Gurdjieff's 4th way

[pueblo]

Posted by 5th (here)
Here's Osho with his million dollar diamond watch talking about the 9 year old Gurdjieff when his father died.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2aT_sSY6swY

Great advice from Gurdjieff's father as relayed by Osho.

Anger must then be a sure sign of 'inner considering'?

[Deux Corbeaux]

Posted by pueblo (here)

Posted by 5th (here)
Here's Osho with his million dollar diamond watch talking about the 9 year old Gurdjieff when his father died.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2aT_sSY6swY

Great advice from Gurdjieff's father as relayed by Osho.

Anger must then be a sure sign of 'inner considering'?

Most of the time it is a waste of energy.

[greybeard]

A Course in Miracles says--"You are never angry for the reason you think you are"
Venting letting of steam very clear and wise expressions.
Whatever is thought of Osho--he knew what he talked about regarding Enlightenment.
You dont have to be a Saint to be enlightened.

Persona is an expression of the body/mind which remains after enlightenment.
Chris

[greybeard]

Mooji recently said
That what took years in a monastery to learn is available here and now.
I tend to believe that the human race has evolved to the point where it is ready to step up to non-duality--
Self Realization awakening--whatever you want to label it.

Think it may be in this video
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1255707

[onawah]

DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES XXXII: PD OUSPENSKY THE FOURTH WAY GURDJIEFF & RECURRENCE
10/27/18

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fafnsCaOpVo

[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by onawah (here)
DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES XXXII...

THE FOURTH WAY GURDJIEFF & RECURRENCE
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Olivia Wingsgirl
QUOTE OF THE NIGHT FROM GURDJIEFF HIMSELF: "Man is a machine, but a very peculiar machine. He is a machine which, in right circumstances, and with right treatment, ... he may find the ways to cease to be a machine."

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Nikola Tesla (a widely respected scientist and major world benefactor), wrote a noteworthy article over a 100 years ago, stating, in parts: “The human being is a self- propelled automaton…” (Writing also: “… Descartes … in the seventeenth century… laid the first foundation to the mechanistic theory of life…”). Could this approach scientifically explore technology and understanding of incarnation? I feel this subject circumvents abuses of mind control or the singularity. (Said by a TI here.)
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Pythagoreans outline the incarnation system, beyond many legacies, providing the best understanding i’ve ever seen, describing the robotic-selves of humans, in contrast to the real self, (but with other terminology). Mystics and magicians have also had their say, but the most comprehensive books, patiently go beyond the whirling physicals and mind blowing emotional robotics, to personally exercise the internal will of the real self.

[greybeard]

The ego wants to be "Somebody"
Who/what does one want to believe?
Jesus "The Father and I are One"
The direct statements of Tim on this forum from that which was, is, experienced on enlightenment and the mystics of today and yesterday.
The mind will take one round and round in complex circles but is there Truth at the end of it?
One self is a fact not an idea or an opinion.
One can verify that nothing exterior is needed to prove I am.

Chris

[Bo Atkinson]

Thanks to Rob, Indeed “one can"

Posted by greybeard (here)
The ego wants to be "Somebody" ...One can verify that nothing exterior is needed to prove I am...

One can graduate through consciousness domains, onward up 'ladders'.

How one gets there requires no egos.

This thread is titled by Gurdjieff’s/Ouspensky's 4th way which also deserves a bit of the scientific perspective and rationale, besides instant-Nirvana (or lift off, reaching inward, where science demands clearer exercise than mystics provide) .

[greybeard]

Posted by wavydome (here)
Thanks to Rob, Indeed “one can"

Posted by greybeard (here)
The ego wants to be "Somebody" ...One can verify that nothing exterior is needed to prove I am...

One can graduate through consciousness domains, onward up 'ladders'.

How one gets there requires no egos.

This thread is titled by Gurdjieff’s/Ouspensky's 4th way which also deserves a bit of the scientific perspective and rationale, besides instant-Nirvana (or lift off, reaching inward, where science demands clearer exercise than mystics provide) .

I dont have a challenge with upward ladders.
Enlightenment may be seen as kindergarten to the advance--however in this realm enlightenment is as far as it gets.
Every mystic that I have read stated that you cant make enlightenment happen-you can become ready to receive it through the spiritual practise--its by Divine grace--not earned.
Also every Self realized, to the best of my knowledge, has said that the ego is a separation device that must be transcended--die to one self.
Enlightenment is not a state but what you in Truth are.
On the death of the ego this is realized.
Countless accounts of this.

Chris

[pueblo]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by wavydome (here)
Thanks to Rob, Indeed “one can"

Posted by greybeard (here)
The ego wants to be "Somebody" ...One can verify that nothing exterior is needed to prove I am...

One can graduate through consciousness domains, onward up 'ladders'.

How one gets there requires no egos.

This thread is titled by Gurdjieff’s/Ouspensky's 4th way which also deserves a bit of the scientific perspective and rationale, besides instant-Nirvana (or lift off, reaching inward, where science demands clearer exercise than mystics provide) .

I dont have a challenge with upward ladders.
Enlightenment may be seen as kindergarten to the advance--however in this realm enlightenment is as far as it gets.
Every mystic that I have read stated that you cant make enlightenment happen-you can become ready to receive it through the spiritual practise--its by Divine grace--not earned.
Also every Self realized, to the best of my knowledge, has said that the ego is a separation device that must be transcended--die to one self.
Enlightenment is not a state but what you in Truth are.
On the death of the ego this is realized.
Countless accounts of this.

Chris

So you wouldn't agree with the idea of having to earn it to learn it? Or does earning it simply mean dying to self/ego?

[greybeard]

pueblo im relaying what I have read and seen on video.
Consciousness--condensed/contracted to seem separate entities.
Now restricted consciousness is expending to know itself--in its fullness.
A much used pointer is water--the ocean becomes the wav--it is still water--the wave subsides into the ocean--at no time was it anything other than water.
The ancients called the process "The outbreath and in breath of God"

We are form --formless--both and neither.
The human mind can not grasp this
The ego is concerned with doing--the Self realized enjoys what unfolds.
The word Namaste means "I greet the God within" there is the acceptance that there is nowhere that God is not,.
We are That.

This is as best as my limited mind can explain--im not claiming to be correct.
Ego want to know more, and that's ok.

Chris

[Bo Atkinson]

Regarding the “Fourth Way”

He is most notable for introducing what some refer to as “The Work,” meaning work on oneself according to Gurdjieff’s principles and instructions, or as he first referred to it,

[Deux Corbeaux]

Posted by onawah (here)
DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES XXXII: PD OUSPENSKY THE FOURTH WAY GURDJIEFF & RECURRENCE
10/27/18

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fafnsCaOpVo

Thanks onawah. This is a great presentation on Ouspensky and Gurdjieff´s Fourth Way, with a interesting Q and A.
Daniel Liszt has great spiritual insight Such a delight to listen to him.

The first 13 minutes are about the SSP TM issue (more for the Corey Goode thread). But surely interesting as well.
The 4th Way presentation starts at about 13 minutes.


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I add a video of Gurdjieff`s music and movements Daniel is talking about.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=740PhEOdx1M

[onawah]

One thing from "the teachings" that has always fascinated me is the precaution to avoid being "food for the Moon". This must have been an intriguing enough concept when it was first widely introduced, but with what we know now about the Moon possibly being an artificial satellite with ET technology within it and ET bases on the far side, etc., and rumors that it is an instrument for gathering "loosh", the quite literal veracity of that mysterious message has certainly been enhanced.

[pueblo]

Posted by onawah (here)
One thing from "the teachings" that has always fascinated me is the precaution to avoid being "food for the Moon". This must have been an intriguing enough concept when it was first widely introduced, but with what we know now about the Moon possibly being an artificial satellite with ET technology within it and ET bases on the far side, etc., and rumors that it is an instrument for gathering "loosh", the quite literal veracity of that mysterious message has certainly been enhanced.

I was gobsmacked when I came across this idea in 'In Search of the Miraculous'. I have read in various places that the Moon has a role in 'recycling' souls. John Lamb Lash, David Icke, Wes Penre and many anecdotal NDEs talk about this idea.

Barbara Marciniak talks about this in Bringers of the Dawn

"Consciousness vibrates, or can be led to vibrate, at certain electromagnetic frequencies. Electromagnetic energies of consciousness can be influenced to vibrate in a certain way to create a source of food. Just as apples can he prepared and eaten in a variety of ways, consciousness can be prepared and ingested in a variety of ways.

Some entities, in the process of their own evolution, began to discover that as they created life and put consciousness into things through modulating the frequencies of forms of consciousness, they could feed themselves; they could keep themselves in charge. They began to Figure out that this is how Prime Creator nourished itself. Prime Creator sends out others to create an electromagnetic frequency of consciousness as a food source for itself.

The new owners of this planet had a different appetite and different preferences than the former owners. They nourished themselves with chaos and fear. These things fed them, stimulated them, and kept them in power. These new owners who came here 300,000 years ago are the magnificent beings spoken of in your Bible, in the Babylonian and Sumerian tablets, and in texts all over the world. They came to Earth and rearranged the native human species. They rearranged your DNA in order to have you broadcast within a certain limited frequency band whose frequency could feed them and keep them in power."

Are the Archons then agents of Luna...constantly provoking us into expressing extreme emotions/vibrations (Loosh) that can be readily absorbed by the Moon?

[greybeard]

Either you believe that there is nothing but consciousness (God) as attested to by the Self realized and that God is love and that you are That ("I am That" by Nasardadatta worth a read)
Or you believe the horror stories.
Anything that promotes fear is not of God.
Bearing in mind that this is Maya --the play of consciousness.
Nothing to fear but fear.

So that is my understanding pueblo

Chris

[Flash]

Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES XXXII: PD OUSPENSKY THE FOURTH WAY GURDJIEFF & RECURRENCE
10/27/18

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fafnsCaOpVo

Thanks onawah. This is a great presentation on Ouspensky and Gurdjieff´s Fourth Way, with a interesting Q and A.
Daniel Listz has great spiritual insight Such a delight to listen to him.

The first 13 minutes are about the SSP TM issue (more for the Corey Goode thread). But surely interesting as well.
The 4th Way presentation starts at about 13 minutes.


***

I add a video of Gurdjieff`s music and movements Daniel is talking about.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=740PhEOdx1M

Interesting video on the Gurdjieff dance and music.

If you notice the shaking: it is todays well know that shaking the whole body has two main functions, one is to undo knots that may occur during strenuous exercise, the other is to get rid of fear, which would be in line with Gudjieff teachings - we are fear loosh and we have to get rid of fear.

If we would shake when we have extreme fear, it would not get stuck in our bodies (to get rid of PTSD for example, as the fear happens).

Much of the other parts of dances seems to be for grounding and some for meditating of course, others for taking in energy. I wish we could talk to the dancer to ask them what is the impact.

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Greybeard, I totally agree with your last post here.

the diagram on the floor is interesting as well.

[pueblo]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Either you believe that there is nothing but consciousness (God) as attested to by the Self realized and that God is love and that you are That ("I am That" by Nasardadatta worth a read)
Or you believe the horror stories.
Anything that promotes fear is not of God.
Bearing in mind that this is Maya --the play of consciousness.
Nothing to fear but fear.

So that is my understanding pueblo

Chris

Thanks for that. I understand (on one level) when you say there is nothing to fear but fear. Fear is a useless emotion, I have always thought that the opposite of love is not hate, but fear.

That being said it does not necessarily follow that there is nothing negative that can cause harm (in a spiritual sense). I can face the lion without fear though I may still get eaten by the lion.

I have always had an innate sense that nothing can really go wrong for us here, that we are playing out a cosmic drama and that the One is all there really is and everything reduces down (or ascends) to this eventually....

So...does it matter if we get eaten by the lion or not? Does it only matter whether or not we fear the lion? or if we do not defeat the lion are we in real spiritual danger?

I hope you can get some sense of what I am getting at, words are so ineffective (in some hands!)

[pueblo]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES XXXII: PD OUSPENSKY THE FOURTH WAY GURDJIEFF & RECURRENCE
10/27/18

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fafnsCaOpVo

Thanks onawah. This is a great presentation on Ouspensky and Gurdjieff´s Fourth Way, with a interesting Q and A.
Daniel Listz has great spiritual insight Such a delight to listen to him.

The first 13 minutes are about the SSP TM issue (more for the Corey Goode thread). But surely interesting as well.
The 4th Way presentation starts at about 13 minutes.


***

I add a video of Gurdjieff`s music and movements Daniel is talking about.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=740PhEOdx1M

Interesting video on the Gurdjieff dance and music.

If you notice the shaking: it is todays well know that shaking the whole body has two main functions, one is to undo knots that may occur during strenuous exercise, the other is to get rid of fear, which would be in line with Gudjieff teachings - we are fear loosh and we have to get rid of fear.

If we would shake when we have extreme fear, it would not get stuck in our bodies (to get rid of PTSD for example, as the fear happens).

Much of the other parts of dances seems to be for grounding and some for meditating of course, others for taking in energy. I wish we could talk to the dancer to ask them what is the impact.

============

Greybeard, I totally agree with your last post here.

the diagram on the floor is interesting as well.

Interesting about fear and shaking...I am off to try a full body shake in the morning sun now, just hope the neighbors curtains aren't twitching..

The diagram on the floor is, I believe, the symbol of the Sarmoun Brotherhood..

[greybeard]

Posted by pueblo (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Either you believe that there is nothing but consciousness (God) as attested to by the Self realized and that God is love and that you are That ("I am That" by Nasardadatta worth a read)
Or you believe the horror stories.
Anything that promotes fear is not of God.
Bearing in mind that this is Maya --the play of consciousness.
Nothing to fear but fear.

So that is my understanding pueblo

Chris

Thanks for that. I understand (on one level) when you say there is nothing to fear but fear. Fear is a useless emotion, I have always thought that the opposite of love is not hate, but fear.

That being said it does not necessarily follow that there is nothing negative that can cause harm (in a spiritual sense). I can face the lion without fear though I may still get eaten by the lion.

I have always had an innate sense that nothing can really go wrong for us here, that we are playing out a cosmic drama and that the One is all there really is and everything reduces down (or ascends) to this eventually....

So...does it matter if we get eaten by the lion or not? Does it only matter whether or not we fear the lion? or if we do not defeat the lion are we in real spiritual danger?

I hope you can get some sense of what I am getting at, words are so ineffective (in some hands!)

Yes its levels of perception pueblo.
Here and now it makes sense to be aware that it is foolish to walk in front of a bus shouting "Nothing can harm me"
In the ultimate sense nothing can harm what you are--you are eternal and changeless.
The body and mind is your transport through this world-it needs taken care of.
The Body/mind eventually dies the in-dweller --thats you, departs--The wave subsides into the ocean but is still very much aware--death of Self is not a possibility.

It amazes me that people talk of the entities out to get, us feed on us, and then say that these entities feed on fear.
Boy they are then through promoting fear are doing a great job of feeding these(non existent) beings.
Imagination is a marvellous thing and can find proof for anything in this cosmic dream.
We are the dreamers and the dreamed.
This is why there is the term "wake up" to spiritually awake is to be enlightened.
Enlightenment is removal of ignorance--the ignorance being that we think we are completely separate from the Divine.
Without the divine energy coursing through our veins there would be no life whatsoever.
Whats to fear?
The lion may get fed that's the way it is here but we continue regardless.
Christ said " Be in this world but not of it--wear the world like a loose garment"
It is all levels of energy--dance-whirling dervish, a good thing to raise "personal" energy

Chris