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    Some heroes are the real deal. Occasionally, there are real humans who do remarkable things on behalf of others, and sometimes on behalf of us all. Some are barely known to history. Like Vasili Arkhipov, the Russian submarine commander who in 1962 very probably single-handedly averted World War III.

    But when heroes are in short supply, we tend to manufacture them to meet our own emotional needs.

    Heroes provide magical answers to problems we badly want to go away. And of course, like Captain America or Wonder Woman, they do all the hard work for us.

    Meanwhile, we look on with our popcorn and excitedly root for them: passively — because we’re in our armchairs, doing nothing at all — but also anxiously. It’s all entertainment, but like watching a major sports event (we create our heroes there, too), we invest ourselves passionately in the champions’ success.

    And as they battle to save the Marvel Universe, which for moments in the movie we find ourselves believing is ours, we’re always hoping they’ll win through. We desperately want these figures to be what we cannot possibly be ourselves.

    The most recent Avengers movie, in which a handful of the fictional heroes actually died, evoked grief-stricken reactions from the moviegoing world. Heroes are meant to be immortal, but the practical Hollywood problem is that the actors aren’t. Like our hero sportspeople, they get older every year. We have to replace them in our minds.

    Marvel superheroes don’t really exist, of course, but in the alternative community we regularly elevate flawed mortals to that impossible, exalted position. There are many, many examples, but to minimize the risk of upsetting readers here I’d cite a couple that most might agree with: Corey Goode, and Ben Fulford — and via Fulford, the ‘White Dragon Society’ that never did take any of the promised punitive action against the globalists, and may not even exist.

    And then there’s the ‘Galactic Federation of Light’, and a bunch of other non-human groups that true believers always hope will step in to save the world, as if they were from Superman’s Planet Krypton.

    The common factors are blind hope; and belief that borders on blind faith.

    What happens when heroes fall, or are taken away from us, is upsetting and even traumatic for some. Just yesterday, we’ve heard about a FOIA-accessed FBI document that tells a different story about Phil Schneider than the one we want to believe.

    One response is cognitive dissonance. “OMG! No! How can this be true?!” Another is to transfer our belief in the hero to the belief that the FBI documents must be falsified, or that the person posting about them is an agent of the Dark Side. Ah yes, the revealed info is all planted or faked. That neatly solves our inner problem, a palliative against our sense of anguish and betrayal.

    I’m not taking a position here about Schneider (or the FBI): this isn’t the purpose of what I’m saying. I'm just pointing out what happens when we get to be disappointed, or are simply faced with contrary information that threatens to undermine our dreams.

    So-called ‘research’ in the alt media is rarely real research. It’s more like we’re always scavenging and searching, the prime motive for our social media dragnet being to help us defend our personal hopes and beliefs.

    How many of us really closely and dispassionately examine contradictory views to check whether there may be any substance to them? I’ll leave that question for readers to answer for themselves.

    People search for stuff, busily copy-and-paste, and forward posts daily (or hourly!) on Twitter and Facebook. They want to think they’re spreading the truth, but are most often, like religious advocates, spreading belief.

    The problem is that the alternative community is collectively very ill-equipped for actually finding things out for real. Like a giant virtual reality game, the internet becomes more ‘real’ than the physical world. We live out our hopes and dreams there, like a giant 3D movie, all with our Google Glass goggles on.

    The world is a tough place. Truths are hard to face. Like those believing in ‘Ascension’ (another wished-and-hoped-for, magical, instant, save-us-all-overnight meme, but this time not a human figure), we’re so very often disappointed. We’re all addicted to hope; another fix will make us feel better again.

    We’ve simply grown rather lazy in the alt media world. We rarely do any research truly worthy of the name. We seldom carefully fact-check, or call up real people and ask them hard questions. We sit at home instead, swaddled in the captive audience of social media, fueled by our dopamine hits, triumphant when we think we’ve defeated someone who has a counter position. Is this what the world is?

    What I'm writing here isn’t a cynical view. But it’s a realistic, grounded one. I’ve been on this journey myself: I thought Pete Peterson was a kind of hero figure. But wowed by his presentation, I never fact-checked a thing. (David Wilcock still hasn’t, to this day.) Years later, as does tend to happen, the truth appeared, and I was obliged to change my view.

    Kerry Cassidy and I flew all the way to Tokyo, back in 2008, to be the first to interview Ben Fulford in person. Now, I’d not invest in the cost of a phone call.

    The real question, I think, is one of intellectual honesty. Some heroes ARE for real. Some of them, who suffered for their courage, are listed here: http://projectcamelot.org/tribute.html. (Yes, Phil Schneider is in there, too. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time.)

    It’s a matter of balance. And always checking, and re-checking, what you assume to be real or truthful. For those who describe their journey as having ‘woken up’ sometime in the last several years (or decades), it’s not just a one-off Road-to-Damascus conversion. Or one ‘red pill’ that you need to take.

    It’s a continuous process, one of continual refinement and readjustment, and you may have to take the pills regularly. Courage is needed: red pills are often hard to swallow.

    And if you find a real hero…. then support them all you possibly can. But before you go sending $10,000 to your most newly exalted champion… make absolutely sure they’re real. You may not get your money back. Or — in the end — your money’s worth.
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    Default Re: Our Need for Heroes

    The only heroes in my life just now, are all of you guys
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    "When they made this particular hero, they didn't give him a gun. They gave him a screwdriver to fix things. They didn't give him a tank or a warship or and X-wing fighter. They gave him a call box from which you can call for help. And they didn't give him a superpower or pointy ears or a heat ray. They gave him an extra heart. They gave him two hearts. And that's an extraordinary thing. There will never come a time when we don't need a hero like the Doctor."

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    I was thinking of heroes earlier today,those heroes who keep us safe at night,those that walk in dark places and do dark deeds so we don't have.
    Are they still heroes once they have done dark deeds in our name to keep us safe?.

    Quote from a few good men film;
    Lieutenant J.G. Daniel Kaffe: You cant handle the truth! Son we live in a world that has walls, and those have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it you, you lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury, you have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago's death while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence while grotesque and incomprehensible, to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you talk about parties; you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall! We use words like honor, code, loyalty, We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something, you use them as a punch line. I have neither the time,or the inclination, to explain myself to a man, who rises and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner, in which I provide it. I'd rather you just say 'thank you' and go on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn, what you think you are entitled to.

    Do we create these men with are unwillingness to look further than are own needs

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    Bill I thank you for your thread.

    I wish you would do another youtube interview with either Dolan or Dark Journalist on your opinion of the current and future state of UFO world. Not about any personality per se, but direction

    You shine with your eloquence, history, patience, honesty and knowledge of the field in previous interviews and your voice is much needed these days and youtube is what is going on right now vs blogs or forum to get the word out. Though they still have their place.

    As many that served in combat will say the real heroes are buried on the shores of Omaha beach not in comix books.

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    If we take a look at former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov's subversion chart, one of the ways of destabilising and demoralising a society is through that of false heroes: (Only 25% of the KGB budget was spent on espionage - the rest went towards subversion)

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    Richard D Hall does an excellent presentation that identifies fake heroes between 32:50 and 59:30, based on a survey of Richplanet viewers.



    This list of false role models (for which Hall provides logical and persuasive reasons for their inclusion) include:

    Brian Cox (notice his painful inability to give any substantial answers to his Australian interviewer)

    Russell Brand
    David Beckham
    Stephen Fry
    Jeremy Kyle
    Bob Geldof

    .. and others...
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    One of my problems is time. Obviously, to factually check every aspect of every topic is impossible. So, I tend to find people who I trust (often false heroes), then assume that the time they were able to put into a particular topic is enough for me to either feed my "truth" or dismiss it. But slowly, over time, I've come to realize that the only thing that can be considered truth is that which is experienced directly - which in my case, is damn little. All other is belief based on someone else's word. Intuition seems to be more accurate in steering a clear path, although I think even that can be skewed by base beliefs, or maybe those things I ascribe to intuition are not really intuition, but rather base beliefs obscuring intuition. As a result, this idea of discernment gets cloudier by the second.

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    This hero worship makes us elevate people to be better than human, or at the very least 'best human ever'. Then we're disappointed when they are human, and worse still a reminder of what human actually is.

    Celebrity works I guess because of hero worship. Before the Rolf Harris scandal in the UK I knew the truth but people just couldn't believe it when I told them. He was a childhood TV guy from our childhood, and it hurt to face the truth.

    I'm sure there's a lesson there in how or how not to smash happy childhood memories, but I had not learnt it then, but the truth still got out after Jimmy Savile died. Another monster that hid in Celebrity, exploiting the human weakness of hero worshipping.

    Or as previous posters said: false hero worship is the problem. But still, sad to say: the innate human hero worship is disproportionately more prevalent than there are heroes!

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    ..."continuous process"...I do believe that encapsulates those of us who are 'seekers' here on Avalon.

    Each of us knows that not one person has "all the answers"....if we think we have "arrived", we are sadly mistaken. We are each on our own personal journey, learning as we go!

    Personally, I am thankful for having been "led" to Avalon where one CAN explore for one's own answers.

    True "heroes" are those like the Dutchman, Ronald Bernard, who have come through the muck & lived to tell about it, going on to make very positive changes in the world around them. That's all any of us can do; have an effect on our sphere of influence, however small that may be!

    Of course, our own Bill Ryan is a good example of one who has given his life to being available to help others along in their search. I think of all those whose time & effort go into even making Avalon available to the rest of us! They ALL deserve our gratitude; even though we do not even know their names!

    After a wasted lifetime in a Belief System, I have found it is better never to be a "follower". There is no one who is going to "save us"!
    We have to save ourselves...a few years ago I wouldn't have even known what that meant!!

    So...please.... don't forget to contribute, even a little bit, to the Forum 'Bank' whenever possible! We have to do what we can to keep this train on the track!!

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    No one is a hero for long, or conversely some are yet to pick up the cape. Heroes are human too, they are just like me and you. Why would I put them on a pedestal? Still, I might admire them, consider them an ally, maybe even grant them vaulted status. If I did chance upon a bona fide hero I would be hands-off about it. That would be the biggest form of respect I could give them - to leave them be and at peace and love them from afar, anonymously.

    U-Tubes are used way too flamboyantly, and I have often been tricked into thinking maybe this is the poster's vid. Instead I have often been let down. It is almost as if folks have forgotten how to express their own opinions in their own words. Instead, it seems the new way to express yourself is to post someone else's expression. I would rather read a synopsis of a video in the op's own words than see the video to find out what it is about. Often the synopsis is enough...

    Bill, that was a great post, thanks so much. So many pertinent points, it is hard to pick out a few to comment on.

    It seems that many people live their lives or their fantasy lives vicariously through heroes. I particularly like underdogs who overcome adversity and rise to the occasion to save the day - who afterwards downplay their roles and often just say they were at the right place at the right time. And their favorite line is, 'You would have done the same thing had you been there.'

    Maybe that is why we like heroes, because they have done what we secretly wish we could do.
    Forget about it

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    It’s not only our need for heroes, but why do we need our heroes to be perfect?

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    Staying balanced and non objective in an ignorant narcissistic selfish reality is heroic

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    At the present time, after admiring and believing so many people that ended up not worth it, I remain with only one potential heroe whose values and ethic I can trust, whom I can be pretty sure will not disappoint me, whom has proven herself: namely Myself lol, the sad thing is that I am not kidding.

    And I do thing it is the best attitude to have - deep knowledge of oneself and appreciation for the human we are, for the actions we did and the decisions we made.

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    Bill / This is very well written. My Art project, as you know asks these questions as well. I don't vet or verify, but rather take a number of well know names and players, and submit them to an audience in the hopes of igniting their own inquiry

    We all do need to be careful with our language, terminology, to know the difference between fact, faith , hear say and belief.
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    Heroes and hero worship are hardwired into our DNA. This phenomenon has been with us since Gilgamesh in print and much early in oral tradition.
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    As Flash says, the belief in Self is the one thing no one outside Self can do for YOU. Only You can give the inner Self the Love/info required to bring about change.

    And that You is the hero, and everyone has the ability to find their own inner hero.

    Therefore it's no surprise that we have been 'conditioned' to look externally for the answers, whether it be the latest whistle blower, ET salvation from the skies or angels from up on high.

    Every single person has an inner 'sat nav' to point them on the 'right path' but the extreme measures put in place in every facet of society to send false programming to your 'sat nav', and send the majority down the road of looking for the answer externally - and when you look upon the outer vista that our current planet is experiencing, the potholes are multiplying at a phenomenal rate and it's no wonder a feeling of despondency permeates - which in turn adds more potholes! And do you think that this 'vicious circle of potholes' is a natural/organic flow of energies, or is it a very cleverly designed wheel of deceit to make you create your own potholes?

    Meditate on it, it's not rocket science, it's way more interesting!

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    Great thread, Bill. Quite a few gems there but the line that stood out to me was this one:"..but when heroes are in short supply, we tend to manufacture them to meet our emotional needs.."

    The hero is an archetype, an example, a standard...something to strive for. We are seeing now what happens in a society where the heroes are the bloody Kardashians.

    Always look to the self for counsel; don't give away your power. Yes, absolutely...but I'd implore everyone: don't be afraid to have heroes! I'd say, let your hero be the standard that you wish to reach for yourself. Instead of passively watching your heroes, try to join them in their heroism.

    On a smaller scale, we can all be heroes for someone(s). That's why it's so important to take personal responsibility for oneself to reach one's highest potential - It's not just for you!...It's for the people that you're going to inspire by doing just that. And every time you fail to meet that standard for yourself, you potentially stall the growth of someone who might have looked up to you.

    I think a society can be judged by it's heroes, or lack thereof. It's a real indicator of where things are at.

    I like my heroes to have flaws. It's makes them even more heroic in my eyes! Muhammad Ali, John Lennon..these guys were very flawed in some ways. The writer Charles Bukowski is another hero of mine. Bill you're a hero for creating this forum!

    Jordan Peterson(another hero) on heroes and the origin of the hero:

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    My hero was the late Tony Benn MP.
    Flawed certainly and a brilliant mind.
    He was one of the few who spoke out for peace in Iraq before the war, and never wavered when attacked from all sides.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Just yesterday, we’ve heard about a FOIA-accessed FBI document that tells a different story about Phil Schneider than the one we want to believe.

    One response is cognitive dissonance. “OMG! No! How can this be true?!” Another is to transfer our belief in the hero to the belief that the FBI documents must be falsified, or that the person posting about them is an agent of the Dark Side.
    A very similar event happened here on the forum some four years ago, when I posted information about Phil Schneider that I found in Dulce Base by Greg Valdez.

    This book is meticulously researched, and quite prophetically Greg Valdez states in the beginning that most of the alternative community will probably not like it. From the information that was gathered by his father, a policeman in Dulce, Greg says that there was a secret human installation. No aliens and no shoot-outs.

    The reason why Greg Valdez thought this would irk alternative "researchers" is that they want to get a sensational story all the time, and in this case this would mean aliens.

    From experience and observation, I agree with there being a trend of sensationalism in the alternative media. It seems that after finding out that some quite gigantic conspiracies are real, there is a sense of greed to go on and find larger and larger conspiracies, as exciting and extravagant as possible. What begins as a sincere quest for truth devolves into thrill-seeking.

    Our work as researchers and as a human race is cut out for us, and much of it is neither exceedingly pretty, nor pleasant, nor exciting — but simply sober and continuous work. The rewards may appear subtle but are no less beautiful or gratifying than any sensational story you could come up with.
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    At the present time, after admiring and believing so many people that ended up not worth it, I remain with only one potential hero whose values and ethic I can trust, whom I can be pretty sure will not disappoint me, whom has proven herself: namely Myself lol, the sad thing is that I am not kidding.
    In my life I was disappointed by myself quite a few times. I had to accept that "this ugly person" was also a part of ME, but I forgave "her". Lesson learned, present earned.
    And I´m not so sure I won´t be disappointed by the "ugly one" again, lol, the sad thing is that I am not kidding.

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    And I do think it is the best attitude to have -deep knowledge of oneself and appreciation for the human we are, for the actions we did and the decisions we made.
    Fully agree, however I think my flaws are human and I have appreciation for flawed heroes as well.

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    I like my heroes to have flaws. It's makes them even more heroic in my eyes!
    I´m on your side, Mike. Jordan Peterson included .

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