"The Next End of the World": a CIA declassified document, 'The Adam and Eve Story'

[Ratszinger]

I feel we have enough real obstacles without having to make them up in our minds. As I recall everyone seemed to be in an uproar over 4G also when it was on the brink of being implemented.

End of the world scenarios scare me, particularly when they were classified.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvjJqIXYT1w

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
End of the world scenarios scare me, particularly when they were classified.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvjJqIXYT1w

Thanks... I'd not heard about this. Notes:

1. The video is from Suspicious 0bservers. That alone means it's sane and grounded.

2. This may best belong on Warren Light's (wnlight's) thread about massive earth changes:

• World-Wide City Population Changes by End of 2019

3. The declassified CIA document referenced is here:

• https://cia.gov/library/readingroom/...00070001-8.pdf

Also in the Avalon library:

• http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Chan...lassified).pdf

[wnlight]

All I can do is ask if this Adam and Eve story will ever happen on our planet Earth. The answer is a resounding "No." Please do not ask me to tell you "Why not?" It just will not happen. The catastrophe that I have posted about will not be nearly so severe. The earth changes that I see coming in twelve months will not spell the end of the world. Most people will survive it. Many areas of our planet will be untouched by extreme tidal waves; will be unaffected by the earthquakes; and will remain above the ocean's sea level. The least credible conclusion in this thread's posted video is that there could be dynamic forces within the planet that will reverse the crustal movement and shortly return the crust to its prior position! Did I hear that correctly? Also, the video took quite a lot of liberty in reference to Immanuel Velikovsky's book "Worlds in Collision", which I have read.

I ask in my dowsing many time each week if the earth changes that I have posted here "is still on."

World-Wide City Population Changes by End of 2019

I am still hoping that this will just go away quietly. So far, it is still on. If I should ever see a change, I will let you know.

[5th]

Pull the other one...

The amount of energy required to rotate the earth 90 degrees in a day counter to the gyroscope effect of it's rotation would be huge beyond belief. Where would all this energy come from? Essentially the earth is stable in it's rotation so why would it suddenly do that and, even more fantastically conveniently rotate another (exactly) 90 degrees back again so as not to leave any historical clue?

Another example of an insane new idea in order to scare monger a new end times scenario...

[Bill Ryan]

Yes to all the comments, of course. What's interesting is the question asked by Ben Davidson (of Suspicious Observers) on his video, about the book that was classified, and then only partially declassified, 47 years later.

The CIA description states

Declassified in Part - Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2013/06/24.

See this page:

• https://cia.gov/library/readingroom/...000300070001-8

[Ratszinger]

Posted by 5th (here)
Pull the other one...

The amount of energy required to rotate the earth 90 degrees in a day counter to the gyroscope effect of it's rotation would be huge beyond belief. Where would all this energy come from? Essentially the earth is stable in it's rotation so why would it suddenly do that and, even more fantastically conveniently rotate another (exactly) 90 degrees back again so as not to leave any historical clue?

Another example of an insane new idea in order to scare monger a new end times scenario...

I think the point is that if perhaps the rest of the book was declassified we'd see the science behind it. The real questions then become: What do they know that we don't and what are we missing from the book that would make sense of it being classified? Another way to put it: If it is so far fetched why hide it through classification?

[greybeard]

Something I watched recently here
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1263045

The ancient monuments of the world were all on the same latitude of that time and that could have been the equator.
Would make sense after an ice age or before or during to have built these on the equator.--warmest place.

Also at some point in time the equator may have been different--that's the relevance to this thread.
It also is relevant to magnetic pole shift---Suspicious observers talks abut this from time to time.
There have been these before.
Its possible when the Earth was hit by "that" asteroid that the earth did tilt--water sloshing around creates tremendous energy.

The only thing known currently for sure is that magnetic poles are shifting at an accelerating rate.

Chris

[wnlight]

I am sorry that I could not watch much more than half of the video. So please, can anyone who watched the whole thing tell me if Ben Davidson answered his own question: Why did the CIA classify and then declassify this amazing story?

I think that I too quickly and quite rudely dismissed this theory of a crustal displacement that happens regularly and then swiftly bounces back to hide the evidence. I apologize to @Ratszinger for not sharing why I have dismissed this theory. I know that some truly intelligent people have been entrapped by the theory of the Earth's crust somehow slipping over the core of the planet. Although they have been aware of the tremendous opposing forces caused by the massive inertia of the atmosphere and of the oceans, I have yet not read of a treatise that considered the equally great inertia of the tectonic plates. What force causes this action? I think that I am supposed to accept that the impetus of the crustal slip is the piling up of massive ice on the two polar caps. Am I supposed to believe that the ice cap mass got out of balance and was slung by rotational forces towards the equator? The ice caps were much more massive during the last ice age than they are now, so perhaps, that is when the slippage occurred? Maybe this has slipped at the end of each ice age, and then with the ice now melted, has returned to its original position. So, then I must assume that the concept of individual tectonic plates must be abandoned and rather accept that our planet’s crust is a solid mass that will hold up against the fantastically humongous forces that would act upon the crust to cause a breakup-up. This thought is because if individual plates do exist, they would be pulverized be the bumper-car collisions of plates pushing South while other plates are swimming northwards. So we have a solid crust that will not break or bend to such forces because it must soon return to its original position once the ice cap has melted and and so to erase any and all evidence of this incredulous displacement? Or, am I assuming too much? Perhaps there is some other unknown to me yet mighty force drives the planetary crust around? Since the Earth approximates the shape of an oblate spheroid, I do wonder how this rigid crust can handle the shape shift as it slips around. How does it bend and yet not break? I have no degree in geophysics, so I must defer to other, more educated persons. What is there deep within the crust that is strong enough to withstand all of these apposing forces? What would prevent the overwhelming forces of wind and water from carving huge erosional features into the crust as the atmosphere and the hydrosphere collide with the lithosphere? Since the crust rotation happens at a tremendous speed, would not any one, or any animal, standing on the earth be slammed against the crust which starts moving at hundreds of miles per hour? Must I assume that any life form larger than an ameba could survive this anywhere on the Earth? I could go on, but I think that I have explained myself and what went through my head when I so abruptly and rudely rejected the concept presented in this thread.

[Hervé]

A couple of $0.01:

At the time of the report, little was known of the geophysics of the earth as people were having heated arguments about whether plate tectonics were real as well as the existence of meteorite impacts because the importance of shattered cones features in rocks wasn't yet recognized.

I think the classified version has to do with the periodic happenings of catastrophes... meteoroids and comets return on an impact path with earth's orbit can now account for that with tangential impacts generating significant crustal slippages with respect to the momentum of the earth core keeping the earth's rotation axis in place but with a new configuration of the geography of the crust's re-arrangement: polar caps now finding themselves in equatorial regions and new polar ice caps developing over the rotation axis poles (shaken but not significantly displaced).

With (geological) time passing by, there is also an "erosion" of the cosmic candidates on an earth-impact course due to crumbling into smaller pieces as observed with comets hence reducing the risks of major future impacts since most of the "Big Ones" have already happened or have been "captured" by other planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus or Neptune


However, the existence of such documents give an explanation to other conclusions such as:

"We do not need the celestial threat to disguise Cold War intentions; rather we need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions!"

~ British astronomer Victor Clube, author of The Cosmic Serpent and The Cosmic Winter, in a report commissioned by the U.S. Air Force

[5th]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)

Posted by 5th (here)
Pull the other one...

The amount of energy required to rotate the earth 90 degrees in a day counter to the gyroscope effect of it's rotation would be huge beyond belief. Where would all this energy come from? Essentially the earth is stable in it's rotation so why would it suddenly do that and, even more fantastically conveniently rotate another (exactly) 90 degrees back again so as not to leave any historical clue?

Another example of an insane new idea in order to scare monger a new end times scenario...

I think the point is that if perhaps the rest of the book was declassified we'd see the science behind it. The real questions then become: What do they know that we don't and what are we missing from the book that would make sense of it being classified? Another way to put it: If it is so far fetched why hide it through classification?

There can be no science behind it as the energy required does not exist. Rather it does exist but could not possibly be utilised for such a precise and remarkable action as it is mostly the energy keeping the earth rotating in the first place. No mechanism exists to take this away and apply it to another purpose.

I don't know much behind the reasons of CIA classifying stuff but I would imagine practically everything is classified by default even if it contains nothing important. Isn't that the way they operate?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by 5th (here)
I don't know much behind the reasons of CIA classifying stuff but I would imagine practically everything is classified by default even if it contains nothing important. Isn't that the way they operate?

Well, it was a book. Not a formal paper from a Rand think tank!

The text is quite strange (maybe an understatement), and it's worth skimming through it. There are tens of thousands of extreme, fringe books out there, making wild claims about anything one might dream of. And the CIA doesn't classify any of them. (Why should they?)

Regarding the science, I might misunderstand here — but I think the proposal is a kind of spring-recoil effect. Like it keeps on returning to its previous state, and kind of oscillates around. So the energy source for the crustal movement is similar to a wound-up spring.

All this is just my very rough paraphrase. Hervé, maybe you could kindly comment on that? Not on the viability of the science, but whether I've understood correctly what Ben Davidson was presenting.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Regarding the science, I might misunderstand here — but I think the proposal is a kind of spring-recoil effect. Like it keeps on returning to its previous state, and kind of oscillates around. So the energy source for the crustal movement is similar to a wound-up spring.

All this is just my very rough paraphrase. Hervé, maybe you could kindly comment on that? Not on the viability of the science, but whether I've understood correctly what Ben Davidson was presenting.

Hervé replied to me personally. Copied here, with his permission:

~~~

Hervé: Yes, the springback into place is also what I understood the model to be... I don't see how that could be possible though, since once the crust moves over the mantle/inner core, there is no spring left

Bill: Right... for an oscillating pendulum effect that doesn't wind down, there has to be a driver.

[Hervé]

It might be that the non-declassified portions of the story are being currently used in a number of psy-ops like Nibiru or similar?

[DNA]

I'm only on page 8 of this book and it feels highly influenced by Edgar Cayce.

The book is basically about a shifting of the axis and continents finding new homes after the shift is done.

Cayce was first to state this was not only a possibility but that it had happened before and would again.

This book makes a strange reference as such on page 6, after explaining in detail the annahlation of everything on the planet
due to a shifting of the axis that is hinted will come soon the author states.



"After this tumble we join Noah, Adam and Eve, Atlantis, MU and Olympus. And Jesus joins Osiris, Ta'aora, Zeus and Vishnu."


I love these types of writers, they seem vexed with solving their problems all by themselves and not trusting the cumulative data of their peers.

A fatal flaw in logic? Perhaps, but it removes the risk of false and or sabotaged data being inserted to influence and or tank your work.

And call me romantic but I absolutely love it when folks tackle these things with a singular mind.

[Ratszinger]

There are the forces that are created by the movement of an internal ocean bigger they say now than the one we know about on the surface. So, we have two oceans. How long have they (those that classify things) known this?

Second, the bulge of the equator is said to stretch out 200 miles making the earth an ovoid and if the poles did a flip and then flop that water movement would do tremendous damage by itself moving in for a brief time and then snapping. Imagine that energy!

So, again to myself thinking the forces outside the earth are evidently exerting their influence which holds everything in it's place, moon, planets and so on which are locked. So there is evidence of an outside force.

So, this would be the force to snap it back right quick if the earth did a flip flop because it's like this wound clock that for most of the time the outsides force is enough to overwhelm. I guess at one point the earth becomes stronger once wound tight or perhaps there is just a weak spot in the cycle in space that the earth and sun and planets travel through when the earth is stronger?

But then the force being weaker immediately because of that release, after that release the forces outside the earth once more rein causing the poles to do their flop until the earth once more winds itself up again to just once to do it all again by another temp. flip. In the mean time the sloshing of all the water due to the in and out of the bulge of the earth maybe is enough to you know, scrub a dub dub.

[greybeard]

Im not surprised they "hid" the book by classifying it.
Scary and seems real.
In a way it is.
Im convinced this has happened before.
Accounts of the sun rising in the West and setting in the East.
3 days of darkness or three days of light depending which side of the Earth you lived on.
Animals frozen in their tracks (found with undigested food in their stomached.)

I cant give links as this info appeared over years on Avalon or books I read long ago.

Happen again, who knows--but there are some indicators that all is not well.

There is a lot about advanced past civilizations on the planet here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1237835

Chris

[lake]

From my reading of the book (even though a great deal is not shown) The movement of the Earths surface is due to the build up of ice at the north and south....

Therefore currently we have Greenland and the Antarctic with massive weight which once combined with a lack of interaction via the sun (or Sol) create a fluidisation of a segment just below the surface, thus allowing vast and rapid movement of the crust.

This 'movement' wishes to centralise at the equator, north and south weights centrifugally balancing, therefore other areas becoming the Earth's dipoles.

The literature states that the atmosphere and the oceans would not move with this momentum and therefore cause 1000mph winds and 2 mile walls of water???

[DNA]

Posted by lake (here)
From my reading of the book (even though a great deal is not shown) The movement of the Earths surface is due to the build up of ice at the north and south....

Therefore currently we have Greenland and the Antarctic with massive weight which once combined with a lack of interaction via the sun (or Sol) create a fluidisation of a segment just below the surface, thus allowing vast and rapid movement of the crust.

This 'movement' wishes to centralise at the equator, north and south weights centrifugally balancing, therefore other areas becoming the Earth's dipoles.

The literature states that the atmosphere and the oceans would not move with this momentum and therefore cause 1000mph winds and 2 mile walls of water???

You got it.

There is also something about an electrical current in the molten lava of the crust and mantle, and that these shifts tend to take place when the charge is changed and the lava just below the hardened crust turns into a lubricant facilitating the movement of the continents on top of it.

Even if the Younger Dryas is now connected to a huge asteroid impact in Greenland this doesn't disprove the shifting of the axis theory, because such a huge iron asteroid smashing through the crust in such a way could have in fact changed the electrical charge of the molten lava across the planet as is speculated.

Again, I love this type of gusto and bravado in writing, correlating data from various disciplines and tackling this topic as such, good stuff, really good stuff.

[greybeard]

Ben ( Suspicious Observers) certainly has done his homework.

Chris

[Ratszinger]

It is easy to imagine a large asteroid coming down breaking apart into three larger pieces miles wide and many smaller ones and it's easy to imagine that the impact would both knock the earth over in the same direction as the coming impact and that would shift great portions of water to immediately flood areas that are now under the Pacific It's very easy to also imagine that the Saginaw damage was all done by flying chunks of ice football size all the way up to football field size and these would impact like we see at Saginaw bay coming in at an angle and squishing out so the craters show the elongated travel of that splash down as ice turned to liquid and gas flooding areas and killing in mass quantities worse than the asteroid did. Then after all this and people that thought they survived only have to contend with a tsunami incoming they have no idea is coming until they hear the rumble.

This could be what made Hel become Helsinki. Hel which I understand was the top of the world at the "North Pole" area and the home of the ruling class of the planet in the old world system apparently was shifted to where it sits today during this event according to some. I have to wonder if there may be truth to it. .