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    Default Phil Schneider's FBI Encounter- Declassified 9-18-2018

    Hi all

    My research team hit something fairly significant in the Phil Schneider story. Doing a FOIA request with various goobermint agencies, we got back today a declassified document, dated today, revealing that poor Phil apparently had schizophrenia, a history of inpatient psychiatric admission, amputated his own fingers, and consented to an investigation by the FBI for possessing at least 60 pounds of uranium!



    As I have an article in-press, I am unable to publish the document at this moment, however, I will be providing it to the Avalon library in the future. I will also be releasing more videos on it, once I have the chance to dig into it.

    Take home message-- if you know someone that saw phil schneider speak in person, this new information indicates that they may possibly have been exposed to radioactive materials.
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    Default Re: Phil Schneider's FBI Encounter- Declassified 9-18-2018

    Wow!! Nice find!!

    Dave - Toronto

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    Default Re: Phil Schneider's FBI Encounter- Declassified 9-18-2018

    or were his fingers amputated for him?

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    Joe's Summary: Philip Schneider- Declassified Secrets Revealed

    Published on Sep 18, 2018
    Philip Schneider - Declassified Secrets Revealed. In this video, I reveal breaking news from the US Government just uncovered by myself and my team about Phil Schneider, alleged whistleblower of the Dulce Deep Underground Alien Military Base. This video is part of our underground base deep dig series, here on the Joe from the Carolinas channel. This is Phil Schneider- Declassified. Schneider claimed to be one of only three people who survived the infamous Alien/Human War at Dulce and Los Alamos, where 66 Government Agents and Workers supposedly lost their lives in August of 1979. In fact, the way that Schneider tells the story, it sounds more like he got into a shootout with aliens. Many videos on youtube do not go beyond the alien stories. We do.

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    PHILIP SCHNEIDER - UNDERGROUND ALIEN BASES (FULL VERSION)


    Published on Jul 25, 2011
    Dear Viewers,

    Philip Schneider claimed to be a former US Government Geologist and Engineer, who was involved in producing the underground explosions which were required to facilitate the building of various underground military bases, as well as submarine bases for the United States Government.

    He claimed to be one of only three people who survived the infamous Alien/Human War at Dulce and Los Alamos, where 66 Government Agents and Workers supposedly lost their lives in August of 1979.

    For the last two years of his life he gave lectures about supposed classified information, including UFO's to the media and general public.

    Philip Schneider was found dead in his apartment on January 17, 1996.

    Some people claim that he was murdered.



    Phil Schneider's Last Speech ~ Two Months Before His Assassination ~ Aliens & Underground Bases


    Published on Nov 24, 2013
    Underground Bases, UFO's and Aliens: The Late Phil Schneider, a retired US government geologist, talks about his days building deep underground bases for the government - over 131 in the USA, one mile or more down, the involvement with alien technology, samples of elements up to atomic #140 are shown. The advanced stealth technology involves the use of alien metals.

    This is the last known video made of Phil Schneider while he was still alive. It was made in November 1995. He was found dead less than two months later. He talks about his days building underground bases for the US government and grey aliens.

    Phil Schneider is one of the many UFO researchers that have died over the last few years under mysterious circumstances. Phil died on January 17, 1996, reportedly strangled by a catheter found wrapped around his neck, his death being dismissed by the authorities as suicide.

    Schneider maintained that numerous previous attempts had been made on his life. He had stated publicly he was a marked man and did not expect to live long. "If I ever 'commit suicide'," Schneider told a close friend, "I'll have been murdered."

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    Default Re: Phil Schneider's FBI Encounter- Declassified 9-18-2018

    Just a thought: has Cynthia Drayer, Schneider's former wife, corroborated any of this information? (Or anyone else that was close to him?).

    M

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    Default Re: Phil Schneider's FBI Encounter- Declassified 9-18-2018

    Quote Posted by OopsWrongPlanet? (here)
    Just a thought: has Cynthia Drayer, Schneider's former wife, corroborated any of this information? (Or anyone else that was close to him?).

    M







    A Message from the ex-wife of Philip Schneider

    A Small Introduction

    Intro by Cynthia Drayer

    My name is Cynthia Drayer, I live in Portland, Oregon, and I am the
    ex-wife of Philip Schneider. Philip and I met in 1986, were married in
    Carson City, Nevada, and had a daughter, Marie, in 1987. We were
    divorced in 1990 and lived in separate residences. Philip lived in an

    apartment complex in Wilsonville, Oregon. On 1/17/1996 I received a
    call that Philip was dead in his apartment and apparently had died up

    to a week before his body was discovered. At the time of the removal
    of his body, his cause of death was by a stroke. When I went to the
    funeral home I had feelings of discomfort about his death. I asked to

    view the body, but due to decomposition, the funeral director
    suggested otherwise. I wanted to be sure, in my own mind,. that Philip
    had not died under "unnatural causes". For the last two years of his
    life, Philip had been on the "lecture tour" throughout the United
    States, talking out about government coverups. You name it, he was
    talking about it: Aliens (treaties and abductions), UFO's, the One
    World Government, Black Budgets, Underground Mountain Bases, CIA
    involvement in civilian murders and drugs, Stealth technology, the
    Philadelphia Experiment, Operation Crossroads (Bikini Island A-bomb
    experiments), Dulce Fire Fight, the Oklahoma bombing, the World Trade

    Center bombing, missing children, Gunderson Freight Cars, the opening
    of concentration camps and Marshal Law/UN involvement, man-made
    viruses and earthquakes, etc.etc.

    A day later, I received a call from the Clackamas County Detectives,
    that the funeral director had found "something" around Philip's neck.

    An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner's
    office (in Portland, Oregon) by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that
    Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber cathater hose three
    times around his neck, and half-knotting it in front. There are
    several reasons why I believe that Philip did not commit suicide, but
    was murdered:

    1. There was no suicide note.
    2. Philip always told his friends and relatives, that if he ever
    "committed suicide" you would know that he had been murdered.
    3. From a number of sources, including his taped lectures (video and
    audio), and statements to his friends, and the borrowing of a 9mm
    gun, Philip felt that he and his family were being threatened and
    were in danger because of his lecutres.
    4. All of his lecture materials, alien metals, higher math books,
    photographs of UFO's coming out of the Operation Crossroad
    A-Bomb, notes for his book on the alien agenda, were missing.
    (Everything else in the apartment was still there, including gold
    coins, wallet with hundreds of dollars, jewelry, mineral
    specimens, etc.)
    5. No coroner ever came out to his apartment after his body was
    found (against Oregon Law) - and a police investigation never
    took under consideration that items were missing from his
    apartment - it was considered a suicide, plain and simple
    6. The medical examiner took blood and urine samples at the autopsy

    but REFUSED to analyze them, saying that the county would not
    "waste their money on a suicide". Although I was assured that
    the samples would be kept for 12 months, when I asked for these
    samples to be sent to an independent lab 11 months later they
    were "missing" and presumed "destroyed".
    7. Philip had missing fingers on his left hand, and limited motion
    in his shoulders. I believe that it was physically impossible for
    Philip to have held the rubber hose in his left hand with missing
    fingers and then wrap the hose three times with shoulders that
    had limited motion. In order to end up where his body was, he had
    to sit on the edge of his bed, wrap the hose around his neck,
    slowly and painfully strangle to death, and fallen head first
    into a wheel chair.
    8. Philip was an expert in chemicals and his own medical needs. He
    had multiple pills at hand that could have ended his life quickly
    and painlessly. He also had a 9mm gun that he had borrowed to
    protect himself. Why strangle himself in such an unusual manner?

    9. Philip was very religious, and did not believe in suicide. He had
    intense chronic pain all of the time I knew him. At the time of
    his death, he was on disability, had a housekeeper, and had
    cancer. The operation to help him with his back pain did not
    alleviate the pain and he had brittle bone syndrome
    (osteoperosis). He struggled every day, not to die, but to live.

    He felt that these lectures he gave was making a difference, and
    was looking forward to giving more. In fact he was scheduled for
    another lecture tour that started 1/16/96 in Tampa, Florida. He
    had just found a friend who was going to help him write a book
    about the New World Order, and he was enjoying his time with his
    daughter.

    10. Philip was undergoing "injections" of "Beta Serone" every week in
    an experiment to stop his multiple sclerosis. After his death I
    contacted the only agency that conducted these experiments to
    obtain his medical record (OHSU). They had never heard of him,
    and he was not a part of their experiments. This would suggest
    people unknown were injecting him on a weekly basis with an
    unknown substance. He often times called me after these "shots"
    to tell me that he was too sick for his daughter to come and
    visit. I believe that the shots that Philip thought were being
    given to him to help him back to health, were actually being
    given to him to make him sick.
    11. Philip was seen with an "unknown blonde haired woman" for several
    months before his death. Several times this same individual was
    seen or talked about and her mysterious presence only leads one
    to wonder if she had anything to do with his "suicide".
    12. Several people with psychic abilities have indicated that Philip
    did not commit suicide, but was murdered (some say by 5 people: 4
    men and 1 woman, 4 directly and one by taking out a "contract".

    It is perhaps important to know WHY Philip began lecturing.
    Firstly: His background was as a Structural Engineer. He was an expert
    on explosives and their effects on geologic structures. He worked
    under two social security numbers. Most of his early work in
    underground mountain bases with Morrison-Knudsen was done using the
    wrong social security number. I was later able to prove that he had
    two numbers through the social security office when I applied for his
    daughter's death benefits. He worked for the Army Corps of Engineers
    and U.S. Navy with the same wrong number. Only after he obtained SSI
    in 1981 did his "real" number come into play. He always told me that
    he had a Rhyolitic Clearance and that his father had a Cosmic
    Clearance from his work with NATO. And that is the second reason why
    Philip began lecturing.

    Secondly: On top of his first hand knowledge about underground
    mountain bases and government black budgets, and the alien agend as (he
    was one of the survivors of the Dulce Fire Fight with aliens in New
    Mexico) his father was also involved in government black projects.
    When Philip's father, Captain Oscar Schneider, Medical Doctor, United

    States Navy, died in 1993, Philip discovered documents and photographs
    in his father's basement which proved that Oscar had been involved in
    both the Philadelphia Experiment and Operation Crossroads. Philip now
    had letters written in the 1940's and 1950's showing that Oscar helped
    to isolate the crewmembers of the Philadelphia Experiment and that
    Oscar later autopsied them as they died. He also had photographs of
    UFO's fleeing through mushroom clouds after the A-bomb was dropped
    above the lagoon at Bikini Atoll. This was "Operation Crossroads" and

    Oscar was involved in medical examinations of the animals and humans
    exposed to radiation after the bomb was dropped.

    Thirdly: I believe the main reason why Philip began to lecture was due
    to the "murder" of his friend Ron Rummel. Ron was found in a park in
    Portland in Sept. 1993. The police believed that he had committed
    suicide by shooting himself in the mouth. However, if you read the
    detectives report, there is blow-back blood on Ron's hand, but NO
    BLOW-BACK BLOOD ON THE GUN. The only way this could happen is if Ron
    had wiped the gun off AFTER he had shot himself in the mouth. Ron,
    Philip, and 5 other people had been collaborating on a little magazine
    called "The Alien Digest". It was starting to get a fairly wide
    circulation, when Ron was found in the park. Philip felt that his
    friend had been murdered, and decided that it was time to get
    everything out into the open, so he began "spilling the beans", and
    ripped up his security clearance card.

    Pufori, through Jeroen Wierda, is one of several agencies and
    individuals that have taken up the call for justice in Philip's death.

    My hopes are:

    1. That Philip's death certificate will eventually be amended with
    the true cause of his death: murder.
    2. That the world will come to know the truth about aliens, UFO's,
    the government cover-ups, black budgets, etc. and how they are
    affecting us.
    3. That assets that belong to his only heir, Marie, can be located
    and turned over to her.
    4. That Philip's true work quarters can be proven by people coming
    forward with information about knowing him before 1981, and that
    his daughter can eventually obtain the death benefits she
    deserves.
    5. That no more "murders by suicide" ever occur to another
    individual.

    Please look over the information contained in this website. The "truth
    is out there" and it is here.

    Sincerely, Cynthia Schneider Drayer
    ================================================== =========================
    APFN NOTE: I MEET WITH PHIL AT THE GLOBAL SIC. MEETING IN DENVER.
    WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY... I WILL DETAIL THESE TALKS IN THE NEAR FUTURE...
    We were to meet again, on Friday, of the week Phil got whacked.
    Phil had much info on the shadow government.

    Phil may be gone, but he is not forgotten!

    Kenneth L. Vardon... apfn@apfn.org
    http://www.apfn.org

    Philip Schneider Investgation update 09/18/98 (APFN)
    http://web.archive.org/web/20041014055538/http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildhist.htm

    "................no conspiracy can survive eXpose'.............."

    We should some how bring all this info together by working with these other
    web sites... tie all this info with a page about current message about this
    info... etc... whatever... just wanted to put all this in one message right
    now... after your review please let me know what you think. - apfn@apfn.org
    http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildhist.htm

    Additional web info on Phil Schneider
    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/phil.htm
    http://web.archive.org/web/20011214041237/http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8623/schneider.html
    http://web.archive.org/web/20010814053618/http://www.eagle-net.org/dulce/Y92SNIDR.html
    http://www.zianet.com/wblase/endtimes/schneid.htm
    http://web.archive.org/web/19990203182451/http://www.ufomind.com/people/s/schneider/


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    The Phillip Schneider Investigation
    Saturday, 27-May-2000 15:22:29

    Mr. Philip Schneider wasa very couragous man. Even being ill and in pain,
    He wanted us to know what was happening in our country. I can only hope that
    those who listened to him became aware of our corrupted government. People
    can't change anything if they don't have information. I believe his wife is
    truly a brave woman. She is doing her best to clear his name. She also is in
    danger. I hope getting this information out will help everyone connected with
    Mr. Schneider.

    dolores crinniom

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    The following information is from an article on LinkedIn, published in 2015, ďPhil Schneider is a total fraudĒ. I made a mental note of it when I first read it, but nothing more, but in light of Joeís discovery it has more weight.

    Quote Phil said ďI got shot in the chest with one of the aliensí weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of thatĒ.
    Quote HERE IS A VERY INTERESTING COMMENT FROM HIS ONE-TIME ROOMMATE:

    From G. Clinton:

    What I know about Phil Schneider:

    (QUOTE)

    ďThis morning in the state of boredom I decided to look up and see if I can find anything about people I used to know on Google.

    Imagine my surprise to find that there was a cult of Phil Schneider who I knew very well in 1977 though 1980.

    I moved to Portland, Oregon in 1977 unemployed and very short on funds. I moved into a very cheap rooming house

    Shortly after I moved in Phil Schneider moved in. It didnít take me very long at all to realize that he was a liar. And I thought he was mentally ill.

    His missing fingers:

    He told me that he had lost them when he was working in eastern Oregon as a lineman when he had some sort of mishap on a pole (frankly I no longer recall the details; it has been nearly 40 years).

    His chest wound:

    I took him to the hospital.

    One day as I was talking to other roomers in the common room, Phil came down the stairs with blood on his shirt saying heíd been shot. A story he quickly changed to somehow being inflicted by a passing car having losing a snow stud which struck him in the chest causing the wounds. No one present believed him, of course, but it was certainly not the time for discussions of his credibility. I took him to the hospital.

    After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil. I said,Ēnot really.Ē The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so. I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

    At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, Ē you suspect itís self-inflicted?Ē The doctor said, yes.

    I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

    I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was. Unfortunately I just donít. But there should be records.

    This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

    There is more I could talk about. But none of it would be particularly germaine.

    By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others (I should note here that Iím completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)

    Now I know that no one has any particular reason to give my testimony any credibility.

    But, there it is. I hope that this may help slightly for some people to be suspicious of anything he said. I certainly was and am.

    Phil Schneider was not a horrible person. He was certainly at some level delusional. He was for a short time a very flawed friend of mine.Ē

    UNQUOTE
    See the link at the beginning of this post for additional information (incl. Drayer).
    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

    You mustn't be afraid to dream a little BIGGER, darling.

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    The David and Corey show



    David
    Really? Letís go now to Phil Schneider, who is a whistleblower who came out about, as you said, Deep Underground Military Bases, or D.U.M.B.s and at the time, Schneider was widely ridiculed by most of the UFO community, but shortly after he came out, he died.
    And since then, a lot of the things that others are saying seem to be validating Phil Schneiderís testimony.


    Corey
    Yeah. There are underground bases and facilities all over the place Ė in cities all around us.

    I mean, there are people that walk into buildings that take elevators that are service elevators that the rest of the public donít know about.

    They go down several more floors than anyone that work in the building know about, get on an underground train system, and are shuttled to anywhere in the world in a matter of an hour or two, to where they can work in these underground bunkers and facilities.

    And theyíre absolutely spread out all over the place.

    David
    Well, letís take a look now at this map that Phil Schneider hand drew over America that shows a series of round circles where bases are, and then a series of lines between them that ostensibly represent tunnel systems.



    Corey
    Thatís extremely incomplete.

    David
    You say thatís extremely incomplete?

    Corey
    Oh, yeah.

    David
    Okay. Why would you say itís incomplete?

    Corey
    Because the underground tram system goes under the ocean.

    It goes to Australia. It goes to Europe. It goes to Asia. The tram system travels all over.

    And there are undersea bases.

    There are bases that are underwater, on the surface of the ocean floor, and there are also subterranean bases below the ocean floor.

    David
    Well, some people might have trouble with that because normally just getting a submarine down there, like a bathyscaphe, or one of these things that they would use to try to film the ocean floor, the pressures become extremely great as you go farther and farther down, from all the water thatís there.

    So based on your understanding, how have they surmounted these problems to make these undersea bases?

    Corey
    The type of base that Iím going to tell you about right now, youíre not going to really find in the Mariana Trench, not built by us, anyway.

    But I had an engineer describe to me how they built a certain base with domes that were lowered into the water, positioned by the Navy, and then an underwater concrete was applied.


    Corey expands more on Phil's story by telling more whoppers with cheese; https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/und...ic-disclosure/



    Great work Joe unfortunately schizophrenia doesn't go away once you get it and must be treated the rest of one's life. I feel sorry for Phil and his family. If Phil Schneider were alive today he would have been on Gaia with David and then on the Jimmy Church show 7 times
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    In the interests of attempting to stay in the middle of Joe's Belief----Skepticism bridge,
    I think the topic begs the question:

    Is it possible that just because a document is released by the FBI it may not automatically be verified fact?

    This question asked with reference to various characters currently under fire from varying govt. departments
    for questionable activities and/or concealments.

    Like many, I've kinda taken Schneider's story at face value till now and this news will certainly draw attention away from
    other current topics eg. FISA DECLAS

    Seems to me the deep state pulling a stunt like this would not be totally implausible albeit perhaps improbable.
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    Not that I am defending Phil Schneider but is it not normal practice of the Cabal (psychopaths with money) to have someone who says or does something they donít like to associate them with a lunatic asylum so as to discredit them.

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    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    Not that I am defending Phil Schneider but is it not normal practice of the Cabal (psychopaths with money) to have someone who says or does something they donít like to associate them with a lunatic asylum so as to discredit them.
    Yes, the whole system is set up like this. If you haven't been locked up you are seen as more credible. If you have degrees you are seen as more credible.

    Locking someone up or claiming they have a mental disability is a classic ploy by the powers that be to discredit someone.

    After I went through my experience, and I was locked up by my family for six days, I went to see a psychiatrist. I told him nothing about my experience, having learned to keep my mouth shut if I didn't want to get locked up for longer. l

    So, the two main criteria he used to determine if I was "different" was that I didn't like to go shopping or go to malls and that I didn't necessarily take a shower every single day. In other words, if you don't do what the rest of society does and you don't like what the rest of society does, then there is something wrong with you.

    It's a sick system.
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    Valerie Villars Ė I agree with your post 12.

    When I talk to people (friends, family, strangers) and bring up this woo woo stuff they think you are strange. I often find the more educated a person is and the more they are seen as a so called pillar of society the more blind they are to the facts Ė the penny just wonít drop. Who wants to be a normal compliant fool stuck in the matrix.

    For me Phil Schneider appeared to believe what he was saying, although I accept he could easily be the subject of mind control.
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    Thanks Yelik. I get a little testy because I had never had a day of mental illness in my life, but as soon as you stop seeing the shadows on the cave walls and start seeing reality, the system is cleverly designed to make those people appear crazy and everyone goes along.

    I haven't seen Joe's video yet, and I love Joe's work, but couldn't Phil have been telling the truth about some things even if he was schizophrenic? Or perhaps he knew things some of us don't because he was schizophrenic. I just go crazy when we start slapping psychological labels on people in order to discount them. The labels are concocted by a rigged system. The rigged system made the labels and we go along with their assessments of mental health? It just seems really messed up to me and for that, I got labeled.

    It's not about me. It's about the understanding I now have of how quickly people get labeled and discounted by an insane society. Some people have seen the naked emperor but the ones who are playing along with him being clothed are pointing the fingers saying the others are crazy.

    They say people are delusional by whose measure? Who decided what was normal and okay? Why? I mean I have to ask those questions. By whose authority? And what a double standard. It's okay for mystics to have experiences and they are "close to God" but when a normal joe has them, they are labeled insane.

    Once again I have to ask, by whose authority and why? I was experiencing extraordinary things. How does that make a person crazy? We really need to be very careful before we start pointing fingers and calling people crazy. There's something really, really wrong about that.

    Just because people break sometimes, doesn't mean they are broken or shouldn't be listened to.
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    I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?
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    I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?
    This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

    After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions
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    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?
    This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

    After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions
    Thanks. My point exactly.
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    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?
    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

    After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions
    If you can believe the information from the article below, the year was around 1977, 78, 79 or 1980 at the latest. Philip Schneider was born on April 23, 1947, so he would have been between 30-33.


    "After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil.† I said,Ēnot really.Ē† The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so.† I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

    At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, Ē you suspect itís self-inflicted?Ē† The doctor said, yes.

    I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

    I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was.† Unfortunately I just donít.† But there should be records. This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

    There is more I could talk about. †But none of it would be particularly germaine.

    By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others†† (I should note here that Iím completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)..."
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?
    This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

    After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions
    Joe's video states from the FBI document that he was hospitalized between July 1968 to Jan 1969. He was born on 23 April 1947, and died on 17 January 1996. So he was first in hospital when he was aged 21.

    This page gives a lot of detail that seems to substantiate that he was mentally ill. (Note: there's an error there about his date of birth. It says: "he would have been 17 years old when he went to work for the government. Phil stated that he worked in Dulce in 1979." But he was born in 1947, so that math is actually incorrect.)
    RunningDeer is correct in her quote from the same article. It seems he was in hospital twice. The date of the FBI report precedes his second hospitalization, which explains the apparent discrepancy.
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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    I have a pertinent question. At what age did Phil become schizophrenic? Or how old was he when he had this "episode"?
    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    This is truly an excellent question since the onset of schizophrenia is usually before or around the 25 years old mark.

    After 30, it is usually due to chemical poisoning, drugs ingestion, etc, and it does not provoke long term schizophrenia, with few exceptions
    If you can believe the information from the article below, the year was around 1977, 78, 79 or 1980 at the latest. Philip Schneider was born on April 23, 1947, so he would have been between 30-33.


    "After a short time one of the ER doctors came up to me and asked if I had any influence with Phil.† I said,Ēnot really.Ē† The doctor said that they would like to keep him for a psych evaluation but had no grounds to do so.† I was asked to try to convince Phil to voluntarily submit.

    At this point and having my own suspicions I said to the doctor, Ē you suspect itís self-inflicted?Ē† The doctor said, yes.

    I did talk to Phil a little bit, of course he refused.

    I wish I could remember which hospital in Portland it was.† Unfortunately I just donít.† But there should be records. This happened in possibly late 77 more likely 78 perhaps even early 79.

    There is more I could talk about. †But none of it would be particularly germaine.

    By the time I parted company with Phil, entirely, probably sometime in 1980, I was of the very solid opinion that Phil was disturbed and probably a danger to himself but not others†† (I should note here that Iím completely unqualified in any clinical sense to say these things.)..."
    Well, the onset may have been between 25-30 years old at the latest, which makes it possible schizophrenia. It cannot be ruled out Thanks Paula..

    And thanks Bill for the 21 years old possible onset following FBI documents.
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