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    Are ETs BENEVOLENT or MALEVOLENT ?

    A sensible debate on this matter seems necessary as it is an important subject which affects us all.

    RICHARD DOLAN has just done a video (link below) in which he discusses this issue.
    The video is actually in the "Richard Dolan" thread, but could easily be missed by many.

    As Richard states, there are 2 main opposing views on ETs' intentions :-
    1) The DAVID JACOBS (et al) view, which is that they plan to infiltrate us and then probably take over - basically MALEVOLENT.
    2) The BARBARA LAMB (et al) view, which is that they are here to help us "ascend"

    to a better way of life - basically BENEVOLENT.

    Richard (and Tracey, his Wife) currently remain undecided, while we await further verifiable evidence.

    It seems that both sides of the debate could be correct, as there appear to be several different ET races currently visiting planet Earth.
    Alternatively, it could just be our differing perceptions of the phenomena, depending on our differing lifestyles etc.

    However, it is clear that both opposing "camps" agree that ETs are ABDUCTING many people here, and that they are currently engaged in creating human/ET HYBRIDS which are then being integrated into our society !!




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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    To me, I'm firmly in the same camp as Dolan and his wife: I don't believe that they're necessarily one or the other, for several reasons. First, it's all about perspective. Second, it's maybe not so simple as what we think, or what we think we think. If ETs are truly as advanced as they seem, and truly wholly independent of us (I haven't totally ruled out the possibility that this is all some kind of elaborate psyop, though I doubt it highly), then surely we are a lot more limited in our scope of understanding. When we tag wild animals to monitor them as biologists, we may well appear to be monstrous from their perspective, even though we mean the animals no harm.

    One thing that bugs me, though, is how there's a sort of cliché where the unbelivably sexy and angellic Nordic types are our Space Friends, and then the creepy or monstrous looking Greys or Reptilians are Evil. Seems like some kind of tired Disney trope to me.

    In any case, we can never truly know their intentions, even if tomorrow they we're to land in every city bearing gifts of peace. If humans decieve each other all the time, why should we expect any different from ETs?

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    Quote Posted by Indigris (here)
    To me, I'm firmly in the same camp as Dolan and his wife: I don't believe that they're necessarily one or the other, for several reasons. First, it's all about perspective. Second, it's maybe not so simple as what we think, or what we think we think. If ETs are truly as advanced as they seem, and truly wholly independent of us (I haven't totally ruled out the possibility that this is all some kind of elaborate psyop, though I doubt it highly), then surely we are a lot more limited in our scope of understanding. When we tag wild animals to monitor them as biologists, we may well appear to be monstrous from their perspective, even though we mean the animals no harm.

    One thing that bugs me, though, is how there's a sort of cliché where the unbelivably sexy and angellic Nordic types are our Space Friends, and then the creepy or monstrous looking Greys or Reptilians are Evil. Seems like some kind of tired Disney trope to me.

    In any case, we can never truly know their intentions, even if tomorrow they we're to land in every city bearing gifts of peace. If humans decieve each other all the time, why should we expect any different from ETs?
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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    Shouldn't the question be "Which ETs are Benevolent and which are Malevolent?"
    Though it may not be so much a question of being benevolent as much as potentially allied to us.
    And that comes down to which races would want to keep the power of which races to a minimum.
    If a particular ET race is bent on controlling this planet and using it to their own advantage, regardless of what harm they may be doing in the process, then other ET races who are not allied to that race and want to limit their power, would more likely be our allies.
    In that regard, at least, but it still doesn't guarantee that they would be our benevolent protectors.
    But they might want to enlist us in the cause of limiting the power of other, more dominant ET races.
    In other words, a Star Trek Federation kind of scenario, which seems quite likely, according to whistleblowers like the late Bob Dean.
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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    • Are missionaries benevolent or malevolent?
    • Are explorers benevolent or malevolent?
    • Are research scientists benevolent or malevolent?
    • Are politicians benevolent or malevolent?
    • Are teachers benevolent or malevolent?
    • Is the military (pick any country) benevolent or malevolent?
    • Are humans benevolent or malevolent?
    Some clues to the best answer to this ET question might lie there. ^^

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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    Never judge a book by its cover

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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    An interesting question, but maybe ultimately misplaced?

    Do we take 'benevolent' and 'malevolent' towards humans as 'good' and 'bad' respectively? What if in order to restore 'order' or to save the biosystem of this planet (for example) it was necessary to purge a self-destructive ('malevolent') human race from the face of it?

    It strikes me that our perception of 'good' and 'bad', of 'benevolent' and 'malevolent' might be pretty anthropocentric, or skewed, or short-sighted. It strikes me that we may have a pretty childish view of what is 'good' and 'bad'.

    I am not at all sure that what is reported in the Bible when Joshua was about to invade and take Jericho is what it claims to be, and whether the 'Lord' represented there is anything like the true 'Source', or some other superior race (annunaki or what have you), but there is an interesting encounter there with an entity which appears to be of non-human origin:-

    Joshua: Are you for us or against us?
    Entity: Neither. (I have come as commander of YHWH's forces).
    *Overcome, Joshua falls to the ground, face down.*

    You can read it for yourself in Joshua 5:13-15

    If another visiting race does not share our agenda, does that make them 'Bad ET's?

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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    In response to Bill's questions, it seems that the answers depend on people's differing perspectives.

    The last question in particular, "Are humans benevolent or malevolent ?"
    Since it appears that humans are possibly wholly, or at least partially an ET creation, then the ETs may well view us as continually requiring an upgrade.
    (Who could blame them ?)

    Just a couple of points of further note : -

    1) Whatever the reason for "the change" which the ETs have planned for us, there appears to be absolutely nothing that we can do about it.

    2) Roughly 99.9% of the population (that is to say those who do not follow the "alternative community") are completely unaware, or cannot accept this.

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    Quote Posted by boja (here)
    In response to Bill's questions, it seems that the answers depend on people's differing perspectives.
    Well, my point was not about people's perspectives (on other people), but on which people we're talking about.

    Of course, some humans are malevolent, and some are benevolent.

    One can't generalize. I doubt we can generalize about ETs, either.

    And the 'perspective' aspect can frequently be subjective. If you abduct your screaming cat to the vet for an injection (and cats do scream when placed in a carry-basket sometimes; it can be really distressing to hear), you're being benevolent. But the terrified cat might not think so.

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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    Here is one side of the debate.

    ETs are Positive according to Barbara Lamb.



    I believe that Richard Dolan is in the process of setting up a similar interview with Dr David Jacobs, so hopefully we should get the opposing side of the debate very soon.
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    Quote Posted by boja (here)
    Here is one side of the debate.

    ETs are Positive according to Barbara Lamb.

    This is interesting, and Barbara Lamb is a real sweetie. (I met her once, and she really is.) Compared to her, David Jacobs is really quite a hardass.

    But that may well mean that Jacobs is a lot harder to fool.
    Listening to this interview with Barbara (recommended), I got the VERY strong feeling that many of her regression clients who had first reported feeling traumatized, but then later flipped over to feeling very appreciative and even privileged for their experience, was evidence of ETs misinformational, deceptive input into the process.

    In other words: ET mind control, of some kind, while at least some of Barbara's regressions were taking place. David Jacobs' protocols (and personal attitude) might not permit that kind of interference to happen. At the moment, this is my personal hypothesis.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    One can't generalize. I doubt we can generalize about ETs, either.

    And the 'perspective' aspect can frequently be subjective. If you abduct your screaming cat to the vet for an injection (and cats do scream when placed in a carry-basket sometimes; it can be really distressing to hear), you're being benevolent. But the terrified cat might not think so.
    I like this example, because in it, the ET's are ignorant.

    I'm beginning to think of malevolent ET's a bit like idiots. And I imagine the benevolent ones think along the same lines as I do.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This is interesting, and Barbara Lamb is a real sweetie. (I met her once, and she really is.) Compared to her, David Jacobs is really quite a hardass.

    But that may well mean that Jacobs is a lot harder to fool.
    Listening to this interview with Barbara (recommended), I got the VERY strong feeling that many of her regression clients who had first reported feeling traumatized, but then later flipped over to feeling very appreciative and even privileged for their experience, was evidence of ETs misinformational, deceptive input into the process.

    In other words: ET mind control, of some kind, while at least some of Barbara's regressions were taking place. David Jacobs' protocols (and personal attitude) might not permit that kind of interference to happen. At the moment, this is my personal hypothesis.
    "Meet the Hybrids: The Lives and Missions of ET Ambassadors on Earth"

    From the book, I was most interested in 27 year old hybrid, Charmaine D’Rozario-Saytch’s experience of how she was forced to change into her reptilian self. I'm still in the data collecting phase about all this.

    Entertaining and fascinating… but, hard for me to fathom at this time. I’d add, at times I feel larger/taller than my physical shape. I chalk it up to experiencing the auric field.


    Regression with Barbara Lamb, August 2015
    I was seeking information on the two occasions I shapeshifted into my Reptilian form. One was on a military base and the other was in a cave with three Reptilian beings.

    {snip}

    Blue-eyes brings the device to the bed and inserts the two needles into my upper left arm; I can feel liquid pumping in. The sensation is very cold and it seems that the wire coming out the other end of the device is an electrical wire that trails out of the door.

    {snip}

    The men begin to talk and I hear a kind of electrical whirring noise. They are speaking about starting something and I have the sense that the liquid that has been injected into my body is to facilitate an electrical impulse inside my body.

    {snip}

    The sensation is unlike any other I have felt; I can feel my muscles contracting without me actively doing this. My bones feel as if they are stretching, I want to move but cannot, nor can I speak. My skin feels very tight, as if it’s stretching. I can feel my muscles growing, my whole anatomy changing. My fingers feel as if they’re getting longer. I feel my tail begin to emerge and grow, and my skin changes to scales. Throughout the shift I am laying on my back and I feel a certain familiarity about the change although with an unfamiliar sense of it being forced, taking place quickly and painfully. I can feel my nails touching the bed sheet where they have grown longer. My long hair has gone, my eyes have changed, and I can feel the scales on my skin. I am now in full Reptilian form.

    {snip}

    I stand up and see myself in my other form. It feels familiar and comfortable, and I feel good. I notice a full-length mirror to the left of the stairs and look at my reflection. I have dark green scales, yellow eyes with black slits, a muscular body, a tail and increased height and body mass. I feel happy to be in my Reptilian form, but annoyed that the military has forced me to change shape and angry that they are observing me—they do not have a right to. I had not consented to them taking me and forcing me to change shape.
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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    Hard opinions and convictions quite like the rest of mental and physical hardships on Earth do not necessarily point in the right Life direction Space wise.
    The smartest biological human organ -the brain - is soft and fluid, the skull on the other hand is quite hard but you can’t get a word out of it

    As Lao’tze said in the Book about Tao and Virtue , “Things that are soft and flexible lead to Life
    Things that become hard and inflexible lead to Death.
    In nature what is weak and flexible is close to Life
    and what’s hard and obstinant is close to Death”

    Petrified thoughts become repetitive patterns , mantras and dogmas.

    Old Tibetan joke says: “My Karma ( car-ma) ran over your Dogma( dog-ma)”

    It’s what happens to all dogmas at some point.

    Most of the advanced ET communications most of us had ever received were of subtle yet complicated nature ,
    left profound impact ..

    but hardly a damage comparable to human acts of violence.


    Is it not important to realize that the most advanced Life is subtle

    and keep our Minds opened till we ourselves can come to a closure

    till we are on the same level with those other entities and dimensions

    till we experience the confluence of the River of Life


    rather than holding petrified bones and proofs of Death
    proofs of our fears
    and pangs of rebirth.



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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    If we're dealing with something concrete here, maybe friend, maybe foe, or maybe both - the best teachers are the best tormentors, and the best tormentors are the best teachers sometimes, aren't they? Frustration certainly hurts worse than a migraine for me.

    Regression therapy can be helpful, but most therapists that practice it, or at least the responsible ones, look at hypnotic data as their "patient's truth," instead of actual reality.

    I'm über leery of regression therapy when dealing with things that aren't already known, or can't be pinned down easily in time and space, such as past lives or extraterrestrial experiences.

    Sometimes, useful information can come from a patient under regression. Other times, due to the therapist's technique, or the patient's own creative forces, incredible but absolutely untrue things can pour through the faucet.

    I'm not convinced memories stay intact and true to original form in the subconscious mind for all of time, however, the steady focus of a regression can clarify some things that are difficult to access for various reasons, but so can certain drugs and meditative processes.

    Our brain stores experiences, not concrete events, and each time we peek into these experiences, we alter the way we recall them next.

    The subconscious mind is a poet that speaks in analogies, an artist that paints in symbols - yet - it governs the vast majority of our existence like a regimented general. Like any technology, though, it can be programmed, and the programming can influence the output. The subconscious mind can be biased, and thus, influence beliefs and behaviors as a result of this (unconscious imagination.)

    I admire Richard Dolan's research, but I would caution him against putting too much stock into regression data on this sort of topic.

    There's much more to be said about the mechanisms of hypnosis, regression, the nonconscious mind, and altered states of consciousness - maybe another thread another time

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    It's worth noting that many "Experiencers" of the abduction phenomena are NOT HYPNOTISED when they have their regression.
    They have CONSCIOUS recall of their experience.

    Some therapists (including Dr David Jacobs) emphasise that they do not hypnotise their patients.

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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

    Here is the other side of the debate.

    ETs are Negative according to Dr David Jacobs.


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    Quote Posted by boja (here)
    It's worth noting that many "Experiencers" of the abduction phenomena are NOT HYPNOTISED when they have their regression.
    They have CONSCIOUS recall of their experience.

    Some therapists (including Dr David Jacobs) emphasise that they do not hypnotise their patients.
    Your statement about David Jacobs is plain wrong.

    Here is a quote from an earlier book -- "The Threat", chapter 2, emphasis mine:

    Quote I approach abductees individually in search of some new and perhaps revealing information about the phenomenon, although nearly all contribute confirmatory information. For example, in over 700 abduction investigations I have conducted using hypnosis, I have been told of egg-taking procedures almost 150 times, physical examinations about 400 times, Mindscan (staring) procedures about 375 times, and baby and toddler contact 180 times. Some experiences I have heard only occasionally. If I hear anything only once, and I am not yet certain of the thoroughness and veracity of the person who is telling it to me, I withhold a conclusion pending confirmation from other abductees.
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/v...hethread02.htm

    John Mack used hypnosis as well:

    Quote John Mack's UFO work rests in great part on the validity of hypnosis as a tool to recover memory. The cultural uproar over this modus operandi may not resolve itself for years to come.

    Strangely enough, he shrugs off the controversy. "I have such long relationships here at Harvard, they just tolerate me. Of course, I don't know what they say behind my back. But the abduction phenomenon," insists Mack, "gets at the core of who we are. It's traumatic for me as well as others, but it expands us into a different universe."
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/a...essor-the-ufos

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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

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    To me, I'm firmly in the same camp as Dolan and his wife: I don't believe that they're necessarily one or the other, for several reasons. First, it's all about perspective. Second, it's maybe not so simple as what we think, or what we think we think.

    If humans decieve each other all the time, why should we expect any different from ETs?
    Yes, it's hardly likely that humanity are the only lifeforms with this dilemma of harbouring both good and bad.

    Exactly the same as us then, except we would give credence to the fact that humanity can redeem itself so by way of extension it must be applicable to ET's.

    I do wonder whether there is any race of ET's that doesn't either want something or want to learn something from at least one other lifeform ET or otherwise?

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    Default Re: Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent?

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    In any case, we can never truly know their intentions, even if tomorrow they we're to land in every city bearing gifts of peace. If humans decieve each other all the time, why should we expect any different from ETs?
    That's how I feel. It stands to reason they would all have 'motives', and even if it sounds like a good motive (IE: keep us safe) there's could easily be a drawback (IE: Trapped in an illusion)
    If I have to choose between trusting people and trusting ET's, I choose people.

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