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    From the very beginning of my communications with "Snoop"

    From the very beginning of my communications with Snoop, he has done his damndest to represent me as a partisan of Deborah Tavares, and an "enemy" of the Truth, Itself. This is the Delphi technique - to isolate the Object of venom - at which this person "Snoop4truth" is an Adept.

    I will re-iterate, as I said in this earlier post, (Below) one of my first dealings with this tar-baby: "I don't play the binary game {Which Side Are You On?} favored by the Stalinists of the Left and Right."

    But Snoop does play that game - to the hilt, and therefore, all of my protestations to the contrary, he and his auxiliaries still deem it best - for their purposes - to discredit me either as a deluded "follower" or "disciple" or "close friend" of this Deborah Tavares {though now xylo has taken to accusing me of knowing "nothing" of her work - which is actually more accurate.)

    "Snoop4truth" has been detailed the Assignment of totally discrediting Deborah Tavares, Anita Larkin & Rodney Dale Class - and there will be other Objects of Opprobrium, further down the line, you can count on it... And he will not rest until the Job is accomplished - obviously. That is the sort of "work" that he does. It is his "Job" - and is it not a witch-hunt? You, the Public be the Judge.

    To Date, he refuses to Render an Answer to my Objections to his Litany of itemized points in the Two ( 2 ) Points that I have Listed (Above, Post# 269 ) - Which are certainly relevant to his crusade for "TRUTH - NOTHING ELSE MATTERS." -Since they are, in essence, the Achilles Heal of his whole House of Cards.

    And Snoop knows this. That is why he and his aide-de-camp, "Xylo" are peddling so fast to avoid the showdown when other listeners/viewers of this post might begin to ask Snoop why on earth he doesn't address my Questions...

    After all, they are relevant to at least a portion of his Testimony. - Two Points. That is all I can chew off at this time. That is where I Stake the Ground to take my Stand.

    For Snoop maintains that there is no such thing as the "United States Corporation" -Neither did it go Bankrupt in 1933, and that all of the Agencies of the US government are in no way, Corporatist, Delaware Corporations.

    -And he wants you, gentle readers, to think that to believe such things is to accept dangerous "conspiracy theories" that were cooked up by "Deborah Tavares" & her "partner"{in crime} - this nefarious "Rodney Dale Class" who lives in South Carolina.

    Well, he is quite Wrong on these points: On the Bankruptcy of the United States Corporation in 1933 & the Corporate nature of the Alphabet Agencies that were set up in the first two years of the New Deal.

    I learned about All of this way back in the 1980's - long before I ever went on-line - back before the Archives in the closed stacks of the Public Libraries were "sanitized." I ran into hard copy data concerning these things -much of which has been looted out of my own files in my personal Archives at home, by "sleuths4data" -Cadre who visit my Homestead on occasion, when I am away, and who always forget to leave their calling cards.

    I certainly never heard these things from Deborah Tavares, nor did I learn about them from this "Rodney Dale Class" - whom I never heard of at all, until I heard about him from "snoop4truth."

    Just check out Snoop's language (since, "toned down," {his words} in this early exchange between us):

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    Look Snoop, I don't have a dog in this race. I actually am not a partisan - of Deborah Tavares or of any one else. I don't play the binary game {Which Side Are You On?} favored by the Stalinists of the Left and Right. For my part, I discern that you, Snoop, engage in the technique known as the "snowjob." - Which is another way of saying that you put forth too many words.

    I just don't like slander or libel - of anyone, by any one. That is why I made the comment above, and that is the sum of my involvement and my concern.

    You have failed to persuade me of anything. I am not interested in the multitude of your "links." TMI - too much information. Somehow, your much vaunted altruism has failed to come off as such - at least to this one.

    Sincerely, & solidly,
    politically non-partisan

    Mark Walter Evans
    YOUR COMMENT: Look Snoop, I don't have a dog in this race.

    MY RESPONSE: Yes, you do. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.

    YOUR COMMENT: I actually am not a partisan - of Deborah Tavares or of any one else.

    MY RESPONSE: Yes, you are. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.

    YOUR COMMENT: I don't play the binary game {Which Side Are You On?} favored by the Stalinists of the Left and Right.

    MY RESPONSE: Please. Give me a break. That is precisely the game that you play. Indeed, you play no other game. You mistakenly believe that you and Deborah Tavares are on one side and that I am on the other. You reach this mistaken conclusion because both you and Deborah Tavares are conspiracy theorists. But, you are mistaken. A person, like Deborah Tavares, who intentionally defrauds you is not actually on your side. She is actually your enemy. But, you do not yet realize it. A person, like me, who tells you the truth is actually on your side. I am actually your friend. But, you do not yet realize it. Hopefully, one day you will.

    YOUR COMMENT: For my part, I discern...

    MY RESPONSE: You do no such thing. Your analysis is entirely superficial. All Deborah Tavares has to do is wrap herself in the flag of conspiracy theory and you simply turn your critical thinking skills off and mindlessly accept every claim that she makes. Indeed, you do not actually care whether Deborah Tavares' claims are true or false because her claims validate your own belief system. And, you do not want to challenge your own belief system. So, you mindlessly reject all facts that are inconsistent with the claims of Deborah Tavares, as you have shown here. That mindless rejection of facts is not using your critical thinking skills. That mindless rejection of facts is not "discernment". That mindless rejection of facts is simply self-imposed ignorance. Nothing more. If it hasn't occurred to you yet, Deborah Tavares can wrap herself in the flag of conspiracy theory AND still be intentionally defrauding you. One does not rule out the other. Wake up! Think. There are pathological liars on BOTH sides of the conspiracy debate. But, you do not realize it yet. Hopefully, one day you will.

    YOUR COMMENT: ...that you, Snoop, engage in the technique known as the "snowjob." - Which is another way of saying that you put forth too many words.

    MY RESPONSE: In carefully avoiding the subject of whether my claims are factually true (the only thing that actually matters), you have desperately and repeatedly tried to shift the focus away from the truth to a number of IRRELEVANT SUBJECTS. You have previously complained about my use of a pseudonym (as if that makes the truth false). You have previously complained about my method (my "modus operandi") of revealing the truth (as if that makes he truth false). You have even previously complained about my allegedly receiving payment for telling the truth (as if that makes the truth false). Now, you complain about my "technique" in telling the truth (as if that makes the truth false). Specifically, now you complain that the truth has "too many words" (as if that makes the truth false). But, you are slipping. You forgot to complain about a number of OTHER IRRELEVANT SUBJECTS. You forgot to complain about my use of heavy emphasis, my use of bold type, my use of capital letters, my use of italic type, my use of color, my use of underlines, my use of links to the proof, etc. (as if any of that makes the truth false).

    If you had bothered to actually read my work before you began complaining about it, you would have realized that the VERY FIRST POST in this thread contains a concise summary of ALL 16 HOAXES of Deborah Tavares. In that ONE, SINGLE POST, each hoax is concisely described IN JUST A FEW SENTENCES. Check it and see. Each explanation is short. That ONE SINGLE POST reveals the substance of every Deborah Tavares hoax uncovered as of today. All of the remaining posts are longer BECAUSE THEY CONTAIN PROOF (for those who demand proof, who think for themselves and who prefer to use their own critical thinking skills in reaching their own conclusions). You may not yet be among these people. But, hopefully, one day you will be.

    And, if it has not occurred to you yet, it is the fact that Deborah Tavares has engaged in SO MANY HOAXES that this thread is so long in the first place. Am I to blame for the shear number of hoaxes that Deborah Tavares has engaged in too? How does the math work for that? If this list of Deborah Tavares hoaxes is too long, then Deborah Tavares herself deserves all the credit. Not me.

    YOUR COMMENT: I just don't like slander or libel - of anyone, by any one.

    MY RESPONSE: Nobody likes libel or slander. But, the terms, libel and slander, have no application here. I am a lawyer. So, I know what those words actually mean. I know who has the burden of proof. I know what elements have to be proven. I know the standards applicable to public figures, like Deborah Tavares. I know that truth is an absolute defense. My claims are absolutely, verifiably true. And, Deborah Tavares knows it. Just ask her. Thus, my claims are not slander or libel (which must be false to be actionable). The fact that the truth about Deborah Tavares paints an unflattering picture of her will not convert the truth into slander or libel. The truth will still be the truth. Am I to blame for the fact that the truth about Deborah Tavares paints an unflattering portrait of who she REALLY is as a human being? How does the math work for that? If the truth about Deborah Tavares is unflattering, then Deborah Tavares herself deserves all the credit. Not me.

    YOUR COMMENT: That is why I made the comment above, and that is the sum of my involvement and my concern.

    MY RESPONSE: Sure it is. That explains why you have spent most of your time complaining about my use of a pseudonym, my method for telling the truth, my alleged payment for telling the truth, my technique for telling the truth, my use of too many words in telling the truth, etc. Please. Give me a break.

    You are not fooling anybody. WHAT YOU ACTUALLY OPPOSE IS THE TRUTH ITSELF and that is why you made the comment above and that is the sum of your involvement and your concern. And, everybody knows it.

    YOUR COMMENT: You have failed to persuade me of anything.

    MY RESPONSE: Your self-imposed ignorance harms nobody but you. There are many others online who actually want to know the facts, regardless of what those facts turn out to be. There are many others online who actually want to know the truth, regardless of what that truth turns out to be. There are many others online with the courage and the intellectual capacity to consider and analyze facts that are inconsistent with their own belief system. You may not yet be among them. But, hopefully, one day you will be. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

    YOUR COMMENT: I am not interested in the multitude of your "links." TMI - too much information.

    MY RESPONSE: Your disinterest is quite understandable. To a person like you, who actually opposes the truth itself, any amount of truth is too much truth, links or no links. But, to those who actually seek the truth, no amount of truth is enough truth, exactly the opposite of people like you. It is those people for whom I do my work. My target readers are those who actually seek the truth, who demand proof of the truth and who prefer to use their own critical thinking skills in reaching the own conclusions. You may not yet be among them. But, hopefully, one day you will be. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

    YOUR COMMENT: Somehow, your much vaunted altruism has failed to come off as such - at least to this one.

    MY RESPONSE: I have enough faith in you and your abilities to believe that your ideas will change about that.

    Regards,

    Snoop

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    Guys,

    I am going to close this thread for 24 hours or so to let you all cool off and perhaps gain a little perspective while we discuss, behind the scenes, what's going on here.

    Maybe you could step outside, enjoy the sunset..

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    Re-opening the thread now. Mayacaman has been shown the door. He'll see this window, the next time he logs in.
    Mark, you basically came here to troll, and you've shown clearly that despite many warnings. Enough now. Take your personal vendetta elsewhere. But not here.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Re-opening the thread now. Mayacaman has been shown the door. He'll see this window, the next time he logs in.
    Mark, you basically came here to troll, and you've shown clearly that despite many warnings. Enough now. Take your personal vendetta elsewhere. But not here.
    Thank You Bill, Ken, Contance, Cara, and all other Mods,

    This has been a harrowing chapter in a harrowing journey. As can been seen in mayacaman’s posts, there are numerous slanders, lots of name-calling, provocations, taunts and much bullying. All of that with -0- detectable relevant content (by my estimation) that accurately relates to the subject of this this thread and Snoop’s exhaustively detailed list of debunked Tavares hoaxes.

    While it’s ugly to read, in mayacaman’s last post you will see use of the term “tar-baby” as a way of addressing Snoop. That example (along with the rest of mayacaman's bully trolling posts) illustrate the methodology of an interesting subset of organized and solo operatives within the “truther movement.”

    To frame the situation: Like the “new age movement”, the truther community is an alernative, edge of mainstream occurrence populated by people who are rejecting established traditional views and searching for real truth and new answers. As such, the field is wide open for new and usually self-proclaimed leaders and researchers (who will lead The Willing) to step up onto the soapbox. (BTW, If you have trouble making a soapbox, your local hardware and lumber emporium will usually help). Once up and onto the soapbox, leaders will present, educate and influence The Willing who are open-minded and largely vulnerable. The Willing find themselves facing a bevy of options, from the genuinely good intentioned and well-informed teachers to disinformation agents, gatekeepers, shills and conintelpro-type operatives who are often (technically) psychopathic. (I am speaking in general terms, of course. I have no idea what the state of mayacaman’s mental health is, and I assume he is a model citizen and revered presence within his community.)

    Psychopaths seizing upon The (hapless) Willing. It’s all up for grabs. In a larger sense, that is what this thread is about and I hope will serve as an archive to stimulate critical thinking for those who find themselves at a crossroads in their journey to truth. It certainly helped me. Deborah Tavares, perhaps because of her extraordinary tenacity, willingness to deceive, astute self-promotion and sharply-focused targeting of those who are either new to the quest, uneducated, fearful and marginally literate or otherwise cult-prone, has been an increasingly influential speaker and presenter within the “truther” community. Because of her looks, age, money, maternal position and history within gray area right wing extremist groups in the earlier part of this century, Tavares has propelled herself into a position where she now gathers followers who do not question what she says, accept her foundation of alleged “documents” as being real without having scrutinized, and worship/promote her like a messiah. It’s a loose-knit, unorganized cult. This brand of devotion is one in which critical thinking, skepticism or questioning is frowned upon. Attempts to challenge the narrative are quickly extinguished by sycophantic members the group, and sometimes one of the staff and associates who surround and support her. I found this out for myself as I emerged from the Tavares group and began to pose questions and requests for verification within the group’s gathering point, stopthecrime.net on YouTube. Once began I questioning, I found myself flanked by those who called me a troll, characterized me as a government operative, a “hit man” (Tavares’ term”) and shill. In other words, no response to the questions, just attacks designed to marginalize and humiliate much in the way that “conspiracy theorist” is thrown at real truthers in an effort to put them out of business, at least in the eyes of the rest of the group.

    Mayacaman is probably the most crafty, tenacious, educated and persistent operative I have ever come up against. I assume he is solo, but who knows. Here are are the some things to understand when encountering this type of individual:
    * they never enter a thread by showing respect and asking questions or requesting clarification so as to be informed before speaking.
    * they always come in swinging. Sarcasm, dissing. attempts to humiliate, provocations, challenges.
    * No amount of fact or logic will have an effect in responding to these individuals.
    * Responses to your input will be your own words or opinions, distorted, mischaracterized and thrown back at you as a weaponized challenge.
    * It is a complete mistake to respond to the distortions.
    * The only way to deal with this situation is to try and remain untriggered. Respond in a levelheaded way, and steer the focus back to the subject. Don’t give energy to false allegations or provocations.
    * become informed on the subject of codependence.

    Be careful out there. I am certain there are psychopaths present in all governments, corporations, communities and social circles. There are also psychopaths within the population of people who live in the fringes of and outside of communities. They don’t have to be murderers, swindlers or violent. Their only purpose is to mess with your head, keep you off balance, perhaps gain your subservience, disempower you, marginalize, beat you down and decimate your self-esteem. I assume they feed off of this type of activity. They are compulsive conflict seekers. All psychopaths are, I think, also narcissists. I’m not sure if all narcissists are psychopaths. Narcissists can be just as devastating, and perhaps even more so because they likely garner more trust from others than do extreme psychopaths. Regardless, both are predators and both are omnipresent within the alternative communities.

    I’m glad Mayacan’s posts remain here. Maybe you agree with him. Maybe they serve as a example to learn from. Demand integrity from your sources. There is a lot of nefarious stuff going on. I was late to understand that hoaxsters and flying monkeys abound. My tendency was to assume the best and lend credibility. Only in the last few years have I paid enough attention to recognize not only the alarming situation we’re in, but understand the amount of manipulation and covert attempts in action designed to destabilize, disable, redirect and control the “the resistance” (those who no longer believe the official story). Duh, I never would have guessed. But now I know. Demand integrity from your sources. Double check it all. Apply critical thought. Avoid self-defeating comfort zones, If something doesn’t feel right, it probably isn’t.

    Thanks for reading and I hope my input helps someone.

    Great forum here, thanks Avalon,

    xylo
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    Quote Posted by xylo (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Re-opening the thread now. Mayacaman has been shown the door. He'll see this window, the next time he logs in.
    Mark, you basically came here to troll, and you've shown clearly that despite many warnings. Enough now. Take your personal vendetta elsewhere. But not here.
    Thank You Bill, Ken, Contance, Cara, and all other Mods,

    This has been a harrowing chapter in a harrowing journey. As can been seen in mayacaman’s posts, there are numerous slanders, lots of name-calling, provocations, taunts and much bullying. All of that with -0- detectable relevant content (by my estimation) that accurately relates to the subject of this this thread and Snoop’s exhaustively detailed list of debunked Tavares hoaxes.

    While it’s ugly to read, in mayacaman’s last post you will see use of the term “tar-baby” as a way of addressing Snoop. That example (along with the rest of mayacaman's bully trolling posts) illustrate the methodology of an interesting subset of organized and solo operatives within the “truther movement.”

    To frame the situation: Like the “new age movement”, the truther community is an alernative, edge of mainstream occurrence populated by people who are rejecting established traditional views and searching for real truth and new answers. As such, the field is wide open for new and usually self-proclaimed leaders and researchers (who will lead The Willing) to step up onto the soapbox. (BTW, If you have trouble making a soapbox, your local hardware and lumber emporium will usually help). Once up and onto the soapbox, leaders will present, educate and influence The Willing who are open-minded and largely vulnerable. The Willing find themselves facing a bevy of options, from the genuinely good intentioned and well-informed teachers to disinformation agents, gatekeepers, shills and conintelpro-type operatives who are often (technically) psychopathic. (I am speaking in general terms, of course. I have no idea what the state of mayacaman’s mental health is, and I assume he is a model citizen and revered presence within his community.)

    Psychopaths seizing upon The (hapless) Willing. It’s all up for grabs. In a larger sense, that is what this thread is about and I hope will serve as an archive to stimulate critical thinking for those who find themselves at a crossroads in their journey to truth. It certainly helped me. Deborah Tavares, perhaps because of her extraordinary tenacity, willingness to deceive, astute self-promotion and sharply-focused targeting of those who are either new to the quest, uneducated, fearful and marginally literate or otherwise cult-prone, has been an increasingly influential speaker and presenter within the “truther” community. Because of her looks, age, money, maternal position and history within gray area right wing extremist groups in the earlier part of this century, Tavares has propelled herself into a position where she now gathers followers who do not question what she says, accept her foundation of alleged “documents” as being real without having scrutinized, and worship/promote her like a messiah. It’s a loose-knit, unorganized cult. This brand of devotion is one in which critical thinking, skepticism or questioning is frowned upon. Attempts to challenge the narrative are quickly extinguished by sycophantic members the group, and sometimes one of the staff and associates who surround and support her. I found this out for myself as I emerged from the Tavares group and began to pose questions and requests for verification within the group’s gathering point, stopthecrime.net on YouTube. Once began I questioning, I found myself flanked by those who called me a troll, characterized me as a government operative, a “hit man” (Tavares’ term”) and shill. In other words, no response to the questions, just attacks designed to marginalize and humiliate much in the way that “conspiracy theorist” is thrown at real truthers in an effort to put them out of business, at least in the eyes of the rest of the group.

    Mayacaman is probably the most crafty, tenacious, educated and persistent operative I have ever come up against. I assume he is solo, but who knows. Here are are the some things to understand when encountering this type of individual:
    * they never enter a thread by showing respect and asking questions or requesting clarification so as to be informed before speaking.
    * they always come in swinging. Sarcasm, dissing. attempts to humiliate, provocations, challenges.
    * No amount of fact or logic will have an effect in responding to these individuals.
    * Responses to your input will be your own words or opinions, distorted, mischaracterized and thrown back at you as a weaponized challenge.
    * It is a complete mistake to respond to the distortions.
    * The only way to deal with this situation is to try and remain untriggered. Respond in a levelheaded way, and steer the focus back to the subject. Don’t give energy to false allegations or provocations.
    * become informed on the subject of codependence.

    Be careful out there. I am certain there are psychopaths present in all governments, corporations, communities and social circles. There are also psychopaths within the population of people who live in the fringes of and outside of communities. They don’t have to be murderers, swindlers or violent. Their only purpose is to mess with your head, keep you off balance, perhaps gain your subservience, disempower you, marginalize, beat you down and decimate your self-esteem. I assume they feed off of this type of activity. They are compulsive conflict seekers. All psychopaths are, I think, also narcissists. I’m not sure if all narcissists are psychopaths. Narcissists can be just as devastating, and perhaps even more so because they likely garner more trust from others than do extreme psychopaths. Regardless, both are predators and both are omnipresent within the alternative communities.

    I’m glad Mayacan’s posts remain here. Maybe you agree with him. Maybe they serve as a example to learn from. Demand integrity from your sources. There is a lot of nefarious stuff going on. I was late to understand that hoaxsters and flying monkeys abound. My tendency was to assume the best and lend credibility. Only in the last few years have I paid enough attention to recognize not only the alarming situation we’re in, but understand the amount of manipulation and covert attempts in action designed to destabilize, disable, redirect and control the “the resistance” (those who no longer believe the official story). Duh, I never would have guessed. But now I know. Demand integrity from your sources. Double check it all. Apply critical thought. Avoid self-defeating comfort zones, If something doesn’t feel right, it probably isn’t.

    Thanks for reading and I hope my input helps someone.

    Great forum here, thanks Avalon,

    xylo
    Hello xylo, peterpam, Gemma13 and other soldiers for truth,

    Check out the new video from "Virgo Triad" on Deborah Tavares and "The NASA War Document Hoax".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZmq_vMcSQ

    Please post links to this video everywhere you can.

    On a different subject, I am still at it. But, during the past few weeks, I have been doing research into the alleged "1933 Bankruptcy Of The United States" (a claim supported by the "FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax", a Deborah Tavares hoax). So, I am still doing what I do. But, I cannot type accurate information until I have obtained accurate information to type. Please bear with me.

    Miss you guys.

    Keep up the good work.

    Hugs,

    Snoop
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    Really great to see you getting some visual aid coverage Snoop - will certainly help those that find it difficult to read lengthy data.

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    Quote Posted by Gemma13 (here)
    Really great to see you getting some visual aid coverage Snoop - will certainly help those that find it difficult to read lengthy data.
    Hello Gemma13,

    I agree completely.

    As this very thread clearly demonstrates, Deborah Tavares' followers do not read anything.

    Their sole source of information is videos.

    This is how they got duped in the first place.

    This is also how Deborah Tavares has gotten away with her fraud for all these years.

    Illiteracy is a very dangerous thing for a society.

    On a different subject, Virgo Triad told me she would post a Snoop4truth video every Wednesdays in which she would cover a hoax that I exposed.

    She likes the Deborah Tavares stuff because it is new to her listeners (her main subjects are sovereign citizens and the "Moors").

    The comments below her YouTube Deborah Tavares videos are terrific.

    Did you see her Snoopy Detective logo?

    HAHA!

    She has too versions.

    Today, she emailed me the NEW Snoop4truth THEME SONG for Snoop4truth Wednesdays.

    One of her loyal listeners wrote it and recorded it for her.

    It is entitled "MISSION IMPLAUSIBLE"!

    HAHAHA!

    I would post it here, but I can't figure out how.

    You'll have to hear it on next week's "Snoop4truth Wednesday"!

    All The Best,

    Snoop
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