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    Well, first of all I need to point out that Trump is a dangerous, stupid and egocentric maniac and a narcissist of course.
    Second, Motorola was equipped by th US Government since the first mobile phone, with different hardware chips to ensure spying and other specs.
    Third, this whole blow up America first will backfire America in to the middle age and that's exactly where Trump belongs.
    The only reason why the IQ level in the US is still up high, is because of the Asian and European immigrants. If it where to the Americans only it would be around the IQ of a loaf of white bread. Well the Americans who are on this forum are excluded from this quote off course.
    I feel sorry for you, the hate is ugly ... and speaking of I.Q. I just corrected 8 misspellings & capitalization's in 6 lines....... Look in the MIRROR .
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    As they say: Tit for Tat ... If you think that the .... just-us .. system is bad here read this.

    China ‘arbitrarily’ applies the death penalty to a Canadian citizen, says Trudeau

    Published: Jan 14, 2019 12:43 p.m. ET

    The harsh sentence is seen as retaliation for Canada detaining CFO of Chinese telecom giant Huawei.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...zen-2019-01-14

    BEIJING (AP) — A Chinese court sentenced a Canadian man to death Monday in a sudden retrial in a drug smuggling case that is likely to escalate tensions between the countries over the arrest of a top Chinese technology executive.

    The court in northeastern Liaoning province announced that it had given Robert Lloyd Schellenberg the death penalty after rejecting his plea of innocence and convicting him of being an accessory to drug smuggling. It gave no indication that the penalty could be commuted, but Schellenberg’s fate is likely to be drawn into diplomatic negotiations over China’s demand for the top executive’s release.

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in Ottawa that he is extremely concerned that China chose to “arbitrarily” apply the death penalty to a Canadian citizen.

    In his strongest comments yet against China, Trudeau said “all countries around the world” should be concerned that Beijing is acting arbitrarily with its justice system.

    Schellenberg was detained more than four years ago and initially sentenced to 15 years in prison in 2016. But suddenly last month, an appeals court agreed with prosecutors who said the sentence was too lenient, and scheduled Monday’s retrial with just four days’ notice.

    The Chinese press began publicizing Schellenberg’s case in December after Canada detained Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei 002502, -2.57% , on Dec. 1 at the request of the United States.

    Since then, China has arrested two Canadians in apparent retaliation for Meng’s arrest. Both Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman, were arrested on vague national security allegations. A Canadian teacher was detained but released.

    Schellenberg’s lawyer, Zhang Dongshuo, said his client now has 10 days to appeal.

    Zhang said he argued in the one-day trial Monday that there was insufficient evidence to prove his client’s involvement in the drug smuggling operation. He added that prosecutors had not introduced new evidence to justify a heavier sentence.

    “This is a very unique case,” Zhang told The Associated Press in a phone interview. He said the swiftness of the proceedings — with a retrial held so soon after it was ordered — was unusual, but declined to comment on whether it was related to Meng’s arrest.

    Schellenberg had been prepared for a more severe punishment, so he maintained a calm demeanor in court, Zhang said.

    The court said it found that Schellenberg was involved in an international drug smuggling operation and was recruited to help smuggle more than 222 kilograms (488 pounds) of methamphetamine from a warehouse in Dalian city to Australia. A Chinese person convicted of involvement in the same operation was earlier given a suspended death sentence.

    Fifty people, including Canadian diplomats and foreign and domestic media, attended Monday’s trial, the court said in an online statement.

    In 2009, China executed a Briton, Akmal Shaikh, on charges of smuggling heroin despite his supporters’ protest that he was mentally ill.

    Earlier Monday, a Chinese spokeswoman said Kovrig, the former Canadian diplomat detained in December, does not enjoy diplomatic immunity, rejecting a complaint from Trudeau that the man’s rights were being denied.

    Trudeau said last week that Chinese officials were not respecting Kovrig’s diplomatic immunity. However, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters that Kovrig is no longer a diplomat and entered China on an ordinary passport and business visa.

    “According to the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations and international law, he is not entitled to diplomatic immunity,” Hua said at a daily briefing. “I suggest that the relevant Canadian person carefully study the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and international law before commenting on the cases, or they would only expose themselves to ridicule with such specious remarks.”

    Kovrig, a Northeast Asia analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank, took a leave of absence from the Canadian government.

    Trudeau accused China again on Monday of not respecting longstanding practices regarding diplomatic immunity.

    A former Canadian ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques, said he believes the Chinese likely interrogated Kovrig about his time as a diplomat in China, and that would break the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations. He said there is a notion of residual diplomatic immunity that means a country is not allowed to question someone on the work they did when they were a diplomat.

    He told The Associated Press that “it’s difficult not to see a link” between the case and Canada’s arrest of Meng.

    Washington wants Meng — the daughter of Huawei’s founder — extradited to face charges that she misled banks about the company’s business dealings in Iran. She is out on bail in Canada and awaiting a bail extradition proceeding next month.

    China’s ambassador to Canada accused the country last week of “white supremacy” in calling for the release of the two Canadians, while describing the detentions as an “act of self-defense.”

    However, Hua said the allegation that China arbitrarily detained Canadian citizens is “totally groundless.”

    On Friday, Poland arrested a Huawei director and one of its own former cybersecurity experts and charged them with spying for China. That comes amid a U.S. campaign to exert pressure on its allies not to use Huawei, the world’s biggest maker of telecommunications network equipment, over data security concerns.

    Poland’s move has raised concerns over the safety of its nationals in China, although Hua appeared to brush off such worries, emphasizing China’s desire for the “sound and steady” development of relations with Poland.

    “As long as the foreign citizens in China abide by Chinese laws and regulations, they are welcomed and their safety and freedom are guaranteed,” Hua said.
    We essentially kidnapped a foreigner . She is a POTW --a prisoner of trade war. We should never have kidnapped her under the phony pretext of being a "law and order" society. One phone call to tip her off before she landed in Vancouver, was all that was required, but our pretty boy fool of a PM couldn't get his **** together to accomplish this most tiny work around. What a dope.

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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

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    As they say: Tit for Tat ... If you think that the .... just-us .. system is bad here read this.

    China ‘arbitrarily’ applies the death penalty to a Canadian citizen, says Trudeau

    Published: Jan 14, 2019 12:43 p.m. ET

    The harsh sentence is seen as retaliation for Canada detaining CFO of Chinese telecom giant Huawei.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...zen-2019-01-14

    BEIJING (AP) — A Chinese court sentenced a Canadian man to death Monday in a sudden retrial in a drug smuggling case that is likely to escalate tensions between the countries over the arrest of a top Chinese technology executive.

    The court in northeastern Liaoning province announced that it had given Robert Lloyd Schellenberg the death penalty after rejecting his plea of innocence and convicting him of being an accessory to drug smuggling. It gave no indication that the penalty could be commuted, but Schellenberg’s fate is likely to be drawn into diplomatic negotiations over China’s demand for the top executive’s release.

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in Ottawa that he is extremely concerned that China chose to “arbitrarily” apply the death penalty to a Canadian citizen.

    In his strongest comments yet against China, Trudeau said “all countries around the world” should be concerned that Beijing is acting arbitrarily with its justice system.

    Schellenberg was detained more than four years ago and initially sentenced to 15 years in prison in 2016. But suddenly last month, an appeals court agreed with prosecutors who said the sentence was too lenient, and scheduled Monday’s retrial with just four days’ notice.

    The Chinese press began publicizing Schellenberg’s case in December after Canada detained Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei 002502, -2.57% , on Dec. 1 at the request of the United States.

    Since then, China has arrested two Canadians in apparent retaliation for Meng’s arrest. Both Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman, were arrested on vague national security allegations. A Canadian teacher was detained but released.

    Schellenberg’s lawyer, Zhang Dongshuo, said his client now has 10 days to appeal.

    Zhang said he argued in the one-day trial Monday that there was insufficient evidence to prove his client’s involvement in the drug smuggling operation. He added that prosecutors had not introduced new evidence to justify a heavier sentence.

    “This is a very unique case,” Zhang told The Associated Press in a phone interview. He said the swiftness of the proceedings — with a retrial held so soon after it was ordered — was unusual, but declined to comment on whether it was related to Meng’s arrest.

    Schellenberg had been prepared for a more severe punishment, so he maintained a calm demeanor in court, Zhang said.

    The court said it found that Schellenberg was involved in an international drug smuggling operation and was recruited to help smuggle more than 222 kilograms (488 pounds) of methamphetamine from a warehouse in Dalian city to Australia. A Chinese person convicted of involvement in the same operation was earlier given a suspended death sentence.

    Fifty people, including Canadian diplomats and foreign and domestic media, attended Monday’s trial, the court said in an online statement.

    In 2009, China executed a Briton, Akmal Shaikh, on charges of smuggling heroin despite his supporters’ protest that he was mentally ill.

    Earlier Monday, a Chinese spokeswoman said Kovrig, the former Canadian diplomat detained in December, does not enjoy diplomatic immunity, rejecting a complaint from Trudeau that the man’s rights were being denied.

    Trudeau said last week that Chinese officials were not respecting Kovrig’s diplomatic immunity. However, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters that Kovrig is no longer a diplomat and entered China on an ordinary passport and business visa.

    “According to the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations and international law, he is not entitled to diplomatic immunity,” Hua said at a daily briefing. “I suggest that the relevant Canadian person carefully study the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and international law before commenting on the cases, or they would only expose themselves to ridicule with such specious remarks.”

    Kovrig, a Northeast Asia analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank, took a leave of absence from the Canadian government.

    Trudeau accused China again on Monday of not respecting longstanding practices regarding diplomatic immunity.

    A former Canadian ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques, said he believes the Chinese likely interrogated Kovrig about his time as a diplomat in China, and that would break the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations. He said there is a notion of residual diplomatic immunity that means a country is not allowed to question someone on the work they did when they were a diplomat.

    He told The Associated Press that “it’s difficult not to see a link” between the case and Canada’s arrest of Meng.

    Washington wants Meng — the daughter of Huawei’s founder — extradited to face charges that she misled banks about the company’s business dealings in Iran. She is out on bail in Canada and awaiting a bail extradition proceeding next month.

    China’s ambassador to Canada accused the country last week of “white supremacy” in calling for the release of the two Canadians, while describing the detentions as an “act of self-defense.”

    However, Hua said the allegation that China arbitrarily detained Canadian citizens is “totally groundless.”

    On Friday, Poland arrested a Huawei director and one of its own former cybersecurity experts and charged them with spying for China. That comes amid a U.S. campaign to exert pressure on its allies not to use Huawei, the world’s biggest maker of telecommunications network equipment, over data security concerns.

    Poland’s move has raised concerns over the safety of its nationals in China, although Hua appeared to brush off such worries, emphasizing China’s desire for the “sound and steady” development of relations with Poland.

    “As long as the foreign citizens in China abide by Chinese laws and regulations, they are welcomed and their safety and freedom are guaranteed,” Hua said.
    We essentially kidnapped a foreigner . She is a POTW --a prisoner of trade war. We should never have kidnapped her under the phony pretext of being a "law and order" society. One phone call to tip her off before she landed in Vancouver, was all that was required, but our pretty boy fool of a PM couldn't get his **** together to accomplish this most tiny work around. What a dope.
    Your PM couldn't call, he knew they were listening.

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    Meng Wanzhou scores victory as lawyers allowed to argue U.S. tried to trick Canada

    Quote "Meng Wanzhou scored a victory in her battle to fight extradition Thursday as the judge overseeing the proceedings agreed to let the Huawei executive's lawyers pursue their claim that the United States misled Canada about the basics of the case.

    In a ruling posted online, Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes said there was an "air of reality to Ms. Meng's allegations of abuse of process in relation to the requesting state's conduct."
    ....

    Quote As part of the extradition process, the United States provided a record of the case that includes slides from the PowerPoint presentation Meng gave an HSBC executive in Hong Kong in August 2013.

    But Meng's lawyers claim the U.S. deliberately omitted two slides from the PowerPoint that showed Meng didn't mislead the bank.

    And they also claim that where the U.S. said only "junior" employees knew about the real relationship between Huawei and its subsidiary, senior executives at the bank were also aware.

    In her ruling, Holmes said she would allow two statements from the missing slides to be included as evidence in the extradition case. She also agreed to allow evidence about HSBC's management structure to help determine who is junior and who is not."

    Full article here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ence-1.5782401
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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    Certainly not intending to derail this topic, but to perhaps broaden the picture...

    China is pushing it's way into other countries simalar to the US. Meng is comfortable staying in Vancouver as the Chinese population continues to grow and influence the area. Chinese have bought so much real estate in Vancouver that they have inflated the market to where local Canadians can longer afford to buy a home. Same as is happening in Toronto area.

    It is a subtle battle between superpowers using business as the front cover.

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    Certainly not intending to derail this topic, but to perhaps broaden the picture...

    China is pushing it's way into other countries simalar to the US. Meng is comfortable staying in Vancouver as the Chinese population continues to grow and influence the area. Chinese have bought so much real estate in Vancouver that they have inflated the market to where local Canadians can longer afford to buy a home. Same as is happening in Toronto area.

    It is a subtle battle between superpowers using business as the front cover.
    Capitalism is Capitalism, i guess? The rules are there, if you play by them and someone does better...

    I mean, should ask the real estate sellers? Do they feel wrong about this? Or is just the buyers? It's get's a bit complicated around that point maybe

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