Re: This might be Trump’s boldest lie yet

[T Smith]

Posted by Daozen (here)
I still don't get why someone would spend hours and hours of their life angrily defending someone online, keeping a constant watch out for people who dislike Trump, and use the same strawman tactics again and again in threads. Some of the Trump defenders here must spend hours a week doing this....?

For why? For what purpose? Whence do they get their motives?

It is somewhat of a compliment that someone should have decided that Avalon is in need of such close attention.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Okay, how about this. I can't speak for the UK, but here in the US this is such a divisive powder keg, people are afraid to even discuss at the dinner table with extended family. In many cases it's brother against brother, husband against wife. People who are sensitive to the underlying political tensions are censoring their ideas and thoughts to avoid the risk of offending (or worse). Marriages of 40 years have ended over this issue. Literally. Life long friendships, terminated. There are some commentators who rightly observe we are on the verge of a civil war here in the US. That may be an overstatement, but you get the gist.

Bottom line, I would say some people would disagree with you and say it isn't a waste of time to try to bridge the divide, to try to persuade friends and loved ones who are drifting further and further away from their world view to at least understand it. In my experience, 9 times out of 10, arguments, or divorces, or the termination of lifelong friendships are more about generated misunderstandings than they are about genuine political differences. For all intents and purposes, we all want the same thing....

Perhaps some people feel conversation and dialog are valuable where such a vicious divide exists and has been sown ? (probably by design by social engineers who are experts at balkanizing populations to manage the masses and serve their agendas).

Just my two cents... (and five minutes)...

Kind Regards,

T Smith

[DNA]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
All you little NPC liberals want to cry foul over the environment and perceived prejudiced over border policy but you guys certainly cheer Obama when he drone bombs the hell out of the third world while invading and causing regime change on multiple fronts.

All very deep state friendly practices.

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Just who are the "little NPC liberals" on Avalon that DNA thinks he is addressing, and what gives him the right to apply such demeaning, belittling terms to other Avalon members?

Try re-reading his post with out taking things personally, certainly there are members on this forum that approximate his description.?(not many)

I think you took this too personally, and I dont even read that statement as particularly directed to Avalon members either...

Dont add words where they are not, viewing things objectively is far more productive

I read DNA's post differently than you do, TargeT.

DNA says "you little NPC liberals [who] want to cry foul over the environment".

The word "you" suggests DNA thinks he is speaking to some such people, meaning some the members and guests of this forum who might be expected to read his post.

The word "liberals" suggests that DNA is speaking to those who might expect to be labeled "liberals" (whether or not they would choose that label themselves.)

The reference to crying "foul over the environment" suggests that again that he is speaking to some of us, such as onawah, who are staunch defenders of the environment.

The words "little NPC" suggest, well more than that, state, derision of such people.

Such explicitly derisive and divisive commentary hinders the discussion here, and is abusive to some good members here.

Whether or not DNA had onawah explicitly in mind as he wrote the above, I have no idea. I don't read minds.

But ... DNA ... you should have known that such commentary was more incendiary than it was illuminating.

Yes, DNA, both "sides" of our "esteemed" leaders (appear to) stand over some very dark deeds. But don't attack any of those posting to this forum, in such a personally demeaning manner, on account of their calling out this, but not that, dark deed of the moment. Well, more generally, don't initiate such attacks on fellow members for much of any reason at all.

I will recommend to the Avalon Moderators that you, DNA, receive a brief "vacation" from posting here, so that you may have an opportunity to consider these concerns. What the moderators will do remains of course to be seen.

I thought NPC liberal was spot on. It is just pointing out the lack of ability in so far as it relates to critical thinking.

These folks are told on facebook or twitter that Trump is ruining the environment so they react as prescribed and repeat mantra "Trump Bad".

Facebook and Twitter with their recent purging of Trump voices and critical thinkers should have been an alarm that was not to be ignored that Trump represents the good guys.

I'm just trying to make it as simple as possible for those folks on our forum who were deprived critical thinking abilities.

You see folks, if a voice is silenced by those who are evil and really in control, then that voice is representing truth.

I want to ask a serious question to the liberals on this forum.

Do you really think the powers that be who are silencing everything from the Right have your best interests at heart?

Do you think the thought police who are controlling who can speak on Youtube, facebook and Twitter really have your best intentions at heart?


Who in history has controlled the media and the narrative to such a degree and turned out to be the good guy?

[Daozen]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Bottom line, I would say some people would disagree with you and say it isn't a waste of time to try to bridge the divide, to try to persuade friends and loved ones who are drifting further and further away from their world view to at least understand it. In my experience, 9 times out of 10, arguments, or divorces, or the termination of lifelong friendships are more about generated misunderstandings than they are about genuine political differences. For all intents and purposes, we all want the same thing....

I understand where you are coming from T, but the majority of the posts in the Trump threads (including this one) do not sound like friends persuading friends. The central argument seems to go "you are a brainwashed MSM viewer if you do not support Trump". That is in no way building bridges... neither in tone nor in content.

Something more collectivized it at work.

[onawah]

Conversation and dialog are always helpful.
Insults and condescension never are. DNA never stops pointing the finger, yet he forgets that those who are viewing this situation objectively see all those four fingers pointing right back at him.
As much as Trump lovers are being censored by MSM, to try to censor those who are trying to have a real conversation is just doing the same thing, and doing the puppet masters bidding; it becomes a Punch and Judy show.
If such repeated, shill like attacks on Avalon members is allowed to continue, I would like to know why DNA is being given so much more latitude than other members.
It matters not whether shill like attacks are directed toward what is perceived as being Left thinking or Right thinking.
There are shills targeting both sides without exception.
Which is the whole strategy of the controllers in a nutshell--divide and conquer. BTW, the reasoning behind Daozen's comment about so much shill-like attacking being directed at Avalon being a compliment is that the controllers must think Avalon is having a lot of influence, and so therefore we have become a target of their sabotage.
I don't know if that is true or not, but it certainly wasn't meant to be an attack on Avalon members.
Whereas DNA's comments obviously are, and fit the description of a shill to a "T". .

Posted by T Smith (here)

Perhaps some people feel conversation and dialog are valuable where such a vicious divide exists and has been sown ? (probably by design by social engineers who are experts at balkanizing populations to manage the masses and serve their agendas).

Just my two cents... (and five minutes)...

Kind Regards,

T Smith

[onawah]

You could start here: http://stopthecrime.net/primewater.html and here: http://www.stopthecrime.net/2014%20water%20cylces.pdf
Deborah Tavares of StoptheCrime.net explains the difference between recycled sewer water and primary water, and why we are being denied the latter. Recycled water is not clean--it contains lots of chemicals including chlorine, fluoride and pharmaceutical drugs which treatment plants do not eliminate.

Similar to the strategy of riddling states with huge fault lines with hundreds of thousands of drilling and fracking and thermal tapping sites, polluting the water and increasing the dangers of catastrophic earthquakes and volcanic eruptions instead of investing in renewable energy and free energy technologies. Keeping the elite's depopulation agenda diverse and difficult to halt because it's being implemented on so many fronts.

Your typical environmentalist is not likely to be aware of this, but anyone who is a conspiracy theorist certainly should be, and puts conspiracy theorists into a much different, and much more knowledgeable category than standard Liberals. Just as being aware of agendas that originate from off-world and are directed at the entire population of planet Earth puts conspiracy theorists into a very different category than a typical Left or Right leaning person in any political discussion. There is a whole other dimension there that cannot be ignored without being very suspicious. It may be that some members of Avalon are not really conspiracy theorists and know nothing about such agendas, but if there are, at least there is hope that they will explore further, because a lot of evidence to that effect has been recorded here. Something the controllers and their shills would no doubt like to distract from.

Posted by Jayke (here)
To the environmentalists, what are the implications of ‘The Water Infrastructure Act 2018’ Trump has recently signed?

On the surface level, this looks like it’s going to be great for American infrastructure and agricultural development, which could bring a huge amount of greenery back to California, for instance. Has anyone had the time to read through this Act to discover if there’s any hidden or duplicitous content? What am I not seeing about this Water Infrastructure deal, because at the moment, it certainly appears to be MAGA by Trump, a man following through on his campaign promises.

[Hervé]

...

My satellite overview from across the pond:

The political emotional panorama within the population of the “States” is, in fact, fairly simple and divides rougly into 4 categories:

1) – the ones who consider the heiress of the Rockefeller/Bush criminal organization the best of all angels some god ever gifted the earth with;

2) – the ones who consider the billionaire opponent to # 1 the bestest of all angels some other god ever gifted humanity with;

3) – the ones who consider that # 2 is the lesser of two evils with respect to # 1 who is the evilest of all and,

4) – the ones constituting the silent majority and who are scratching their heads as to why the other three are at each others’ throats… However, since it is silent it’s never on the news and goes unnoticed by anyone including their own members… sigh.

To that, add the subversives fostered by all of the first 3 categories which, for each, range the whole spread of the grey spectrum from the darkest of black hats to the whitest shade of pale of the white hats… you know, deep state, hidden hands, puppeteers of all walks of life, secret societies, etc… and one gets the whole picture of the “Sanctions wielding USA.”

Of course, # 3 suffers the most in any debates because of being at the receiving end of # 1 and # 2 criticisms and attacks.

[onawah]

Also see this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...87#post1256087

Posted by onawah (here)
You could start here: http://stopthecrime.net/primewater.html and here: http://www.stopthecrime.net/2014%20water%20cylces.pdf
Deborah Tavares of StoptheCrime.net explains the difference between recycled sewer water and primary water, and why we are being denied the latter. Recycled water is not clean--it contains lots of chemicals including chlorine, fluoride and pharmaceutical drugs which treatment plants do not eliminate.

Similar to the strategy of riddling states with huge fault lines with hundreds of thousands of drilling and fracking and thermal tapping sites, polluting the water and increasing the dangers of catastrophic earthquakes and volcanic eruptions instead of investing in renewable energy and free energy technologies. Keeping the elite's depopulation agenda diverse and difficult to halt because it's being implemented on so many fronts.

Your typical environmentalist is not likely to be aware of this, but anyone who is a conspiracy theorist certainly should be, and puts conspiracy theorists into a much different, and much more knowledgeable category than standard Liberals. Just as being aware of agendas that originate from off-world and are directed at the entire population of planet Earth puts conspiracy theorists into a very different category than a typical Left or Right leaning person in any political discussion. There is a whole other dimension there that cannot be ignored without being very suspicious. It may be that some members of Avalon are not really conspiracy theorists and know nothing about such agendas, but if there are, at least there is hope that they will explore further, because a lot of evidence to that effect has been recorded here. Something the controllers and their shills would no doubt like to distract from.

Posted by Jayke (here)
To the environmentalists, what are the implications of ‘The Water Infrastructure Act 2018’ Trump has recently signed?

On the surface level, this looks like it’s going to be great for American infrastructure and agricultural development, which could bring a huge amount of greenery back to California, for instance. Has anyone had the time to read through this Act to discover if there’s any hidden or duplicitous content? What am I not seeing about this Water Infrastructure deal, because at the moment, it certainly appears to be MAGA by Trump, a man following through on his campaign promises.

[onawah]

And there is another category, which is quite small in number, but which deserves to have its' own slot: conspiracy theorists who are aware of what goes on behind the scenes, who understand the Illuminati have agendas the rest of the population cannot or will not acknowledge, and whose perspective therefore is (or should be) detached and removed from the less informed divisive debate, and much more realistic.
And that brings in the element of shills planted by TPTB to distract from the information and perspectives conspiracy theorists put out there for any to see who are willing to remove themselves from the ordinary fray and broaden their minds.

Posted by Hervé (here)
...

My satellite overview from across the pond:

The political emotional panorama within the population of the “States” is, in fact, fairly simple and divides rougly into 4 categories:

1) – the ones who consider the heiress of the Rockefeller/Bush criminal organization the best of all angels some god ever gifted the earth with;

2) – the ones who consider the billionaire opponent to # 1 the bestest of all angels some other god ever gifted humanity with;

3) – the ones who consider that # 2 is the lesser of two evils with respect to # 1 who is the evilest of all and,

4) – the ones constituting the silent majority and who are scratching their heads as to why the other three are at each others’ throats… However, since it is silent it’s never on the news and goes unnoticed by anyone including their own members… sigh.

To that, add the subversives fostered by all of the first 3 categories which, for each, range the whole spread of the grey spectrum from the darkest of black hats to the whitest shade of pale of the white hats… you know, deep state, hidden hands, puppeteers of all walks of life, secret societies, etc… and one gets the whole picture of the “Sanctions wielding USA.”

Of course, # 3 suffers the most in any debates because of being at the receiving end of # 1 and # 2 criticisms and attacks.

[TargeT]

Posted by onawah (here)
And I don't care what the subject is, name calling and belittling of others should not be tolerated.

Posted by onawah (here)
and cowardly besides

Uhmm, ok... so where is the line drawn?

Did you not just belittle, then a few words later say it shouldnt be done?

I'm not seeing anyone with clean hands here, give your energy where ever you will, I suppose.

[Hervé]

Posted by onawah (here)
And there is another category, which is quite small in number...
[...]

From my point of view, these fall under:

To that, add the subversives fostered by all of the first 3 categories

[onawah]

Where did I belittle?

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
And I don't care what the subject is, name calling and belittling of others should not be tolerated.

Posted by onawah (here)
and cowardly besides

Uhmm, ok... so where is the line drawn?

Did you not just belittle, then a few words later say it shouldnt be done?

I'm not seeing anyone with clean hands here, give your energy where ever you will, I suppose.

[TargeT]

Posted by onawah (here)
Where did I belittle?

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
And I don't care what the subject is, name calling and belittling of others should not be tolerated.

Posted by onawah (here)
and cowardly besides

Uhmm, ok... so where is the line drawn?

Did you not just belittle, then a few words later say it shouldnt be done?

I'm not seeing anyone with clean hands here, give your energy where ever you will, I suppose.

You said DNA was cowardly (based on your interpretation of his posting motives)... I consider that belittling

[onawah]

This is the post you are referring to as follows, Target:

Posted by onawah (here)
I disagree. Why would such a remark go in a post on Avalon if it wasn't meant for Avalon members? Your remark, Target, implies that DNA is using Avalon as his platform to berate anyone who might be reading Avalon. If that is the case, I think it's a misuse of the space here, and cowardly besides, since only members could reply to such posts.

So Target, your objection implies that you think that DNA is using Avalon as his platform to berate anyone who might be reading Avalon, anyone who is Left leaning. I did not state that that is what DNA is doing, but I suggested that if so, that it is a cowardly tactic, since that is a misuse of Avalon, and in any case, only members of Avalon have the recourse of answering such berating here. Do you really disagree with that?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TargeT (here)
Did you not just belittle, then a few words later say it shouldnt be done?

The distinction, as I see it, which apparently 2nd amendment (right to "bear arms") supporters more frequently explicitly recognize than 1st amendment (right to free speech) supporters, is that one should not initiate violence, but may be called on to use it to stop further violence.

Still, one should exercise as much restraint as practical, even when properly defending.

I will tactfully avoid endeavoring to apply these general principles to the current situation .

[Hervé]

After due consultation with the mods team, it's been decided to provide DNA with a ticket for a 3-day vacation in the hope this will help him rein in or discharge emotional residues due to sticking to only one side of some coin

[Jayke]

Posted by onawah (here)
You could start here: http://stopthecrime.net/primewater.html and here: http://www.stopthecrime.net/2014%20water%20cylces.pdf
Deborah Tavares of StoptheCrime.net explains the difference between recycled sewer water and primary water, and why we are being denied the latter. Recycled water is not clean--it contains lots of chemicals including chlorine, fluoride and pharmaceutical drugs which treatment plants do not eliminate.

Similar to the strategy of riddling states with huge fault lines with hundreds of thousands of drilling and fracking and thermal tapping sites, polluting the water and increasing the dangers of catastrophic earthquakes and volcanic eruptions instead of investing in renewable energy and free energy technologies. Keeping the elite's depopulation agenda diverse and difficult to halt because it's being implemented on so many fronts.

Your typical environmentalist is not likely to be aware of this, but anyone who is a conspiracy theorist certainly should be, and puts conspiracy theorists into a much different, and much more knowledgeable category than standard Liberals. Just as being aware of agendas that originate from off-world and are directed at the entire population of planet Earth puts conspiracy theorists into a very different category than a typical Left or Right leaning person in any political discussion. There is a whole other dimension there that cannot be ignored without being very suspicious. It may be that some members of Avalon are not really conspiracy theorists and know nothing about such agendas, but if there are, at least there is hope that they will explore further, because a lot of evidence to that effect has been recorded here. Something the controllers and their shills would no doubt like to distract from.

Posted by Jayke (here)
To the environmentalists, what are the implications of ‘The Water Infrastructure Act 2018’ Trump has recently signed?

On the surface level, this looks like it’s going to be great for American infrastructure and agricultural development, which could bring a huge amount of greenery back to California, for instance. Has anyone had the time to read through this Act to discover if there’s any hidden or duplicitous content? What am I not seeing about this Water Infrastructure deal, because at the moment, it certainly appears to be MAGA by Trump, a man following through on his campaign promises.

I’m well aware of the environmentalist scam, Onawah. LaRouchePac did an excellent presentation on the ways the biosphere has been sabotaged by the oligarchs, with their global warming agenda, which is really just a de-population tool that enables slow genocide. LaRouche has been advocating, for decades, the release of fusion reactors, to end all energy shortages (the technology is there, it’s just been held back by the usual suspects).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zJ9bYClCzLU

You’ve helped diagnose the problem, Onawah i.e. the faux-water shortage and engineered drought conditions brought about by certain factions of the deep state. You didn’t address how any of that relates to ‘The Water Infrastructure Act’ though.

By Trumps own declaration, ‘The Water Infrastructure Act’ is billed as the exact solution required to StopTheCrime.

Apparantly, there’s an abundance of water that rolls down from the Californian mountains, but since 1979, all the water has been wasted by channeling it straight out into the ocean to create the illusion of a water shortage. Trump declared that ‘The Water Infrastructure Act’ is going to take that water and allow it to flow where it really belongs, on the land and with the people, supporting agriculture and development.

Whether Trump can bloom the deserts will be a good indicator for discerning if Trump is telling ‘bold lies’ or being genuine. If the Californian sands begin to spring to life with lush greenery, then we know Trump is legit. If it continues to deteriorate, then we’ll know he’s just another deep state, genocidal, puppet. I’m comfortable letting time be the judge of Trumps character. I don’t need anyone’s self-righteousness or anti-Trump indignation telling me what I must or mustn’t believe about a person. (general statement, not directed at you in particular, Onawah)

Have any of the environmentalists read the ‘Save our Seas Act 2018’ Trump signed last week?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7IYru-hA3mM

For a president who’s following the deep states genocidal agenda of environmental destruction, he’s certainly signing a lot of environmentally friendly Acts lately. Cleaning up the ocean and bringing greenery back to the land. It could easily be interpreted that he genuinely is trying to Make America Great Again.

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On a different note, when it comes to personality types, the main conflict which I’ve noticed on this forum, is between those who FEAR versus those who HOPE. Those who FEAR are constantly telling us that we’re being conned or fooled, and that war and death is imminently around the corner.

Whereas those who HOPE, we still see the dangers, but we just don’t fear them anywhere near as much as the fearful group incessantly insist we should. There’s just too many awe-inspiring potentials emerging over the horizon, too many greater possibilities for us to forge and shape into existence, to get sucked into a fearful mindset.

The scaredy cats can keep sounding the alarm as much as they want, but, for me—HOPE is the fuel of heroes—it’s what lights the fire necassary to forge a better future. Only a fool would try and wrestle a persons hope away and replace it with fear, the end result would be hopeless.

We each have far too many resources at our disposal to ever be truly dragged down the hopeless route, imo.

[onawah]

That's good news Jayke, and I was not aware of it, so thanks for sharing.
I hope that the ‘The Water Infrastructure Act’ IS the exact solution required, and that you will keep us updated. It would certainly be a great step forward, and we are going to be needing a lot of those with all the pollutants that are currently fouling our water.
I have hope too, and contrary to the way that attempts have been made to paint me and other members here who are, I think, just trying to be realistic, practical and unemotional, I am not a Leftist, and I am very much in favor of some of the things that Trump is doing (for example, I agree with his immigration policy wholeheartedly).
I just try not to place my hope in doubtful outcomes.
As the old definition of insanity tells us, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
There are lots of reasons to hope and lots of great things being done on the planet by lots of people, though such things don't attract nearly enough attention.
What bothers me is that I see what looks to me like too much investment in things that don't look likely to pan out, and not enough attention to things that are truly inspiring, that are solving problems NOW, and not making compromises because there is always some reason that has been deliberately created to delay real solutions.
The trick is always to get creative enough to get beyond those roadblocks.
There is a certain mentality in mainstream consciousness that sidelines such creative solutions as being too good to be true, and politics usually seems to reflect that same defeatist attitude.
If that changes, the sky is the limit.

Posted by Jayke (here)
You’ve helped diagnose the problem, Onawah i.e. the faux-water shortage and engineered drought conditions brought about by certain factions of the deep state. You didn’t address how any of that relates to ‘The Water Infrastructure Act’ though.

By Trumps own declaration, ‘The Water Infrastructure Act’ is billed as the exact solution required to StopTheCrime.

Apparantly, there’s an abundance of water that rolls down from the Californian mountains, but since 1979, all the water has been wasted by channeling it straight out into the ocean to create the illusion of a water shortage. Trump declared that ‘The Water Infrastructure Act’ is going to take that water and allow it to flow where it really belongs, on the land and with the people, supporting agriculture and development.

Whether Trump can bloom the deserts will be a good indicator for discerning if Trump is telling ‘bold lies’ or being genuine. If the Californian sands begin to spring to life with lush greenery, then we know Trump is legit. If it continues to deteriorate, then we’ll know he’s just another deep state, genocidal, puppet. I’m comfortable letting time be the judge of Trumps character. I don’t need anyone’s self-righteousness or anti-Trump indignation telling me what I must or mustn’t believe about a person. (general statement, not directed at you in particular, Onawah)

Have any of the environmentalists read the ‘Save our Seas Act 2018’ Trump signed last week?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7IYru-hA3mM

For a president who’s following the deep states genocidal agenda of environmental destruction, he’s certainly signing a lot of environmentally friendly Acts lately. Cleaning up the ocean and bringing greenery back to the land. It could easily be interpreted that he genuinely is trying to Make America Great Again.

===========

On a different note, when it comes to personality types, the main conflict which I’ve noticed on this forum, is between those who FEAR versus those who HOPE. Those who FEAR are constantly telling us that we’re being conned or fooled, and that war and death is imminently around the corner.

Whereas those who HOPE, we still see the dangers, but we just don’t fear them anywhere near as much as the fearful group incessantly insist we should. There’s just too many awe-inspiring potentials emerging over the horizon, too many greater possibilities for us to forge and shape into existence, to get sucked into a fearful mindset.

The scaredy cats can keep sounding the alarm as much as they want, but, for me—HOPE is the fuel of heroes—it’s what lights the fire necassary to forge a better future. Only a fool would try and wrestle a persons hope away and replace it with fear, the end result would be hopeless.

We each have far too many resources at our disposal to ever be truly dragged down the hopeless route, imo.

[Jayke]

Posted by onawah (here)
I have hope too, and contrary to the way that attempts have been made to paint me and other members here who are, I think, just trying to be realistic, practical and unemotional, I am not a Leftist, and I am very much in favor of some of the things that Trump is doing (for example, I agree with his immigration policy wholeheartedly).
I just try not to place my hope in doubtful outcomes.

Hope is a fire that’s kindled within, if you try and take hope outside yourself and place it in external situations and people, that’s not hope, that’s faith. Faith is a form of blind hope that leads to hopelessness. They might seem like subtle semantics but they actually have a big impact on a persons health and psyche.

Posted by onawah (here)
As the old definition of insanity tells us, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
There are lots of reasons to hope and lots of great things being done on the planet by lots of people, though such things don't attract nearly enough attention.

I genuinely look forward to the day those mired with their anti-Trump viewpoints begin to lift their gaze over the horizon, and apply their creative energy to building a better future, rather than wasting time trying to tear down people who have already taken steps to materialise that brighter future into fruition.

On that day, maybe the left and right can be united in making not just a greater nation together, but a greater world as well. After another 6 years in office, I trust Trump might even be the president who’s able to achieve that impossible dream, or at least get the ball rolling in the right direction.

[onawah]

I hope you are right, Jayke, but it really sounds like you are placing your hope in "external situations and people", contrary to your own precautionary warnings.
In answer to your quotation about hope, I will add that my mentor, the late Dr. Christopher Hills (a great visionary akin to Leonardo daVinci, the artist who created the image you posted) once said that spiritual naivety is the greatest danger facing humankind.
And contrary to your apparent impressions, my intention, and I think that of Dennis, Daozen and others, is much more about awakening people to the things that are still going very wrong, that no one POTUS is likely to be able to change very much, such as Big Pharma's nefarious doings, the dangers of fracking and drilling for oil and gas, the pollution in our air, water and food,the dangers that the solar minimum is already creating in the form of increasing earthquake and volcanic activity, the very nature of the power structure that has been controlling this planet for so long, which has led us to the brink of destruction.
Those things are not just going to go away because of one person's intervention, even a POTUS.
I too hope for the end of the terrible division the world is presently in, and I think it will come, but only if people are aware of the dangers and begin doing something about them.
I think there are cosmic cycles and energies that have much to do with how humanity is faring at any given time, and it may well be that we are heading into a favorable cycle now, which will help to counterbalance all the unfortunate trends.
But the human race has powerful enemies, predators from other dimensions and other planets, and we cannot be naive if we are going to survive all these challenges, and it's already very clear that many will not, and the already existing damage is going to take some time to heal.
I wonder if most Trump fans have really made the time to look at all the dangers we are facing.
But I can't really imagine that anyone is finding this kind of word wrangling to be beneficial.
I hope the forum can find better, more productive ways of spending our time. We've been over and over this.
Someone like Joe or Dennis may have more to add, as they have apparently done the kind of research that I don't have time to do into Trump's policies and how they are working, etc., so I hope that ardent Trump fans will direct their arguments and objections their way now, as I am really quite done with this topic.

[waves]

This might be the most petty Trump hate thread yet.