Awesome Motivational Speech

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by ripple (here)
And here is another warm and wise speech but this time from our favourite lady and Adolf's very own daughter :-

“Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
No this wasn’t something Adolf Hitler said many decades ago, this is what German Chancellor Angela Merkel told attendants at an event by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Berlin. Merkel has announced she won’t seek re-election in 2021 and it is clear she is attempting to push the globalist agenda to its disturbing conclusion before she stands down.
Extract source , Zero Hedge, Berlin , December 1944. Yesterday .

Right, what am I missing here?

How is this even remotely relevant dude?

Well, their accent is slightly similar ... maybe that's it?

[onawah]

From a different perspective, the kinds of goals that Arnie aspired to are typical of a certain soul age.
Not meaning to sound cryptic, but if you take a look at the Michael Teachings, which I have found to be quite credible even though they are a kind of channeled information, there are definite characteristics of different souls, depending on where they are in their evolution, such as Infant, Baby, Young, Mature, Old, and on into more cosmic levels.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html
(Since souls are essentially eternal, soul age is determined primarily by how long the soul has been incarnating into the particular paradigm he/she is currently evolving in.)
Mature souls tend to aspire more to worldly goals such as Arnie has than, for example, Old souls, who may be a bit world weary and much more interested in acquiring wisdom, compassion, etc. than fame or fortune.
But sometimes people who are that driven are actually workaholics, using work as a diversion from looking inward, and that can create a lot of problems with relationships (with self and others).
It's not an uncomplicated subject.

[lake]

Posted by onawah (here)
From a different perspective, the kinds of goals that Arnie aspired to are typical of a certain soul age.
......>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But sometimes people who are that driven are actually workaholics, using work as a diversion from looking inward, and that can create a lot of problems with relationships (with self and others).
It's not an uncomplicated subject.

Interesting is it not?

I have a complete opposite consideration!

We are NOT all one and most are but shells.

This realm is a womb which gestates the, as yet not individualised, maybe's of an self awareness.

So such as Arnold...are nothing more than 'invitations' to repeat (thats hopeful *) this world.

* In truth I do not consider that you get to 'repeat' this world....I consider that you return to the 'pool' of potential unless YOU self construct via YOUR own consideration of YOU....BUT this consideration requires many aspects...such as empathy (which then removes a great part of the characters from this narrative).

Also this 'drama' is cyclical.

Round and round it goes but always on a spiral!
So you have a spiral of 'time' (for want of a better word....which moves forwards in technology) but you have a 'circle' of existence which portrays the exact same narrative to the 'actors' over and over....across aeons!

.......so no, I do not consider this as a awesome speech. lol

[Mike]

Posted by onawah (here)
From a different perspective, the kinds of goals that Arnie aspired to are typical of a certain soul age.
Not meaning to sound cryptic, but if you take a look at the Michael Teachings, which I have found to be quite credible even though they are a kind of channeled information, there are definite characteristics of different souls, depending on where they are in their evolution, such as Infant, Baby, Young, Mature, Old, and on into more cosmic levels.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html
(Since souls are essentially eternal, soul age is determined primarily by how long the soul has been incarnating into the particular paradigm he/she is currently evolving in.)
Mature souls tend to aspire more to worldly goals such as Arnie has than, for example, Old souls, who may be a bit world weary and much more interested in acquiring wisdom, compassion, etc. than fame or fortune.
But sometimes people who are that driven are actually workaholics, using work as a diversion from looking inward, and that can create a lot of problems with relationships (with self and others).
It's not an uncomplicated subject.

Hi Nat

I read the Michael teachings a while ago, but will confess to quite a bit of skimming.

What you wrote about the various ages of souls and their accompanying desires makes sense to me.

But I would also say that, regardless of your goals, Arnold's advice is valid. Even if meditating is a goal, one still has to organize one's day to fit it in, and have the discipline to follow thru with the sitting and breathing and so forth. That would take even more discipline than lifting weights, I think.

I'm interested in acquiring some wisdom and compassion, but I wouldn't mind a few bucks in my bank account too.

What you wrote about work-aholics is true, of course. That's a trap one has to be weary of. On the flip side, there's a population of people who hide behind things like 'spirituality' as a means of making their failures in other areas seem less significant. I spose it can work both ways.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by lake (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
From a different perspective, the kinds of goals that Arnie aspired to are typical of a certain soul age.
......>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But sometimes people who are that driven are actually workaholics, using work as a diversion from looking inward, and that can create a lot of problems with relationships (with self and others).
It's not an uncomplicated subject.

Interesting is it not?

I have a complete opposite consideration!

We are NOT all one and most are but shells.

This realm is a womb which gestates the, as yet not individualised, maybe's of an self awareness.

So such as Arnold...are nothing more than 'invitations' to repeat (thats hopeful *) this world.

* In truth I do not consider that you get to 'repeat' this world....I consider that you return to the 'pool' of potential unless YOU self construct via YOUR own consideration of YOU....BUT this consideration requires many aspects...such as empathy (which then removes a great part of the characters from this narrative).

Also this 'drama' is cyclical.

Round and round it goes but always on a spiral!
So you have a spiral of 'time' (for want of a better word....which moves forwards in technology) but you have a 'circle' of existence which portrays the exact same narrative to the 'actors' over and over....across aeons!

.......so no, I do not consider this as a awesome speech. lol

Lake this seems very thoughtful and I'd like to comment on it, but I've read it twice already and I have no idea what it means

[DeDukshyn]

... Perhaps if we work hard on becoming less effective at everything we do, we can break the cycle of tyranny??

Sorry for being facetious ... but I am having a hard time following anyone's logic these days ... probably just me, still trying to determine if this is a good thing or not ...

[Mike]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
... Perhaps if we work hard on becoming less effective at everything we do, we can break the cycle of tyranny??

Sorry for being facetious ... but I am having a hard time following anyone's logic these days ... probably just me, still trying to determine if this is a good thing or not ...

Made me laugh!! Thanks dude.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
... Perhaps if we work hard on becoming less effective at everything we do, we can break the cycle of tyranny??

Sorry for being facetious ... but I am having a hard time following anyone's logic these days ... probably just me, still trying to determine if this is a good thing or not ...

When I’m home, I’m able to have silent moments (seconds) on the fly. But when I’m around people my thoughts are like nosy-static.

I’ve mostly lost my ability to multitask when I’m at the self-check line at the market. The friendly employees aren’t aware of how they’ve stepped into my personal space and get all chatty. I feel like a stranger in a strange land until I’ve driven a few miles towards home and had a chance to adjust.

[onawah]

Much of what passes for discipline is simply programming oneself to be stuck in a routine, something which Don Juan Matus (Castenada's mentor) advises against.
Also Gurdjieff, as it's a good way of making oneself a more mechanical being.
The more mechanical we are, the less perceptive and spontaneous we are, the less tuned in.
Discipline has its place and is fine for helping to achieve a specific goal, but it has its limitations if your aim is to become a more whole person. a more finely tuned being.
It's not the be-all, end-all of success as a sentient being, just a step along the way.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Mike (here)
I didn't read anything nefarious into that comment.

I didn't have to read anything nefarious into it. I happen to have read things about Schwarzenegger elsewhere already, so I'm more informed about him than having simply watched this video.

Coincidentally, his dad was a Master Sergeant in the National Socialist military police in Austria, and served in the 4th Panzer Group. Maybe that's where he gets his incredible work ethic, but I'm not as sure that it explains the cannibalistic paintings he's said to have hanging in some of his private residences, or all the orgies he used to attend when he was getting into Hollywood.

Anyway, I'll leave all that for another thread so as not to spoil anyone's fun, but I'm not simply reacting to what I heard in the video above. Like I said, I admire his determination and focus.

[Mike]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
I didn't read anything nefarious into that comment.

I didn't have to read anything nefarious into it. I happen to have read things about Schwarzenegger elsewhere already, so I'm more informed about him than having simply watched this video.

Coincidentally, his dad was a Master Sergeant in the National Socialist military police in Austria, and served in the 4th Panzer Group. Maybe that's where he gets his incredible work ethic, but I'm not as sure that it explains the cannibalistic paintings he's said to have hanging in some of his private residences, or all the orgies he used to attend when he was getting into Hollywood.

Anyway, I'll leave all that for another thread so as not to spoil anyone's fun, but I'm not simply reacting to what I heard in the video above. Like I said, I admire his determination and focus.

i hear you! and thanks for all that.

sorry if i seemed sarcastic in my earlier response. it was a little trigger i think for me, because i'm so accustomed to everything being so deconstructed and so on, even stuff that seems positive to me. but you clearly have your reasons, and i respect that

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Mike (here)
it was a little trigger i think for me, because i'm so accustomed to everything being so deconstructed and so on, even stuff that seems positive to me.

I know what you mean, and that's why I didn't elaborate in my first post, because I didn't want to just come in and take a big crap on Arnold right off the bat.

[Mike]

Posted by onawah (here)
Much of what passes for discipline is simply programming oneself to be stuck in a routine, something which Don Juan Matus (Castenada's mentor) advises against.
Also Gurdjieff, as it's a good way of making oneself a more mechanical being.
The more mechanical we are, the less perceptive and spontaneous we are, the less tuned in.
Discipline has its place and is fine for helping to achieve a specific goal, but it has its limitations if your aim is to become a more whole person. a more finely tuned being.
It's not the be-all, end-all of success as a sentient being, just a step along the way.

I think if i was living in an ashram type of environment, or if i had nothing pending like Don Juan, i'd love the idea of having no schedule or routines. they certainly can make jack a dull boy

i'd never suggest some tyrannical, boring routine for anyone. the routine should serve you, not the other way around.

having said that, me..personally, couldn't get a whole heck of alot done without routines and schedules.

spirituality should never be mechanical, but the average working person likely has to schedule in their yoga or meditation or tai chi or whatever...which requires discipline. the discipline doesn't represent everything, but it's still vital imo

[onawah]

It's when it becomes an addiction or a crutch that it becomes dangerous, when you perform unconsciously.
It's not so much a matter of how you schedule your time as it is how consciously you perform.
If it becomes simply routine or mechanical habits, you've lost something of yourself.
It's why Zen practice is always about doing everything with your whole being--it doesn't matter when you do it, but how centered and awake you are while doing it, and it's not about reaching a goal but about how well you remain fully in the moment.

Posted by Mike (here)
I think if i was living in an ashram type of environment, or if i had nothing pending like Don Juan, i'd love the idea of having no schedule or routines. they certainly can make jack a dull boy

i'd never suggest some tyrannical, boring routine for anyone. the routine should serve you, not the other way around.

having said that, me..personally, couldn't get a whole heck of alot done without routines and schedules.

spirituality should never be mechanical, but the average working person likely has to schedule in their yoga or meditation or tai chi or whatever...which requires discipline. the discipline doesn't represent everything, but it's still vital imo

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Mike (here)
I think if i was living in an ashram type of environment, or if i had nothing pending like Don Juan, i'd love the idea of having no schedule or routines.

Posted by onawah (here)
It's why Zen practice is always about doing everything with your whole being--it doesn't matter when you do it, but how centered and awake you are while doing it, and it's not about reaching a goal but about how well you remain fully in the moment.

After I read Mike's post, Zen Buddhism came to mind for me too, but for a completely opposite reason: Zen monasteries in Japan are incredibly rigorous with following a very rigid daily schedule that includes many hours of meditation.

They get up very early at the ring of a loud bell or gong, meditate for a couple hours or so in complete silence or stillness before eating breakfast. Then more meditation. Then lunch. Then more meditation. Every single day.

If they even so much as move while meditating, they have a volunteer who comes and beats the person who moved. Both the guy giving and the guy taking the beating bow to each other beforehand, of course, out of respect.

If you read up on these kinds of traditional Zen monasteries, they're not just laid back places where people lounge around. They'd kick you out for that.

[Mike]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
I think if i was living in an ashram type of environment, or if i had nothing pending like Don Juan, i'd love the idea of having no schedule or routines.

Posted by onawah (here)
It's why Zen practice is always about doing everything with your whole being--it doesn't matter when you do it, but how centered and awake you are while doing it, and it's not about reaching a goal but about how well you remain fully in the moment.

After I read Mike's post, Zen Buddhism came to mind for me too, but for a completely opposite reason: Zen monasteries in Japan are incredibly rigorous with following a very rigid daily schedule that includes many hours of meditation.

They get up very early at the ring of a loud bell or gong, meditate for a couple hours or so in complete silence or stillness before eating breakfast. Then more meditation. Then lunch. Then more meditation. Every single day.

If they even so much as move while meditating, they have a volunteer who comes and beats the person who moved. Both the guy giving and the guy taking the beating bow to each other beforehand, of course, out of respect.

If you read up on these kinds of traditional Zen monasteries, they're not just laid back places where people lounge around. They'd kick you out for that.

appreciate this! i'd forgotten all about it.

I think the soul likes discipline. Another way of saying that might be that the soul likes order. I think any spiritual progress must involve a clear intent, and then must be rigorously pursued. Spirituality can be approached practically imo.

And that may just be the way it is in the beginning. Perhaps schedules and a sense of discipline aren't quite as important the more one advances. Some people are just exceptional and don't need to practice as much or as hard as the rest of us.

[lake]

Well....discipline is achieved by accepting self responsibility from and for the chaotic nature of choices....thus freewill is only allowed to an individual soul which self determines the path chosen within the reading of a predefined and presented, limited narrative.

You can stand still
You can move forward
You can step backwards

Or.......YOU can make another choice.... which is truly the only freedom of self defined will. (to move away from the 8 seconds and become structured via self)

Or some stuff like that

[onawah]

Eventually, after enough practice, the forms become less important as the practice just naturally becomes a part of you, and the discipline doesn't have to be imposed, it comes naturally.
The drive for Divine Order is the characteristic of the crown chakra, the corresponding color is violet.

"Christopher Hill’s Nuclear Evolution

Violet Love – For great imaginers, the love of the divine order, that so often seems inaccessible in earthly life, is realized and fearlessly accepted when the understanding dawns that man’s apparent chaos is part of a greater cosmic plan. We can look at any of the works of genius in painting or music or poetry and discover there this paradoxical truth that pain and pleasure, sorrow and joy, chaos and order are ultimately the essential ingredients of any great artistic creation.

Violet Fear – Fear of Chaos

If your drive is to charm the universe and to use the “shaping spirit of the imagination” to create a new heaven and a new earth, then all that disrupts and obstructs this deep urge will be feared. It seems that those who live on this level of consciousness and, through music, painting, poetry and other creative arts, strive to present images that express their vision of Cosmic Reality, unconsciously repeat the original dilemma of the creation. Man, having been created in God’s image, with a direct line of communication with the Source, became aware that he had had another self, a doubter, and the creative artist suffers agonies of doubt and fear that the final expression of their vision will not match the glory of the original inspiration. Therefore, in a fit of despair he may smash the marble, slash the canvas, or tear up the manuscript."
https://drsircus.com/spiritual-psych...on-creativity/

[onawah]

I lived in a Zen Center in the mountains of Virginia for a year back in my hippie days.
It actually was boring and tyrannical in a way, but since it was self-imposed and the objective was so ardently sought after, it was bearable.
But when you sit in meditation for as many hours as we did in the cold months ( we were busy working outdoors in the warmer weather, and only sat for a few hours per day then), you can't sleep, and you go into altered states of consciousness which are difficult to manage for the uninitiated.
After a few month of the "long" schedule, we were getting pretty bonkers, and most of us left for the Xmas holidays to try to get more back to normal.
Unfortunately, the barn burned down during that time, taking with it all our winter fuel, so the community broke up as we didn't have enough funds to meet the new needs.
Going back to city life after that year in the country of pure living was traumatic, but it was very interesting too.
My mind was so crystal clear, and I could see through all the ego games that people were playing without even trying.
It was disconcerting, but it saved me a lot of energy, because I realized that I really didn't have to play along at all.
And just my quiet presence seemed to trigger all kinds of "stuff" in others, which made me not just a kind of novelty, but kept me in demand, which was good because I was at very loose ends and temporarily homeless.
Many years later, when I was a live foods vegan, I became something of a body builder myself, walking down a mountain side to get to the gym to work out 3x weekly for 2-3 hours, then climbing up the mountain afterwards to get back home, where I did some meditating, but not nearly as much as at the Zen Center.
I was in better shape then most everyone I knew, but internally, it was an entirely different kind of experience, and I would take the post - Zen Center state of mind over the "jock" state of mind any day.
It takes a very different kind of focus.