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    What is really going on with the arrest of Meng Wanzhou— is it 5G, spying chip in their devices, trade leverage.

    This appears to be very important ........here is 3 takes on it:

    Aljezeera says :

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...091704518.html

    Chinese state-run media on Friday condemned the arrest in Canada of a top executive of telecoms giant Huawei on a US extradition request as a "despicable rogue's approach" to contain China's hi-tech ambitions.
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    CNN says : 1 hr ago

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/tech/...wei/index.html

    Meng Wanzhou, the CFO of Chinese tech giant Huawei, has kept a low profile for much of her career. Now she's at the center of a geopolitical drama between the world's two largest economies.
    The 46-year-old executive was arrested Saturday in Canada, and faces extradition to the United States. After news of her arrest broke late Wednesday, Meng's face was splashed across the internet.
    Meng is the daughter of Huawei's billionaire founder, Ren Zhangfei, and her case threatens to ramp up tensions between Washington and Beijing.
    "The fact that this is Ren's daughter and a very senior official in the company sends a very strong message to China: no one is above US law and we will reach out anywhere in the world and arrest you if you break the law," said Paul Triolo, the head of global tech policy at risk consultancy Eurasia Group.

    Meng Wanzou's arrest follows a US probe into the company's alleged violations of Iran sanctions. She faces a bail hearing in Canada later on Friday.

    The arrest of Meng, chief financial officer and daughter of the company's founder, has angered the Chinese government and raised concerns that it could disrupt a trade war truce between the world's two biggest economies.
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    The United States has asked Canada to extradite a top Chinese tech executive who's accused of Iran sanctions violations – but that seemingly straightforward request could end up spawning a set of complications that prevent Meng Wanzhou from ever setting foot on American soil.

    Wanzhou, the chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies and the daughter of the company's founder, is set to appear at a bail hearing Friday. She was taken into custody last weekend while transferring flights in Vancouver, adding a new layer to the already-tense diplomatic standoff between China and the U.S.
    Beijing has called the arrest a human rights violation and demanded the immediate release of the 46-year-old tech heavyweight.

    If Meng is granted bail Friday, it will likely be in the range of several million dollars and she could be forced to give up her passport and wear electronic monitoring equipment, according to several lawyers interviews by Reuters.

    If Meng chooses not to fight extradition to the U.S., she could be in America within weeks -- though it's unlikely she accepts being transferred to America. If, as expected, she battles extradition, the case could drag on for years, according to Reuters.

    Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang on Thursday said the U.S. and Canada haven’t provided reasons for Meng's detention. However, The Wall Street Journal reported in April that U.S. authorities were investigating whether Huawei violated sanctions on Iran.

    Meng’s arrest was made on behalf of the U.S. after Canadian authorities were given advance warning she would be passing through Vancouver, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau revealed Thursday in his first comments on the case.

    “The appropriate authorities took the decisions in this case,” Trudeau told reporters. “We were advised by them with a few days notice that this was in the works but of course there was no engagement or involvement in the political level in this decision because we respect the independence of our judicial processes.”
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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    More:

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hu...oad-2018-12-06



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    The arrest of Huawei Technologies Co.’s chief financial officer is sure to put a crimp in the Trump administration’s trade truce with China, as that highly sensitive issue gets more so, but investors are nervous about the impact the whole saga will have on Silicon Valley and abroad.

    On Thursday, shares of many chip and fiber-optic companies fell, helping fuel a market downdraft that reversed at the end of the session. Investors fear — with good reason — that the arrest in Canada of Meng Wanzhou, the CFO and the daughter of the founder of one of China’s largest tech giants, on a request for extradition from the United States, will derail the trade truce that presidents Donald Trump and Xi Jingping had agreed to in Buenos Aires. On Wednesday, a former Commerce Department official told Axios that China could retaliate and hold U.S tech executives hostage. He advised U.S. tech executives not to travel to China this week.

    “My biggest worry is escalation,” said Stacy Rasgon, a Bernstein Reseach analyst. “We just arrested the daughter of the founder of the most important tech company in China.”

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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    Ostensibly this is due to the Iran sanctions. But the real reason is probably because Huawei is a major violator of patent/intellectual property protection. They do all they can to steal US patents. Hackers extraordinaire. This whole tariff battle is over China's continued flaunting of international patent law.
    For me, it is long past due that we took on China's stance on this issue. On this, they are truly a rouge nation.

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    Quote Posted by enigma3 (here)
    Ostensibly this is due to the Iran sanctions. But the real reason is probably because Huawei is a major violator of patent/intellectual property protection. They do all they can to steal US patents. Hackers extraordinaire. This whole tariff battle is over China's continued flaunting of international patent law.
    For me, it is long past due that we took on China's stance on this issue. On this, they are truly a rouge nation.
    I am extremely intrigued by this matter for many different reasons and yet there are few details in the MSM about what is really going on.
    You could very well be right about the real reason for the arrest, but then why not call a spade a spade?

    If someone can bring me up to date on how sanctions work in this world I'd appreciate it (in theory and practice).

    Let's say the U.S. imposes sanctions on country 'x'.
    Does that mean that every country in the world (including its de facto enemies) must adhere to the sanctions?

    Let's say Afghanistan imposes sanctions tomorrow on France. Does that mean that every country in the world (including its de facto enemies) must adhere to the sanctions?

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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    Quote Posted by enigma3 (here)
    rouge nation.
    can you please define rouge nation.

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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    Rouge = Red. Red = Communist.

    More likely it's a typo for rogue!

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    @bubu ........ Rogue nation : a state that does not respect other states in its international actions. Synonyms: renegade state, rogue state Type of: body politic, commonwealth, country, land, nation, res publica, state. a politically organized body of people under a single government.

    :a state that does not respect other states in its international actions
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    Rouge: a red powder or cream used as a cosmetic for coloring the cheeks or lips.
    another term for jeweler's rouge.

    ............... Funny, either one applies .........

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    6 hrs ago:


    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/tech/...ase/index.html

    US case against Huawei CFO revealed in Canadian court

    By Julia Horowitz and Scott McLean, CNN Business

    The United States is claiming that the chief financial officer of Chinese tech giant Huawei covered up violations of sanctions on Iran, according to Canadian prosecutors.
    Meng Wanzhou, who was arrested in Vancouver and faces extradition to the United States, is believed to have helped Huawei circumvent US sanctions by telling financial institutions that a Huawei subsidiary was a separate company, prosecutors said at a hearing Friday to determine whether Meng should be released on bail.
    Her lawyer said that she has ties to Canada and is not a flight risk. The judge, after hearing arguments from Meng's lawyer and prosecutors, did not rule on bail. The hearing will resume Monday at 1 p.m. ET.
    Previously, details surrounding why Meng, 46, had been detained were limited due to a press ban. A judge had accepted Meng's request to bar both police and prosecutors from releasing information about the case prior to the hearing. The ban was lifted on Friday.

    A judge in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York issued a warrant for Meng's arrest on August 22, it was revealed at the hearing Friday. She was arrested on December 1.
    Earlier this week, Huawei said Meng was detained by Canadian authorities on behalf of the United States when she was transferring flights in Canada.
    In a statement after Friday's hearing in Canada, Huawei said: "We will continue to follow the bail hearing on Monday. We have every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach the right conclusion."
    The company has said it was "not aware of any wrongdoing by Ms. Meng" and that it "complies with all applicable laws and regulations where it operates."
    In addition to her role as CFO, Meng serves as deputy chairwoman of Huawei's board. She's the daughter of Huawei's founder, Ren Zhengfei.
    Meng's attorney said she would not breach a court order because doing so would embarrass her personally, and would also humiliate her father, Huawei and China itself. He added that the case against Meng had not been fully laid out, even though the US had signed off on her arrest warrant months ago.
    "This isn't some last minute thing," he said.
    Meng did everything she could to be transparent with Huawei's banking partners, and the company always worked to ensure its compliance with sanctions law, her lawyer continued.
    Huawei is one of the world's biggest makers of smartphones and networking equipment and one of China's best-known companies. It is central to the country's ambitions to become a tech superpower.
    But concerns that Huawei devices pose national security risks have hurt its ability to grow abroad.
    The company has been repeatedly singled out by officials in the United States. US intelligence agencies have said American citizens shouldn't use Huawei phones, and US government agencies are banned from buying the company's equipment.
    Huawei is a "bad actor," White House trade adviser Peter Navarro told CNN on Friday.

    Navarro admitted that is was "unusual" that Meng's arrest came just as US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping reached a trade truce in Argentina, but said the government's actions are "legitimate."
    "Let's look at what the indictment says and let the [Justice Department] do its thing," he said.
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    So it appears that when Trump and Xi Jinping were sitting across from each other at dinner the warrant was months old. Everybody knew this was going to happen. Trump had to know, but he said he didn't.

    This has the appearance of some heavy leverage for the trade talks.
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    Quote Posted by ramus (here)
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    ..."The company has been repeatedly singled out by officials in the United States. US intelligence agencies have said American citizens shouldn't use Huawei phones, and US government agencies are banned from buying the company's equipment.
    Huawei is a "bad actor," White House trade adviser Peter Navarro told CNN on Friday."
    Right. But it's perfectly OK for US intelligence agencies (NSA et al) to spy on Americans and citizens worldwide via their phones.
    Does anyone here sense a double standard (assuming there is even any truth to the Huawei security breach).

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    Well if you think we're going to let others do what we do you're mistaken, Huawei is getting to big they have to be stopped, this is the American way.( sarcasm) But there is of course copy right an intellectual thief which the Chinese have been doing since Bill Clinton's days, he even helped them steal.

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    @bubu ........ Rogue nation :

    :a state that does not respect other states in its international actions
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    You mean the action of of a state that defies the action of united nations? but isn't UN owned by the cabal?

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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    Quote Posted by ramus (here)
    6 hrs ago:

    ..."The company has been repeatedly singled out by officials in the United States. US intelligence agencies have said American citizens shouldn't use Huawei phones, and US government agencies are banned from buying the company's equipment.
    Huawei is a "bad actor," White House trade adviser Peter Navarro told CNN on Friday."
    Right. But it's perfectly OK for US intelligence agencies (NSA et al) to spy on Americans and citizens worldwide via their phones.
    Does anyone here sense a double standard (assuming there is even any truth to the Huawei security breach).
    I wonder what brand of phone they replace huawei with something that adhere strictly to their standards so they can do their service to the people.

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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
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    Quote Posted by ramus (here)
    6 hrs ago:

    ..."The company has been repeatedly singled out by officials in the United States. US intelligence agencies have said American citizens shouldn't use Huawei phones, and US government agencies are banned from buying the company's equipment.
    Huawei is a "bad actor," White House trade adviser Peter Navarro told CNN on Friday."
    Right. But it's perfectly OK for US intelligence agencies (NSA et al) to spy on Americans and citizens worldwide via their phones.
    Does anyone here sense a double standard (assuming there is even any truth to the Huawei security breach).
    I wonder what brand of phone they replace huawei with something that adhere strictly to their standards so they can do their service to the people.
    My take: this is an arrest to derail Trump's negotiations with China. I could have waited one or two weeks more, but no, it is done now. Pretty sure it comes from the Clinton group. Unless Trump wants to use it to put pressure on the Chinese, but I doubt it, because it would be a double edge sword then.
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    Personally, I've always thought patent laws were a crime against humanity. I wish more places would flat out ignore them until they are updated to our current reality.

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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    This has nothing to do with the Iran sanctions. That’s merely maskirovka.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.769cb5855ae1


    December 10 at 11:03 AM

    A Chinese tech executive facing fraud charges related to alleged Iran sanctions violations will seek bail on Monday in a Vancouver courtroom, citing health concerns, the latest development in an explosive case that has tested a shaky truce over trade between the United States and China.

    Lawyers for Meng Wanzhou, Huawei Technologies’ chief financial officer and the daughter of the company’s founder, will argue that the 46-year-old should be released on bail because she is in poor health and is unlikely to flee Vancouver because of her close ties to the Canadian city.

    “My father founded Huawei and I would never do anything that would cause the company reputational damage,” she said in an affidavit released Sunday. “I wish to remain in Vancouver to contest my extradition, and I will contest the allegations at trial in the U.S. if I am ultimately surrendered.”

    The decision about whether to grant Meng bail as she waits for an extradition hearing will be closely watched by Washington, Beijing and Ottawa, where her arrest has roiled markets and is at risk of devolving into a broader political dispute.

    Meng was arrested at an airport in Vancouver while traveling from Hong Kong to Mexico on Dec. 1 — the same day that President Trump met Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of a Group of 20 summit in Argentina to discuss ongoing trade tension.

    Meng Wanzhou, Huawei’s chief financial officer, was arrested on a U.S. request because Huawei is suspected of trying to evade American sanctions on Iran.

    Before a packed courtroom on Friday, a Canadian prosecutor argued that Meng committed fraud in 2013 by telling financial institutions that China’s Huawei had no connection to a Hong Kong-based company, Skycom, which was reportedly selling U.S. goods to Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions.

    Meng’s lawyers denied the charges, saying Huawei sold Skycom in 2009.

    Since news of her arrest broke last week, China has called repeatedly for her release, calling her detention a violation of human rights and implying that she was the victim of a cynical U.S. effort to gain leverage over China in the trade war.

    But so far the Chinese side has shown a willingness to keep the issue separate from its ongoing trade dispute with the United States, focusing instead on pressuring Canada to release Meng and stop extradition proceedings.

    Over the weekend, China warned of “severe consequences” for Canada if the country does not immediately release Meng. Chinese officials also summoned the U.S. and Canadian ambassadors to protest the arrest.

    In Meng’s affidavit, said she had a history of hypertension and was briefly taken to hospital after her airport arrest. She said she survived thyroid cancer in 2011 and had surgery related to sleep apnea in May.

    She also stressed her ties to Canada. The affidavit says Meng owns two multimillion dollar homes in Vancouver and notes that her husband and children have spent a considerable amount of time in the city.

    Meng said she would surrender her Hong Kong and Chinese passports and use her homes as collateral to secure her release.
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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    Another interesting take on the arrest.

    Also, Huawei Technology Has No Back Door for NSA to Exploit and Is Being Banned and/or Neutralized Worldwide

    State of the Nation

    The article posted below in its entirety presents an excellent overview of what’s really going on with the shocking arrest of Meng Wanzhou, Chief Financial Officer and Vice Chair of Chinese telecoms giant Huawei. BREAKING: CFO and Vice Chair of Chinese Telecom Giant Arrested “on suspicions that she violated US sanctions against Iran”

    Many embedded links and images, please read at the SOTN site below:

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=110229

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    As usual the saying goes: blame others for what you do. The U.S. is no angel but neither are the Chinese , it's hard to feel sorry for either one. I liked the article from State of the Nation.. thanks latte .
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    Huawei Judge Debates Apt Bail for Chinese Billionaire's Daughter
    By Natalie Obiko Pearson
    December 10, 2018, 2:17 PM EST Updated on December 11, 2018, 7:01 AM EST

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-her-in-canada

    A Canadian judge said Monday he wasn’t satisfied with a bail proposal from the lawyers for jailed Huawei Technologies Co. Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou, who faces a U.S. extradition request.

    Justice William Ehrcke of the British Columbia Supreme Court voiced doubts that Meng’s husband, Liu Xiaozong, could act as her "surety" -- that is, a type of guarantor or “community jailer" who would be responsible for ensuring she meets bail terms and who would lose a proposed C$15 million in cash and properties if she were to violate conditions.

    The judge adjourned the case until Tuesday, saying he wouldn’t give a decision until both sides better addressed "the necessity and/or strong desirability of a surety being a resident of the province." At issue is the fact that Liu doesn’t have the legal immigration status to reside in Canada -- he arrived in Vancouver last week on a multiple-entry visitor visa that expires in February -- meaning there’s no guarantee he would be physically present for an extradition proceeding that could potentially last years.
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    They're getting some mileage out of this, she's in a real pickle, pop some corn the show is far from over.
    As a side note why is it every time a accused white collar criminal gets pinched.. they have such failing health, and can't stay in jail.
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    Meng Wanzhou: Trump could intervene in case of Huawei executive

    12 December 2018 .......... 3hr ago.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46533971



    Donald Trump says he could intervene in the case of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou if it helps to avoid a further decline in US relations with China.

    "Whatever's good for this country, I would do," the US president said.

    Ms Meng, the chief financial officer of the Chinese telecoms giant, was granted bail on Tuesday by a Canadian court.

    She was arrested on 1 December and could be extradited to the US to face fraud charges linked to the alleged violation of sanctions on Iran.

    Ms Meng, 46, denies any wrongdoing and has said she will contest the allegations.

    She is the daughter of Huawei's founder and her detention, which comes amid an increasingly acrimonious trade dispute between Washington and Beijing, has angered China and soured its relations with both Canada and the US.

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    In an interview with Reuters news agency on Tuesday, Mr Trump said he would intervene in the US Justice Department's case against Ms Meng if it would serve national security interests or help achieve a trade deal with China.

    "If I think it's good for what will be certainly the largest trade deal ever made - which is a very important thing - what's good for national security, I would certainly intervene if I thought it was necessary," he said.


    Justice William Ehrcke in Vancouver set bail for Ms Meng at C$10m (£6m; $7.4m).

    Of that, C$7m must be provided in cash with C$3m in collateral.

    The judge said that she would be under surveillance 24 hours a day and must wear an electronic ankle tag. She will be unable to go out between 2300 and 0600 and must surrender all passports and travel documents.

    In the three-day bail hearing in Vancouver, Ms Meng's lawyers sought to provide guarantees that she would not pose a flight risk if released. The application was opposed by Canadian prosecutors.


    US prosecutors say Ms Meng used a Huawei subsidiary called Skycom to evade sanctions on Iran between 2009 and 2014. They allege she had publicly misrepresented Skycom as being a separate company from Huawei. It is also alleged she deceived banks about the true relationship between the two companies.

    Applause broke out in the courtroom when Justice Ehrcke granted bail. Ms Meng cried and hugged her lawyers.

    The judge ordered her to reappear in court on 6 February.

    After the ruling, Huawei issued a statement, saying: "We have every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach a just conclusion."
    How has China reacted to Ms Meng's arrest?

    China, which insists that Ms Meng has not violated any laws, had threatened severe consequences unless Canada released the Huawei executive.

    Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng earlier summoned both the US and Canadian ambassadors and lodged a "strong protest" urging her release.

    The ministry described Ms Meng's arrest as "extremely nasty".

    Separately on Tuesday, it emerged that a Canadian former diplomat had been detained in China.

    Michael Kovrig's current employer, the International Crisis Group, said it was working for his prompt release. There has been no official word from China about his whereabouts.

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canada was in direct contact with Chinese authorities concerning the case.

    Life of Huawei's high-flying heiress

    Mr Kovrig previously worked as a diplomat in Beijing, Hong Kong and at the UN in New York.

    Canadian officials said there was no "explicit indication" of any link between Mr Kovrig's reported detention and the arrest of Ms Meng.
    Who is Meng Wanzhou?

    Meng Wanzhou joined Huawei as early as 1993, when she began a career at her father's company as a receptionist.

    After she graduated with a master's degree in accountancy from the Huazhong University of Science and Technology in 1999, she joined the finance department of Huawei.

    She became the company's chief finance officer in 2011 and was promoted to vice-chair a few months before her arrest.

    Ms Meng's links to her father, Ren Zhengfei, were not public knowledge until a few years ago.

    In a practice highly unusual in Chinese tradition, she adopted her family name not from her father but her mother, Meng Jun, who was Mr Ren's first wife.
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    In Ben Fulford style, my prediction : She will be on a private jet back to China before the hearing, the whole family. Never to return.

    I would not want to be Mr Kovrig ... he's in a bad place in this battle.

    Swap.... come to mind if she doesn't run.
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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/tech/...ion/index.html

    More details of her release:
    On Tuesday, Meng's legal team proposed that the terms of her release could include financial pledges from people in Canada who know her, such as a realtor and insurance agent. Together, they pledged more than $3 million ($2.2 million USD) in home equity and cash, which they'd owe if Meng flees. Her husband also offered to put up the couple's two houses in Vancouver.

    Million-dollar homes and a battle against cancer: What court papers reveal about Huawei's jailed CFO
    The judge agreed to those terms. Of Meng's $10 million bail, $3 million is pledged by her sureties, the people responsible for making sure she complies with the orders set forth by the court. The other $7 million ($5.2 million USD) is a cash deposit from Meng.
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