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    Default PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media

    I've started this thread in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. It may belong elsewhere, but it's really about what various personalities are doing to optimize their monetization.

    And it's about 'professional' marketing. Money. Clicks. Quantity. Numbers.

    Take a look at this site:
    ~~~
    PURSUING X was founded to meet the needs of the community of investigators, and truth seekers from all spectrums of life.

    We cater to the UFO investigators, researchers, authors and speakers. We represent those seeking consciousness, intelligent extraterrestrial life, and the origins of humanity.

    We feel this talented community has not been well represented in social media, merchandise management and on YouTube or Vimeo.

    We want YOUR unique voice to be heard. We manage your online life so you can focus on your work.
    ~~~

    Wow.

    Here's what happens. I'd not personally go near them with the longest pole I could find. But they represent Richard Dolan and Linda Howe (and promote to other prospects proudly referencing those two of their star clients).

    They take 30-35% of all revenue. (That's a BIG cut. A third of everything.)

    Either that, or you pay them a set fee with a minimum of $250/month, going up to potentially $'000s, depending on the numbers, the plan, and the package.

    In return, like a hamster on a wheel, you have to perform. But they get you the gigs.

    Like this:

    ~~~
    The list of things the potential client is invited to review include:
    • Get more views that can be quantified to get sponsors.
    • Increase YouTube/Twitch channel, get monetized and get affiliate marketing and/or endorsements.
    • Increase your social media presence to increase speaking fees and reach.
    • Expand into a completely different area of [ _____ ]
    • Increase Patreon subscribers/supporters
    • Fund a grand project of [ _____ ]
    • Help to get appearances and interviews booked.
    ~~~

    This is why Richard Dolan is doing so many videos literally all the time now. Almost more than most people can keep up with. It's a mass-production machine. He's exceptionally good (and fluent) at what he does, and I'm one of Richard's greatest fans, as everyone reading this will know.

    But something will break. It's not sustainable.

    As I wrote here on my personal Q-and-A thread — before I even learned of this, only about an hour ago:

    ~~~
    I've never monetized any of my videos, and feel quite some distaste about ever doing so.

    I really, really dislike the steadily growing commercial and self-promotional environment within the alternative media. It seems to me to be a bit like the Stockholm Syndrome.

    We become more and more like the very system we claim to oppose.
    ~~~

    I'll say that again, in a different way. There's something wrong here, something unhealthy. Maybe something deeply corrosive and personally endangering. One gets the feeling Richard has been captured, as if by a thing with tentacles.

    I'm not really joking here. I can almost feel the choke collar round his neck.

    Alternative media stars become commodities. JUST like in the mainstream. Once they're signed up, I would LOVE to know what restrictions there are on what they can and cannot do. I'd like to see the terms of the contract.

    No way does Pursuing X care with integrity about the quality of the material presented. It's a commercial market for them. Numbers. $$$.

    It's Gaia Lite.

    One thing I'll predict: livestreams are a mandatory part of the package, because they're a simple, cheap, (but VERY low-quality) way to spread the message far and wide.

    Remember, marketing is ONLY ONLY ONLY about numbers. Ever wonder why Linda Howe's livestreams are so similar to Richard Dolan's? They're the same package, a clone unpacked from the same box. They even have the same person, Lori, administering them.

    This is NOT a criticism of Richard or Linda. I love them both.

    But man, where is this headed? And I do wonder who else has signed up for this.

    I'll write more, as more thoughts come to me. But this is Brave New World level unhealthy.
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    Default Re: PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media

    I noticed Richards sudden onslaught but know nothing of Pursuing X. Always suspected Linda had more of a machine to get her material across.

    FWIW - not a fan of RD - am of LH.
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    Default Re: PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media

    I have seen the same, up to 50% take for the platfom and media provider, in the spiritual field (the person I know ended up giving it up, but lost his videos in the transit). I have seen it in the corporate training field as well.

    Here in Quebec we have an incredible amount of "speakers" on self development, spirituality, name it, all less qualified one from the other, for an 8 millions population - way too much for the market. I am getting tired of it, and I think this will happen to most. And yes, they have to produce, so content and quality are low.

    The one who is very good right now in my opinion, in the alternative field, is Dark Journalist - don't I like his X series. Very well researched, well presented, lots of content and a thread of thinking that makes sense.

    I do not know if he is in a similar platform, because he produces lots of videos, but he kept quality up as well as content filled.

    Not as sure about Linda Moulton Howe, I sometimes find her content a bit weak or repetitive, although I know she is well researched and quite professional.
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    Default Re: PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media

    Daniel does seem untouchable. Beyond reproach. Who would dare.

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    HI Bill,

    Thanks so much for bringing this out. It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach, and your stated views concur exactly with mine on the issue. We kind of know somewhere in our intuition what is going on.. it has a certain flavour to it.

    Jesus (whoever that was) was right when he said "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.". ie when profit becomes the boss, the truth gradually starts becoming subservient to something else. This is the spirit of our age.

    It's funny, I (like many of us, I am sure), felt something off about all these many livestreams, bringing something each week whether or not there were fresh news updates to report, and often with 'superchats' (which it took me a while to realise was a euphemism for paying to get your comment seen prominently). It's all very subtle, and I know that neither Linda nor RIchard D (both of whose work I value), nor several others, mean any harm by it, quite the contrary, but little by little, oh so subtly, the whole thing can start to compromise and dilute truth and become about 'the bottom line'. Before very long we have the whole pantomime: the catch phrases.. 'and we are LIVE', 'and what are we going to eat tonight, Olivia?', the Chocolate and Fluffy show etc etc.

    I can't help feeling that something archontic and AI-ish is served by the whole formula. Similarly, with Youtube monetisation how can there NOT become a temptation to keep people listening and clicking at all costs, regardless of the content. From this the over-sensational titles, the claiming that items are brand new when in fact they are years old etc etc.

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    Often Researchers/Investigators are just that. And are very good at just that. They often don’t have the skill set to make quality productions, let alone have the time or inclination to work out how to function at an optimal level in the media world.

    They need help and if they don’t have a friend or family member to help out with the media industry, including the ever evolving tech involved, it makes sense that they would hire/engage/contract out with professionals.

    These media professionals are just that. And likewise are very good at just that. I doubt they have much interest in content, just delivery.

    If our alternative media is evolving toward competing with, and holding ground with, mainstream media it seems logical that behind the scene professional production crews need to be engaged.

    This is why I’m not overly bothered by this new trend as it is a new niche that sort of isn’t any different to “the ‘ol days” when Researchers/Writers had to contract out with a publisher to edit, print and promote their books.

    It’s the quality that counts at the end of the day

    We aren’t going to stop this trend so I do think it could be in the best interests of the community to get on board rather than be any more left behind than it already is. And I’m hopeful that over time we will get to see greater expansion of it where the likes of Dolan evolve into talkback shows – heck I’d rather watch a Dolan talkback show than a celebrity one like Ellen Degeneres etc, (no offence to Degeneres).

    And if this is what it will take to get credible researchers into the everyday lives of people – then perhaps so be it.

    Another positive angle of looking at this is that the internet “clicks” are how the populace have a voice and indirectly/directly demand the content they want delivered to their media platforms. Yes, we will always have unscrupulous commercial entities moving into the content arena that the populace demand with their clicks, but if our scrupulous people do not saturate the arena our mainstream populace are going to get nothing but rubbish.

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    Gemma, wow.

    Apart from acknowledging that specialist researchers are just that, only specialists, I completely disagree with almost everything you say.

    I'll write more tomorrow (just gone midnight here US time). But for the moment, of course I know that (e.g.) an author needs to have their new book edited, printed, distributed, and marketed. That's what publishers do. Writers can't go about circulating photocopied, stapled bundles of paper to their neighbors on a bicycle.

    But there's a spectrum here. At one end of the spectrum is Jimmy Church, whose commercialism I find abhorrent and grotesque. (He revels in it, of course. But that matches a certain type of narcissism.)

    At the other end might be the 2006-2008 Camelot interviews. We never monetized or advertised a thing, ever. Everything we did was for free. Our personal philosophy was NOT to have it be
    "We've got this thing that you want. And we're NOT going to let you have it unless you give us money first."
    Instead, we deployed:
    "Here's this thing that we think you might want. Take it freely. Then give us something later if that feels the right thing to do."
    At our peak, we were getting over $8,000 a month simply in donations. And we were never knocking on the door of conferences demanding to be let in. We were invited.

    We never had Facebook or Twitter or Instagram accounts. Just a website and a YouTube channel.

    (That's all I still have. I will NOT do anything else. I'd be compromising my own sanity and balance, and I'd be a slave to the demanding monster I'd created, rather than a free, healthy being. That's important to me.)

    Back then, we never promoted a thing. We just let it all roll. There was no hustle, no products, no merchandising, no advertising. No monetizing our YouTube videos (despite tens of millions of views).

    YouTube onscreen adverts get in the way of serious work. I personally really dislike them. So I'm not going to impose them on anyone else. That's a kind of cycle of abuse.

    If what you do is good enough, it all works out. But if one's ambitious, and wants to be a celebrity — and that's different — then just like in the mainstream entertainment factory, anyone can undergo the surgery and image manipulation to be practically genetically altered — certainly as regards one's very soul — and wheeled out to the forefront.

    Ever wonder why so many musicians and entertainers take drugs or become alcoholics? The 24/7 pressures to be what someone ELSE wants you to be are extreme and unrelenting. Some people just break.

    This will happen in our world, too. It's just a matter of time.

    In fact, in some corners of the alt media not too far away from us, it may already have started.
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    Default Re: PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media

    Yuck, I was wondering what was going on with this sudden flood of live-stream videos.

    The constant reach for money is very distasteful and distressing to me and many others I'm sure. I know both Linda and Richard need to finance their research and pay the bills but they have entered a new and possibly dark territory with this. I do have a bad feeling about it. It's sad.

    I know we all have to have some of the stuff to live in this world but digital marketing has gone beyond nauseous. I wonder where it is leading and just what is behind it, I don't think it is at all positive. I hope they come to reconsider it and find better, healthier ways to stay afloat financially.

    As someone that has done web design for years I also have some understanding of digital marketing and find it distasteful in the extreme. I don't tolerate it well I don't think we need to become what the mainstream is.

    I'm relieved that you, Bill, are able to avoid this. Thank you!
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    Well that wrecks everything. How do we know how genuine people are being if it’s this commercialised? UFOs etc., really? Terrible move.
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    Default Re: PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media

    Here's more.

    From a WHOIS of pursuingx.com:

    Tech Name: Lori Moriarty
    Tech Organization: Pursuing X
    Tech Street: 1622 West Hemingway Lane
    Tech City: Anthem
    Tech State/Province: AZ
    Tech Postal Code: 85086
    Tech Country: US

    This is the same 'Lori' who presides over Richard Dolan's and Linda Howe's livestreams.

    This 2006 legal document lists some aliases that Lori Moriarty of Anthem, Arizona, went under at the time:
    That legal affair resulted in Lori Lee (Spranger) Moriarty and her husband paying a quarter of a million dollars in penalties and compensation to investors in a fraudulent investment scheme, run from their home, called "Vector 90 Debt Purchasing", as documented in this report.
    Then 2 years later, Lori Moriarty was sentenced to 10 years in prison for various fraud and forgery charges.
    Here she is.


    A Google reverse image search shows a similar photo on
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    Quote Posted by OopsWrongPlanet? (here)
    HI Bill,

    Thanks so much for bringing this out. It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach, and your stated views concur exactly with mine on the issue. We kind of know somewhere in our intuition what is going on.. it has a certain flavour to it.

    Jesus (whoever that was) was right when he said "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.". ie when profit becomes the boss, the truth gradually starts becoming subservient to something else. This is the spirit of our age.
    I agree with Bill Ryan and OWP makes a wonderful quote here backing Bill up.

    I think Bill Ryan has done a wonderful job of leading by example in terms of what someone has to do in order to keep their honest and genuine take on things free from molestation, and that is keep one's overhead low. Live a simple and low cost lifestyle.


    Back before Youtube I owned everything Bill Hicks had ever made via Kevin Booth's "Mad Cow Productions".

    Kevin was Bill Hicks friend, confidant and collaborator, he kept up a website and sold everything Bill Hicks had done after Bill Hicks death.
    I bought a video that contained an interview Hicks had done on an Austin local Cable show, very low budget, same kind of thing Wayne's World was based on.
    In the interview the person conducting the interview took offense as Bill Hicks often pointed out how most musicians and comedians were sell outs and this interviewer took Hicks to task on this point demanding an explanation.

    Bill Hicks answer was simple and it influenced my opinions on such matters.

    Bill Hicks stated that as soon as an artist took money to shill for a commercial product that artist's opinion was forever suspect and tainted because that artist had shown that their opinion was for sale. No longer could that artist be trusted as being genuine and true since we now knew that their opinion was for sale.

    This does seem to be the case with such platforms as Gaia, and now this PURSUING X seems to be in the same ballpark.
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    Exactly, DNA. Though, if researchers etc. can make a good coin directly from their supporters then all power to them, but not like this, not this field.
    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

    You mustn't be afraid to dream a little BIGGER, darling.

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    Holy effing crap. Good catch. Do the otherwise smart people who sign with this outfit bother to look into who they're signing with?
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here she is.
    https://angel.co/lori-moriarty

    Say what you want - she's obviously smart, in exactly the meaning that the term has [got], nowadays...

    [Update: And i hadn't read Walter's comment when i wrote the above]
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    Quote Posted by WalterBosley (here)
    Holy effing crap. Good catch. Do the otherwise smart people who sign with this outfit bother to look into who they're signing with?
    Maybe, but maybe not. I e-mailed Richard and Linda just to make sure they were aware. And they may well be. They're well able to make their own personal decisions. I stressed I just wanted them to know the info.

    Walter, you might let Daniel know. Maybe also Joseph and Catherine. Lori is promoting to everyone on the circuit at the moment. That's how come I caught the word, from someone I know out there who was being solicited. She e-mailed me to warn me.

    Lori does her own marketing of herself, too, of course. So my friend was kind enough to alert me based on her own recent experience. (Which she quietly and gently declined. )

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Then 2 years later, Lori Moriarty was sentenced to 10 years in prison for various fraud and forgery charges.

    https://azag.gov/press-release/anthe...curities-fraud
    I'm getting a report that one of our members from Australia can't see this page. It's a page with a background image for Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, with the following press release on it:

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    Anthem Woman Given 10-Year Prison Term for Securities Fraud

    (Phoenix, Ariz. – March 5, 2008) Attorney General Terry Goddard announced that Lori Moriarity, formerly known as Lori Lee Spranger, 38, of Anthem, was sentenced today to 10 years in prison by Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Andrew G. Klein. He also ordered her to pay $460,000 in restitution and serve seven years of probation after her prison term.

    In February, she pleaded guilty to one count of fraud, one count of theft, one count of securities fraud and two counts of forgery.

    According to court documents, between 2004 and 2006, Lori Moriarity engaged in a fraud scheme in which she sold securities for a purported debt collection company called “Vector 90.” Arizona law requires that securities of this type be registered and businesses of this type be licensed. Lori Moriarity failed to inform investors that Vector 90 was not licensed and that the securities were not registered. She guaranteed returns of 35 percent, providing investors with timetables of when the investments and profits were to be repaid. She and her husband, Michael, then used most of the money invested in Vector 90 to pay for living expenses for themselves and their four children.

    In September 2006, the Arizona Corporation Commission issued a permanent cease and desist order to Lori and Michael Moriarity regarding Vector 90. The order included restitution of $225,000, a fine of $50,000 and a promise from defendants that they would not exercise control over any entity that sells securities until the restitution and fine were paid in full. The restitution and fine remain unpaid. After receiving the cease and desist order, Lori Moriarty continued to obtain money from investors in other purported debt-collection businesses, and she and her husband also used most of that money for living expenses.

    In January, Michael Moriarity pleaded guilty to one count of securities fraud. In February, he was sentenced by Klein to six months in jail and four years probation. He was also ordered to pay $437,060 in restitution, along with Lori Moriarty.

    Court records further show that, while Lori Moriarty was on release pending trial in the securities fraud case, she was employed in the office of a small Phoenix business. The records show that she stole over $25,000 from that company by forging about 30 checks on the company’s bank account and depositing the proceeds into accounts she controlled.

    The convictions in these cases are the result of investigations conducted by the Securities Division of the Arizona Corporation Commission.
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    According to the PursuingX website, Grant Cameron is also among her clients.
    If anyone is in touch with him maybe worth alerting him also.

    x

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    Wow this is really relevant for me right now. I hope this isn't too long.

    I have a background of being involved in the music industry, and my main focus in terms of what I do, 'career' wise is currently on music.

    A long story short: I was once the drummer in a Scottish Indie-Pop band. We had a fair bit of 'success' for a while. We had a manager, we were singed to a record label, and got to tour in Europe, America, Australia and Japan. We were in the British charts, did videos, all of that. I left just after we recorded our second album, feeling heavily compromised, personally and professionally.

    Here lies one of the most important parts of what I feel I was compromised by, in that whole experience: we signed a contract which said that if the record company wanted us to do something, which was marketing related, or pretty much anything that furthered the bands profile, and we didn't want to do it, and we refused, they could take us to court for breach of contract. They could probably sue us for loss of earnings as well, but I can't remember specifically.

    15 years on I can't tell you how nuts I think that is. That's COMPLETELY nuts! I would NEVER sign away my freedom in that way, ever again. But, the VAST majority of artists you hear on the radio, or in the charts, have signed just such a contract. Our record label was (and still is I think) 'independent', but still seemed to operate pretty much the same way as any major label would operate. Independent in those terms, to me, just means they weren't part of a larger company that they operated under, and whose rules they would have to follow. They were independently messed up.

    I think it's very tempting, going into something like that to think things "I'm different; I'm a principled person, I know what I will and won't do, I trust these people and they won't make me do things I don't want to do. I won't be compromised" etc, etc. What I realise now, very clearly, is that I, and everyone who signs such a contract, makes a HUGE compromise the moment they put pen to paper.

    So, I guess I would be interested in knowing what kind of contracts PursuingX are getting people to sign.

    Bill, I think you're absolutely right: one of the major reasons there is so much drug and alcohol abuse in the music industry is that people feel compromised and out of control of what they're doing. I see that often the most revered artists are the most sensitive ones. That's how they're able to create the art that they create. And it also means that they're sensitive to everything that's happening around them; the vibes and intentions of people, and the direction their lives seem to be going. So, no wonder, when these people find out that the people who seemed to make their career happen, and who they thought had their back, actually don't. They perhaps don't care much about them at all, and are only interested in themselves, money and their own ambition. Not only that, but the sensitive artist is now legally obliged to do their bidding!

    I also see that many of these artists are seen as victims of a horrible industry that takes advantage of people's talent and which has nothing to do with nourishing positive creativity etc. Sure, that's often true, but, I have to ask; who put those people into that situation in the first place? They put themselves there! And they got burned. Pure and simple. I feel strongly that what caused them to put themselves there in the first place was their own ego. That's hard to imagine in some cases; I'm talking about the artists who seem super sensitive and super cool and who make music that seems to have a huge positive influence on people. Them too I'm afraid. Yep. Nobody goes into that world completely blind. I've seen it first hand, from my own experience, and I can't imagine the people I'm talking about are much different.

    The desire, in my own case, to be successful, financially secure, to have my talent and the music I was making appreciated for what I thought it was, all of that, was huge. I had a huge desire for that, and therefore a huge ambition. Oops. All of those things on their own, or even all together, might not add up to anything sinister. But, if the ambition of success in those terms becomes the goal, rather than the ambition to just create and share REAL art (and it's REALLY tempting to come at it from that angle), then you're asking for big trouble. What is real art? To me it's the creative force of the universe itself, channelled into 'something'. And it applies to everything we do, artist or not. That's another story!

    Here's another reason why there's so much drug and alcohol abuse in the music industry: to be revered for what you do is an immense challenge for the ego. IMMENSE! The further you go with it, the harder it gets. You walk a terribly fine line. The temptation is to believe the hype. The moment you do, you're feeding your ego, and it can be a terribly destructive process, especially for highly sensitive people.

    People want to revere people. It feels good to put trust and admiration on someone else, and revere them for doing something and achieving something that we might want desperately to achieve ourselves. And it can be terribly tempting to accept that reverence. It's all hype, because all of that is our own imagination, and has nothing to do with who's being revered.

    I think the only positive thing you can send out to the people you revere is gratitude. And the only positive thing you can send back, as a person who is revered, is gratitude. You never know what the positive effect is that you might be having, but you're grateful that it seems to be having that effect. And if you're really smart, you realise that it's nice to be involved with this positive effect, but it actually has nothing to do with you. NOTHING!

    I'm in a position now where I'm about to release some music on my own, and I'm really not sure how to approach it, now or longer term. I've thought about putting it online and saying that people can pay whatever they want for it, but I'm not sure. I see authors who I think are off the scale in terms of positive human potential, and they charge rather a lot for their books. It seems like they are supported pretty well to do what they do, but it also seems that they absolutely do not do any pushy marketing, and the ones I'm most drawn to tend not to be in the public eye at all.

    I eventually want help to in some way market my music, organise tours, record etc. Or, to put it another way, have it placed in a place where people can hear it. I'm not sure I've got the inclination or the motivation to do all that myself. I suppose that might change, but it's hard to imagine. And I want to be supported, financially, to do that, because it takes up a huge amount of my time to present my music in a way that I would want.

    Anyway, ramble over. Time will tell what I end up doing, and how I do it. I feel all I can do for now (and perhaps for ever) is be hyper vigilant of my motivations for doing things, and hyper vigilant of other people's motivations for wanting me to do things. And hopefully I turn my attention away from where it's all going, and trust that the universe takes care of that, and me, in the process.

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    In my estimation this set up is just begging for corruption. It would take a person of the highest moral quality to resist distorting information to keep the wheel spinning. On second thought, I would question the motive and integrity of anyone who jumped on this. I do understand that full time researchers need revenue to live, I respect and endorse that, but this is just inviting a huge challenge to the moral fiber of anyone. Greed is a sneaky, cunning little beast that can hide itself under all kinds of denial.

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    The first thing I thought while reading this thread, before I saw DNA's and other's posts on the subject was "Look what they did to Rock n Roll."
    "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone when we are uncool." From the movie "Almost Famous""l "Let yourself stand cool and composed before a million universes." Walt Whitman

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