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    Lightbulb All you data is OURS - hacking? No HSA/TSA

    We used to get emails, "all you data is ours" - from some purported hacker, saying "you" instead of "your".. a dead give-away one was getting spam, phishing, or some other ploy to get you to open the potentially suspect post.

    BUT if one IS an international traveler, and is going FROM the United States or INTO the United States, and you have an electronic device, read "Cellphone, Computer, or other recording device", your device is subject to inspection. Meaning the device will be read, the data stored and ANALYZED, including your emails (if stored on the device), all your pictures, music, video's, texts, your contact book (and if you have stored your passwords in plaintext) they are all going to end up in the TSA/HSA/Customs and Border Patrol database.

    US Customs and Border Protection is where the offences appear to be happening.

    US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents are being allowed to search travelers’ mobile devices without probable cause.

    The explanation? Well the traveler may be traveling with State Secrets, or Child Pornography. Therefore they have the right they say, to search without probable cause.

    Trawling through data stored locally on a phone or computer is allowed, but anything found solely on the cloud is off limits – and that includes your social media accounts. If they get to your cloud account it was through passwords stored in your device. Or if your cloud account was left open and accessible to your device.

    CBP has 'legal' authority to conduct border searches extends to all merchandise entering or departing the United States, including information that is physically resident on an electronic device transported by an international traveler.

    History - there were only about 4,500 searches in 2015, but in 2016 this jumped to 23,000 searches. CBP maintains that searching travelers’ phones without probable cause protects against child pornography and threats to national security.

    What if you say NO ! -
    Anyone entering the country can refuse to hand over passwords to their phones and laptops when asked, but border officials may detain the devices for ‘further examination’, and any non-citizens risk being denied entry if they do so.

    Automatic Targeting System
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    Over 787 million travelers entered the U.S. in 2016 and 2017, 47,400 of whom had their electronic devices subject to a search, including “advanced searches.”

    Unlike a basic search, which involves visually checking phones, laptops, etc. without downloading anything, advanced searches consist of downloading data onto USB drives and plugging them into CBP’s Automated Targeting System so it can be analyzed.

    They are KEEPING the data -

    According to an Office of the Inspector General (OIG) report, many customs officials are failing to delete travelers’ information from these drives following an advanced search.

    Quote [The Office of the Inspector General] physically inspected thumb drives at five ports of entry.

    At three of the five ports, we found thumb drives that contained information copied from past advanced searches, meaning the information had not been deleted after the searches were completed.

    Based on our physical inspection, as well as the lack of a written policy, it appears [Office of Field Operations] has not universally implemented the requirement to delete copied information, increasing the risk of unauthorized disclosure of travelers’ data should thumb drives be lost or stolen.
    (As noted by Gizmodo, a lot of the report was redacted, including the reasons why an advanced search takes place and what happens afterwards. It’s also noted how U.S. Customs and Border Protection forgot to renew its license for the software it uses to conduct the advanced searches.)


    Is the US the only one doing the electronic strip search? No.

    New Zealand says they can DEMAND passwords for any electronic device.

    https://www.techspot.com/news/69983-...passwords.html
    According to an investigative report by New Zealand's 1 news, airport customs officials routinely force up to two travelers each day to give up their electronic devices and passwords for searching.

    According to the customs agents, the program is designed to look for smugglers by performing a "digital strip search" on the phones and laptops of travelers.

    This does not require a court order, but the agents do claim to adhere to New Zealand's privacy act.

    The searches can be quick or much more extensive depending on the level of danger perceived. One traveler was stopped for five hours and claims he was "made to feel like a terrorist" on his way home from Bali. Agents typically just peruse the data looking for any red flags but they have admitted to also copying it and passing it along to the government and police. According to the customs general manager, agents can seize travelers' devices at any moment and they have tools to break some types of encryption if it is encountered.

    Since 2015 more than 1,300 people have been stopped and searched at New Zealand's three biggest airports. Of these, just under 300 were actually from New Zealand. Chinese and Taiwanese travelers accounted for 360 searches as well.

    If travelers refuse to comply, a bill is currently being considered by parliament to fine them up to $5,000.

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    Default Re: All you data is OURS - hacking? No HSA/TSA

    I was driving across country to help my brother move from the southwest to the northeast.

    It was a three day drive across the country. As a result, I have had the displeasure of driving the width of Texas and smelling swamps.

    It was two white male ages 23-28. The car is loaded down with all of his things. The trip got off to a normal start.
    But then we get to a Border Patrol station in Texas. We get waved over for further inspection. We are asked to get out of the car and then to step away from the car.
    I had taken my phone out of my pocket and put it in the car door because I was not using it. When I got out of the car, I did not pick it up again and as I stepped away from the car I realized this.

    I wanted to be able to document the interaction because I feel it is always best to have video of an interaction in case things go poorly. So I made a move back to get my phone from the car and am told that I am not allowed to do so.
    I tell agent what I am doing and she repeats her command that I am not allowed to go back to the car. So they say we have to go inside the station while they search our car.

    So we comply and go in and they proceed to bring the dog over to the car. They start from the trunk and move clockwise around the car. When they get to back passenger door, they crack it open and try to get the dog to do its thing.
    The dog continues to sniff and pace. (If you know about drug dogs or bomb dogs they sit when they find something)

    They complete the circle around the car. I stopped paying close attention to this office at this point because I know there is nothing inthe car and that I wanted more information about the situation.
    So I ask for a piece of paper and a pencil. They comply and give me. I proceed to ask for their names and badge numbers.
    I get Rodriguez, Ramirez, etc no first names. Then I ask for badge numbers and am told that they do not have bad numbers.
    I then ask for station number or whatever nym they use in order differentiate this particular border patrol post from another, at the very least a phone number.

    That is what I get. A generic phone number.

    At this point, a person exuding authority enters and asks what if he can help. I repeat similar questions to him.
    Same answer and tells me we are free to go.

    I was never hostile just asking questions with clear intent. ( i was very nervous at the time because state authority is terrifying and if you are keeping track they have violated my civil rights numerous times at this point and maybe even statutes when refusing badge numbers, which I am almost positive they must have them)

    I am pretty sure I still have that piece of paper in the brett easton ellis book Glamarama that I was trying but failing to finish. I will try to dig it up if I can.

    My point here is: You dont really have rights and freedom in America if the state decides to move at you. I do not need to lists to the members here the examples of this time and again and again
    It is not just the good and phones at the border. It is driving internally in america from state to state anywhere within X miles from the border(actual distant from border may vary).



    We need to Abolish the Department of Homeland security( that is what the DoD is for, securing the homeland) It was created because of the war on terror we all know is a farce.
    You want to defeat the deep state? Cut off its hands by removing federal agencies that appear to militia to be used against citizens.


    Go look here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._civil_service

    How many of those are G men? How many of those have the authority to do what was done to me?

    Why are you ok with the number of G men who can use violence against you increasing?
    If you support the current potus, the previous or any of them in the last 50 years, then you are implicitly ok with more G men who can violate your rights at will.

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    Default Re: All you data is OURS - hacking? No HSA/TSA

    I've been on the "hacker side" of "too much access" before, and it's not pretty - it's frightening. I guarantee you, for every bit of data stored, there's someone with too much access to it.

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    Default Re: All you data is OURS - hacking? No HSA/TSA

    All is going, so far, pretty much according to their well-laid and long-standing programs.

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