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    "THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS." David Jacobs on the Richard Dolan Show. Dec. 10, 2018

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    I've copied the post above from the Richard Dolan's Radio Shows and Interviews thread, as it deserves its own discussion.

    For two reasons:
    1. If there's the slightest truth to this, it could (literally) not be more important.
    2. The second half of the interview is behind a paywall. (Please record it if anyone can. Thx. I say more about this here.)
    There's also some mention of this on the Are ETs Benevolent or Malevolent? thread. But taking over the entire planet and replacing us with hybrids is more than 'malevolent'. It's the ultimate end of us all.

    Richard Dolan, to his credit, balances this with a prior interview with Barbara Lamb, another abduction researcher whose conclusions (and beliefs) are 180º different from those of David Jacobs.

    But I do have to say, listening carefully to Barbara (who I've met, and is a real sweetiepie), that it seems to me that Barbara is being fooled. I had the VERY strong feeling that her abductees are ALL telling her overlaid stuff that's been put there by the ETs for PR misinformation purposes. And Barbara is sincerely and dutifully passing on the 'love and light' propaganda.

    If there is any truth to the scenario that David Jacobs has concluded is under way — and I'd argue that this has to be taken seriously — then it's definitely hard to know what to do about it. But awareness and understanding has to be the first step.

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    I would not be inclined to take one or two peoples word for this or anything else.
    I haven't explored further as, pay up is a big turn off for me.
    If there is any truth in this it will be fairly obvious in due course.

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    Default Re: THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda

    Here are some quotes from the FREE Experiencer Facebook Group

    I have no idea who is right in this matter, but I find Richard Dolan's approach of presenting both sides very valuable. While not a big fan of paywalls either, I can't imagine that Jacobs said anything in that second part that he hasn't said before.

    Quote He has a fixed agenda and has no interest in facts or data. To support his hypothesis, he asks leading questions. I once watched one of his hypnotherapy sessions and talked to one of his clients, the entire session was ritualised abuse. For what it's worth, i used to be the UK therapist for ACERN , so i know what i am talking about. He is in the same mould as Budd Hopkins and Laurie McDonald, in comparison with the much more highly qualified Dr John Mack of Harvard University, who held an opposing view. I believe Mr Jacobs is a historian by profession, not a mental health professional !!!!
    Quote I interpreted his sessions as he described them totally differently. He ascribes sinister motives to every event the subject described. I saw no reason to do so. He seems to take any negative testimony verbatim. And that he never to my knowledge inquired his subjects if they felt that the experiences might have some positivism is IMO, key. He's totally leading the subjects.
    Quote Has anybody actually met and talked with the man? He is so closed-minded that an open conversation exploring other possibilities is impossible. Anyone not open to questioning their research is not a researcher - they are simply ignorant, inmo.
    Quote Reinerio Hernandez: First, he is not a researcher. He has stated in many of his interviews that he has "worked" with at most 200 individuals. This is NOT ACADEMIC RESEARCH. Remember, what he does, he hypnotically regresses folks. Hypnosis, done by a properly trained and neutral academic, such as the late Dr. John Mack, can be a useful tool. Several months ago we place a video of one of his regressions on this site and he was talking with the lady BEFORE she was regressed. about his last client who also had an experience with a Reptilian and this other lady told him so many horrors. Remember, this was BEFORE the regression even began. During the interview he have her so many leading questions. Finally, this was 200 individuals that were in his living room couch and these individuals were self selective and not randomly self selected like the respondents to our research survey. He also stated that 100% of these experiences were highly negative and that he has NEVER heard of someone having a POSITIVE experience. Well, in our survey, based not on 200 self selected individuals but over 6,000 individuals who spent more than 10 hours answering our 3 surveys, over 85% of these individuals, stated that these experiences were mainly positive. Now who do you believe, David Jacobs with his biased agenda, or the 6,000 individuals that took our surveys?
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    Quote Posted by Builder, quoting the FREE Experiencer Facebook Group (here)

    Now who do you believe, David Jacobs with his biased agenda, or the 6,000 individuals that took our surveys?
    In his interview with Richard Dolan, Jacobs pointed out, I think correctly, that no meaningful abduction research could possibly be conducted by an online survey.

    The reason being — my paraphrase! — that what an abductee BELIEVED happened and what really DID happen might be totally, totally different.

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    Default Re: THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda

    As a profession Hypnotherapist retired.
    I would say that hypnotic recall is not that reliable.
    The mind that is multipurpose, awake, dreaming, in trance, is very susceptible to imagination and suggestion.
    So mind in any state is not that good at recalling accurately anything that happened.

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    ...

    I recall reading a while back about a young'un meeting with "red diablos" in his dreams who were telling him they were about to invade earth, etc., and asking an old shaman about it... and the shaman's answer: "Oh, they always say that..."

    Here is a variation on that theme from here (<---):

    I first read about Reptilian Intelligence in ‘The Way of The Shaman’ by Michael Harner way back in the early 90s. In the opening chapter, he recounts an ayahuasca experience in which he travels to the edge of the Universe and meets some winged reptilian creatures who offer him power and control of the whole world. On recounting this to his shaman teacher, the old man chuckles and replies ‘Oh, they always say that. Take no notice of them.’


    ... so, we would need to ask the researchers to make sure they record the name, rank, matricule # of the ones they are interviewing via their abductees' minds... or, even nail down who they (researchers) are talking to /interrogating in the first place...
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    So the conclusion is, that neither the hypnotic regression of Jacobs nor the conscious recall approach from FREE are worth that much?

    Is there a trickster playing his games? What if WE with our human minds are the trickster?
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    Default Re: THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda

    I find this sort of interview very frustrating as it lacks key components that I believe are necessary if it is to be taken seriously by independent thinkers. (For transparency I will say I stopped listening after 45 minutes as I was getting frustrated!) I am not saying that the conclusions are not true nor am I saying it isn't all valid. What I am saying is that the interview lacks enough evidence for me to have sound reasons to believe it is true. I guess one essential component I would need (in order to be convinced) is a detailed knowledge of the research findings of David Jacobs. I did not hear a sufficient level of scrutiny applied to these findings or Richard Dolan ask what I would consider to be 'hard' questions concerning David Jacob's research. The format of the 'interview' (or better described in my vocabulary as a 'casual chat'), reminds me too much of the 'interviews' David Wilcox gave to Corey Goode in Cosmic Disclosure, although not as incredulous on the scale of things. The interview was too slanted to 'fear porn' for my liking, which is great for an entertainment channel but not so great for a channel seeking to uncover 'truth'.

    I question the motivation of anyone in the alternative media, now, who runs a 'pay for view' platform. There are too many charlatans in this game and someone who requests upfront money to hear 'information' does themselves a great disservice. (I have no problems with someone who shares information freely and asks for donations at the end if viewers found the information helpful or useful- these are the ones who have more credibility in my eyes!)

    Some of the conclusions drawn by David Jacobs were not the only credible conclusions based on the evidence provided during the interview. He made some 'sensational' claims that would (quite likely) engender an emotional response of fear, but did not run through alternative interpretations and why he discounted them. One example was the anatomy of the greys' body and his conclusion that they had to be bred by aliens. He never raised nor repudiated the idea that these abductions his 'clients' experienced could be at the hands of man made black project agencies, which to me seems at least possible. It is a matter of public record that mkultra type mind control operations exists. I doubt that the full technical capabilities of this sort of project have been made public. There was no discussion that some of these greys themselves may be some sort of cyborg creation of similar black project agencies. His description of the greys not seeming to breathe or eat and having little in the way of situational awareness sounds exactly like some sort of programmable cyborg to me!

    Some of the questions I would want answered include (and they may have been answered in the portion I didn't hear):

    1. Is there conclusive evidence that these 'aliens' or 'greys' are from extra-terrestrial origin rather than man made black project operations?

    2. Are his conclusions the only valid conclusions from all available evidence?

    3. Is it believable that government agencies around the world are unaware of the agenda of these aliens? What evidence is there that such agencies are collaborating with or opposing this agenda?

    In the absence of hard data, with limited information, it is not difficult to paint very dark or very bright scenarios. From what information I have, this video, to some degree, exploited this reality on the side of a negative scenario.

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    So the conclusion is, that neither the hypnotic regression of Jacobs nor the conscious recall approach from FREE are worth that much?

    Is there a trickster playing his games? What if WE with our human minds are the trickster?
    Builder I agree.
    There is no balance in portraying the ETs as having intention to take over the planet.
    Its a blanket statement
    In this Universe of Duality there is all shades of "grey" pun intended.
    So if there are those determined to take over this world there will be those who will not allow it to happen.
    I have faith in a intelligence that looks after the Universe and therefore the planet.
    The story portrayed in the opening post is just not going to happen.

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    Default Re: THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda

    I personally find this sort of fretting about paywalls to be illogical. Would you question the need to pay someone for their book? Dolan's member site has a lot of original content that takes time to create. Also, he is a full-time researcher. This is his sole source of income and we all need to pay the mortgage. As for the drama about Jacob's take on abductions, his conclusions are all over youtube available for free. Or, better yet, BUY one of his books.

    I have no connection with Dolan, I just get frustrated when people expect other people to devote their life to provide them free content. I don't know about you but I personally expect to get paid when I'm working. After all, I have a mortgage too.

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    Niv
    Its down to context.
    The way the money is asked for, the content, etc.
    There are many people here on Avalon who research and regularly post without thought of reward.

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    Quote Posted by Builder (here)
    So the conclusion is, that neither the hypnotic regression of Jacobs nor the conscious recall approach from FREE are worth that much?

    Is there a trickster playing his games? What if WE with our human minds are the trickster?
    Bingo.I think you are on to something...the mind can manifest an alternative reality that is absolutely believable and very, very convincing. I have experienced it. The only way one can verify is to find consistencies and continuity in this reality, otherwise, in my opinion, everything else is very, very questionable. I am not saying deception is involved, but the mind is very, very powerful.

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    So, I guess we are in the midst of another kind of "migrants" crisis as a result of some cosmic cointelpro/psy-op:


    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    The three pillars:
    • It’s secretive/clandestine
    • It’s global
    • It’s inter-generational.
    They can control us, we can’t control them => superior/inferior species, etc… [Greys are not a "species" per se since they can't reproduce, yet they are telepathic and use hypnotic telepathy to prove to anyone the moon is made of blue cheese: "See it for yourself, see!"]
    ... echoes of Truman Cash's "The Programming of a Planet" or Jacques Vallée...
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    I personally expect to get paid when I'm working. After all, I have a mortgage too.
    Thanks!

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    Surely if ETs really wanted to take the planet it would be easy for them to do so with their advanced technology - so they would already have done so.

    It's a bit like claims that the Illuminati want to greatly reduce the population of the planet. That's very easy to do if you have the power and so they would have already done so.

    People just love to believe in doomsday scenarios but I don't. I believe it's a benign universe...

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    Surely if ETs really wanted to take the planet it would be easy for them to do so with their advanced technology - so they would already have done so.

    It's a bit like claims that the Illuminati want to greatly reduce the population of the planet. That's very easy to do if you have the power and so they would have already done so.

    People just love to believe in doomsday scenarios but I don't. I believe it's a benign universe...
    There most definitely are doomsday scenarios.
    Our planets archeological history is replete with evidence suggesting it’s quite common.

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    Surely if ETs really wanted to take the planet it would be easy for them to do so with their advanced technology - so they would already have done so.

    It's a bit like claims that the Illuminati want to greatly reduce the population of the planet. That's very easy to do if you have the power and so they would have already done so.

    People just love to believe in doomsday scenarios but I don't. I believe it's a benign universe...
    A few thoughts to stimulate the interesting discussion.

    It's possible that we've been watched for generations, to see what might happen when we (inevitably) developed powerful technology. It might be that after a long period of observation, some high-level ET decision has been made that we're dangerous... not only to ourselves, and to our entire biosphere, but also maybe to them.

    If that's happened, then this would probably be a recent development. Most likely, after 1947.

    Much has been hoped and wished for about benevolent ETs helping us in our development, and with our problems... etc etc. But if one imagines observing the whole human race from a safe distance, I don't think one would see much benevolence, awareness, responsibility or any kind of spiritual intelligence in the human race as a whole.

    What any ETs would see — whether they're demonic or angelic! — would be
    • Greed, cruelty, unawareness and selfishness.
    • Disconnection from nature and from the biosphere that we depend on.
    • Irresponsible use of high technology.
    • No ability of governments to manage any of this (indeed, they'd see that our governments themselves are power-hungry and self-serving).
    I think we'd be regarded rather as we ourselves regard unpredictably dangerous animals in a jungle. The watching ETs would
    • Keep their distance.
    • Maintain a defensive stance.
    • Maybe try to intervene, and solve the growing problem, by covertly and methodically infiltrating our society and collective genome.
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    Default Re: THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    What any ETs would see — whether they're demonic or angelic! — would be
    • Greed, cruelty, unawareness and selfishness.
    • Disconnection from nature and from the biosphere that we depend on.
    • Irresponsible use of high technology.
    • No ability of governments to manage any of this (indeed, they'd see that our governments themselves are power-hungry and self-serving).
    Hmmm... What about them seeing a prison planet where the population are slaves without the majority even realising they are slaves? I have seen all the characteristics that are listed here from many of the population (but no means by all of the population.) Is it true that people who are manipulated (without their knowledge or consent) tend to behave in the manner desired by their manipulators?

    Imagine the scenario where a sufficient gene pool of human population were to 'crash land' on an alien planet, capable of supporting human life, with an abundant supply of natural resources. Would it be inevitable that the society formed by such a group of humans (without external influences) degenerate into the society we call humanity on planet earth today? If yes then I would agree with:


    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I think we'd be regarded rather as we ourselves regard unpredictably dangerous animals in a jungle. The watching ETs would
    • Keep their distance.
    • Maintain a defensive stance.
    • Maybe try to intervene, and solve the growing problem, by covertly and methodically infiltrating our society and collective genome.
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    Default Re: THIS PLANET WILL BE THEIRS: David Jacobs' conclusion about the ET agenda

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    What any ETs would see — whether they're demonic or angelic! — would be
    • Greed, cruelty, unawareness and selfishness.
    • Disconnection from nature and from the biosphere that we depend on.
    • Irresponsible use of high technology.
    • No ability of governments to manage any of this (indeed, they'd see that our governments themselves are power-hungry and self-serving).
    I think we'd be regarded rather as we ourselves regard unpredictably dangerous animals in a jungle. The watching ETs would
    Undeniably true but they would also see kindness and unselfishness.
    A new generation and movement to reconnect with nature.
    An increasing number aware that governments are power-hungry, self-serving and corrupt.

    On balance I think things are improving.

    That said, certainly the majority are disconnected and unaware but if these ETs were waiting until we had dangerous technology and had begun to destroy the biosphere that means they are not demonic and simply wanting to take over the planet.

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