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    Default Joe Rogan with Alex Honnold: the greatest athletic achievement of all time

    I've posted this (for now) under The Human Condition. The interview is by Joe Rogan, who brought rock climber Alex Honnold on to his show for the second time after the National Geographic documentary Free Solo was released.


    The film documents how Honnold climbed the 3,000 foot vertical face of El Capitan in Yosemite, from bottom to top, with no safety ropes, all alone, no nothing. He did it in a sliver under 4 hours. (The very first time it was ever climbed, back in 1958, it took a roped team of the best climbers in their generation 45 days over a period of 18 months.)

    The camera team, multiply suspended from ropes not far from him as he climbed, were genuinely concerned they might be filming his death.

    It's been hailed as the most extraordinary and exceptional athletic feat by any human, in all time.

    Perfection or die.

    World-class climbers were almost speechless in their reaction. "Unrelatable." "Mind-bending." "So far out in front of conventional reality." "Terrifying." "Incomprehensible."

    The documentary is kind of hard to sit through, even when you know he was successful. And the interview is a good one. Joe Rogan clearly likes the kid a lot, and as an athlete himself admires him intensely. Enjoy.

    Here's the film trailer... watch if you dare.


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    Default Re: Joe Rogan with Alex Honnold: the greatest athletic achievement of all time

    No ropes? That is kind of astounding. His eyes are somewhat otherworldly. Inspiring. Im teaching corporate students now. I think I'll make 2 or 3 lessons out of this.

    I think this video makes a good pair with the OP:

    http://tinyurl.com/oke7jvm //// "the love that you withhold, is the the pain that you carry... (lifetime after lifetime)..." - Alex Collier.

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    Default Re: Joe Rogan with Alex Honnold: the greatest athletic achievement of all time

    More: much of this video about Honnold is extracted from his feature on 60 Minutes, back in 2012. He was filmed for TV solo-climbing a slightly easier route than his extraordinary El Capitan feat, but it's still (a) almost impossible, and (b) pretty hard to sit through.

    My favorite YouTube comment:
    I just completed a rigorous, six-month long training program that included physical workouts and mental exercises designed to help me overcome extreme fear.
    I am now ready to watch this video.



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    That Youtube video comment is just about right. I am one of those that can barely watch. Watching him climb solo, I'm feeling physical symptoms similar to what I have felt after being in a car crash, or in catching rattlesnakes by hand: shallow, choppy breathing (when I could breathe at all), overall shakiness with random muscle twitches, sweaty palms, head reeling... the effects of a massive squirt of adrenaline, I'd guess. I'd need to wear Depends to watch the full documentary on a big screen, and it would take a long time to recover from that.


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    Glad to see this thread get some attention. I think it was eclipsed by other discussions. I built a whole lesson around these videos, and have been doing some good classes with my students.

    It's made all the scarier when you note Alex doesn't even have proper handholds. He's holding on by his fingertips for much of the climb.
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    Quote Posted by Daozen (here)
    He's holding on by his fingertips for much of the climb.
    Or sometimes even less. There are some really hard-to-watch clips shown here, in this excellent short piece by ABC. (Dennis, look away! )

    For those few with nerves of steel, it's well worth the 7 minutes. It also includes an interview with the film-makers, who had serious misgivings about the project inasmuch as they were well aware they might be filming (or even causing) his death.

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    Default Re: Joe Rogan with Alex Honnold: the greatest athletic achievement of all time

    Every so often I do a internet check on this guy to see if he's still alive..(another great comment) on his best video to date. Really looking forward to his new film.


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    Alex is a superhuman beeing for me, i climbed myself many years and i had adrenalin rushs in easy alpine multiple rope climbs, but what this guy does is something from another planet.

    for everyone that never climbed its hard to understand what kind of mindset you have to have and even for me i never climbed a route in freesolo its hard to grasp.

    as they say the mind is the most important muscle in climbing.

    finaly i have a reason to go to the movies again !
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    I am in awe of this guy, and loved the interview.

    Above, where I described my visceral reaction, was incomplete. I didn't mention that my eyes welled with tears, involuntarily. Not like crying, but like the bodily reaction to a jolt of histamine.

    Many people report having dreams where they are falling, and I have had those too. In addition, I have a recurring, vivid, vision of an event where I must have been at least 1000 feet in the air and falling. (I don't know if this is a snapshot out of a lucid dream, or possibly a previous life real event, or an overactive imagination, or what.)

    I once lost control in a car, on ice, in the Colorado mountains, and went over a cliff and down 75 feet, so I know what really falling feels like. I also (back in my 20s, when I was invincible) lost the hiking trail (on a ridge above) Hell's Canyon (Colorado) and stupidly started down a steep face (not vertical, but steep) wearing a backpack. I quickly found myself in a position where I could not go down (except to tumble down the mountain to the canyon below), and for a couple of adrenaline-filled minutes, I wasn't sure that I could go back up - and I did nearly fall. (NEVER trust vegetation as a hand hold!)

    As a kid, I used to climb to the top of tall trees and sway in the breeze (a great childhood memory.) I don't ever remember being afraid of heights. I suspect that it came from either the real life experiences, or from that recurring vision.

    It is with trepidation that I am going to see "Free Solo" tomorrow. My reaction to my reaction from watching the trailer. I feel like I have to confront this.

    (Where's the "Depends" emoji when I need one?)


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    I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it. Not for a split second.

    It almost makes me proud to be human. What that man did is universes beyond any other atheltic (or otherwise) achievement i've ever seen or ever will see. It's left some part of me paralyzed with amazement, if that makes any sense.

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    You couldn't pay me to be his girlfriend!
    Each breath a gift...
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    You couldn't pay me to be his girlfriend!
    Or his mother.

    I actually think he's a real example to many. He cares about her a lot. (His mother, too!) And he's smart and grounded enough that he knows he can't continue doing this forever, and in all likelihood his extraordinary El Capitan climb will be something he'll be unlikely ever to surpass. (Maybe no human ever will.)

    In terms of life goals and other major projects, he cares deeply about the potential of solar power, and has spent time in African communities helping to install the literally life-transforming but very simple technology: just to have one operational lightbulb in a house at night. That changes everything.

    He talks with Joe Rogan about this, as well, very passionately, towards the end of their interview. He's quite a remarkable man.
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    OK, I would be his girlfriend AFTER he stops climbing!
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    You couldn't pay me to be his girlfriend!
    Or his mother.

    I actually think he's a real example to many. He cares about her a lot. (His mother, too!) And he's smart and grounded enough that he knows he can't continue doing this forever, and in all likelihood his extraordinary El Capitan climb will be something he'll be unlikely ever to surpass. (Maybe no human ever will.)

    In terms of life goals and other major projects, he cares deeply about the potential of solar power, and has spent time in African communities helping to install the literally life-transforming but very simple technology: just to have one operational lightbulb in a house at night. That changes everything.

    He talks with Joe Rogan about this, as well, very passionately, towards the end of their interview. He's quite a remarkable man.
    Each breath a gift...
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    Just aaaaaarrrgggghhhh (and dashes off for tissues and a brush to sweep up nail bitings), this is how I felt also watching Bill’s last 2 videos - well not so much the last one as Mara wasn’t freaked. This lad is truly amazing....
    Having lost friends in climbing incidents, and being compromised on Shepherd’s Crag myself, my nerves are well and truly shot. Too old to attempt anything daft now thank goodness, but it doesn’t stop me worrying - sorry Bill!
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    Well, there is some guys or at least one on this planet, yet in better shape than you Bill sorry
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    Default Re: Joe Rogan with Alex Honnold: the greatest athletic achievement of all time

    Actually, his Mother seems to be amazingly Ok with it, being a climber herself, maybe she can understand his mindset.



    In a 2015 Times Magazine Article Alex wrote "There’s a constant tension in climbing, and really all exploration, between pushing yourself into the unknown but trying not to push too far. The best any of us can do is to tread that line carefully... I was 19 when my father died from a heart attack. He was a 55-year-old college professor and had led what was by all appearances a risk-free life."

    http://time.com/3898371/alex-honnold...tter-climbing/

    Do we all have a skewered idea of risk? Diet and lifestyle do not really register as risk for many people.However, Alex clearly understands risk. He spent two years practising on El Capitan before deciding to free solo it. Two years visualising each individual hand and foot movement. A 16 year old getting behind the wheel of a car for the first time, after getting their license may be in more risk without even knowing it.

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    I survived watching the movie!

    hahahahaha Am I brave, or what!


    ===============
    {Nov 11. Edit, to add:}

    I don't want to create more posts in this thread about MY reaction to this, so I'll just edit this post to add a tidbit.

    It really bothered me that I was unable to control my reactions to the aerial/cliff-face footage, so I decided to work on it. First, I needed to objectively assess why it was instantly subjective - I could not maintain objectivity. It dawned on me that I was allowing myself to (or not stopping myself from) moving my "spirit" to the vantage point of the camera. I was allowing the camera to act as my eyes, so I was caught in the illusion that I was actually where the camera was.

    My first intellectual approach was to adjust my physical visual perspective - like a camera - to wide angle, and not allow myself to have a focused telephoto experience. I watched the trailer and some other climbing footage trying to maintain the edges of the monitor and my desktop in my visual field. That helped a lot, and pretty quickly I was in a much more objective mindset - watching the action as an observer rather than feeling like I was actually there and viewing the scene from the camera's point of view. The good news is that it worked, but the bad news was that it was "emotionally sanitized" by objectivity completely eclipsing subjectivity.

    It dawned on me that maybe this could be experienced subjectively the same way as a lucid dream - projecting some part of my essence to have the subjective perspective (and thrill) but knowing that it was not my physical self - and that I was safe. It worked! I was surprised that the processing of this was done in an evening, and that the movie the following day was a thrilling experience, without any of the visceral fight-or-flight symptoms I had been feeling.
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    Phenomenal!! I made it through the trailer, does that count? Plan on watching the interview tonight. Fairly certain my blood pressure spiked just watching the short clips. Wow!

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    Default Re: Joe Rogan with Alex Honnold: the greatest athletic achievement of all time

    Here's a 10 minute short feature on all the issues about filming the climb, which were many.

    Very, very interesting..... and also quite hard to watch, really.


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    Default Re: Joe Rogan with Alex Honnold: the greatest athletic achievement of all time

    And a little more. This interview session, filmed with the live audience at the Toronto International Film Festival, is NOT scary. Dennis, Ivy, I promise.

    But it may be of interest to anyone who knows a little about the characters involved. Film-maker Chai Vasarhelyi described it as the scariest day of her life. Her film-maker husband, Jimmy Chin, said that the finally edited movie was, if anything, underplayed. Alex's girlfriend Sanni agreed, saying that living through the entire thing in real time was far more stressful and scary than the movie itself, and that only after she saw the film four times did she start to relax a little after re-living it all again.

    And meanwhile, there's Alex himself, in an ill-fitting suit, having walked on stage to a standing ovation, looking as if he can't grasp what any the fuss is about, and coming out with some wonderful one-liners. (But kudos: he's a very intelligent man, and absolutely did understand full well the entire deal all around him.)

    Very interesting. In my opening post, I'd wondered whether this belongs in The Human Condition. Yes, I think it absolutely does.


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