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    Default "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    No, don't be concerned: I'm fine.

    But the rate at which information is coming at us all is NOT.

    This thread is in The Human Condition, but it might be under Technology, or The Internet. It actually started as a prospective post in PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media (an important thread, I'd contend) but then I thought it deserved its own thread... at least for the moment.

    Here's the question. Who else feels the same thing?

    I'd thought of putting it in the PURSUING X: Marketing, money and manipulation in the Alternative Media thread, because a lot of this is about marketing.

    To be more specific, the urgent, scramble-to-keep-up feeling that many content providers have (like researchers who upload regular YouTube videos, and/or do weekly podcasts) — that they have to compete. And for them, to compete means publishing more and more and MORE.

    All these people are competing for YOUR attention. Can you feel it?

    Here's the really big problem. I can't keep up — I have more YouTube videos 'downloaded for later' than I'll ever watch, simply being realistic — and I don't even have a family or an office job. So for most people, they have NO CHANCE.

    And what that means is that even for those who are motivated to somehow keep in touch as best they can with whatever's happening, they only get tiny fragments. No in-depth analysis: and the tiny fragments they get might be the wrong fragments.

    And carefully reading well-researched books from cover to cover? Forget it.

    It means that very few people now have any deep understanding of many subjects. They just skip along the surface, like a flat stone skimming on water. Just read a few dozen YouTube comments, tweets, or Facebook posts. It's clear to see.

    Despite the vast library all around us, most people know virtually nothing about anything. It's true.

    This is all a signal-to-noise problem, of course. It'd be bad enough even if all the information that was hurtling at us was detailed, accurate, and high quality. But it's not. 95% (or more!) is facile, misleading, empty, shallow, or false.

    And it's only going to get worse. Less would be more here. 'More' is NOT more. 'More' is actually becoming less and less.

    For reference (apologies to those who are aware I've mentioned this several times now), we have Alvin Toffler's seminal and prophetic Future Shock, written in 1970.

    He predicted that the rate of change of change itself would increase steadily, as would the sheer quantity of information inexorably coming at us — with little scope for us to be able to turn off the fire hose.

    And he predicted that many people would go into a kind of 'shock', and would retreat, simply not being able to cope any more. They'd retire into a small personal corner, and focus almost exclusively on what was very near at hand. Very little else.

    Who else is nearing this point? Do please share how you find yourself feeling.
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Absolutely spot on Bill.

    We have no chance. God knows within my circle I've tried, but to no avail.

    Where does it all lead to. Personally I haven't got a clue but just standing back and watching all unfold and semi enjoying the ride.

    What will be will be. Can we change it?

    PS I work 50 hours per week. You can guess what I do in my spare time.

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    There is quite simple solution for this: 1st. It helps to understand how we are wired, pretty simple psychology you know. 2nd. Fomo, dopamin addiction, positive feedback loops and especially ADT. 3rd. When understanding these, start limiting online-time and the problems should start to vanish in a few days or so. 4th. But folks, be warned: It's pretty much the same like with any addiction; too easy to get back to old bad habits and be as / more addicted than before.

    Stay safe and control your screen time!
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    No, don't be concerned: I'm fine.

    But the rate at which information is coming at us all is NOT.

    And he predicted that many people would go into a kind of 'shock', and would retreat, simply not being able to cope any more. They'd retire into a small personal corner, and focus almost exclusively on what was very near at hand. Very little else.

    Who else is nearing this point? Do please share how you find yourself feeling.

    The wife and I retired and did just that. Stay at home, now with 26 cats feeling the overload of TMI (too much information). To disconnect further we rarely go out to eat but fix our own at home, we stopped going on vacations and neither of us have been to visit our respective families in many years and have no plans to visit soon. Mostly that is because of Facebook because quite honestly I know more about my family, much that I could have done without really and would rather not know just from that than I could ever gain from actually being there and visiting.

    People say the technology shuts you down making one become nothing less than a twitchy hermit and perhaps it's true! It is no longer even necessary to get up and so much as walk to the Colliers or Britannica encyclopedias I have because that and more is right there at your finger tips with a few clicks!

    I was looking through my own 'watch later' list and that alone is enough for a months worth of steady viewing so I certainly understand Bill. Not enough time in a day!
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Quote Posted by Arak (here)
    There is quite simple solution for this: 1st. It helps to understand how we are wired, pretty simple psychology you know. 2nd. Fomo, dopamin addiction, positive feedback loops and especially ADT. 3rd. When understanding these, start limiting online-time and the problems should start to vanish in a few days or so. 4th. But folks, be warned: It's pretty much the same like with any addiction; too easy to get back to old bad habits and be as / more addicted than before.
    Stay safe and control your screen time!
    Thanks! I fully agree.

    But this isn't about social media or smartphone addiction. That's another problem.

    Here's an exact example. I can no longer keep up with Richard Dolan or Linda Howe. Let alone Alex Jones, or anyone who's commenting on 'Qanon'. (I abandoned 'Q' long ago. I want, and only have time for, clear, concise information. There's no time even for the good stuff, let alone cryptic, enticing, go-nowhere riddles.)

    There's too much. It never used to be like this.

    I'm not an addict. I'm just trying to keep abreast of the subjects I'm interested in. If I turned off my internet for a few days... I'd just be even further behind.

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Boy, do I ever understand. I've been a voracious reader and doer for all of my life. I have a wide variety of interests and semi-talents and always enjoyed them. But, my books have always been my best friends.

    Fast forward to an awakening five years ago. My quest to understand what had happened led me to the internet, and to this site, which is positive.

    However, it (the internet) is threatening to be my undoing. It's to the point where I can't stand technology. There is so much going on and so much pertinent to what I went through that I am on brain overload. And to make it worse, my life blew up so a lot of what kept me busy is gone.

    There are certainly enough things, aside from the internet, to keep me busy for many lifetimes, but part of the issue is having no one to talk to.

    It's a great thread Bill. I have been struggling with this lately. I feel I am learning a tremendous amount, but not retaining things as I used to. That is distressing to me. I've always loved to learn.

    I deliberately shut myself away from it for periods of time, but it's always there and hard to stay away because it's how the world communicates now. I really am getting to the point where I intensely dislike all of it.

    I'm just not sure what to do about that. I deliberately don't have a cell phone for that reason, but it's not enough. I'm on overload.

    Edit: I want to add that I have always kept hand written journals, written letters or typed them and visited book stores. All of that art seems to be escaping me now. And the thing is, those things are permanent. I have journals and drawings in books from relatives that are almost three hundred years old. What happens when we no longer have those things, to remind us of who we are?
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    I gave up about five months ago, after five long hard years of going hammer and tongs at it. I keep telling myself you have to get back into it but I feel like I am standing by a fast flowing river and all these interviews, documentaries and videos are flowing past me and I have no idea when to jump back in and catch up with my previous flow.

    My energy has gone. I used to read at least a book a week, go through 20 plus videos a day easily and not get tired but actually energised. Now i find myself watching old interviews I have watched before, nothing new. It does feel like information overload, I often ponder why it came to a halt, and if I can turn the wheels again, like I used to.

    I really do miss the chase, the hunt for the truth.

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Quote Posted by sunwings (here)
    I gave up about five months ago, after five long hard years of going hammer and tongs at it. I keep telling myself you have to get back into it but I feel like I am standing by a fast flowing river and all these interviews, documentaries and videos are flowing past me and I have no idea when to jump back in and catch up with my previous flow.
    That's a perfect metaphor. If one follows a researcher or presenter (e.g. Richard Dolan or Linda Howe, in my own case), and one falls too far behind because they've accelerated their output, then one becomes demotivated to catch up.

    There are far too many content producers who have zero understanding that this is what they're doing to their followers.

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    In any investigation Holmes needed to have a way to sort thru it all, sift what was obvious, key, "noise"/irrelevant..

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Eventually, it wont matter at all. And very soon. In the time we are here it is only brief second. Nothing really.

    But we know that, deep down but we make up excuses for no good reason.

    Even if we were to solve all the problems of the world, so what, what would we do then?
    Question Everything, twice or maybe trice..........

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    In his most recent 'Intelligent Disclosure' weekly livestream, Richard addresses me personally, but not by name. Go to 1:22:37.


    My reply:
    • Rich, listen. You may just LOVE doing what you're doing every week. And yes, you may not have been so engaged in this subject for years. I'm quite sure all that's true.

      But if you did a live, on-stage presentation, and talked really fast non-stop for 6 hours, you'd really love it and be personally super-engaged as well. However, you might lose your audience somewhere along the way!

      It's always okay to mention my name. Not a problem. It deserves to be discussed. It's important, and you're making mistakes. There's a phenomenon happening here which you may be unaware of.

      And DO read Future Shock. That is, if you have enough time!

      Your good friend and colleague ~ Bill
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Since this society is set up for commerce, and since information is commercially valuable, this ever increasing flow of information is a threat to the establishment. The need to contain the threat is an endeavor of paramount importance because of the unpredictable nature of possible inventions, breakthroughs, and discoveries.

    Since information cannot be fully throttled it must be handled in a different manner. One would be to mix false information in with the growing influx of data. Another would be to attempt to divert attention away from potentially dangerous information by using professional sceptics, talking heads with the official stance on all manner of topics, sensationalism of many stripes, entertainment, and many others to distract and occupy the public's mind.

    Information today is mostly fluff anyway. A billion clamoring voices cannot be trusted to disseminate useful information.

    Everyone is confused. No one knows enough to even discern the veracity of most claims, or be confident of any sort of universal truth, let alone assemble an entire model of reality. Our understandings are merely borrowed tidbits from strangers. No one knows the origin of our knowledge first hand - they inherit it, and trust that it has been verified and vetted by those in the know.

    But everyone inherited the same knowledge, so even the 'authorities' could have massive blind spots and never be aware of it.

    I do not know the answer. I can only say that truth feels right, no matter what others may say. It is best just to toss the rest aside.

    And from what I can gather there is not much in this society that feels right.

    It is the premise that guides comprehension. The premise in this society is to acquire tangible assets. That is what the information hurled at us reflects, no matter who the author.

    The biggest picture has no dollar signs in it at all. If that were our premise the information would make more sense. It is the context we live that makes the information senseless. If our lives were sensible, the information would also be comprehensible.
    If not now, then when?

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    I was always a voracious reader, even throughout my lecturing career. Saved amazing books to re-read which fired my ‘awakedness’, people like Chet B Snow ‘Mass Dreams of the Future’ where instead of regression, subjects were ‘progressed’ into the future. Then came timeline research, and Dan Burisch’s ‘Looking Glass’ teasers, all mingled up with Serpo, Project Camelot and ultimately here and now.

    Now I have to be more selective, even though retired, there are only so many hours in a day, I often read in the sleeping hours, it isn’t right. I am now aware of folk ‘fighting back’ scientifically which I admire immensely. They are having success utilising Tesla tech, it really is amazing.

    It is exhausting being awake and aware now, as very few have time to rationalise what’s really going on, my older neighbours and friends have ‘sussed’ as they knew how it was before... The younger generations are almost oblivious, so terribly sad....
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    I've definitely been feeling a bit lost recently.
    It's not just information overload, it's feeling almost like I have no internal point of reference anymore.
    The worst part is, as Valerie said, not having anyone to talk to who comes close to sharing this reality (other than here on Avalon).
    I wanted for so long to live in an intentional spiritual community, but spirituality has morphed into something so different for me since I became a conspiracy theorist starting with 911, that I think there would be a danger of feeling isolated in such a community now. It would have to be a combination spiritual/sustainable/conspiracy research community!
    Fortunately, being an INFJ, it's not as hard for me as most to live alone, but it gets tedious at times.
    The following is an excerpt from the Wingmakers material that I posted the other day on another thread.
    (I've put it in red letters in that other post, so it can be found more easily; this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1263231 )
    "The seeking of information is over. The seeking of a master, guru, religion, spiritual path, or wayshower is over. The seeking of objects of blame is over. The seeking of hidden information behind the dark forces is over. It is the expression of the Sovereign Integral consciousness and the deactivation of the suppression framework that becomes the focus of each individual in this new era."
    That's in a thread I started entitled "The Divine Feminine starting here:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...31#post1263231
    ...But just after I started that thread, I began re-reading the Wingmakers material; specifically, the Fifth Interview with Dr. Neruda: https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-conten...r.-Neruda1.pdf
    ...which is resonating with me a great deal more than it did when I first read it in 2014.
    It was very prophetic of the incredible amount of change we have seen in the last 5 years, of humanity being corralled into an increasingly transhumanist paradigm.
    I've just started feeling a bit like I'm coming around again, with a new orientation, and that material is helping.
    Not that I agree with all of it, but enough of it, at least, to feel like I'm connecting more to something like what Don Juan Matus called the "assembly point", referred to here: http://eden-saga.com/en/the-assembly-point.html

    The way forward may be this: "The WingMakers write about the heart virtues as the behavioral construct for this time, and how these words can be applied and lived, not simply held in the head as a worthy concept. Appreciation or gratitude, compassion, humility, forgiveness, understanding and valor or courage. It is the combination of nowness—being in the now—and applying these words in our behaviors. It’s being impeccable in this practice.”
    (I also put those in red letters here in the other thread, in this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1263854

    Perhaps the present glut of information isn't for the likes of old conspiracy theorists to keep up with, but for newcomers who won't feel inspired to go back to read the original research, and need something more timely to get them engaged. Though it's such a difficult field to pursue, with no many dots to connect before any of it seems plausible or comprehensible, I am not surprised that the younger generations are not showing much interest or enthusiasm--it's so hugely challenging.

    ( I don't intend to keep on including long excerpts in my posts, but I wanted to copy some of the material here on the forum in hopes others might be finding some solace in the material, and perhaps feeling prompted to discuss it. Not sure if The Divine Feminine is the right name for that thread anymore, though it was a good starting point, anyway... )
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Time to buy a cottage in the woods, practice self sustenance, turn fully spiritual, and build a network of like-minded people.

    When people stop getting caught up in the "drama", the "drama" will no longer drive reaction, and the insanity in the world that is created by a controlling few by wielding this "drama" to create the reaction, will cease to exist. The question is whether enough people can practicably do this to actually have that effect ... might still be a while yet.

    Edit:
    I believe that the rate of change increase (I fully see this and it has been a concern of mine for many years) will be a catalyst for great change. Either a great global spiritual enhancement (perhaps a memory / learning) to thrive in this new era of information (evolutionary), or, great technological trans-human advancements that will allow similar but through the physical itself.

    Could possibly be a combination of both.

    I can see this making a good movie ...
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    I've had a very hard time keeping up at work the last 20 years having gone through 3 mergers for which I currently work for the largest freight logistics company in the world, and it is only getting worse. Doing too much with too little. Unfortunately, the theme seems to be bigger, better, stronger, faster. Thing is...bigger isn't always better and people are merely dots on a spreadsheet.

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    I feel I am stuck in the eye of an information tornado that just blew apart the tidy home of consensus reality. It may have been an illusion but it was cozy. I am trying to cope with all the alternative media cow pies flying by by ignoring most of them. Even though they're flying high in terms of audience doesn't mean they aren't bull****.

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Time to buy a cottage in the woods, practice self sustenance, turn fully spiritual, and build a network of like-minded people.

    When people stop getting caught up in the "drama", the "drama" will no longer drive reaction, and the insanity in the world that is created by a controlling few by wielding this "drama" to create the reaction, will cease to exist. The question is whether enough people can practicably do this to actually have that effect ... might still be a while yet.

    Edit:
    I believe that the rate of change increase (I fully see this and it has been a concern of mine for many years) will be a catalyst for great change. Either a great global spiritual enhancement (perhaps a memory / learning) to thrive in this new era of information (evolutionary), or, great technological trans-human advancements that will allow similar but through the physical itself.

    Could possibly be a combination of both.

    I can see this making a good movie ...
    The post of a crackpot. Perfectly put.

    Gaia TV and Pursuing X killed it for me anyway, my interest in what’s around had been wavering for a couple of years. I have more literature than I could possibly read in this lifetime and I’m blesssed to know some truly authentic people, so I’m not about to waste time wading through muddy waters looking for the latest ‘truth’.

    @Richard Dolan Bill’s head is screwed on just fine. Interesting that your response was defensive, crude and reductive, since only the truth hurts in situations such as these.
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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    I, too, can easily get sucked into this mad frenetic world of information overload. However I realised a short while ago that it is a choice that I am making if I allow myself to become too involved with it.

    I have four lovely cats that I share my home with. I really like the peaceful serenity that cats usually exude. They spend much time, every day, in what I describe as a restful or even meditative state. However, for a few minutes every day they get really active/playful and are often seen 'chasing their own tail'. I suspect if they could articulate to me why they were doing something that is obviously so futile then they would tell me that they found chasing their tail fun. I see a lesson for me there... they don't frantically chase the unobtainable for a disproportionate amount of time and (I believe) they know why they are doing it!

    When I was younger I used to dislike going to restaurants where there was a buffet. I never felt like I had eaten as wholesomely at a buffet as I did in a regular meal. There were too many bite-sized delicacies that were attractive to the eye but when combined on a plate as 'a little bit of everything' they didn't complement each other and create the feeling of satisfaction of a well balanced meal with fewer items. Nowadays when I am faced with a buffet I am selective in what I choose. I try to create the best meal I can from a few of the offerings and deliberately try and ignore the existence of many of the available items. I find buffets more enjoyable as a consequence (but still prefer those restaurants that offer a menu choice of 'complete' meals). I see offerings of 'truth' available on the internet today in a similar way. There are too many buffets out there and not enough restaurants when it comes to finding out 'truth' about a particular subject.

    I am currently not engaged in a full time job and have complete control over how I spend my days. Throughout the 24 years of my last full time job (as a teacher) I witnessed the increasing flow of information that I was supposed to keep abreast of in connection with that job. Very little of that information was either helpful or useful to the core of my job but it was time consuming (wasting) to keep up with. I get the impression that other jobs have experienced a similar increase in this constant flow of 'information'. I have a hunch that this is no accident (although I have no evidence to support this). It makes sense to me that societal engineers don't want people to be able to reflect on anything of importance. "Keep the workers busy in the rat race so as they can't see what is really going on" may well be their maxim. I see this creeping into the flow of information now available on the internet as well!

    Since I don't have to make any decisions/ choices (in real time) with much of the information that I can access online it isn't actually important to me to 'keep up' with what information is out there. To pick one particular example of current affairs information available, I have 'followed' this Q phenomena for the last few months. It is massively time consuming to pick through it and decipher if it is genuine or fake. I can make very compelling arguments for either side. Similarly I can make very compelling arguments for the case that Trump is a free agent and is taking down the deep state or that Trump is an agent of one faction of the deep state and is working to fulfill their agenda in taking down another faction of the deep state. The truth is I don't know which is true and on a personal level it doesn't actually matter in the end which is true. I am responsible for my own choices and my own actions and my own state of mind.

    Like my cats, I can choose to chase my tail all day if I want, but also like my cats I choose not to and prefer a little of that activity from time to time because it is fun!

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    Default Re: "I can't keep up any more." The world of Future Shock is already here

    How much of this information do we need? I've stayed away from the alt media for the past few months, and I'm still here. The elite think in terms of decades. So why are they encouraging us, through their alt media stooges, to think in terms of weeks and days?

    Looking back, in retrospect, how much 'latest intel' info over the past year was dud? 95%?

    If the carousel is too fast, jump off it, and walk in the forest. Mayhap the dark mountains are calling you again, Bill.

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