Child beats and chokes other child to unconsciousness for being a 'rat'

[petra]

Warning - this is kind of disturbing material. Not sure what category to put it, so I chose What Does It Mean? since that's the closest thing to WTF? that we have here.

This happened in my area, so it's hitting close to home.

The actual title is "Violent, manipulative' 14-year-old boy a threat to public, judge rules", but I chose to title this "Child beats and chokes other child to death for being a 'rat'" EDIT AND CORRECTION: She's actually not dead. And I fixed the title.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...923579?cmp=rss

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The boy is just 14 — but his victim was even younger.

In September, he lured a 12-year-old girl to an abandoned building, where he and other youths beat and kicked her and held a knife to her throat.

Then he choked her into unconsciousness.

Now, a Newfoundland judge has sentenced the boy to 10 months — less 30 days for time already served — in secure custody and supervision.

Judge Wayne Gorman acknowledged the boy's troubled life — he suffers from partial fetal alcohol syndrome and was removed from his parents' custody before he was a year old because of their inattention and drug use.

But Gorman rejected Crown and defence suggestions that the boy should be spared secure custody — the judge said he is simply not ready to return to the community.

Rehabilitation is not the only goal

"The rehabilitation of young offenders is one of the primary goals of the Youth Criminal Justice Act, but it is not the legislation's only goal. In a case such as this the goal of protection of the public must also be stressed," Gorman said in his sentencing decision this month.

"He constitutes a danger to the public and his grandmother."
- Judge Wayne Gorman

"He is only 14 years of age and in desperate need of treatment and supervised control."

The boy's grandmother, who has custody, told officials she had limited control over the boy, and fears what he might do to himself and to others when he goes out.

He pleaded guilty, but the judge says he shows no apparent remorse and has a history of violence and disruption — he is described by one official as an "out of control, violent, manipulative youth with no concerns for how his actions affect others around him or any regard for following court orders."

He had 125 "behavioural incidents" in Grade 7, and 66 in Grade 8, when he was only in school for an hour a day.

A psychological report says the boy had said he had been involved "in more fights and beatings than he can remember. He stated he has been stabbed and has stabbed others, that he kicked his adversary on the ground and sometimes gets in street fights for no other reason than satisfaction."

Gorman's sentence includes time for multiple crimes this year — including for breaking windows, for a break-in, and for stealing lottery tickets from a Corner Brook mall kiosk.

Girl described as 'rat'

But it was a Sept. 21 incident that drew most of the judge's attention.

The boy and some other kids skipped school and went to an abandoned building, where they began attacking the 12-year-old girl, who they thought was a "rat."

A knife was put to her throat, she was told to kneel, and she was kicked. She was told the building was a "good place to kill someone" and that her body would not be found.

The 14-year-old boy put her in a chokehold until she passed out, and she was forced into a cooler with a knife against her chest.

On the way back to school, he told her he would kill her if she told anyone. He was arrested the next day.

The Crown and defence had recommended the boy face a sentence of six months of open custody and supervision, with probation. But Gorman said that wouldn't help rehabilitate the boy — or protect the public from him.

"(He) was involved in a premeditated and well planned assault on a 12-year-old girl in order to exact revenge for what (he) felt was her being a rat. (He) has little insight into his actions and has shown little if any remorse. He has shown no empathy for (her)," said the judge.

"He constitutes a danger to the public and his grandmother."

[Bill Ryan]

10 months...??

Five years would be a far wiser judgment, with early release if good (that means GOOD) child psychologists were to confidently evaluate that he really had changed.

[petra]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
10 months...??

Five years would be a far wiser judgment, with early release if good (that means GOOD) child psychologists were to confidently evaluate that he really had changed.

That's sickening too. It's hard to read things like this.....
EDIT: He's still going to be a child in 10 months..... :/

I thought she died, but she didn't and I amended the title.

[DNA]

Is this a case of a sociopath being created, or is it simply happenstance that a genetically predisposed sociopath was born into circumstances that produced the worst possible outcome of a sociopath becoming a psychopath?
If circumstances created the psychopath can circumstances be created where a psychopath can be redeemed and socialized?

Or is the damage done? Once created is a psychopath a psychopath for life?

Is this child destined for life as an abuser, a criminal and more than likely incarcerated for most of his natural life?

[lunaflare]

what is highly disturbing is the pack mentality---the "other youths" involved in such cruelty and violence.
What is their motivation?
A real-life fantasy-video-game?

[enfoldedblue]

This is just terrible! I actually feel sorry for everyone involved. The house that I rent is owned by a grandmother who ended up having 5 grand chidren placed in her custody as their father and mother were addicts. The children who were born addicted to drugs all have severe behaviouall issues. Apparently when children are born addicted to drugs a part of their brain responsible for managing strong emotions does not develop. I know one of the grandsons and he is an amazing kid....but when he feels in anyway belittled or put down he absolutely loses it... to the point that his grandmother is no longer able to care for him and has had to make the heart breaking decision to put him in a group home.

The worst part is that his addict mother has just had her 10nth child. None of them are in her care. 10 damaged children that will struggle to be in this world due to their negative start to life.

I am not posting this to excuse bad behavior.... but merely to point out that the problem is much more complex than what is presented here....as there are physiologically and psychological factors at play...as well as bad decision making that stems way behind the child who is the focus of this story.

[Hazelfern]

Truly sad and sickening the whole lot. This experiment turned to death. Please, why post such horror.

[onawah]

A terrible case, to be sure, but we are going to have be prepared for the huge numbers of autistic children ( 1 in 40 now in the US see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1261534 )
...which are being created daily, largely by vaccines, though the aluminum in chemtrails is also a contributing factor.
The amount of care and supervision they are going to need could bankrupt the US alone if it's not stopped, not to mention other countries.
Autistic people have a different mentality than sociopaths, but are even more needy, and exhausting for the people who must care for them.
There is some healing possible through nutrition, supplements, etc. but there is no known complete reversal process so far.

[Hazelfern]

Hey there O. Autistic child ? By vaccines mostly? Now a killer? Please explain.

[onawah]

Sorry, I don't understand your question--please clarify.

Posted by Hazelfern (here)
Hey there O. Autistic child ? By vaccines mostly? Now a killer? Please explain.

[thepainterdoug]

enfoldedblue/ 10 children? that is insane ! Im not sure what, but something has to be able to be done to prevent that.

[Hazelfern]

Posted by onawah (here)
Sorry, I don't understand your question--please clarify.

Posted by Hazelfern (here)
Hey there O. Autistic child ? By vaccines mostly? Now a killer? Please explain.

My bad. It was too late at night to have a meaningful conversation. That'll teach me. Carry on as you were. 😁

[Flash]

Posted by onawah (here)
A terrible case, to be sure, but we are going to have be prepared for the huge numbers of autistic children ( 1 in 40 now in the US see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1261534 )
...which are being created daily, largely by vaccines, though the aluminum in chemtrails is also a contributing factor.
The amount of care and supervision they are going to need could bankrupt the US alone if it's not stopped, not to mention other countries.
Autistic people have a different mentality than sociopaths, but are even more needy, and exhausting for the people who must care for them.
There is some healing possible through nutrition, supplements, etc. but there is no known complete reversal process so far.

killing or beatiing other children has nothing to do with autism usually Onawah. It has to do with psychopathy, which is not the same.

The child has emotional melt down when opposed, this is not necessarily autism, although autistic do have emotional melt down at times. But psychopaths who are opposed will learn to control themselves enough to survive as adults, but will have melt down as children - those are not like melt down of autistic children who are lost or uusually afraid.

We have to be careful here not to mix the two. And ùi do believe the autistics who have done mass killing were push to do it, most autistic never have enough lack of fear (they are fearsome usually) or enough altogether skills to organise such rampage.

Plus, you may have a double diagnosis, such as autism and psychopathy, but it is extremely rare.

Yes, the amount of time, energy and finance to take care of an autistic child is astonishing. And as those children become adult, there is absolutely no help for them anywhere. Autistic children are the abandoned handicaped of our societies. Absoutely cruel for them and for their families.

[greybeard]

Im inclined to suspect that due to the dose of violence on TV Films etc that children cant always realize the consequences of their actions--it a virtual reality.--in the TV dramas there is some understanding that no one really gets hurt. If a child is fed an hourly does of violence on media--it appears to take on the guise of normality.
The drama so exciting--people love it---conditioning.
Im not denying all the other causes--but they might be tipped over the edge after watching similar on TV.

Chris

[petra]

Posted by Hazelfern (here)
Truly sad and sickening the whole lot. This experiment turned to death. Please, why post such horror.

This was posted because I felt it's important for people on PA to see. Why?

1) To show an example of how children are getting very out of hand

2) To show the reasoning behind why they do what they do

I changed the title for a reason, and that was so we could see HIS reason.

This has deep significance to me, because I am also a "RAT". A great big rat.

[Flash]

Posted by petra (here)

Posted by Hazelfern (here)
Truly sad and sickening the whole lot. This experiment turned to death. Please, why post such horror.

This was posted because I felt it's important for people on PA to see. Why?

1) To show an example of how children are getting very out of hand

2) To show the reasoning behind why they do what they do

I changed the title for a reason, and that was so we could see HIS reason.

This has deep significance to me, because I am also a "RAT". A great big rat.

Well there are pet rats who are cute, loved and gentle lollll. Teasing

[onawah]

It was not at all my intention to imply that the autistic are violent comparable to sociopaths or psychotics.
I was simply underscoring what had already been pointed out, that in the very near future there is going to be a huge burden on society economically and in every other way regarding finding ways to cope with the growing numbers of such individuals, although, of course, the needs of the autistic are different than sociopaths and psychotics.
Drugging them into a state of managability and keeping them confined to institutions will be a humanitarian nightmare, and very costly, yet those are most likely the "solutions" that governments will come up with, at least initially.

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
A terrible case, to be sure, but we are going to have be prepared for the huge numbers of autistic children ( 1 in 40 now in the US see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1261534 )
...which are being created daily, largely by vaccines, though the aluminum in chemtrails is also a contributing factor.
The amount of care and supervision they are going to need could bankrupt the US alone if it's not stopped, not to mention other countries.
Autistic people have a different mentality than sociopaths, but are even more needy, and exhausting for the people who must care for them.
There is some healing possible through nutrition, supplements, etc. but there is no known complete reversal process so far.

killing or beatiing other children has nothing to do with autism usually Onawah. It has to do with psychopathy, which is not the same.

The child has emotional melt down when opposed, this is not necessarily autism, although autistic do have emotional melt down at times. But psychopaths who are opposed will learn to control themselves enough to survive as adults, but will have melt down as children - those are not like melt down of autistic children who are lost or uusually afraid.

We have to be careful here not to mix the two. And ùi do believe the autistics who have done mass killing were push to do it, most autistic never have enough lack of fear (they are fearsome usually) or enough altogether skills to organise such rampage.

Plus, you may have a double diagnosis, such as autism and psychopathy, but it is extremely rare.

Yes, the amount of time, energy and finance to take care of an autistic child is astonishing. And as those children become adult, there is absolutely no help for them anywhere. Autistic children are the abandoned handicaped of our societies. Absoutely cruel for them and for their families.

[Strat]

Posted by petra (here)
This has deep significance to me, because I am also a "RAT". A great big rat.

How so?

My 2 cents on this is it doesn't surprise me, happens all the time. It's a shame. I don't think everyone can be fixed. Such is life.

As to how to prevent this in the future, that's a giant political debate and there are no guarantees.

[Bubu]

Posted by Hazelfern (here)
Truly sad and sickening the whole lot. This experiment turned to death. Please, why post such horror.

because we need to know or be reminded, because we are responsible, because its our fault that despite knowing it exist we still do nothing about it. They (parents and children) are victims of the society we are the society. good parents normally produce good children good society produce good citizens. If something like this happens we have nothing to blame but us.

[greybeard]

PCSO punched in face as 100 youths surround police in County Durham

Police have told parents to "take responsibility for your children" after officers were surrounded by 100 teenagers, with some throwing bricks and letting off fireworks.

A Police Community Support Officer was punched in the face during the fracas in Stanley, County Durham.

Body camera footage shows uniformed officers being quickly surrounded after responding to a report of a "vulnerable female" at the bus station.

An officer is heard saying "we are asking people nicely to move away" before tensions rise and the teenagers are told to "move back now".

Officers remonstrate with the youths, at least one of whom appears to be throwing punches.

Sergeant Emma Kay said there was a "hardcore group of around 20 people who threw bricks, fireworks, and attacked my officers" on Saturday 3 November.

Action will be taken against "all the individuals involved", she added.

She is asking parents to sign up to a text message service which will alert parents when there is trouble in the town centre.

They will be told to collect their kids and take them home.

Sergeant Kay said: "Disorder of this kind is totally unacceptable and violence against our officers will not be tolerated.

"Parents were asked to come and review the footage from the officers' body cams that night and they all agreed the behaviour of the children was appalling.

"We are asking for parents to step up to the plate, take responsibility for your children.

"Do you know where they are, or are they going to bring trouble to your door?"


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/pcso-punch...221400741.html