pig" the best of all meat, and the sweetest of all meats and they hunted us! Dutch sailors tell tales of them and rare tales of those that escaped talked of how the long skulls celebrated having humans to eat and would cut off ears to munch while the were still alive or slow roasting on a spit. The tales talk of how the children of these long skull tribes played with the heads of the dead like soccer balls after a feast and those in the cages not yet up for being the next meal talked about these things after escaping.


    A great Polynesian king, I forget his name but he was sick of this and so many, even among his own family lost first born children and more to these clans that the king ordered they be hunted down and wiped from the earth. His Navy reportedly went out and sailed the seas chasing them from the isles, to Egypt, through all of Persia, across the seas to the Americas and what is Peru today and finally catching the bulk of them there they enslaved and began offering up the royals for sacrifices in Paracus where they kept them as prisoners!
    Clans later reported to be related to these long skulls but that were not guilty of eating humans like the Alihana of the Americas which were also quite tall were also hunted and chased to the Catalina island off of CA where they sought refuge and survived long after most were wiped off the earth, but in time they too were killed off.

    The Anasazi like others that mysteriously vanished during this time were all related tribes as was the great Pharaoh of Egypt with the cone head that was chased off as one of them also! They were all related to the long skulls and reportedly vanished because of the Polynesian king orders to hunt them down! That is why the Anasazi sought refuge high into cliffs hiding because the hunt was on for the giants and many of the giant slaying myths and dragon slaying myths as well are reported to have stemmed from these hunts at the kings orders and his loyal were out in the world killing them! Slaying them and bringing home trophy after trophy to display.

    Some cone heads had 'serpentine appearance to them' like dragons or something from myth like a demon. Because these clans reportedly wore skins with scales from reptiles like snakes, alligators, crocs and so on they were even more like a lizard so the dragon slaying myths can in some cases be stories from the killing of these cannibal clans that ate us!
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    Ratszinger....could you break your post down into more sizeable chunks which would make it easier to read? Thanks!!

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    Ratszinger....could you break your post down into more sizeable chunks which would make it easier to read? Thanks!!
    So sorry. Get in a hurry at times. I didn't notice it was such a big paragraph.

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    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    There is a film, well, actually at least two now by Gabi Plum on youtube. "Our Cousins Across The Sea" and "Skeletons in the Closet" which is another both of which hint in parts about 'the long skull clans' and how these tribes of different people, red heads by the way and not related to us but a different clan or sub species of hominid with longer heads ate people! They were led by Patuko (spelling probably wrong) the Long Skull recorded in their history in NZ and Easter Isle, Australia, and the Polynesian isles and the Hawaiian isles too. These tribes liked to hunt and kill and eat the first born of humans particularly human first born with red hair!

    These tribes of long skulls led by Patuko their king referred to the humans as 'the Long Pig" the best of all meat, and the sweetest of all meats and they hunted us! Dutch sailors tell tales of them and rare tales of those that escaped talked of how the long skulls celebrated having humans to eat and would cut off ears to munch while the were still alive or slow roasting on a spit. The tales talk of how the children of these long skull tribes played with the heads of the dead like soccer balls after a feast and those in the cages not yet up for being the next meal talked about these things after escaping.


    A great Polynesian king, I forget his name but he was sick of this and so many, even among his own family lost first born children and more to these clans that the king ordered they be hunted down and wiped from the earth. His Navy reportedly went out and sailed the seas chasing them from the isles, to Egypt, through all of Persia, across the seas to the Americas and what is Peru today and finally catching the bulk of them there they enslaved and began offering up the royals for sacrifices in Paracus where they kept them as prisoners!
    Clans later reported to be related to these long skulls but that were not guilty of eating humans like the Alihana of the Americas which were also quite tall were also hunted and chased to the Catalina island off of CA where they sought refuge and survived long after most were wiped off the earth, but in time they too were killed off.

    The Anasazi like others that mysteriously vanished during this time were all related tribes as was the great Pharaoh of Egypt with the cone head that was chased off as one of them also! They were all related to the long skulls and reportedly vanished because of the Polynesian king orders to hunt them down! That is why the Anasazi sought refuge high into cliffs hiding because the hunt was on for the giants and many of the giant slaying myths and dragon slaying myths as well are reported to have stemmed from these hunts at the kings orders and his loyal were out in the world killing them! Slaying them and bringing home trophy after trophy to display.

    Some cone heads had 'serpentine appearance to them' like dragons or something from myth like a demon. Because these clans reportedly wore skins with scales from reptiles like snakes, alligators, crocs and so on they were even more like a lizard so the dragon slaying myths can in some cases be stories from the killing of these cannibal clans that ate us!
    I saw both of them. They are free towatch. There really seems to be a global conspiracy to surpress knowledge about the giants and long heads.

    If correct then the Giants migrated out of the Middle East some heading to America and others via S. America to Polynesia and on to New Zealand.

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    Quote Posted by Ratszinger (here)
    There is a film, well, actually at least two now by Gabi Plum on youtube. "Our Cousins Across The Sea" and "Skeletons in the Closet" which is another both of which hint in parts about 'the long skull clans' and how these tribes of different people, red heads by the way and not related to us but a different clan or sub species of hominid with longer heads ate people! They were led by Patuko (spelling probably wrong) the Long Skull recorded in their history in NZ and Easter Isle, Australia, and the Polynesian isles and the Hawaiian isles too. These tribes liked to hunt and kill and eat the first born of humans particularly human first born with red hair!

    These tribes of long skulls led by Patuko their king referred to the humans as 'the Long Pig" the best of all meat, and the sweetest of all meats and they hunted us! Dutch sailors tell tales of them and rare tales of those that escaped talked of how the long skulls celebrated having humans to eat and would cut off ears to munch while the were still alive or slow roasting on a spit. The tales talk of how the children of these long skull tribes played with the heads of the dead like soccer balls after a feast and those in the cages not yet up for being the next meal talked about these things after escaping.


    A great Polynesian king, I forget his name but he was sick of this and so many, even among his own family lost first born children and more to these clans that the king ordered they be hunted down and wiped from the earth. His Navy reportedly went out and sailed the seas chasing them from the isles, to Egypt, through all of Persia, across the seas to the Americas and what is Peru today and finally catching the bulk of them there they enslaved and began offering up the royals for sacrifices in Paracus where they kept them as prisoners!
    Clans later reported to be related to these long skulls but that were not guilty of eating humans like the Alihana of the Americas which were also quite tall were also hunted and chased to the Catalina island off of CA where they sought refuge and survived long after most were wiped off the earth, but in time they too were killed off.

    The Anasazi like others that mysteriously vanished during this time were all related tribes as was the great Pharaoh of Egypt with the cone head that was chased off as one of them also! They were all related to the long skulls and reportedly vanished because of the Polynesian king orders to hunt them down! That is why the Anasazi sought refuge high into cliffs hiding because the hunt was on for the giants and many of the giant slaying myths and dragon slaying myths as well are reported to have stemmed from these hunts at the kings orders and his loyal were out in the world killing them! Slaying them and bringing home trophy after trophy to display.

    Some cone heads had 'serpentine appearance to them' like dragons or something from myth like a demon. Because these clans reportedly wore skins with scales from reptiles like snakes, alligators, crocs and so on they were even more like a lizard so the dragon slaying myths can in some cases be stories from the killing of these cannibal clans that ate us!

    Just throwing this out there but Ralph Glidden an amateur archeologist took what is in my opinion the only real surviving picture of an 8ft tall six fingered giant.

    Just throwing this out there because you mentioned Catalina Island on your post and this is where Ralph Glidden found this skeleton.

    From the Project Avalon thread found here.



    Ralph Glidden was an amateur Archaeologist who was supposed to have dug up a few actual giants in the Catalina Island off the coast of Los Angeles CA circa 1900-1930.

    L.A. Marzulli was said to have found this picture while digging through a trunk of Ralph Glidden's stuff in a Catalina Island historical museum. He was forced to bribe the caretakers of the museum which I believe costed him $5000. They had no idea what was in the trunk, and had to oblige Marzulli who said as part of the condition of his payment was that he was able to photograph anything in the trunk. So this photo is a picture of a picture so to speak. Marzulli is a little bit crazy sounding at times but I give him the benefit of the doubt that this picture is real. The Historical Museum on Catalina Island has since opened up a Glidden information section in their Museum and they have used this exact picture minus the Giant skeleton which they have cropped out. Funny huh.











    NOTE THE SIX FINGERS IN THE PIC ABOVE

    I would like to state, that as far as I know, this is the only actual picture of the often mentioned six fingered giants of North America with two rows of teeth.

    If this picture is legit, it's the only one not gobbled up by the Smithsonian. As much as we have been told about the giants that were dug up in the 1800's, there is not one such giant skeleton and or giant skeleton picture to have survived the attack of the Smithsonian thieves who gathered all evidence in the guise of Archaeology.

    It's worth noting that Marzulli said he found this information while writing his book "On The Trail Of The Nephilim II"

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    An interesting read...having been very interested in giants for quite some time I would only add that "they" are not "human" and cannot be "cannibals"....they were/are predators in every way imaginable.
    There is a debatable ethic here. Such as "would you eat a sentient, speaking and intelligent being?". Lets say you caught a little person of say two feet with completely different DNA, a speaking and intelligent creature walking on two legs and looking very similar to other humans.
    Would you consider eating it?
    I understand the term cannibalism and how it is defined in the dictionary, but this definition does not need to ethically clarify with multiple intelligent beings existing because as far as it knows there are not.
    Neanderthals and Homosapians existed at the same time and some state that they ate each other.
    Would this not constitute cannibalism?

    Quote Posted by CurEus (here)
    The Native Americans that have been asked specifically state they are not the mound builders. However the Government enacted legislation that prevents anyone from disturbing Native American sites or remains.....so no further digs are likely to be allowed. An effective tactics indeed.
    Indeed


    Quote Posted by CurEus (here)
    The above post recounts and includes a statement that the tribes closest to them "wept" when they searched and could not find the Cave fort people......suggesting they were on good terms with their neighbours so fortifications against them would be unnecessary. People band together when facing a common enemy or threat suggested as in this case.
    In that they had the time and the "need" to build these structures and fortifications I expect the attacks were not sustained like in an all out immediate war scenario but attacks made continually. Perhaps seasonally? Giving them enough time to build fortifications.
    LA Marzulli and Steve Qualye both interviewed a soldier and a pilot from Afghanistan that recounted fighting with a red haired Giant. Apparently even with modern weapons 6 or more soldiers were hard pressed to subdue and kill it. Some were torn in half. They are effectively nigh on bullet proof.
    Now imagine trying to use bows and arrows against something who has skin tough enough that bullets bounce off.......one chance, GO FOR THE EYES!
    I don't think the bullets bounced off of them but rather it took some time for the bullets to subdue them.
    The Military uses the NATO round .223 which is basically a 22 bullet tip with more powder behind it.
    These bullets are not hollow point and they tend to go right through the target causing the least amount of damage a bullet with this much powder can cause.
    This bullet would almost assuredly not take a large animal down unless you shot it repeatedly, which I'm sure would have been the case with the Afghan giant.
    And yes, bows and arrows and such would have proven very poor weapons against these folks.
    I'm thinking the cliffs might have actually provided a decent place to put up a fight, dropping rocks and boulders on climbing giants probably knocked a few off of the cliff. The Giants not used to losing men in their hunt indeed probably were pissed to the point of killing everyone in the castle serving some kind of warning to all in the area who would think of reoccupying it again.
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    Extremely interesting take on existing findings, sites that can be literally visited... I think he's really onto something!

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    What the heck????! Where, exactly ARE these statues?

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    What the heck????! Where, exactly ARE these statues?
    Well, one place they are Foxie is the "Known Hoaxes and Other Bad Information" forum.

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    Old world shaman or medicine people no matter the religion had this well honed skill to form a congregation of followers. One way that we know they did this was by building a very unique and unusual temple and they'd attribute it's spectacular nature to the hand of god or the work of the gods because it is beyond a human ability to do such a thing. They deceived the public in a number of ways with shock and awe and simple gadgets as covered in some videos but the areas they really were good at and secretive about were the workings of stone and polymers and such as this. That is why later on those societies ended up being Masons. Anyway all those Ethiopian sunk in temples and many of the other obelisks and so on were just like others in other parts of the world, built to bring shock and awe to the people to humble and scare them into submission and to states of wanting forgiveness and acceptance.

    I think these statues were the same way in many ways because they brought out the amazed people to stand in wonder even when the veins of iron rusted! It to them was very real, very spiritual even. We know of the tears and how they'd do that with leaking roofs and other tricks even using blood at times. But in Egypt priests took on young initiates also. Little talked about really at the shear mind 'frick' they did to these young innocent otherwise very good god fearing boys usually. It was deceptive plans to make loyal followers and tried and true used over the years. The secret tunnels Andrew Collins discovered under Egypt were used for the purpose of taking these boys selected for their innocence and devout wanting to please natures on a trip of a lifetime. A trip to paradise!

    Paradise consisted of exotic animals, exotic foods, meats, vegetables, fruits, drinks, and most important exotic women never known or seen by any of the locals but the priests! These all brought in in trade in secret by the priests to store in secret passages and rooms for the purpose of creating loyalty through awe!

    The young initiate innocent and wanting to please his mentor gladly partakes of the concoctions prepared by the priest and boy soon goes off into a drug induced slumber passing out only to be carried off to another room by the priests in the know and when he awakes he is convinced through the presence of the priests, all the dancing women and strange animals, food and drink that he completely taken in. Soon after hours in paradise in a drunken drugged stupor he passes out yet again only to awaken in the quarters where it first began.

    Now the priest has his attention. So multiply times a number of initiates and now you have a loyal devout following all believers because they have seen and witnessed the blessings of god to the good and so they preach the religion taught to them by the priests drawing them to the magnificent temples absolutely convinced because they witnessed this. Now of course they make sure to do this only with the young. They grow wanting, yearning, praying for the experience but only the ones graduated to the levels to be in the know among the priesthood knows the truth.

    So all of these incredible statues, temples and so on were built simply as tools to create followers to create $ while at the same time learning what makes people tick, what they fear, what they hate, what they want, steal, lust after and so on. Confession yet another tool like Scientology uses the E-meter to better milk the public congregation of their hard earned $.
    It was the mason secret boys club that built most of that stuff and then many years later when they forgot much of the old they went back through tearing them down to get to the time capsules they knew would be in and under the foundation stones which is how they relearned all that was forgotten from yesteryear.

    I find it interesting that native Americans were indeed hired by people seeking gold veins. They used the Indians because of the science the Indians had about the giants! Depending on how the giant fell you could discern where to dig for gold, silver, turquoise, copper, amethyst, quartz and so on because these were the actual veins and artery systems of the giants as they petrified in the fire storms from the sun. Then the 'gods' would come down and mine out all the ore and valued gems from the petrified giants as the native little men watched from the caves and as they watched they themselves learned where to dig for the very things they wanted.

    So you simply need to know where the big veins and arteries are in the thighs of the giants, and to know where the major heart and heart valve artery system lay according to native lore which only the natives know since they were the ones that passed down the knowledge orally. After time and quarrying out the rock that was the giant the giant and how it lay became more and more difficult to see so the natives were relied up to find many of the valued things miners dug for because it was the natives that for a small fee told them where to dig!

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