+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

  1. Link to Post #1
    Scotland Avalon Member scotslad's Avatar
    Join Date
    18th September 2018
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    151
    Thanks
    446
    Thanked 1,050 times in 145 posts

    Default Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    a factory robot in China maimed employee after malfunctioning -



    It is estimated that by 2022:
    • Jobs predicted to be displaced: 75 million
    • Jobs predicted to be created: 133 million
    • Share of workforce requiring re-/upskilling: 54 per cent
    • Companies expecting to cut permanent workforce: 50 per cent
    • Companies expecting to hire specialist contractors: 48 per cent
    • Companies expecting to grow workforce: 38 per cent

    Full story here = https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-worker.html

  2. The Following 16 Users Say Thank You to scotslad For This Post:

    Ba-ba-Ra (14th December 2018), Bill Ryan (14th December 2018), Bruno (14th December 2018), cursichella1 (15th December 2018), drneglector (16th December 2018), guayabal (14th December 2018), happyuk (15th December 2018), Inversion (14th December 2018), jjjones (14th December 2018), justntime2learn (14th December 2018), Nasu (14th December 2018), peterpam (17th December 2018), petra (14th December 2018), Rosemarie (15th December 2018), toppy (14th December 2018), Zanshin (21st December 2018)

  3. Link to Post #2
    Avalon Member guayabal's Avatar
    Join Date
    5th January 2011
    Location
    Cali, Colombia
    Age
    44
    Posts
    168
    Thanks
    1,952
    Thanked 540 times in 131 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    and the machines and tools used to save his life and many others were also made using robots

  4. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to guayabal For This Post:

    Ba-ba-Ra (14th December 2018), Bill Ryan (14th December 2018), DeDukshyn (14th December 2018), jjjones (14th December 2018), justntime2learn (14th December 2018), toppy (14th December 2018)

  5. Link to Post #3
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    20,167
    Thanks
    66,285
    Thanked 255,753 times in 18,607 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Jeez. A note here, though, for the sake of groundedness: it wasn't that the robot suddenly went wild and somehow attacked the guy. It malfunctioned, and part of its robot arm fell off on to the employee. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    It was a horrific accident, but horrific industrial accidents (involving any kind of machinery one can think of) unfortunately do happen all the time.

  6. The Following 16 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    avid (14th December 2018), Ba-ba-Ra (14th December 2018), Bruno (14th December 2018), guayabal (14th December 2018), Jean-Marie (14th December 2018), jjjones (14th December 2018), justntime2learn (14th December 2018), Nasu (14th December 2018), peterpam (17th December 2018), petra (14th December 2018), scotslad (14th December 2018), seko (16th December 2018), toppy (14th December 2018), Tyy1907 (14th December 2018), Yoda (14th December 2018), Zanshin (21st December 2018)

  7. Link to Post #4
    Canada Avalon Member
    Join Date
    7th July 2016
    Location
    Newfoundland, Canada
    Age
    39
    Posts
    1,360
    Thanks
    4,699
    Thanked 4,279 times in 1,208 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    I know nothing of robotics, but wouldn't it make sense to have one or two or eleven safeguards to prevent against this kind of thing? Probably too expensive...

  8. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to petra For This Post:

    Ba-ba-Ra (14th December 2018), Bruno (14th December 2018), guayabal (14th December 2018), toppy (14th December 2018)

  9. Link to Post #5
    Canada Avalon Member DeDukshyn's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd January 2011
    Location
    From 100 Mile House ;-)
    Age
    45
    Posts
    7,683
    Thanks
    24,616
    Thanked 31,740 times in 6,870 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    I know nothing of robotics, but wouldn't it make sense to have one or two or eleven safeguards to prevent against this kind of thing? Probably too expensive...
    The machine broke and fell on him. Not much you can do about that level of malfunction. Its like trying to prevent your car from breaking down on the highway. We have all these safeguards, sensors, warning lights, etc. in our cars to help us prevent these things. but we'll never be able to eliminate a car breaking down on the highway here and there.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

  10. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to DeDukshyn For This Post:

    Ba-ba-Ra (14th December 2018), guayabal (14th December 2018), Nasu (14th December 2018), petra (14th December 2018), scotslad (14th December 2018), toppy (14th December 2018), Zanshin (21st December 2018)

  11. Link to Post #6
    Australia Avalon Member
    Join Date
    23rd June 2011
    Age
    39
    Posts
    971
    Thanks
    235
    Thanked 3,348 times in 753 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    its chinese so nothing suprise...

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to apokalypse For This Post:

    Ba-ba-Ra (14th December 2018), toppy (14th December 2018)

  13. Link to Post #7
    Canada Avalon Member
    Join Date
    7th July 2016
    Location
    Newfoundland, Canada
    Age
    39
    Posts
    1,360
    Thanks
    4,699
    Thanked 4,279 times in 1,208 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    I know nothing of robotics, but wouldn't it make sense to have one or two or eleven safeguards to prevent against this kind of thing? Probably too expensive...
    The machine broke and fell on him. Not much you can do about that level of malfunction. Its like trying to prevent your car from breaking down on the highway. We have all these safeguards, sensors, warning lights, etc. in our cars to help us prevent these things. but we'll never be able to eliminate a car breaking down on the highway here and there.
    I didn't consider something breaking down to be a malfunction, but it technically is, isn't it.

    "working as intended" .... Shameful

  14. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to petra For This Post:

    Ba-ba-Ra (14th December 2018), DeDukshyn (14th December 2018), scotslad (14th December 2018), toppy (14th December 2018)

  15. Link to Post #8
    Canada Avalon Member Ernie Nemeth's Avatar
    Join Date
    25th January 2011
    Location
    Toronto
    Age
    61
    Posts
    3,359
    Thanks
    14,749
    Thanked 19,860 times in 3,136 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    If I built it I guarantee such a thing would never happen. The arm falling off is due to negligence. Robotics are all just 'plug and play'. Someone forgot to tighten some screws...
    If not now, then when?

  16. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Ernie Nemeth For This Post:

    Bruno (14th December 2018), DeDukshyn (14th December 2018), petra (17th December 2018)

  17. Link to Post #9
    Canada Avalon Member DeDukshyn's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd January 2011
    Location
    From 100 Mile House ;-)
    Age
    45
    Posts
    7,683
    Thanks
    24,616
    Thanked 31,740 times in 6,870 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    I know nothing of robotics, but wouldn't it make sense to have one or two or eleven safeguards to prevent against this kind of thing? Probably too expensive...
    The machine broke and fell on him. Not much you can do about that level of malfunction. Its like trying to prevent your car from breaking down on the highway. We have all these safeguards, sensors, warning lights, etc. in our cars to help us prevent these things. but we'll never be able to eliminate a car breaking down on the highway here and there.
    I didn't consider something breaking down to be a malfunction, but it technically is, isn't it.

    "working as intended" .... Shameful
    Technically yes, its a type of malfunction.

    When we imagine a robot "malfunctioning", for some reason likely related to watching TV as a child, we imagine it going rogue and attacking people in a robotic fit of rage or a sudden consciousness and realization of its slavery to man, or something along those lines ... the movie "i - Robot" comes to mind.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to DeDukshyn For This Post:

    guayabal (16th December 2018)

  19. Link to Post #10
    Canada Avalon Member Ernie Nemeth's Avatar
    Join Date
    25th January 2011
    Location
    Toronto
    Age
    61
    Posts
    3,359
    Thanks
    14,749
    Thanked 19,860 times in 3,136 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Another thing, though, is the programming. This is an unanticipated maneuver that had no code to provide instructions. A severed robot arm firing over half a dozen massive darts is a logical inconsistency.
    Never should have happened.

    Another thing we were discussing was who is the nut case that agrees to work side-by-side with a dumb robot of extremely limited capacity that is shooting spikes around your head, anyway?

    I would laugh if someone suggested I do anything remotely as crazy...
    If not now, then when?

  20. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Ernie Nemeth For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (15th December 2018), DeDukshyn (15th December 2018)

  21. Link to Post #11
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    20,167
    Thanks
    66,285
    Thanked 255,753 times in 18,607 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Another thing, though, is the programming. This is an unanticipated maneuver that had no code to provide instructions. A severed robot arm firing over half a dozen massive darts is a logical inconsistency.
    Never should have happened.

    Another thing we were discussing was who is the nut case that agrees to work side-by-side with a dumb robot of extremely limited capacity that is shooting spikes around your head, anyway?

    I would laugh if someone suggested I do anything remotely as crazy...
    It didn't actually 'shoot' the spikes! They were all attached to a plate on an arm that fell on him. (That was detached when the poor guy was taken to emergency surgery. You can see how the spikes were all bolted on.)

    But this isn't the only serious robotic accident. There have been others, including deaths. Some have involved a moving 'robot' that didn't do what it was meant to do, or was supposedly limited to do.

    As with all heavy power machinery, this environment is dangerous. I'd imagine that in the routine repetitive monotony of a production line, workers can easily become blasé to the potential hazards around them; that happens on many construction sites, too.

  22. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    cursichella1 (15th December 2018), DeDukshyn (15th December 2018), Ernie Nemeth (15th December 2018), justntime2learn (15th December 2018), Magnus (16th December 2018), Rosemarie (15th December 2018), Sunny-side-up (15th December 2018), Yoda (15th December 2018)

  23. Link to Post #12
    Canada Avalon Member DeDukshyn's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd January 2011
    Location
    From 100 Mile House ;-)
    Age
    45
    Posts
    7,683
    Thanks
    24,616
    Thanked 31,740 times in 6,870 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    It didn't actually 'shoot' the spikes! They were all attached to a plate on an arm that fell on him. (That was detached when the poor guy was taken to emergency surgery. You can see how the spikes were all bolted on.)

    .
    I was wondering how they actually did that (detach the base part of whatever they where bolted into) - poor guy must have been in a world of pain through that process!
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

  24. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to DeDukshyn For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (15th December 2018), Bruno (17th December 2018), Ernie Nemeth (16th December 2018)

  25. Link to Post #13
    Wales Avalon Member
    Join Date
    8th October 2012
    Location
    Wales, UK
    Age
    50
    Posts
    426
    Thanks
    1,954
    Thanked 2,066 times in 390 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Industrial robots are treated as any other dangerous machinery. They are immensely powerful and are usually forced to shutdown until the user is outside of the cage it operates in.

    I once heard of an incident in a British university where a robot was being used to demonstrate how it could open a fridge door, take out a can of beer and hand it to a person.

    Unfortunately the handle came off the fridge door and with the robot not being smart enough to sense this punched a hole through the fridge door and presented the whole fridge to the person!
    Last edited by happyuk; 15th December 2018 at 09:52.

  26. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to happyuk For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (15th December 2018), Bruno (17th December 2018), Ernie Nemeth (16th December 2018), Sunny-side-up (15th December 2018)

  27. Link to Post #14
    Canada Avalon Member Ernie Nemeth's Avatar
    Join Date
    25th January 2011
    Location
    Toronto
    Age
    61
    Posts
    3,359
    Thanks
    14,749
    Thanked 19,860 times in 3,136 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    I have worked in these plants before, although it is not my area of expertise.

    Fomat, in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada, has seven automated lines when last I worked there. Each line had many robots on them, with no humans at all. The line is operated remotely from a central location not far off, but well out of the circumference of danger. Every area of every line is fenced off so there is no way to accidentally wander into danger. There are big red buttons everywhere, just the same, that anyone can push that will immediately shut down the entire line.

    I was working on the commissioning of line seven. That line was shut down for the duration of my job. My job was running control wiring between field components and the control room.

    The noise was tremendous and the activity furious.

    Fomat makes various structural components for the auto industry here in Canada...
    Last edited by Ernie Nemeth; 16th December 2018 at 17:18. Reason: wrong city
    If not now, then when?

  28. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Ernie Nemeth For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (16th December 2018), Bruno (17th December 2018), scotslad (17th December 2018)

  29. Link to Post #15
    Scotland Moderator Billy's Avatar
    Join Date
    27th January 2011
    Location
    Scotland
    Age
    65
    Posts
    5,880
    Thanks
    45,434
    Thanked 27,364 times in 4,358 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Ouch. The photo only shows 6 spikes but there was a total of 10 spikes that penetrated the poor man. One spike missed a major artery by 1 cm. -------- <that is 1 cm
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


    Peace

  30. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Billy For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (16th December 2018), scotslad (17th December 2018)

  31. Link to Post #16
    Canada Avalon Member
    Join Date
    7th July 2016
    Location
    Newfoundland, Canada
    Age
    39
    Posts
    1,360
    Thanks
    4,699
    Thanked 4,279 times in 1,208 posts

    Default Re: Artificial Insanity - Chinese Factory Robot nearly kills employee

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    If I built it I guarantee such a thing would never happen. The arm falling off is due to negligence. Robotics are all just 'plug and play'. Someone forgot to tighten some screws...
    NEGLIGENCE! That's the word..

    How IRRESPONSIBLE!! I think that's why this makes me so mad. Sorry for cynicism here, this is just disgusting.

    EDIT: By the way, I wouldn't have built that POS either

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts