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    From https://reuters.com/article/us-boein...-idUSKBN20C2RW

    Boeing finds debris in 737 MAX jetliners' fuel tanks: company memo
    18 Feb, 2020

    Boeing found debris that could pose potential safety risks in the fuel tanks of several 737 MAX aircraft that are in storage and waiting to be delivered to airlines, according to an internal memo seen by Reuters on Tuesday.

    Foreign object debris, an industrial term for rags, tools, metal shavings and other materials left behind by workers during the production process, has been a quality control issue for various Boeing aircraft, such as its KC-46 tankers.

    Mark Jenks, general manager of the 737 program, told employees in the memo that such debris was “absolutely unacceptable” and that the company was taking steps to address the issue in its production system.

    A Boeing spokesman confirmed the memo’s authenticity, and said Boeing does not see the debris as contributing to delays in the jet’s return to service.

    The objects were found during maintenance work on some of the hundreds of 737 MAX jetliners Boeing has built but not delivered due to a worldwide ban imposed last March following two crashes that killed 346 people, he said.

    The FAA did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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    According to the Zerohedge article below, foreign object debris issue in the 737 Max jets are more widespread than initially reported. Boeing has a serious systemic quality control issue in building these jets lately.

    There is an error in the first link ("internal Boeing memo") of the referenced article that points to the article itself rather than going to the memo. Here is an excerpt from an earlier Boeing internal memo reported by a recent LA Times article:
    “This airplane is designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys,” one company pilot said in messages to a colleague in 2016. The company provided the documents in December to lawmakers and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, who are investigating the 737 Max and the process that cleared it to fly.
    Half Of Undelivered 737 MAX Jets Inspected Have 'Debris' Found In Fuel Tanks

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    Sat, 02/22/2020 - 10:35

    Update (Feb 22): Last week an internal Boeing memo detailed how inspectors found debris in the fuel tanks of several 737 MAX aircraft that are sitting in storage and waiting to be delivered to airlines. Updated reports now show the problem is much more widespread than previously thought.

    Reuters notes that 35 MAX planes had foreign-object debris (FOD) in the fuel tanks. A Boeing spokesman confirmed this on Friday:

    Quote "We are taking steps to make sure we eliminate FOD from any and all aircraft. This is unacceptable and won't be tolerated on any Boeing aircraft when it's delivered to the customer," Boeing said in an emailed statement.
    A source told Reuters that at least 50% of undelivered MAX jets inspected have FOD in them.



    Industry officials told The Wall Street Journal that the scale of the problem is widespread. They said Boeing had inspected 50 of the 400 MAX planes waiting for delivery once ungrounding occurs, indicating that some jets had rags, boot coverings, tools, and other debris in the fuel tanks.

    The FOD problem on the MAX was first reported Tuesday on Scott Hamilton's Leeham.net aviation site:

    Quote "There's a systemic issue with Boeing's quality control that hasn't been corralled yet," said Hamilton in an interview.

    "This is not related to the MAX crashes or exclusively a MAX issue. Boeing has these FOD issues on other airplane programs."
    Compound the FOD issue with a string of setbacks stretching almost one year since the grounding of the aircraft, and it has just been one disaster after another for Boeing.

    On Friday, a new twist in the Boeing saga developed when NYT reported that federal prosecutors were examining whether or not the aerospace company knowingly misled the FAA while seeking approval for the 737 Max.

    Prosecutors have questioned several Boeing employees in front of a federal grand jury whether a top Boeing pilot, Mark Forkner, lied to the FAA about the capabilities of the then-new MCAS airplane software.

    Airlines have been aware of the new setbacks and pushed out MAX return to service dates out to late summer and or even fall.

    Southwest said it is extending its MAX flight cancellations through August 20, the largest US airline (by available seat miles) United Airlines, also said it was pulling the MAX from its schedule until September 4.

    New setbacks could push the grounding out even further. The impacts on the US economy are tremendous.

    * * *

    With airline after airline pushing back their 'return-to-service' dates based on Boeing's total lack of clarity on the path forward for the 737 MAX, the troubled aircraft maker (and the troubled aircraft) now faces more problems.

    According to an internal memo, seen by Reuters, Boeing found debris that could pose potential safety risks in the fuel tanks of several 737 MAX aircraft that are in storage and waiting to be delivered to airlines.

    To be clear about what 'debris' means, Reuters details that:

    Quote "an industrial term for rags, tools, metal shavings and other materials left behind by workers during the production process."
    And notes that this 'debris' problem has been a quality control issue for various Boeing aircraft, such as its KC-46 tankers.

    Quote Foreign-object debris (FOD) “is absolutely unacceptable. One escape is one too many,” Mark Jenks, a Boeing vice president and general manager of the 737 program, said in a message to employees that was viewed by Reuters.

    With your help and focus, we will eliminate FOD from our production system,”

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    Default Re: Boeing Mega Troubles with its 737 MAX 8 Overriding Nose Dive Crashes

    A strong thought just struck me — and I've not yet seen anything written about this. (Anyone who may be sifficiently interested, please do find any articles you know about concerning this.)

    Boeing was already in deep trouble after the 737 MAX fiasco. With the current ongoing massacre of the airline and travel industry, everyone surely has to be canceling their Boeing 737 orders. And for every other Boeing, too.

    So if I was a market analyst, I'd be predicting Boeing hitting very serious financial trouble in a few short months from now.

    The outcome? A US government bailout, for sure, as Boeing is also a key defense contractor. (Assuming the two businesses aren't financially firewalled from each other.)

    For many reading this, this may be very minor and irrelevant. But this did strike me quite clearly, so I merely wanted to note it down.

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    Should be allowed to go under, if only boeing wasn't a part of the military industrial complex... I'm tired of this "austerity for the many, socialism for the rich".
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