Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Bill
Over the years we have seen several people say that they are thinking of committing suicide. We have seen others appear to be going off the deep end mentally. By starting such thread it seems that they are asking for help. Do you have any suggestions on how to respond or even if people should respond? Is there a coordinated effort to reach out to such individuals? Most people myself included offer words of encouragement but it hardly seems like enough. Would like to get your thoughts.
Thanks
R

Many thanks, and yes, whenever something like this comes to our attention, we take it very seriously and swing into action in whatever appropriate way. As indeed does the whole Avalon community.

The most recent instance was this thread. I'll not discuss the details — which you'll understand! — only because that was a members-only thread, and this is a publicly visible one. So we do need to take care to honor and respect that member's chosen privacy. So this post doesn't become too cumbersome with the necessary anonymity, I'll simply call the member 'A'. I'm sure that all this is okay.

The thread was reported to the mods immediately by several concerned members, but we'd already seen it. I contacted 'A' myself straight away by e-mail. Meanwhile, many members posted on the thread in support, also sending a whole bunch of supportive PMs to 'A', who was suffering considerably. The problem was a physical one, one of unrelenting severe pain, combined with continually hearing harassing voices as a Targeted Individual. None of this was imaginary: 'A' was highly intelligent, educated, mature, and sane.

We quickly struck up an e-mail dialog, and 'A' and I then spoke on Skype audio in several sessions totaling many hours. 'A' and I were working to get to the bottom of what was really happening in a very complicated and difficult situation.

To cut a long story short, this dialog seemed to help a great deal, following which 'A' became occupied with a different opportunity, a positive and enjoyable one. (This was the chance to appear in a TV feature, 100% unrelated to 'A's condition.) The last message I received was that the voices had stopped, which seemed to be coincident with the failure of a medical device that had been implanted a few years previously. 'A' declared — adamantly and understandably! — that this would NOT be replaced.

'A' hasn't yet returned to the forum to post again, but I think this can be very easily understood. It was certainly nothing to do with any lack of appreciation for the members' care and concern. 'A's appreciation and gratitude was immense.

None of this may be too easy to follow by non-members reading this (though many members will know what all this is about) — but they may get the clear idea that we do indeed respond very actively when situations like this come to our attention.

As can also be seen in the recent threads regarding Shadowself/Brook (who tragically failed to defeat her cancer), Foxie Loxie, who has taken a needed break from the forum, and Sierra, who lost everything in the Paradise fire, the moderators and members all combine to take a great deal of care of everyone they can.

This care and concern that is regularly shown — very often by the members themselves, with little extra being needed from the mods team as moderators — is one of the many defining high quality features of the Avalon Forum. This is a truly caring and compassionate community, and we can all be proud of that. I'm most certainly really proud of the community myself.

[Franny]

Hello Bill, This has been a fascinating thread; great questions, great answers. Thank you for doing it.

I have a big question. The first part is generally about what you know of Credo Mutwa and what he has been up to recently? Also, would you know if his old Zulu history ‘necklace' been found?

I’d like to tie that in to our missing history if I may. Since he is quite knowledgeable on Zulu ancient history perhaps he has some information that could place it within the context of a connected ancient global culture.

I have been watching a YT series by newearth, they have dozens of videos. I’ve been hesitant to share it on PA because they don’t always support their suppositions and conclusions well. It seems they want to make their point by finding a lot of dots to connect. Also they don’t always mention precisely where they are filming or on video clips and photos they include - it’s a little frustrating.

Never the less they do find a lot of places all over the planet that do indicate a planet-wide shared culture that has been systematically removed from our memory and history. Very interesting series as they do dig up quite a lot of truly fascinating stuff. Some videos are much better than others and, frankly, they are not professional researchers, but I do enjoy their take on things.

Some of the artifacts Klaus Dona showed in his videos come to mind as well as Michael Cremo, pyramids all over the planet, giants, and similar art styles and polygonal monolithic structures on all continents and more.

So my main question is that I wonder if Credo Mutwa has shared with you about his lost history or it’s part in global history - and what would be your take on an ancient planet-wide culture.

Many thanks!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by latte (here)
Hello Bill, This has been a fascinating thread; great questions, great answers. Thank you for doing it.

I have a big question. The first part is generally about what you know of Credo Mutwa and what he has been up to recently? Also, would you know if his old Zulu history ‘necklace' been found?

I’d like to tie that in to our missing history if I may. Since he is quite knowledgeable on Zulu ancient history perhaps he has some information that could place it within the context of a connected ancient global culture.

I have been watching a YT series by newearth, they have dozens of videos. I’ve been hesitant to share it on PA because they don’t always support their suppositions and conclusions well. It seems they want to make their point by finding a lot of dots to connect. Also they don’t always mention precisely where they are filming or on video clips and photos they include - it’s a little frustrating.

Never the less they do find a lot of places all over the planet that do indicate a planet-wide shared culture that has been systematically removed from our memory and history. Very interesting series as they do dig up quite a lot of truly fascinating stuff. Some videos are much better than others and, frankly, they are not professional researchers, but I do enjoy their take on things.

Some of the artifacts Klaus Dona showed in his videos come to mind as well as Michael Cremo, pyramids all over the planet, giants, and similar art styles and polygonal monolithic structures on all continents and more.

So my main question is that I wonder if Credo Mutwa has shared with you about his lost history or it’s part in global history - and what would be your take on an ancient planet-wide culture.

Many thanks!

Great question, and thank you for the care with which you framed it. My reply may be disappointing!

I've not been in touch with Credo Mutwa since my visit to him with David Icke in 2010. I simply have no update. As best I know, the stolen necklace has never been recovered, though I'd be delighted to be corrected if anyone has better information.

Credo talked with us at length about African history, but he never referred to a lost global culture.

But I do know the newearth YouTube channel. The many videos there are fascinating. The female Russian narrator (speaking good but accented English) is sometimes tricky to listen to, but the content is rich, well-documented, and well-filmed. It's a goldmine of fascinating archeological information and insight.

I'm convinced there was an antediluvian (pre-dating the Great Flood) global civilization — or, at least, a very widespread one, spanning continents. Fascinating for me personally, this question comes at the very end of a day which I've spent poring over the announcement of the smoking gun discovery of an enormous asteroid crater in Greenland that really does look as if it's the impact, or maybe one of a fusillade of several, that launched the Younger-Dryas ice age 12,900 years ago — and would have almost completely obliterated just about everyone and everything at that time.

• Huge asteroid crater found under the ice in Greenland

I've been thinking and reading about this for hours. I've actually felt really very emotional about it — much to my own surprise. This is more than just another geological discovery. It changes all history. It's the giant missing piece that was needed to complete the picture that we all strongly guessed was there.

The asteroid was one mile across. The violence of the impact is estimated to have been like a 700 megaton atomic explosion. Immense firestorms would have raged across the northern hemisphere. Tsunamis up to a mile high would have swept round the globe destroying every coastline and decimating every port city.

Only giant stone structures could possibly have remained standing. The tiny numbers of civilized, educated people who survived — knowledge-carriers of their destroyed peoples — relocated to Mesopotamia and the Middle East.

And their descendants, their collective memory gradually failing with each new generation, began the many thousands of years of rebuilding a small amount of what had been lost... aided, I believe, by partially sympathetic (but maybe not always entirely altruistic) ETs, who would have witnessed the entire catastrophe.

Those became the Gods of myth and legend. Just as Tom DeLonge says.

Meanwhile, the loss of an entire civilization was literally immeasurable. A vast, almost unimaginable tragedy. As Graham Hancock maintains, we're a race with amnesia: and no wonder. All of humanity, and everything it had built and created, suddenly crashed to the ground like a giant, sawn, Redwood tree. All this was the Fall of Man.

I've spoken of this elsewhere in this thread, but I do think that somewhere in that chaotic aftermath, sometime in the 8,000+ years that followed, an opportunistic, malevolent influence fell upon the human race that was not there before.

That's how come we have the world today.

If that asteroid had been just a small handful of hours earlier or later in its million year cosmic journey, everything we are now might be very, very different.

[Aviator]

Thx a lot for opening and continuing this thread, it's a pleasure to read your responses to some of these questions.

Would you like to talk a little more about your experience with Ron’s Org (Scientology)? What is your opinion about L. Ron Hubbard?

What do you know and/or think about
1. Hubbard’s early contacts with black magic, Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons (the rocket scientist) etc.
2. Dianetics
3. Scientology in the 1950th (PDCs etc.)
4. Scientology in the 1960th (OT levels, Sea Org)
5. Hubbard in the 1970th and 1980th (was he replaced by a double or clone?)
6. Strange circumstances about Hubbard’s hideout and death
7. The OT3 Story
8. “Old” and “New” OT levels (NOTS)
9. Captain Bill
10. Upper OT Levels above OT8

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Aviator (here)
Thx a lot for opening and continuing this thread, it's a pleasure to read your responses to some of these questions.

Would you like to talk a little more about your experience with Ron’s Org (Scientology)?

Yes, for sure. My answers here won't be too in-depth or technical, or else many people reading this might not be able to follow me very easily (or, maybe not at all ). You're most welcome to PM me, if you like (as is anyone else with quite some background knowledge already), and I can probably enlarge on some of this to quite some degree.

What is your opinion about L. Ron Hubbard?

The words of Ken Ogger ('The Pilot') come to mind: "L. Ron Hubbard was a self-taught intuitive genius."

I think that says it perfectly.

What do you know and/or think about

1. Hubbard’s early contacts with black magic, Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons (the rocket scientist) etc.

I think he wanted to investigate (and experience) what many people call 'the occult', primarily because he wanted to know and learn as much as he possibly could about the powers and limitations of the mind. So he simply explored everything he could at that early time, turning over every stone.

In Hubbard's later work, as you may know, he created a number of processes and procedures that would DEFEND against 'black magic', and/or remedy its harmful effects on people. In order to do that, one has to understand how black magic works. Hubbard was most definitely not any kind of 'black magician'.

2. Dianetics

When properly and ethically applied, it can work miracles, and easily, too.

I say 'when properly and ethically applied'. Here's an EXACT analogy.

If you take your car to an auto mechanic for repair, you need to know that not only are they skilled and competent, but that they're also ethical, and won't rip you off. And some mechanics DO rip people off... in three possible ways:

1. They can simply overcharge for work that another might do for half the cost, or less.
2. They might do unnecessary work, and then bill you for all the extra parts and labor.
3. They might even create a problem, or deliberately leave a problem unrepaired, so that after paying $500 for the work, they know you'd have to come back a month later and spent another $500 on something that they knew was going to cause the next problem. If a mechanic was really unscrupulous (and very clever), they could easily get you coming back for more 'necessary' work, month after month after month.

3. Scientology in the 1950s (PDCs etc.)

A lot of Hubbard's early work, and the body of techniques he developed, was very powerful indeed. But one of the problems with some of that was that it didn't work 100% reliably on absolutely everyone... maybe just most people.

He wanted to create a methodology that trained (but maybe relatively inexperienced) councilors (called 'auditors') could do with equally inexperienced newcomer clients, and achieve dependable, predictable results each time. So in the mid- to late-1950s (if I have my dates right), he refined his approach, carefully codified it all, and some of the early but very powerful 'hit-and-miss' techniques were relegated to be deployed only optionally.

4. Scientology in the 1960s (OT levels, Sea Org)

The 'OT levels' were all valid, and technically worked extremely well. But round about that time, or beginning at that time, Hubbard started to become more and more paranoid — not without some good reason, as just about every government and/or agency was after him, and there were serious ongoing attempts to infiltrate the 'Church'. (Note that the infiltrations eventually succeeded, in the late 70s and early 80s.)

Hence the 'Sea Org' was founded, which was regimented in a quasi-military way, although in many respects it soon became very clear that Hubbard went way over the top in his defensive response.

I do recommend this excellent book by Peter Moon, the author of the 'Montauk' series. He was in the Sea Org in the 1970s, and writes this fascinating autobiographical account of all his experiences, including with Hubbard both directly and indirectly. Don't be put off by the terrible title!

• The Montauk Book of the Dead
  https://amazon.com/Montauk-Book-Dead-Moon-Peter

5. Hubbard in the 1970s and 1980s (was he replaced by a double or clone?)

I don't think he was 'replaced' in the way that some have asserted he might have been. But rather like Saddam Hussein (and maybe many others!) he may well have had a couple of body doubles in play. Logically, that might make a lot of sense. But I've never heard that reported seriously by anyone whose word I trust.

6. Strange circumstances about Hubbard’s hideout and death

Yes, many strange circumstances. Here's one video, a 2003 seminar presentation by Allen Wright (who was a friend of mine, and knew a lot of stuff) — called When did L. Ron Hubbard die?

• http://avalonlibrary.net/When_did_L....ntion_2003.mp4

It's 33 mins long. The video quality isn't the best, but it's well worth listening to for anyone with some interest in the topic. As best I know, this is the first time it's been posted in the public domain. It's part of my (quite extensive) personal library, and is nowhere on YouTube or on any other site.

7. The OT3 Story

Well, it seems wild, and all logistically impossible. But all I can say is that if one 'audits' (processes) using the prescribed techniques and procedures, real things are released and real benefits result. That's definitive. So, pragmatically speaking, it works very well. The whole 'backstory' may not really matter too much.

Here's a very silly, deliberately exaggerated analogy. It's NOT a very good analogy — at all! For many reasons — but you may get the point I'm making.

You go to a doctor with a stomach complaint. He says, "Ah, a big bad boogie-woogie bird has visited you in your sleep and laid its eggs inside you. Just take these antibiotics." So you take the antibiotics.... and then, next week, you're much better.

8. “Old” and “New” OT levels (NOTs)

The 'old' OT levels worked just fine (and they still would, though few people do them any more). When the 'new' OT levels were developed and substituted — NOTs, meaning OT5, and then OT7 — they constituted an incomplete procedure, and one that could (by its nature) NEVER complete.

That's why it simply (and literally) never ended. Some people did three sessions a day on OT7, every day, for 15 or more years. OMG. One might figure they'd have realized that there was something wrong!

Another analogy, this time an exact one again: it's like trying to empty a bath tub with the taps still on. One has to find a way to turn the taps OFF... and then empty the bath.

That's what 'Captain' Bill Robertson did (see the next question below) when he researched and developed the successor-replacement for OT5 and OT7 in 1986, which he called 'Excalibur'. That was a piece of breakthrough brilliance, and it works perfectly.

There's no need now for ANYONE to do OT5 and OT7. If they do, they'll just get into the hamster-wheel never-ending thing again.

9. Captain Bill Robertson

I knew him personally: not well, but I spent some time with him and talked with him many times. I was privileged to have had that opportunity to do so. He was a remarkable, powerful man, of the highest integrity. I have the greatest respect for him, and for all his (very extensive) post-LRH research work which extends all the OT levels many magnitudes further.

10. Upper OT Levels above OT8

They all do exactly what they say they'll do, all the way to the last levels Bill Robertson developed, in 1990. He took all the basics of Hubbard's research, and built on that with new discoveries and insights of his own that extended the entire 'Bridge' really a very long way. The entire edifice he developed was 100% entirely logical and sound.

[James Newell]

This is a very good writeup Bill. I agree with pretty much everything. One small point, they didn't codify the processes until the mid sixties, when he came out with the basic grade chart. I could add details but you did such a concise job why push it.

[Franny]

Great question, and thank you for the care with which you framed it. My reply may be disappointing!

I've not been in touch with Credo Mutwa since my visit to him with David Icke in 2010. I simply have no update. As best I know, the stolen necklace has never been recovered, though I'd be delighted to be corrected if anyone has better information.

Credo talked with us at length about African history, but he never referred to a lost global culture.

Ah, thanks for that. It was just that visit I was thinking of. I recall he spoke about Zulu and African history but was not supportive of Michael Tellinger's hypothesis about the many structures found in southern area of Africa.

I do like newearth, the information they come up with is amazing and fascinating. I've sent some videos to friends and the responses were not positive so I've been hesitant to share. I'm pleased another who likes them.

The woman is actually from Bulgaria, she has a bio video available, and some of the aspects of her life are quite interesting. One interesting bit is her experience and views of Bulgaria during and after communism.

Thanks for your answer and the heads up on the asteroid in Greenland. It does look like it will help kickstart a big change.

[Aviator]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Aviator (here)
Thx a lot for opening and continuing this thread, it's a pleasure to read your responses to some of these questions.

Would you like to talk a little more about your experience with Ron’s Org (Scientology)?

Yes, for sure. My answers here won't be too in-depth or technical, or else many people reading this might not be able to follow me very easily (or, maybe not at all ). You're most welcome to PM me, if you like (as is anyone else with quite some background knowledge already), and I can probably enlarge on some of this to quite some degree.

What is your opinion about L. Ron Hubbard?

The words of Ken Ogger ('The Pilot') come to mind: "L. Ron Hubbard was a self-taught intuitive genius."

I think that says it perfectly.

What do you know and/or think about

1. Hubbard’s early contacts with black magic, Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons (the rocket scientist) etc.

I think he wanted to investigate (and experience) what many people call 'the occult', primarily because he wanted to know and learn as much as he possibly could about the powers and limitations of the mind. So he simply explored everything he could at that early time, turning over every stone.

In Hubbard's later work, as you may know, he created a number of processes and procedures that would DEFEND against 'black magic', and/or remedy its harmful effects on people. In order to do that, one has to understand how black magic works. Hubbard was most definitely not any kind of 'black magician'.

2. Dianetics

When properly and ethically applied, it can work miracles, and easily, too.

I say 'when properly and ethically applied'. Here's an EXACT analogy.

If you take your car to an auto mechanic for repair, you need to know that not only are they skilled and competent, but that they're also ethical, and won't rip you off. And some mechanics DO rip people off... in three possible ways:

1. They can simply overcharge for work that another might do for half the cost, or less.
2. They might do unnecessary work, and then bill you for all the extra parts and labor.
3. They might even create a problem, or deliberately leave a problem unrepaired, so that after paying $500 for the work, they know you'd have to come back a month later and spent another $500 on something that they knew was going to cause the next problem. If a mechanic was really unscrupulous (and very clever), they could easily get you coming back for more 'necessary' work, month after month after month.

3. Scientology in the 1950s (PDCs etc.)

A lot of Hubbard's early work, and the body of techniques he developed, was very powerful indeed. But one of the problems with some of that was that it didn't work 100% reliably on absolutely everyone... maybe just most people.

He wanted to create a methodology that trained (but maybe relatively inexperienced) councilors (called 'auditors') could do with equally inexperienced newcomer clients, and achieve dependable, predictable results each time. So in the mid- to late-1950s (if I have my dates right), he refined his approach, carefully codified it all, and some of the early but very powerful 'hit-and-miss' techniques were relegated to be deployed only optionally.

4. Scientology in the 1960s (OT levels, Sea Org)

The 'OT levels' were all valid, and technically worked extremely well. But round about that time, or beginning at that time, Hubbard started to become more and more paranoid — not without some good reason, as just about every government and/or agency was after him, and there were serious ongoing attempts to infiltrate the 'Church'. (Note that the infiltrations eventually succeeded, in the late 70s and early 80s.)

Hence the 'Sea Org' was founded, which was regimented in a quasi-military way, although in many respects it soon became very clear that Hubbard went way over the top in his defensive response.

I do recommend this excellent book by Peter Moon, the author of the 'Montauk' series. He was in the Sea Org in the 1970s, and writes this fascinating autobiographical account of all his experiences, including with Hubbard both directly and indirectly. Don't be put off by the terrible title!

• The Montauk Book of the Dead
  https://amazon.com/Montauk-Book-Dead-Moon-Peter

5. Hubbard in the 1970s and 1980s (was he replaced by a double or clone?)

I don't think he was 'replaced' in the way that some have asserted he might have been. But rather like Saddam Hussein (and maybe many others!) he may well have had a couple of body doubles in play. Logically, that might make a lot of sense. But I've never heard that reported seriously by anyone whose word I trust.

6. Strange circumstances about Hubbard’s hideout and death

Yes, many strange circumstances. Here's one video, a 2003 seminar presentation by Allen Wright (who was a friend of mine, and knew a lot of stuff) — called When did L. Ron Hubbard die?

• http://avalonlibrary.net/When_did_L....ntion_2003.mp4

It's 33 mins long. The video quality isn't the best, but it's well worth listening to for anyone with some interest in the topic. As best I know, this is the first time it's been posted in the public domain. It's part of my (quite extensive) personal library, and is nowhere on YouTube or on any other site.

7. The OT3 Story

Well, it seems wild, and all logistically impossible. But all I can say is that if one 'audits' (processes) using the prescribed techniques and procedures, real things are released and real benefits result. That's definitive. So, pragmatically speaking, it works very well. The whole 'backstory' may not really matter too much.

Here's a very silly, deliberately exaggerated analogy. It's NOT a very good analogy — at all! For many reasons — but you may get the point I'm making.

You go to a doctor with a stomach complaint. He says, "Ah, a big bad boogie-woogie bird has visited you in your sleep and laid its eggs inside you. Just take these antibiotics." So you take the antibiotics.... and then, next week, you're much better.

8. “Old” and “New” OT levels (NOTs)

The 'old' OT levels worked just fine (and they still would, though few people do them any more). When the 'new' OT levels were developed and substituted — NOTs, meaning OT5, and then OT7 — they constituted an incomplete procedure, and one that could (by its nature) NEVER complete.

That's why it simply (and literally) never ended. Some people did three sessions a day on OT7, every day, for 15 or more years. OMG. One might figure they'd have realized that there was something wrong!

Another analogy, this time an exact one again: it's like trying to empty a bath tub with the taps still on. One has to find a way to turn the taps OFF... and then empty the bath.

That's what 'Captain' Bill Robertson did (see the next question below) when he researched and developed the successor-replacement for OT5 and OT7 in 1986, which he called 'Excalibur'. That was a piece of breakthrough brilliance, and it works perfectly.

There's no need now for ANYONE to do OT5 and OT7. If they do, they'll just get into the hamster-wheel never-ending thing again.

9. Captain Bill Robertson

I knew him personally: not well, but I spent some time with him and talked with him many times. I was privileged to have had that opportunity to do so. He was a remarkable, powerful man, of the highest integrity. I have the greatest respect for him, and for all his (very extensive) post-LRH research work which extends all the OT levels many magnitudes further.

10. Upper OT Levels above OT8

They all do exactly what they say they'll do, all the way to the last levels Bill Robertson developed, in 1990. He took all the basics of Hubbard's research, and built on that with new discoveries and insights of his own that extended the entire 'Bridge' really a very long way. The entire edifice he developed was 100% entirely logical and sound.

Thanks for your specific response to all my questions and items, also for the very interesting video.

Based on my own experiences and investigations I agree with you in most of your findings and opinions. Original Scientology is a fascinating workable technology.

One of the things I don’t fully understand yet is the fact that, on one hand, Hubbard was able to come up with this spectacular workable technology by himself without getting confused and distracted by all the insanity and false data we face here on this planet. On the other hand he became kind of psychotic later in his lifetime and lost complete control over his own creation. In order to fully understand him and his appearance on planet earth, we probably need some more (maybe still hidden) data regarding his background and the game he was/is involved in.

What do you think?

[sunwings]

Do you feel you have a book inside of you, waiting to be written?

If a film was made about your life, which actor would you like to play you (past/present)?

Which parts of your life standout as your happiest?

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by sunwings (here)
Do you feel you have a book inside of you, waiting to be written?

If a film was made about your life, which actor would you like to play you (past/present)?

Which parts of your life standout as your happiest?

I was going to ask similar questions.
This Questions and answers post (which is pure gold) would make a great book.
take the contents as the main read, just as is.
It would be a great book to give people just waking would find an easy way in to this world.

you are such a respected, trusted, objective, knowledgeable and very well experienced person Bill.

I would buy a few of those books (One for my self signed by you for myself) others for those in need

Books are better for fresh to the subject minds, they can read a bit, flick through and pick it up any time anywhere, which I like to do..internet reading is so distracting, i go off on tangents of investigation to much.


So that is a real question and request for you there Bill, great stuff.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Aviator (here)
Thanks for your specific response to all my questions and items, also for the very interesting video.

Based on my own experiences and investigations I agree with you in most of your findings and opinions. Original Scientology is a fascinating workable technology.

One of the things I don’t fully understand yet is the fact that, on one hand, Hubbard was able to come up with this spectacular workable technology by himself without getting confused and distracted by all the insanity and false data we face here on this planet. On the other hand he became kind of psychotic later in his lifetime and lost complete control over his own creation. In order to fully understand him and his appearance on planet earth, we probably need some more (maybe still hidden) data regarding his background and the game he was/is involved in.

What do you think?

Well, I was never in the 'Church', and never knew Hubbard. But of course, I've heard all the stories.

James Newell (see his post above) may be able to say more, and he might do this on this specialist thread where I copied your earlier question, and my long answer. (I've copied this there, too.)

• Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

Four responses to the question! All of them may apply.

• Some of the reports will definitely be exaggerated. One of the things that definitely occurred — because Scientology processing is such a necessarily exact thing — is that if processing mistakes were made, and someone ended up more upset as a result (and this can most definitely happen), then that person might easily get super-vehemently-critical of Hubbard.
  
  Many (or most!) of those posting on the ex-Scientology forums definitely don't seem in very good shape. Whatever happened with those people, something went badly wrong. I feel I can state that as a fact.

• Peter Moon, in his excellent and fascinating Scientology autobiography The Montauk Book of the Dead (see my answer #4 in my post above) addresses this question himself. He explains in some detail how many of the excesses (and in some cases, sheer insanity!) displayed in the Sea Org did NOT originate from Hubbard, but from others senior in the organization. I believe (but do not know for sure) that James Newell might corroborate this, at least in part.

• I once asked this very question to someone I knew well, an 'old-timer' who'd been in the 'Church' since 1952: a wonderful man, who was highly skilled and trained, had known Hubbard personally, and had seen just about everything. (He'd left the Church' many years ago, after it had been taken over in the early 1980s.)
  
  He pointed out that Hubbard had done a great deal of his research and development on himself, including experimental processes that he'd abandoned because they didn't work, or didn't work well enough. The very rough analogy (not a good one, but you get the point!) is like a brain surgeon trying out new procedures on himself in the mirror. If things go wrong, he may learn a lot, but there'd be scars, and maybe some residual malfunctions.

• As some reading this may well understand (from their own experience!) Hubbard was certainly under attack almost ALL THE TIME, including from entities — which Scientology has all the processes and understanding needed to address and handle. But Hubbard himself never completed all the necessary research into entity handling. This is important to understand. That was continued and extended in the mid- to late-1980s by Bill Robertson, and is now complete.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by sunwings (here)
1. Do you feel you have a book inside of you, waiting to be written?

2. If a film was made about your life, which actor would you like to play you (past/present)?

3. Which parts of your life standout as your happiest?

1. Well, my mother was a published author, and I know I'm a good writer. I quite often ask myself the same question.

But there are two issues here.

• Few people read books any more. (Just as few people watch 4-hour documentaries: even a 15 minute YouTube clip can sometimes feel too long.)

• I'm genuinely not sure what any book I might write would focus on as its subject. Truly.
  
  That's because I'm not a specialist in any one area of research. Many others out there ARE specialists, and they hold the torch for their own field.
  
  But I'm a generalist. I know a lot about a lot of things. This thread kind of epitomizes that. There's an irony here regarding Kerry Cassidy, as well, which topic comes up several times in this thread. She never knew enough to realize that I really did know a huge amount. (Read that sentence again! It's true.)
  
  If there was a kind of Alternative Media Olympics, I might be the gold medal decathlete, really. But I'd not win any other track and field event. Which other UFO researchers know such a lot about sea monsters, reincarnation, alternative medicine, astrophysics, aerospace, ancient history, paleontology, and the Holographic Universe? (And climb mountains, as well. )

~~~

2. An Actor?? OMG. It'd have to be Benedict Cumberbatch.

3. The happiest period of my life? When I lived and worked in the English Lake District for three years, climbing mountains every other day and working in team-building and self-development with sponsored corporate groups. That was before life got all complicated.

[avid]

The dawn over the Lake District this morning was amazing, not a cloud in the sky, and I watched what was (I hope) the International Space Station so bright for hours not far above. Hope you can back here some day, although Ecuador seems very exciting...

[scotslad]

"Few people read books anymore" - true, but there's a real thirst for wisdom - not knowledge = more than ever before - hence why many of us are here on this forum. If I recall - "Terra incognita" is featured on page 1 of dianetics and is so true for many people. Many have a thirst and hunger for wisdom, not information, disinformation or misinformation - and you appear to rise above the many in your field with your ability to share wisdom and fact based on real personal experience and thorough research and have dared to explore many uncharted waters. fair play to you squire - keep up the good work. It's hard, it's challenging and many of your peers try but do not surpass you Keep on truckin' squire.

[scotslad]

I do have 2 questions for you if I may....

1. Who has been the most fascinating, and "revealing" person you have interviewed over the years? And what did they share you were able to verify, slap your forehead and shock you to your core.

2. Who have you interviewed that you thought "aye aye I smell bull ****" compelled you to switch off your camera, and think "i'm outa here." - the interviewee that you absolutely knew more than any other was telling porky pies

curious

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by avid (here)
The dawn over the Lake District this morning was amazing, not a cloud in the sky, and I watched what was (I hope) the International Space Station so bright for hours not far above. Hope you can back here some day, although Ecuador seems very exciting...

Hmm? don't think it was the ISS avid, it fly's over in about 3 or 4 mins or so not hours.

Cant believe I'm going to say this but, it might have been Venus.
Venus very bright in the sky.
was the thing you where watching moving?
or it might have been something other 0.o

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by scotslad (here)
I do have 2 questions for you if I may....

1. Who has been the most fascinating, and "revealing" person you have interviewed over the years? And what did they share you were able to verify, slap your forehead and shock you to your core.

2. Who have you interviewed that you thought "aye aye I smell bull ****" compelled you to switch off your camera, and think "i'm outa here." - the interviewee that you absolutely knew more than any other was telling porky pies

curious

1. 'Henry Deacon' (real name Arthur Neumann). He was 100% for real, and I spent over a hundred hours with him personally.

Nothing he said, about having visited Mars, could be verified (of course). But he showed Kerry Cassidy and myself all his documentation, and we visited the pub in the village near to his last workplace, sitting quietly in a corner while we watched his former colleagues greet him in surprise.

He never changed or embellished his story, and freely admitted there was much he didn't know. The best presentation he ever gave, which I think is very important, is here. He comes over as extremely anxious and disorganized, very reluctant to be in that pressured situation.

Beware the 'whistleblower' with a smile on their face who is articulate, confident, and totally at ease.

• http://avalonlibrary.net/Henry_Deaco...rs_EXTRACT.mp4

2. Patrick Geryl, about a coming global cataclysm in 2012. He believed everything he was saying, but neither Kerry or I did. That was the only video we released where we added a captioned caveat statement to the video intro saying we could not support his thesis. (Note: once 2013 arrived, Geryl wisely deleted all the content from his website. )

[Tree Of Life]

Hello Bill,

I have read your very heart-revealing thread.

You mention dreams from childhood of seeing a giant tidal wave coming for the shore.
I have had the same dream since I was a child... one of the first I ever remembered.
Sometimes I am standing on the shore, other times I am watching from above.

Now that it is being revealed that a collision crater has been found that effected the entire Earth, perhaps an explanation for the tidal wave dream has finally appeared.
You are the only other person I have read about, or know personally, to share this dream experience!

Here is my question for you...

Have you ever experienced deja' vu in a place, or with a person?

Thank you for this great thread!

Tree Of Life

[onawah]

I had a very frightening lucid dream years ago when I was still living on the West Coast which I can remember now as if it were yesterday.
It was frightening mostly because I felt it was prophetic, and soon after, I met an extremely psychic man who had had several such dreams.
It was about a tsunami inundating much of the West Coast, and in both our dreams, it was happening within our lifetimes.
It's one of the reasons why I moved away, and one of the reasons I am very concerned about my friends who still live there, and why I keep an eye on Dutchsinse's reports about earthquakes, etc., especially about the "slow slip" which both he and the "experts" have predicted is going to cause something huge, similar to what happened to Japan/Fukushima.
What are your thoughts on that Bill, and have you encountered any convincing evidence regarding such a possibility?
Thank you.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Tree Of Life (here)
Now that it is being revealed that a collision crater has been found that effected the entire Earth, perhaps an explanation for the tidal wave dream has finally appeared.

Or, it might be prophetic... see my reply in my next post #382.

Posted by Tree Of Life (here)
Have you ever experienced deja' vu in a place, or with a person?

Actually, no! Not in the sense I think you mean.

But I have definitely been to locations where it suddenly hit me that I'd DEFINITELY been there before. (And, also with people, when I instantly felt I knew them of old. That's happened many times now.)

One experience of the former was when I was on a bus traveling from Kargil to Leh (in Ladakh, Northern India), and the bus stopped on the top of a very high mountain pass. In front of us I could see all the brown plains of Tibet reaching out for hundreds of miles, amid ranges of rolling desert mountains.

I just went, Whoooooomf. It was an enormous feeling of lightness and expansion.

That was back in 1988. I didn't know it at the time, but I later discovered I'd been in Tibet for 1000 years, incarnating in the West in 1850. Then, of course, it all made perfect sense. From that viewpoint where the bus stopped, I was gazing out at my homeland.