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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Joe, many thanks for your thoughtful, detailed and interesting post immediately above.

    A question for you, if I may: where will social media (in general) be with alternative content in 5 years' time? What's it all going to be like for us all?

    Do you see Alvin Toffler's future hitting us hard round the head, where few people can cope any more, and all serious content will be drowned in commercially-promoted noise?
    I can see it all being like a box of Quality Street chocolates, all broken-up and wrapped in shiny foil to tempt. Commercialised and cashed-out.

    I'm already witnessing a generation that does not posses the tools to cope with life............ and who can blame them? I struggle myself sometimes at the absurdity of it all, the blatant lies of MSM, the duplicity of those that society deems to trust, the list could go on and on. My son and daughter are both in their mid-twenties and I've had several conversations with them both about what their thoughts are regarding starting families (somewhat selfishly from my pov fearing for those born into this present situation), thankfully they are choosing to spread their wings and head-off to explore different countries and cultures.

    I have a couple of guys who wok for me that are in their early twenties, and sometimes, listening to them and their points of view on world-matters leaves me speechless, and they would, and do, defend those points of view violently.

    You know, sometimes, and a lot more recently, I really question as to whether I belong here at this time. I really do.

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    I'm with you Bill. It's like a big stupid joke, but it's not a joke, because it's happening.

    I've just got through season 2 of the comedy TV series "Silicon Valley" and a lot of that show seems to be reminiscent of things you're talking about. It's like they're all playing a money game, and only one guy knows the rules (the asshole guy lol)

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)

    "The first rule of any game is to know you're in one." Sandy Lerner, Founder of Cisco Systems
    That's not a rule ;-)

    The first "rule" should be to determine if the game is fair or not, and then if it's not fair, don't play it.

    Rule # 1 - Know the rules (he he)

    PS: Season 5 finale blew my mind. No spoilers

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    Should I put half of Avalon behind a paywall — only half! — so that paid-up members will then have access to twice as much content?

    If not, why not?
    Hi Bill,

    No, I don't think you should put half of Avalon behind a paywall....first and foremost because again, it was never about the money. Avalon was/is about sharing knowledge and information about this crazy messed up world we live in (and well beyond). Another reason I don't think you should do it is because I don't think it would be fair for some of the current members who perhaps could not afford to pay in order to remain a member. There is a "members only" section, not requiring payment, but for which the general public does not have access to without becoming a member.

    When one goes for years on the internet, social media, You Tube, and open forum, etc...and then suddenly wants to charge for it...it's kinda like jumping the shark, so to speak. And, once that happens it makes me wonder, what changed??

    Dave - Toronto
    What generally happens with the paywall type thing, or new profit generating schemes, is that they go along quite well.

    For a short while. The new more complex reality takes time to form and show it's face. The short term expectations have to be extrapolated into the long term and that's generally where things fall down.

    For example, this website. Random encounters is likely what most grows it's user base. The problem being that if things look the way I expect them to, we're looking at a forced reduction in random visitors due to web search result manipulations.

    Also, the quality of the participants on the forum. Etc.

    In this case, some form of re-inclusion into website results, as a form of active participation, is probably the way to increase traffic.

    Alex Jones was likely pulled due to such increases, though. His scenario was hitting all the right buttons in the general population, and did not seem to be dying off the way that some might want it to. Artificial induction of a finite limit, seems to be the deal. The wild west aspects are leaving the board.
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    Default Re: PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    We've been talking on this thread about the wisdom (or otherwise) of alt media researchers and commenters utilizing various forms of commercially-driven promotion to try to make their voices better heard above the clamor.

    And we've looked at Alvin Toffler's 'Future Shock' forecast of a world in which more and more people would react and withdraw from an ever-increasing wave of information and accelerating change that they'd be powerless to resist.

    Here's another component. It's about the role of marketing engineering to shape our entire world (and the way our brains work).

    Hervé drew attention to it in his post #52, here.

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    ... "they" have known it since Bernays (see "A Century of Self" campaign) because of this pervasive human condition:
    [ ... ]
    From Bernays to Cambridge Analytica and Media Matters with David Brock's well laid plan to bring down the whole of the Alt Media.
    Century of The Self was a brilliant (yes, brilliant) 2002 BBC TV documentary series by Adam Curtis on the impact of marketing on our world — and how it's been adopted cleverly and deliberately by those wanting to control and corral us.

    The Avalon thread is here.
    In my post #5 there, back in in 2010, I'd written:

    ~~~
    I'm delighted to see this recommended here.

    CENTURY OF THE SELF is the best documentary series I've ever seen. I can't recommend it highly enough.

    EVERYONE should see Part 3 : compulsory viewing to understand what happened to us all in the latter part of the twentieth century.

    In a couple of very inadequate sentences, it's how the rapidly growing (and threatening) Human Potential Movement of the 1960s and 70s was hijacked by corporate business, and self-aware people were tricked into compromising their new-found sense of personal power and independence by buying products that seemed to reinforce their individuality.

    In one brilliant swoop (researched by the CIA-backed Stanford Research Institute), the threat of the Human Potential Movement was emasculated.

    We might have changed the world: but instead, we were all duped. Learn from this, folks, and don't get fooled again.

    When it was first shown on the BBC in 2002 I was spellbound - and spent a long time trying to find it again. I eventually found it in San Francisco in 2005 where it was shown in a theater as a four hour movie with an intermission. I was indescribably pleased to find it later uploaded to YouTube for all to see.

    Watch this episode and emerge profoundly thoughtful - trust me.


    Self work is ugly and puts serious dents in the ego.

    Manipulation pets the ego in the way that the searching probing entity possesses their given ego based expectations.

    Real life has quandaries that damage the ego and it's position in the self.

    The path of manipulating searchers is to give them grief but pet the ego in ways that the ego can see around the corner on. Us recalling, of course that the ego straddles the unconscious and subconscious functions -and the conscious mind. So, pain as a path but where the ego can see the coming bit of petting and ego stroking. Something that the conscious mind may note but dismiss. Where the ego did the dismissing, but that is not really openly noticed in the given self.

    Human growth requires ego stressing that damages the ego as it exists in us.... and eventually removes it from it's position of primacy. Manipulation does the opposite. When one starts with that as a point, then the way can be seen. The body mind ego thing will always try to find a path with the least stressing and the manipulations will either gently show that easy way out door or window, or blatantly paste it on the front of the paperwork. The body and mind ego package wants lip service to the human growth package - and this is what the manipulators know, and utilize.

    The manipulators also work from the ignorance pathways of the average person and just above that in overall intelligence and speed of thought/learning. Aiming for those of higher intelligence is a different game.



    See that range from 100 to 115, just to the right of the center peak? That's where they work, right there.

    Smart enough to begin figuring things out, too slow to be ahead of master manipulators, and large enough in overall size and influence to integrate with the masses and make a functional wave and mind state. People rotating in, people rotating out, participants able to communicate with one another, and so on. Movements require that sort of positioned mass.

    To grow a movement requires the right soil. That 34% is the right soil. Individualism.... but still with the broad communicable group consciousness effects that the masses live by and through.

    It is the manipulation of the hero's story, as outlined by Joseph Campbell. We see it played out in films, every day, all day.

    We have to be able to see the whole loop, and that's the ego manipulation angle. To see the pain but to also see the path to winning over it.


    Real life has the ego drowning. For real.

    Manipulation, in some way--- shows the way out. Monkey based avatars don't work autonomously any other way. Manipulation understands this and must provide in order to hold the spell. In some way or another, it must provide this.. in order to be effective.

    The body/ego says, as a monkey, "I need to make it to the water today. Is there a lion in the tall grass? This question and answer must be perfect. Other monkeys may even serve as a warning, in their death. But I must survive. I must make it to the water and back." In other words, in the manipulation, the path may be difficult and fraught with some danger but if the whole path is somehow visible and possible and seen, then the ego may allow. And living examples, like the snake oil seller, who has the shills at hand. Success must be visible.

    As an example....I've never dealt with the Corey Goode stuff at all, but if one knows it or looks at it, I expect that it stinks exactly like that pattern.
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    Joe, many thanks for your thoughtful, detailed and interesting post immediately above.

    A question for you, if I may: where will social media (in general) be with alternative content in 5 years' time? What's it all going to be like for us all?

    Do you see Alvin Toffler's future hitting us hard round the head, where few people can cope any more, and all serious content will be drowned in commercially-promoted noise?
    Thanks Bill! I think social media in 5 years will in general will be a system linked to ones financial, medical, and daily living activities- all linked to ones personal information. Alternative content will be flagged with keywords and de-ranked or altogether removed from search. Social media accounts will be linked to discount programs and therefore food and other purchase choices.

    I suspect that mainstream media sources will have funded most alternative media outlets, so available information will be difficult to find. Books will be expensive and rarely read. Video will be the new book.

    Indeed I think Alvin Toffler’s future is an inevitability.

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    Thanks for never selling out Bill

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    Default Re: PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media

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    Joe, many thanks for your thoughtful, detailed and interesting post immediately above.

    A question for you, if I may: where will social media (in general) be with alternative content in 5 years' time? What's it all going to be like for us all?

    Do you see Alvin Toffler's future hitting us hard round the head, where few people can cope any more, and all serious content will be drowned in commercially-promoted noise?
    Thanks Bill! I think social media in 5 years will in general will be a system linked to ones financial, medical, and daily living activities- all linked to ones personal information. Alternative content will be flagged with keywords and de-ranked or altogether removed from search. Social media accounts will be linked to discount programs and therefore food and other purchase choices.

    I suspect that mainstream media sources will have funded most alternative media outlets, so available information will be difficult to find. Books will be expensive and rarely read. Video will be the new book.

    Indeed I think Alvin Toffler’s future is an inevitability.
    Replace the word book with alternative or otherwise media and you have the general idea of what we are up against.

    Quote "Future Shock by Alvin Toffer Chapter 2: The Accelerative Thrust

    Knowledge as Fuel

    The rate at which man has been storing up useful knowledge about himself and the universe has been spiraling upward for 10,000 years. The rate took a sharp upward leap with the invention of writing, but even so it remained painfully slow over centuries of time. The next great leap forward in knowledge acquisition did not occur until the invention of movable type in the fifteenth century by Gutenberg and others. Prior to 1500, the most optimistic estimates, Europe was producing books at a rate of 1,000 titles per year. That means give or take a bit, that it would take a full century to produce a library of 100,000 titles. By 1950, four and a half centuries later, the rate had accelerated so sharply that Europe was producing 120,000,000 titles a year. What once took a century now took only ten months.By 1960, a single decade later, the rate had made another significant jump, so that a century's work could be completed in seven and a half months. And by the mid-sixties, the output of books on a world scale, Europe included, approached the prodigious figure of 1,000 titles per day.
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    I've started this thread in the Personalities in the Alternative Media section. It may belong elsewhere, but it's really about what various personalities are doing to optimize their monetization.

    And it's about 'professional' marketing. Money. Clicks. Quantity. Numbers.
    I find it ironic that you are bringing this subject while your very own forum is being monetized by MrGray.

    Consistently posting single sentences that point towards his personal website that he then makes money off of(which he has admitted to me is why he posts the way he does).

    Now if I want to follow a thread, I am forced to support a person I personally do not wish to support( as he has said holding american citizens without trial is fine in his book). I would link to where he said it, but again it is on his site and I would rather not support people who support clearly unconstitutional things like Guantanamo Bay and holding citizens there for MILITARY TRIBUNALS.

    I can not quote him within the avalon quote system because his words do not actually appear on this site.

    This degrades the value of this forum. Soon we will all just post links to our personal sites instead of on the site directly.

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    Joe, many thanks for your thoughtful, detailed and interesting post immediately above.

    A question for you, if I may: where will social media (in general) be with alternative content in 5 years' time? What's it all going to be like for us all?

    Do you see Alvin Toffler's future hitting us hard round the head, where few people can cope any more, and all serious content will be drowned in commercially-promoted noise?
    Thanks Bill! I think social media in 5 years will in general will be a system linked to ones financial, medical, and daily living activities- all linked to ones personal information. Alternative content will be flagged with keywords and de-ranked or altogether removed from search. Social media accounts will be linked to discount programs and therefore food and other purchase choices.

    I suspect that mainstream media sources will have funded most alternative media outlets, so available information will be difficult to find. Books will be expensive and rarely read. Video will be the new book.

    Indeed I think Alvin Toffler’s future is an inevitability.
    I suspect you are right here. The one thing I would add is that there will be a "social credit" score.

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    Omg, please tell me this is a joke. He must be ****ing kidding.

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    Having a hard time believing Richard is selling out to this extent (but there it is right on front of us).

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    Omg, please tell me this is a joke. He must be ****ing kidding.
    Well Bill did ask where all this is headed in the OP, there’s his answer - $24.95 for a poster with shipping. We can buy a book for that much.
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    Omg, please tell me this is a joke. He must be ****ing kidding.
    Well Bill did ask where all this is headed in the OP, there’s his answer - $24:95 for a poster with shipping. We can buy a book for that much.


    Posters too? Oy vey...(edit: i intially thought the 'hope' thing was a tshirt, having skimmed the thread while at work. well, posters are just as bad)

    It appears we're seeing the end of Dolan the researcher, and the emergence of Dolan the brand.

    No one "sells out" overnight. It's sort of akin to David Icke's totalitarian tiptoe concept, where ideas are presented in a slow drip so as to not alarm the public. It's a subtle dance between seller and buyer, where the seller is ever so slowly hemorrhaging his integrity in a feeling out process with a buyer who is ever so slowly hemorrhaging theirs..which ultimately amounts to an unspoken game of ethics "chicken" to see who'll blink first. It becomes an insidious circle of justification between buyer and seller, and eventually what was previously regarded as "selling out" becomes acceptable and even encouraged under the mantra of "there's nothing wrong with trying to make a buck!"

    And there is nothing wrong with making a buck, so long as you're not selling your soul to do it. It's easy to dismiss a tshirt or poster as being no big deal, but it never ends there, does it? One novelty begets another and another, and as it slowly becomes acceptable, one becomes a novelty. No one notices it happening initially, because it all moves in a slow trickle. Then, one day, someone starts a thread on a forum like ours titled, what the heck happened to Richard Dolan?..and we all queue up to attempt to figure out exactly where it all went wrong.

    Well, it appears to be going wrong now.
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    He definitely has not studied his market, this is a poor promotional choice in my idea. Gosh, we are much too educated (in terms of aware of over selling) for this kind of gimmick.. and having Obama like design equated with truth and Dolan is yet a poorer choice. Albeit, to his defense, this poster scheme has been widely used for many promotional anything.

    Plus, the article you proposed for the Obama poster Bill stipulate that the author of the original poster, who was sued for having used the photograph of another artist, and who was previously pretty anti government, said that Obama really overdid it in terms or being bought off and sold. Which he never believed would happen when he did the poster.

    Quote Fairey has said that his decision to create a portrait of Obama stemmed from Fairey's feeling that Obama's "power and sincerity as a speaker would create a positive association with his likeness........

    In an interview with Esquire in 2015 Fairey said that Obama had not lived up, "not even close," to his expectations. He continued, "Obama has had a really tough time, but there have been a lot of things that he's compromised on that I never would have expected. I mean, drones and domestic spying are the last things I would have thought [he'd support].............

    .As the campaign progressed, many parodies and imitations of Fairey's design appeared. For example, one anti-Obama version replaced the word "hope" with "hype", while parody posters featuring opponents Sarah Palin and John McCain had the word "nope".[15] In January 2009 Paste magazine launched a site allowing users to create their own versions of the poster. More than 10,000 images were uploaded to the site in its first two weeks.[16][17][18]

    Mad magazine parodied the "hope" poster with an "Alfred E. Neuman for President!" poster. Alfred was on the poster, and the word "hope" was replaced with "hopeless". Anti-Gaddafi protesters in Chicago, in solidarity with the 2011 Libyan civil war, have co-opted the image. Dynamite Comics released a four-part crossover with Obama and Ash Williams of their Army of Darkness comics and the Evil Dead films. One of the issues covers had a picture of Ash Williams (played by Bruce Campbell in the films) in the style of the "Hope" poster with the bottom text reading "Hope?".

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    Omg, please tell me this is a joke. He must be ****ing kidding.
    Well Bill did ask where all this is headed in the OP, there’s his answer - $24:95 for a poster with shipping. We can buy a book for that much.


    Posters too? Oy vey...(edit: i intially thought the 'hope' thing was a tshirt, having skimmed the thread)

    It appears we're seeing the end of Dolan the researcher, and the emergence of Dolan the brand.

    No one "sells out" overnight. It's sort of akin to David Icke's totalitarian tiptoe concept, where ideas are presented in a slow drip so as to not alarm the public. It's a subtle dance between seller and buyer, where the seller is ever so slowly hemorrhaging his integrity in a feeling out process with a buyer who is ever so slowly hemorrhaging theirs..which ultimately amounts to an unspoken game of ethics "chicken" to see who'll blink first. It becomes an insidious circle of justification between buyer and seller, and eventually what was previously regarded as "selling out" becomes acceptable and even encouraged under the mantra of "there's nothing wrong with trying to make a buck!"

    And there is nothing wrong with making a buck, so long as you're not selling your soul to do it. It's easy to dismiss a tshirt as being no big deal, but it never ends there, does it? One novelty begets another and another, and as it slowly becomes acceptable, one becomes a novelty. No one notices it happening initially, because it all moves in a slow trickle. Then, one day, someone starts a thread on a forum like ours titled, what the heck happened to Richard Dolan?..and we all queue up to attempt to figure out exactly where it all went wrong.

    Well, it appears to be going wrong now.
    I think some (a lot) of this is Tracey.

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    Omg, please tell me this is a joke. He must be ****ing kidding.
    Well Bill did ask where all this is headed in the OP, there’s his answer - $24:95 for a poster with shipping. We can buy a book for that much.


    Posters too? Oy vey...

    It appears we're seeing the end of Dolan the researcher, and the emergence of Dolan the brand.

    No one "sells out" overnight. It's sort of akin to David Icke's totalitarian tiptoe concept, where ideas are presented in a slow drip so as to not alarm the public. It's a subtle dance between seller and buyer, where the seller is ever so slowly hemorrhaging his integrity in a feeling out process with a buyer who is ever so slowly hemorrhaging theirs..which ultimately amounts to an unspoken game of ethics "chicken" to see who'll blink first. It becomes an insidious circle of justification between buyer and seller, and eventually what was previously regarded as "selling out" becomes acceptable and even encouraged under the mantra of "there's nothing wrong with trying to make a buck!"

    And there is nothing wrong with making a buck, so long as you're not selling your soul to do it. It's easy to dismiss a tshirt as being no big deal, but it never ends there, does it? One novelty begets another and another, and as it slowly becomes acceptable, one becomes a novelty. No one notices it happening initially, because it all moves in a slow trickle. Then, one day, someone starts a thread on a forum like ours titled, what the heck happened to Richard Dolan?..and we all queue up to attempt to figure out exactly where it all went wrong.

    Well, it appears to be going wrong now.
    I agree with you 100% Mike but in my eyes, this is worst than that, not only is he slow dripping selling out, but he does not understand his market, the market that could bring him some decent paycheck. This is much worst. And sad , bad advisers all along. And if it is his wife, he will not want to listen to anyone.

    This is typical of very bright people who have done lots of research on a product, an idea, anything worth it and who decide to sell their product, ideas, etc. They are bright, they think they know how and should not pay for such advice because yes, it is expensive. So they do it themselves of with cheap marketers and they end up killing their market and often their product too.

    I have seen it hundreds of times. You would not imagine how often I was approached by geniuses who had an invention or an idea to promote and-or sell and wanted me to give a hand. But, they would want to keep the control of marketing and sales, would not want to give shares or to pay for the service and would not understand how marketing and sales are sooooooo different from fundamental reseach and ideas, and how expensive it is to have a good market approach. So their stuborness in trying it almost alone or for cheap killed their market.

    So sad to see good people going down this way.

    ( I must say Bill that you have not sold out, but on the marketing side, if you ever wished to be with a larger audience (which you may not have in the past), as you seem to have said in another thread, you could too easily fall in a different but as damaging set of errors. This is what high IQ does. Too sure of one's understanding)

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    We've been talking on this thread about the wisdom (or otherwise) of alt media researchers and commenters utilizing various forms of commercially-driven promotion to try to make their voices better heard above the clamor.

    And we've looked at Alvin Toffler's 'Future Shock' forecast of a world in which more and more people would react and withdraw from an ever-increasing wave of information and accelerating change that they'd be powerless to resist.

    Here's another component. It's about the role of marketing engineering to shape our entire world (and the way our brains work).

    Hervé drew attention to it in his post #52, here.

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    ... "they" have known it since Bernays (see "A Century of Self" campaign) because of this pervasive human condition:
    [ ... ]
    From Bernays to Cambridge Analytica and Media Matters with David Brock's well laid plan to bring down the whole of the Alt Media.
    Century of The Self was a brilliant (yes, brilliant) 2002 BBC TV documentary series by Adam Curtis on the impact of marketing on our world — and how it's been adopted cleverly and deliberately by those wanting to control and corral us.

    The Avalon thread is here.
    In my post #5 there, back in in 2010, I'd written:

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    I'm delighted to see this recommended here.

    CENTURY OF THE SELF is the best documentary series I've ever seen. I can't recommend it highly enough.

    EVERYONE should see Part 3 : compulsory viewing to understand what happened to us all in the latter part of the twentieth century.

    In a couple of very inadequate sentences, it's how the rapidly growing (and threatening) Human Potential Movement of the 1960s and 70s was hijacked by corporate business, and self-aware people were tricked into compromising their new-found sense of personal power and independence by buying products that seemed to reinforce their individuality.

    In one brilliant swoop (researched by the CIA-backed Stanford Research Institute), the threat of the Human Potential Movement was emasculated.

    We might have changed the world: but instead, we were all duped. Learn from this, folks, and don't get fooled again.

    When it was first shown on the BBC in 2002 I was spellbound - and spent a long time trying to find it again. I eventually found it in San Francisco in 2005 where it was shown in a theater as a four hour movie with an intermission. I was indescribably pleased to find it later uploaded to YouTube for all to see.

    Watch this episode and emerge profoundly thoughtful - trust me.


    Self work is ugly and puts serious dents in the ego.

    Manipulation pets the ego in the way that the searching probing entity possesses their given ego based expectations.

    Real life has quandaries that damage the ego and it's position in the self.

    The path of manipulating searchers is to give them grief but pet the ego in ways that the ego can see around the corner on. Us recalling, of course that the ego straddles the unconscious and subconscious functions -and the conscious mind. So, pain as a path but where the ego can see the coming bit of petting and ego stroking. Something that the conscious mind may note but dismiss. Where the ego did the dismissing, but that is not really openly noticed in the given self.

    Human growth requires ego stressing that damages the ego as it exists in us.... and eventually removes it from it's position of primacy. Manipulation does the opposite. When one starts with that as a point, then the way can be seen. The body mind ego thing will always try to find a path with the least stressing and the manipulations will either gently show that easy way out door or window, or blatantly paste it on the front of the paperwork. The body and mind ego package wants lip service to the human growth package - and this is what the manipulators know, and utilize.

    The manipulators also work from the ignorance pathways of the average person and just above that in overall intelligence and speed of thought/learning. Aiming for those of higher intelligence is a different game.



    See that range from 100 to 115, just to the right of the center peak? That's where they work, right there.

    Smart enough to begin figuring things out, too slow to be ahead of master manipulators, and large enough in overall size and influence to integrate with the masses and make a functional wave and mind state. People rotating in, people rotating out, participants able to communicate with one another, and so on. Movements require that sort of positioned mass.

    To grow a movement requires the right soil. That 34% is the right soil. Individualism.... but still with the broad communicable group consciousness effects that the masses live by and through.

    It is the manipulation of the hero's story, as outlined by Joseph Campbell. We see it played out in films, every day, all day.

    We have to be able to see the whole loop, and that's the ego manipulation angle. To see the pain but to also see the path to winning over it.


    Real life has the ego drowning. For real.

    Manipulation, in some way--- shows the way out. Monkey based avatars don't work autonomously any other way. Manipulation understands this and must provide in order to hold the spell. In some way or another, it must provide this.. in order to be effective.

    The body/ego says, as a monkey, "I need to make it to the water today. Is there a lion in the tall grass? This question and answer must be perfect. Other monkeys may even serve as a warning, in their death. But I must survive. I must make it to the water and back." In other words, in the manipulation, the path may be difficult and fraught with some danger but if the whole path is somehow visible and possible and seen, then the ego may allow. And living examples, like the snake oil seller, who has the shills at hand. Success must be visible.

    As an example....I've never dealt with the Corey Goode stuff at all, but if one knows it or looks at it, I expect that it stinks exactly like that pattern.
    These posts are literally brillant and have to be read 2-3 times to get the whole multi-layered gist, in my views.

    Thanks Carmody.

    We have to realise that most who are interested in the deep UFO and deep alternative realities are in fact in the 14% and 2% of the right hand of the right hand side of the graph. This is a totally different market than the usual 34%, and yes, it is not a market that will drive change, unless it impacts in turn on the 34%. This is exactly why Goode succeeded in the beginning, he tapped in the 34% of intelligent enough to understand something else may exist, but not enough to see his manipulations. However once they start seeing, they will turn elsewhere and chase another hopeful goose. This is not Dolan's market.

    Add to this that the 68% in the middle are first and foremost driven by emotions, not by understanding and still less by intuition.
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