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    Canada is seeking consular access to ex-diplomat detained in China

    12 December 2018

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46532757

    This guy is going to be the swap for China's Ms Meng .....tit for tat ....

    Canada says it is seeking consular access as soon as possible to a former Canadian diplomat who has been detained in China.

    Michael Kovrig was held on Monday by the Beijing National Security Bureau.

    His current employers, the International Crisis Group (ICG), say they are concerned for his health and safety.

    Canadian officials say the reason for his detention remains unclear.

    They do not know where he is being held.

    Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said on Wednesday the case has been raised directly with Chinese officials.

    News of Mr Kovrig's detention came days after Canada arrested Chinese telecoms executive Meng Wanzhou.

    Ms Meng, Huawei's chief financial officer, was released in Vancouver, Canada on Tuesday on C$10m (£6m; $7.4m) bail.

    She was arrested on 1 December and could be extradited to the US to face fraud charges linked to the alleged violation of sanctions on Iran.

    China has demanded that Canada release Ms Meng or face consequences.

    Ms Freeland says that Chinese authorities did not describe the situation with Mr Kovrig as a reprisal.

    She also confirmed during a news conference that her department is aware of a second Canadian who recently reached out to Canadian officials because "he was being asked questions by Chinese authorities".

    "We have not been able to make contact with him since he let us know about this," she said.

    "We are working very hard to ascertain his whereabouts and we have also raised this case with the Chinese authorities."

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    Mr Kovrig has been working since February 2017 as a senior advisor for ICG, a Brussels-based think tank that focuses on conflict reduction research.

    He is on special leave from Canada's ministry of foreign affairs and does not benefit from diplomatic privileges. He was posted as a diplomat in Hong Kong and Beijing between 2012-16.

    The state-run Beijing News newspaper has reported he is being held "on suspicion of engaging in activities that harm China's state security".

    A spokesman for China's foreign ministry said on Wednesday that he had "no information to offer" on Mr Kovrig's case.

    He also claimed that ICG "has not legally registered nor submitted documents for the record in the mainland of China".

    ICG said in a statement that Mr Kovrig is known for "his rigorous and impartial reporting" and is a "noted and sought after contributor on security issues in North East Asia, particularly relating to China, Japan and the Korean peninsula".

    An ICG spokesman said that the organisation has had a presence in China since 2007 but closed their Beijing office in 2016 due to changes in Chinese laws around NGOs.

    Mr Kovrig is based in Hong Kong, but ICG says he regularly visits Beijing to meet with officials and to attend conferences at the invitation of Chinese organisations, and has made frequent appearances on Chinese media.

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    "The U.S., not China, is the real threat to international rule of law"
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...l-rule-of-law/

    "Canada abetting Washington's 'new Cold War' with Huawei arrest, says economist"
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...achs-1.4947966

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    Canada says China has now detained 13 Canadians since the arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou
    January 4, 2019

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/81568...e-meng-wanzhou

    Since Canadian authorities arrested Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou in Vancouver last month at America's request, China has detained 13 Canadian citizens, Canada said Thursday. "At least" eight of them have since been released, though not the first two, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavo, a Canadian official tells Reuters. Western diplomats say China's arrests of Canadians is likely retaliation for Canada's arrest of Meng, daughter of the telecom giant's founder, but Canada says it sees no link between the arrests in China and Canada.

    Meng, 46, has been living in one of her two Vancouver residences since being released on bail Dec. 11. She's fighting extradition to the U.S. to face charges related to violating Iran sanctions.

    There are about 200 Canadians facing ongoing legal proceedings in China after being arrested for various alleged infractions, a number that "has remained relatively stable," the Canadian official tells Reuters. The number of Canadians facing similar legal jeopardy in the U.S. is near 900, the official added. Peter Weber
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    As they say: Tit for Tat ... If you think that the .... just-us .. system is bad here read this.

    China ‘arbitrarily’ applies the death penalty to a Canadian citizen, says Trudeau

    Published: Jan 14, 2019 12:43 p.m. ET

    The harsh sentence is seen as retaliation for Canada detaining CFO of Chinese telecom giant Huawei.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...zen-2019-01-14

    BEIJING (AP) — A Chinese court sentenced a Canadian man to death Monday in a sudden retrial in a drug smuggling case that is likely to escalate tensions between the countries over the arrest of a top Chinese technology executive.

    The court in northeastern Liaoning province announced that it had given Robert Lloyd Schellenberg the death penalty after rejecting his plea of innocence and convicting him of being an accessory to drug smuggling. It gave no indication that the penalty could be commuted, but Schellenberg’s fate is likely to be drawn into diplomatic negotiations over China’s demand for the top executive’s release.

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in Ottawa that he is extremely concerned that China chose to “arbitrarily” apply the death penalty to a Canadian citizen.

    In his strongest comments yet against China, Trudeau said “all countries around the world” should be concerned that Beijing is acting arbitrarily with its justice system.

    Schellenberg was detained more than four years ago and initially sentenced to 15 years in prison in 2016. But suddenly last month, an appeals court agreed with prosecutors who said the sentence was too lenient, and scheduled Monday’s retrial with just four days’ notice.

    The Chinese press began publicizing Schellenberg’s case in December after Canada detained Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei 002502, -2.57% , on Dec. 1 at the request of the United States.

    Since then, China has arrested two Canadians in apparent retaliation for Meng’s arrest. Both Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman, were arrested on vague national security allegations. A Canadian teacher was detained but released.

    Schellenberg’s lawyer, Zhang Dongshuo, said his client now has 10 days to appeal.

    Zhang said he argued in the one-day trial Monday that there was insufficient evidence to prove his client’s involvement in the drug smuggling operation. He added that prosecutors had not introduced new evidence to justify a heavier sentence.

    “This is a very unique case,” Zhang told The Associated Press in a phone interview. He said the swiftness of the proceedings — with a retrial held so soon after it was ordered — was unusual, but declined to comment on whether it was related to Meng’s arrest.

    Schellenberg had been prepared for a more severe punishment, so he maintained a calm demeanor in court, Zhang said.

    The court said it found that Schellenberg was involved in an international drug smuggling operation and was recruited to help smuggle more than 222 kilograms (488 pounds) of methamphetamine from a warehouse in Dalian city to Australia. A Chinese person convicted of involvement in the same operation was earlier given a suspended death sentence.

    Fifty people, including Canadian diplomats and foreign and domestic media, attended Monday’s trial, the court said in an online statement.

    In 2009, China executed a Briton, Akmal Shaikh, on charges of smuggling heroin despite his supporters’ protest that he was mentally ill.

    Earlier Monday, a Chinese spokeswoman said Kovrig, the former Canadian diplomat detained in December, does not enjoy diplomatic immunity, rejecting a complaint from Trudeau that the man’s rights were being denied.

    Trudeau said last week that Chinese officials were not respecting Kovrig’s diplomatic immunity. However, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters that Kovrig is no longer a diplomat and entered China on an ordinary passport and business visa.

    “According to the Vienna Convention of Diplomatic Relations and international law, he is not entitled to diplomatic immunity,” Hua said at a daily briefing. “I suggest that the relevant Canadian person carefully study the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and international law before commenting on the cases, or they would only expose themselves to ridicule with such specious remarks.”

    Kovrig, a Northeast Asia analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank, took a leave of absence from the Canadian government.

    Trudeau accused China again on Monday of not respecting longstanding practices regarding diplomatic immunity.

    A former Canadian ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques, said he believes the Chinese likely interrogated Kovrig about his time as a diplomat in China, and that would break the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations. He said there is a notion of residual diplomatic immunity that means a country is not allowed to question someone on the work they did when they were a diplomat.

    He told The Associated Press that “it’s difficult not to see a link” between the case and Canada’s arrest of Meng.

    Washington wants Meng — the daughter of Huawei’s founder — extradited to face charges that she misled banks about the company’s business dealings in Iran. She is out on bail in Canada and awaiting a bail extradition proceeding next month.

    China’s ambassador to Canada accused the country last week of “white supremacy” in calling for the release of the two Canadians, while describing the detentions as an “act of self-defense.”

    However, Hua said the allegation that China arbitrarily detained Canadian citizens is “totally groundless.”

    On Friday, Poland arrested a Huawei director and one of its own former cybersecurity experts and charged them with spying for China. That comes amid a U.S. campaign to exert pressure on its allies not to use Huawei, the world’s biggest maker of telecommunications network equipment, over data security concerns.

    Poland’s move has raised concerns over the safety of its nationals in China, although Hua appeared to brush off such worries, emphasizing China’s desire for the “sound and steady” development of relations with Poland.

    “As long as the foreign citizens in China abide by Chinese laws and regulations, they are welcomed and their safety and freedom are guaranteed,” Hua said.
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    Huawei denies U.S. violations, ‘disappointed’ by criminal charges

    Published: Jan 28, 2019 11:57 p.m. ET

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hu...ges-2019-01-28

    In the short video they break down the charges of against Huawei.

    Violating Iran sanctions
    Stealing trade secrets
    Paying bonuses for the thief of confidential information
    Stealing robot secrets from T-Mobile, and the theft of T- Mobile's robot arm to reverse engineer it.

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    Just a thought ,

    The Chinese, through Huawei, have been building an international payments system that does not rely on the Khazarian-controlled SWIFT system, and that is what this fight is really about—not “Iran sanctions.”
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    If true this a good reason for her arrest, the Cabal can't have that

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    Looks like my question has been answered ... Will she be extradited, we will see March 6th .. another chip in the trade talks.
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    Canada approves Huawei extradition proceedings, China seethes

    https://www.fidelity.com/news/articl...1QI3MI-OUSBS_1


    OTTAWA (Reuters) - The Canadian government, as expected, on Friday approved extradition proceedings against the chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies Co Ltd, prompting a furious reaction from China.

    Meng Wanzhou, the daughter of Huawei's founder, was detained in Vancouver last December and is under house arrest. In late January the U.S. Justice Department charged Meng and Huawei with conspiring to violate U.S. sanctions on Iran.

    Meng is due to appear in a Vancouver court at 10 a.m. Pacific time (1800 GMT) on March 6, when a date will be set for her extradition hearing.

    "Today, department of Justice Canada officials issued an authority to proceed, formally commencing an extradition process in the case of Ms. Meng Wanzhou," the government said in a statement.

    China, whose relations with Canada have deteriorated badly over the affair, denounced the decision and repeated previous demands for Meng's release.

    U.S. Justice Department spokeswoman Nicole Navas Oxman said Washington thanked the Canadian government for its assistance. "We greatly appreciate Canada's steadfast commitment to the rule of law," she said in a statement.

    Legal experts had predicted the Liberal government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau would give the go-ahead for extradition proceedings, given the close judicial relationship between Canada and the United States.

    But it could be years before Meng is sent to the United States, since Canada's slow-moving justice system allows many decisions to be appealed.

    A final decision will likely come down to the federal justice minister, who will face the choice of angering the United States by rejecting the extradition bid, or China by accepting it.

    Professor Wesley Wark of the University of Ottawa's Graduate School of Public and International Affairs said "the Canadians will take a beating throughout this whole process" from China.

    "I suspect the Trudeau government is desperately hoping that the Americans reach a deal with the Chinese," he said by phone.

    U.S. President Donald Trump told Reuters in December he would intervene if it served national security interests or helped close a trade deal with China, prompting Ottawa to stress the extradition process should not be politicized. Last week Trump played down the idea of dropping the charges.

    After Meng's detention, China arrested two Canadians on national security grounds, and a Chinese court later sentenced to death a Canadian man who previously had only been jailed for drug smuggling.

    Brock University professor Charles Burton, a former Canadian diplomat who served two postings in China, said Beijing was likely to retaliate further.

    "They're not going to take this lying down ... one shudders to think what the consequences could be," he told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp, saying Beijing might crack down on Canadian canola shipments or stop Chinese students from going to Canada.

    Ottawa rejects Chinese calls to release Meng, saying it cannot interfere with the judiciary.

    "The Chinese side is utterly dissatisfied with and firmly opposes the issuance of (the) authority to proceed," the embassy in Ottawa said in a statement.

    Beijing had earlier questioned the state of judicial independence in Canada, noting the government faces accusations that it tried to intervene to stop a corruption trial.

    Canadian Justice Minister David Lametti declined to comment.

    Huawei was not immediately available for comment.

    Meng's lawyers said they were disappointed and described the U.S. charges as politically motivated.

    (Reporting by David Ljunggren; Editing by Tom Brown and Daniel Wallis)
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    What You Need to Know About the Huawei Court Case in Canada

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/w...ou-arrest.html


    Legal experts say Ms. Meng is likely to be extradited, though it could take months for the courts to reach a final decision. Wednesday’s hearing is the first step.

    Joanna Harrington, a professor of law at the University of Alberta, noted that Canada has a track record of granting about 90 percent of extradition requests.


    President Trump may have given credence to this argument when he said he was willing to intercede in the case if that helped achieve a trade deal with China.From the day of Ms. Meng’s arrest, Canada has said it was legally bound to detain her at the request of its ally. Beijing sees it differently.

    Shortly after her arrest, the Chinese authorities arrested two Canadians, Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman. Just days after Canada approved Ms. Meng’s extradition hearing, the Chinese government accused them of espionage.

    The two men have been held in secret detention sites in China with no access to lawyers or visits from their families.

    A third Canadian, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, was sentenced in January to death for drug smuggling.

    All three cases have caused alarm in Canada, where many have pointed to Ms. Meng’s comparatively cushy detainment.

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    What You Need to Know About the Huawei Court Case in Canada

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/w...ou-arrest.html


    Legal experts say Ms. Meng is likely to be extradited, though it could take months for the courts to reach a final decision. Wednesday’s hearing is the first step.

    Joanna Harrington, a professor of law at the University of Alberta, noted that Canada has a track record of granting about 90 percent of extradition requests.


    President Trump may have given credence to this argument when he said he was willing to intercede in the case if that helped achieve a trade deal with China.From the day of Ms. Meng’s arrest, Canada has said it was legally bound to detain her at the request of its ally. Beijing sees it differently.

    Shortly after her arrest, the Chinese authorities arrested two Canadians, Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat, and Michael Spavor, a businessman. Just days after Canada approved Ms. Meng’s extradition hearing, the Chinese government accused them of espionage.

    The two men have been held in secret detention sites in China with no access to lawyers or visits from their families.

    A third Canadian, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, was sentenced in January to death for drug smuggling.

    All three cases have caused alarm in Canada, where many have pointed to Ms. Meng’s comparatively cushy detainment.
    Ms Meng is living in her 5.6 million dollar mansion in Vancouver. She's free to do what she wants in Vancouver as long as she doesn't travel (Bail is set at $10 million). As would be in any similar case, the Canadian courts needs to assess the risk to ms Meng and the entire situation of extradition. If it is deemed the extradition will not put her in harms way and that she will receive fair treatment and a fair trial in the USA, she will be extradited, though the process is long and thorough.

    I'd say it seems likely.

    I don't think the drug smuggler is much related to this - he'd be a criminal in any country including Canada, his accomplice, a British guy, I think, was also sentenced to death. Its a fairly common sentence for drug smugglers in China. The other two are a little more questionable perhaps, but the links seem loose.

    But on another note of potential retaliation, China has blocked and cancelled an import license of a major Canadian Canola producer - this is seen as potentially retaliatory, as Canada's number one importer of Canola is China - this is an action that might actually be intended to send a message.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5021950/c...international/
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    The Game is afoot .... they will play as hard as we do (USA ) ... the article is msm, so there is much that is lacking in it ... after all it is The NY Times ...

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    China’s Huawei calls restrictions by the U.S. government unconstitutional

    Published: Mar 7, 2019 10:00 a.m. ET
    Huawei is challenging a law that labels the company a security risk
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    SHENZHEN, China (AP) — Chinese tech giant Huawei 002502, +5.86% is challenging a U.S. law that would limit its American sales of telecom equipment on security grounds as the company steps up efforts to preserve its access to global markets for next-generation communications.

    Huawei Technologies Ltd.’s lawsuit, announced Thursday, asks a federal court to reject as unconstitutional a portion of this year’s U.S. military appropriations act that bars the government and its contractors from using Huawei equipment.

    It comes as the biggest global maker of network equipment fights a U.S. campaign to persuade allies to shun Huawei. That threatens to block access to major markets as phone carriers prepare to invest billions of dollars in fifth-generation, or 5G, networks.

    The complaint filed in Plano, Texas, the headquarters of Huawei’s U.S. operations, says the law is an unconstitutional “bill of attainder,” or a measure that singles out a specific entity for punishment. It says that denies the company due process and amounts to a “death penalty.”


    ............AND THE BEAT GOES ON ...........

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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    Fasten your seat belts!
    This high stakes drama will drag on for years.

    Expect to see many more Canadians imprisoned in China or worse.
    Also expect to see many more Canadian businesses denied the right to sell to China.

    Any negative results for Meng in extradition hearings in Canada will be appealed. She has hired Canada's top lawyers to defend her.
    Those appeals will go on for years.

    Trump may 'pardon' Meng (drop the case) before he leaves office.

    Get out your popcorn!

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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    Now we know the real reasons for the arrest. To stop the Chinese from overtaking telecom worlwide markets. Has been done by the US to the Canadian outperforming telecom manufacturer in the 90’s.

    But, it is the same game with Chinese, they will do what theyxan to eradicatecompetition as well.

    It is so sad that Canada who has nothing to do with this and everything to lose on either side has been squeeze in the situation by the US.

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    China’s Huawei calls restrictions by the U.S. government unconstitutional

    Published: Mar 7, 2019 10:00 a.m. ET
    Huawei is challenging a law that labels the company a security risk
    By
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    Press

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ch...=mw_latestnews

    SHENZHEN, China (AP) — Chinese tech giant Huawei 002502, +5.86% is challenging a U.S. law that would limit its American sales of telecom equipment on security grounds as the company steps up efforts to preserve its access to global markets for next-generation communications.

    Huawei Technologies Ltd.’s lawsuit, announced Thursday, asks a federal court to reject as unconstitutional a portion of this year’s U.S. military appropriations act that bars the government and its contractors from using Huawei equipment.

    It comes as the biggest global maker of network equipment fights a U.S. campaign to persuade allies to shun Huawei. That threatens to block access to major markets as phone carriers prepare to invest billions of dollars in fifth-generation, or 5G, networks.

    The complaint filed in Plano, Texas, the headquarters of Huawei’s U.S. operations, says the law is an unconstitutional “bill of attainder,” or a measure that singles out a specific entity for punishment. It says that denies the company due process and amounts to a “death penalty.”


    ............AND THE BEAT GOES ON ...........
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    This could be a result of trade talks and the arrest of Huawei senior officer in Canada in December 2018. But as the article reads "considering " selling the 5G chip to apple. Let's not forget that the issue is the back doors that the Chinese build into there tech.

    " It’s unclear if any potential Huawai-Apple deal would run into opposition by the U.S. government, which has called Huawei’s telecom equipment national security risks and has sought to restrict their sales."
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    Huawei reportedly ‘open’ to selling 5G chips to Apple

    Published: Apr 14, 2019 7:56 p.m. ET


    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hu..._theo_homepage

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    Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. is “open” to selling 5G smartphone chips to Apple Inc., the Chinese tech giant’s chief executive told CNBC in a new interview.

    In an interview that aired late Sunday, Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei told CNBC that the company would consider selling its next-generation mobile chips to other smartphone makers, in a potentially big shift in strategy.

    “We are open to Apple in this regard,” Ren said, according to CNBC.

    Apple does not yet have a 5G-capable iPhone. Apple is in a bitter legal battle with chip maker Qualcomm Inc. QCOM, +0.74% , and has been shifting to Intel Corp. INTC, -0.27% mobile chips. But Intel’s 5G chip is reportedly running into delays, jeopardizing Apple’s plans to ship a 5G iPhone next year, a UBS analyst warned last week. That could spur Apple to look for another chip supplier.


    It’s unclear if any potential Huawai-Apple deal would run into opposition by the U.S. government, which has called Huawei’s telecom equipment national security risks and has sought to restrict their sales.

    Huawei reportedly ‘open’ to selling 5G chips to Apple

    Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. is “open” to selling 5G smartphone chips to Apple Inc., the Chinese tech giant’s chief executive told CNBC in a new interview.

    In an interview that aired late Sunday, Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei told CNBC that the company would consider selling its next-generation mobile chips to other smartphone makers, in a potentially big shift in strategy.

    “We are open to Apple in this regard,” Ren said, according to CNBC.

    Apple AAPL, +0.11% does not yet have a 5G-capable iPhone. Apple is in a bitter legal battle with chip maker Qualcomm Inc. QCOM, +1.06% , and has been shifting to Intel Corp. INTC, -0.17% mobile chips. But Intel’s 5G chip is reportedly running into delays, jeopardizing Apple’s plans to ship a 5G iPhone next year, a UBS analyst warned last week. That could spur Apple to look for another chip supplier.

    But even aside from Apple, Huawei’s willingness to sell its 5G chips to other smartphone makers for the first time could have a big impact on Qualcomm and Intel, and create a major new rival to the American chip giants.

    In the interview, Ren called Apple a “great company” and praised its co-founder, Steve Jobs.

    “Mr. Jobs was great not because he created Apple, but because he created an era, the mobile internet era,” Ren said, according to CNBC. “Saying that he was great is an understatement. I think he was super-great.”
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    Now we know the real reasons for the arrest. To stop the Chinese from overtaking telecom worlwide markets. Has been done by the US to the Canadian outperforming telecom manufacturer in the 90’s.
    .. ahhh, Nortel and Blackberry? Yes interesting how those two go caught up in some strange "scandals" and collapsed almost overnight .... I never followed either of these closely but I'd say conspiracy was likely in both those collapses.
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    After the recent ban against the Chinese concern HUAWEI by the US Government also Google, Intel and ARM followed the decision. Main reason for the blacklisting is supposedly HUAWEI's spying efforts and patent steal.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/huawei-...gs-11558550468



    At the surface, it appears that Trump wants primarily to pull production out of China and back to the US.

    Or is the whole circus part of something entirely different?

    A good question to ask on such large scale action is:
    • Who really benefits from it?
    • Which elephant in the room has been overlooked?
    • What else is going on elsewhere that requires that large distraction?

    I am curious, as to what Dark journalist & Joseph Farrell would have to say to this.
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    The same allegations that the US government has against Huawei can be easily applied also on Apple or any other manufacturer that manufactures phones in China. Some European countries and Japan have halted phone orders with Huawei waiting to see how this will play out. The scary part is how Google with Android has a Monopoly on phone software worldwide outside of the Appleverse. Huawei said that they were working on their own operating software but I doubt anyone would buy a phone without Android and of course Apple will never license its IOS to anyone. Maybe they can try to buy the old Palm OS and try to renovate it. At the end this decision won't only hurt Huawei but a lot of other companies that supply them with phone internals.

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    Well, first of all I need to point out that Trump is a dangerous, stupid and egocentric maniac and a narcicist of course.
    Second, Motorola was equiped by th US Government since the first mobilephone, with different hardwarechips to ensure spying and other specs.
    Third, this whole blow up america first will backfire america in to the middleage and thats exactely where Trump belongs.
    The only reason why the IQ level in the US is still up high, is because of the asian and european inmigrants. If it where to the americans only it would be arround the IQ of a loaf of white bread. Well the americans who are on this forum are excluded from this quote off course.

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    Quote Posted by Michael Moewes (here)
    Well, first of all I need to point out that Trump is a dangerous, stupid and egocentric maniac and a narcicist of course.
    Second, Motorola was equiped by th US Government since the first mobilephone, with different hardwarechips to ensure spying and other specs.
    Third, this whole blow up america first will backfire america in to the middleage and thats exactely where Trump belongs.
    The only reason why the IQ level in the US is still up high, is because of the asian and european inmigrants. If it where to the americans only it would be arround the IQ of a loaf of white bread. Well the americans who are on this forum are excluded from this quote off course.
    I hope you felt better after getting this out of your system. But if you really think that Trump or any other president make their own decisions then I don’t know what to tell you.. instead of reacting to the marionette try to look for who is pulling the strings.

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    Default Re: Huawei's Meng Wanzhou faces extradition to US

    In times gone by a nation, desiring to retain its own independence from foreign influence as much as possible, would designate certain production industries as 'strategic' , such as the ability to make guns, planes etc without depending on foreign raw materials, components or tech.

    In our modern age, the components and technology to construct information networks constitute a key strategic industry, and western nations are slowly losing the capability to make modern network infrastructure, due to the competitiveness and superiority of technology coming from the far east.

    The principles of free trade that built the west are now in conflict with the imperative to retain these strategic capabilities at home. This is no small thing. Imagine if China, disgusted at the unjust and warmongering sanctions that we see being imposed by the corrupt west, imposed its own restrictions on the supply of key components, and thus attacked the information systems in the west.Including military systems.

    The notion that chinese components contain secret information harvesting capabilities is assisting Trumps 'make american information sovereign again' strategy. It is not entirely a paranoid conspiracy theory.

    This tech is key. If you are competing with a bloc, who do play hard ball, best not rely on their own products for strategic capabilities.

    We have on the UK threats regarding Huawei products from top Chinese diplomats. They say that if we exclude this company from the tenders there will be 'severe repercussions' . Since when did phone salesmen use the full force of their nations diplomacy to coerce nations into buying their products?
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