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    Thanks aoibhghaire for keeping us posted!

    Looking forward for developing events.

    Altough,Lichtenstein (Stone of Light...sort of...in German,interesting,isn't it) such a small country for such a big event.
    ...small step...giant leap?
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    Unfortunate that Jacques Vallee was unable to attend, but that To the Stars Academy may get involved, representing the US!
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    Thank you so much for this video. Just watched it and so far it has about 1200 views. So sad that true jewels like these that give one hope are not part of mainstream education.

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    Five Continents International Forum is attempting to bring the UFO issue to the United Nations. The next Chinese meeting will be held in Heze mid-2020. This meeting will have the all the representatives from 30 countries. See previous information of this subject on this forum.

    There are government representatives from countries like Granada, San Marino whom are still contenders to make the announcement. But the initiative may have be finally secured by the one country it needs to make the UFO Disclosure announcement to the UN. Prince Hans-Adam II (Prince Regnant of Liechtenstein) is the head of his country has agreed to represent his country and to possibly make the announcement.

    This is the minimum requirement one country and 30 official representatives. The official representatives have been given diplomatic status, this addresses the full requirements to make the announcement. Previous attempts of disclosure back in the 1960s and late 1970s didn’t have such a comprehensive international group as it is now taking place. This work in progress is very much a Chinese cultural approach as compared to the US/UK policy with frequent disinformation announcements for the past 70 years whenever there was public interest.

    The situation is going to be interesting now with the original planned disinformation agents from AATIP/TTSA. Even the Pentagon videos are in dispute. This is becoming a weak situation for western intelligence agents. They are well aware of the Chinese initiative and its becoming stronger.

    The Chinese have let the established international forum open up to who may get involved because of their wealth of international experience in the field. The international part of the forum selected the key persons and got agreements to be representatives for their country. Knowing some of the key participants I don’t think they will allow AATIP/TTSA into the group. The intelligence community are probably trying to design obstacles that may take effect before any announcement. IMHO the Chinese approach may supersede any western attempts.

    The Chinese Initiative disclosure starts from 12.30 mins

    Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWKysekGJU8

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    Former Senator Harry Reid insinuates that "The Chinese" and "K.G.B. Putin" are spending money to investigate the UFO phenomena. (at 0:26 in interview)



    This should make one wonder if there is going to be a coordinated effort to smear China and Russia and any other nation or individual that attempts to wrest control of the story from American and European politicians and from the Western main stream media.

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    Onawah, Just to clarify some points.

    World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCEC) (HQ in Heze, China) criteria has already selected representatives from each country (30 in total) in order to qualify for the requirements needed for Unitec Nations participation and final disclosure. The selection process was only initiated by the international UFO community, not by the Chinese members. My understanding is that each representative is an individual selected based on their historical merits. All representatives have signed an agreement to the criteria of the WCEC goal. Each representative has also agreed to the terms and conditions. This means agencies, groups, etc have not been selected.

    IMHO, the Executive Council are well aware of not entertaining other parties agendas and goals. Example, AATIP/TTSA do not fit the WCEC criteria.

    The country representative declares that it is there personal belief that an extraterrestrial/non-human intelligence is interacting with planet Earth. The UFO/UAP issue is complex but it is important to acknowledge now that it is real and acts with intelligence. The country representative belief is based on circumstantial evidence collected from around the world and the representative is prepared and willing to state this publicly. For example, AATIP/TTSA media communications and policies to the outside world does not underscore the requirements for the selection process and also significantly indicates a hidden agenda that is not aligned to the WCEC policies.

    The four senior positions on the Executive Council for the World Coalition on ET Contact. The votes cast by them were unanimous.
    World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCEC).

    Roberto Pinotti - Vice President.
    Continental Director North America - Don Schmitt.
    Continental Director South America - A. J. Gevaerd.
    Continental Director Europe – Gary Heseltine.

    I don’t know the positions for the other continents.

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    It doesn't bode well that Gary Heseltine is involved, he has been trying to make money with the very fraudulent Larry Warren Rendlesham material (Capel Green), not a good position for an ex-policeman.
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    The diversification of actions and contradictions of statements by witnesses to the Rendlesham forest incidents demonstrates a complete lack of coherence over the last 40 years. In particular, it doesn’t make sense for professional trained military personal whose duty and actions are to provide security at a high level secret nuclear base. On the contrary, not only was there confusion in the actions of witnessing to the events but contradictions of statements after.

    Even insider statements by the SAS after 38 years, alleged it was a prank played on the Americans by the SAS, according to insiders. The SAS were said to have regularly tested US security by probing the perimeters of RAF Woodbridge in Suffolk. Lights and coloured flares were rigged in the woods. Black helium balloons were also coupled to remote-controlled kites to carry suspended materials into the sky, activated by radio-controls. The last 40 years has demonstrated no evidence but circumstantial statements that don’t provide a coherent event(s) of such an occurrence and therefore its quite possible also it may have been a PsyOps.

    Recent statement analysis on the three key witnesses leads to a startling conclusion. There probably was no unidentified object on any night during the Rendlesham forest incidents. The whole scenario was most likely a tale manufactured by U.S. intelligence, intended to conceal details of a classified exercise or operation. The final blow came recently from the .renowned statement analyst expert Peter Hyatt, demonstrating conclusively that it was a deception.

    There is a complete lack of integrity by others whom have a vested interest to make money from this event. This has shown up either as a lack of human discrimination on there part, ignorance and blinded by witnesses contradictory statements over the last 40 years. Of course there are government agendas with some key players whom are well known to the UFO community and in particular, portray the narrative propaganda needed to the MSM.

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    Here is an update with Articles ratified by the international community at Moscow.

    THE FIRST FIVE CONTINENTS FORUM MOSCOW ORGANIZING COMMITTEE

    This was held at the 1st Forum Members' Center held in Moscow of Russia on Oct. 16, 2018

    This followed with the Articles of Association as adopted at the forum.

    The documentation from the meeting is linked below. There are 26 pages. Chinese and English translations.

    Here is a sample from the Articles:

    The Forum is a non-official, non-profit, regular with fixed address ,international organization.

    Article 3 Purposes 1、

    1. To promote and deepen the scientific and technological, cultural, economic exchanges, coordination and cooperation between the region and the rest of the world in five continents.
    2. To provide a high-level dialogue platform for the scientific research, academic, economic, social, cultural environment and other related issues between scholars, governments and enterprises.
    3 To provide services to enlarge economic cooperation between the members of the experts and the members of the enterprise, the members and non-members through the Forum network established between technology community, the academic community, the business community.

    The Articles of Association is formulated in accordance with the spirit of "Declaration of the Five Continents Forum" and "Guidelines for the Charter of the Five Continents Forum".
    The explanation rights to this Articles of Association is owned by the Council to the Forum.

    http://ufo.org.br/imagens/Declaratio...nentsForum.pdf

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    Despite the Coruna 19 virus WORLD COALITION ON EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT (WCEC) NATIONAL DELEGATES are in place.

    This means all 30 delegates from each country, that each country has a representation at the UN. Now that each delegate are not only selected, but have agreed to the mission ahead of presenting the ‘Initiative’ and the consequences there after.

    Presently all delegates are in discussions remotely, some for the first time. The present discussions are in two stages. First discussions are with all delegates to framework the ‘Initiative’. Secondly, this ‘Initiative’ is brought to a successful conclusion by all in China.

    Remember the funding is already in place to not only follow through this mission, but each delegate has the facilities and overhead funded by WCEC HQ in China. i.e. each country delegate has an office and secretary. Details were already posted here on PA in the last 18 months. I don't know the time lines for when the official 'Initiative' will be presented to the UN. It can be appreciated that you won't find any details on the internet, as its still in a working process until the WCEC comes to the announcing the 'Initiative' to the media.

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    The Chinese Initiative has been called off because of two matters. The City of Heze where the WCEC HQ was to be established had a major mining disaster last year that has affected the economy of Heze. Last discussions were in March 2020 and there was no change from last years event. A new city was proposed for to progress the discussions with the 32 country delegates, but the circumstances have prevented any progress. In addition the Coronavirus has also exacerbated the situation.

    The World Coalition on Extra-terrestrial Contact (WCEC) with 32 countries has taken awhile for full agreement from each delegate country. To abandon this historical success would retrograde progress so far. Each delegate had to take an oath to agree to the mission statement and policies of the WCEC.

    During this April 2020, since the launch back in October 2018 in Moscow, it was decided that the (WCEC) should go ahead without China. This was agreed on this month and will be setting up WCEC as an International NGO that would be recognised by United Nations.

    However, in order to launch this initiative at the UN that are some requirements:

    1. WCEC needs to be an INGO.

    2. A selected sovereign state (country) needs to back the initiative and addresses the UN.

    Because China is no longer involved is a disappointment to all delegates, losing out on having the influence of China at the UN, also being part of the Security Council, plus the previous substantial funding to back this type of initiative may be a major set back, but can still be a powerful force if designed another way.

    At present a new manifesto is being developed with the agreed mission statement by all delegates.
    WCEC has 32 delegates from 32 countries. Each delegate has been selected from each country that will act for the WCEC mission. Previous details were posted in PA.

    Discussions have just started with the Republic of San Marino (country) at a high level. Once the WCEC manifesto is agreed upon and finalized this will be submitted to the government of San Marino.

    Just recently the organisation called To The Stars Academy (TTSA) have shown interest of being involved with this initiative through there spokesperson Luiz Elizondo. Discussions have taken place with Luiz Elizondo and two principle delegates from the WCEC.

    Recent discussions of the 32 delegates from WCEC are debating the pros and cons of having TTSA involved. If WCEC and the San Marino government go ahead with the initiative and launch at the UN, the media involvement would be weak for such an important event, in particular, any financial support that was originally established, constrains any significant progress for the future.

    Ufological history has shown that there was never 32 countries plus the President of one country launch UFO/ET subject to the next level on a worldwide basis. There was a UFO committee back in 1978 that wasn’t based on a powerful force of this nature and was unsuccessful for other reasons.

    The specific guidelines of TTSA shows NO mention of ExtraterrestrIal/Alien/UFOs. TTSA strategy in its offering does not mention the WCEC. However, the WCEC had no manifesto at the time of the discussions with TTSA. It would be of know surprise for the TTSA cause to be interested in having the Republic of San Marino support at the UN.

    The policy of TTSA are the following:

    1. Does not allow the ET and Alien or UFOs as mentioned in there remit.

    2. They are part of the government of the United States. TTSA is within the military part with a remit to find the source of the phenomena and discover the ‘treasure’ so to speak. This is a well-known military policy. This isn’t aligned with WCEC and the public’s interest. A TTSA policy of the phenomena is designed with an intent as a threat, which is a false premise but advantageous for military industrial business.

    3. A small faction in the military are for 'Pro Disclosure', however, a slow disclosure is an attempt on their own terms, a well measured strategy for a long duration with no final outcome and consistent frequent disinformation to perpetrate distraction and confusion.

    We have an interesting dilemma that is currently being debated. If the WCEC partner with TTSA plus having the Republic of San Marino backing the initiative, may result with a very different manifesto.

    However, the 'advantage' of having the partnership of TTSA/WCEC/San Marino may result with significant publicity worldwide which also may trigger funding for the WCEC/San Marino.

    This is the current situation with no successful conclusion. However, it will be interesting to see how this unfolds with the present scenario.

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