The Hoaxes of Deborah Tavares

[Pam]

Posted by Mayacaman (here)
"Snoop4truth" wrote:

On that thread, I am being attacked by a devout disciple of Deborah Tavares. He focuses on everything but the truth, my use of a pen name (as if that makes the truth false), my method of revealing the truth (as if that makes the truth false, my alleged status as a paid operative (as if that makes the truth false), the number of links I have provided (as if that makes the truth false) and the length of my posts (as it that makes the truth false).

This heckler who is actually a personal friend and neighbor of Deborah Tavares. He refuses to READ and analyze the PROOF for himself. Instead, he contacted Deborah Tavares by phone (she called him back). To my SHOCK and SURPRISE, she denied to him that she has ever engaged in a hoax. (It’s hard to believe, isn’t it?). HAHAHA. Rather than think for himself, he has simply accepted her denial as fact and refuses to take a look at the proof for himself. Now, he is claiming that I am a paid operative of the CIA of the A.B.A. Please join us over there and encourage this heckler to read and use his critical thinking skills. And, tell him of your experience waking up.

Snoop, These words, regarding my person which I have just now found, are false, and defamatory. In the first place I, Mark Walter Evans (my actual, birth name, which I am not ashamed to own) am not "a devout disciple of Deborah Tavares." Nor am I "a personal friend and neighbor of Deborah Tavares." Both statements are false, misleading, and untrue.

The truth is that I have met the woman, and, back in 2011 attended several {perhaps a total of four} "conspiracy" video soirees that were held at her son-in-law's chiropractic office in downtown Santa Rosa. I was the guest of a damaged new-age gal who had been expelled from Harbin Hotsprings. This gal - a Naderite - was beyond any reckoning of "left or right." That was how I came into contact with Deborah Tavares in the first place. [This woman was a friend of a friend of a friend, whom I wound up taking in, and allowed to live in a cabin on my land, for a year.]

Since 2011, I have seen Deborah Tavares and her husband Lew coming and going in their "Stop-the-Crime" van, on highway 12, a few times (perhaps three times, in all.) Sometimes there was eye-contact, and they or I would wave. Besides that, I have met them perhaps a total of three times in the downtown Plaza in Sebastopol at the Farmers Market - which is held in that town on Sundays. When I happened to bump into them, we were cordial. Again, these chance meetings happened no more than three times in all. Fact: I have never seen Deborah Tavares in any organized social gathering or context since the year 2011.

Besides that, I received a phone call from Deborah Tavares, back in May of 2017, when she asked me if I would rescue the same damaged gal {the same woman whom I had accompanied to Deborah's Saturday night conspiracy video soirees back in 2011.} I found the request a bit of a burden, but I drove up to Middletown, in Lake County, to pick that woman & her baggage up, at the Motel she could no longer afford to stay at.

However, after about five days, I was completely drained by the madness of that poor soul, and so left her out on the street, by the St Vincent De Paul free lunch, north of old railroad square, in Santa Rosa. I felt awful about abandoning the poor wretch, but it was a matter of retaining my sanity. In truth I also felt a bit infringed upon during this whole process, and afterwards, I left a phone message with Deborah Tavares, asking her why she did not take in Najma {the gal's name} herself. She did not call back to render an answer.

After the fires of October, 2017, I watched Deborah Tavares videos about the use of DEW on youtube {they were brought to my attention by my daughter who lives in Brazil.} In truth, those were the only videos of hers that I ever watched, because I do not follow Deborah Tavares, on general principles. After seeing from the post of some follower of Deborah Tavares that she seemed to have "disappeared" I called her up (yes, I have her telephone number, it is in the old Sonoma County telephone books) to see if she actually had disappeared.

After a few weeks, I got a phone call from her, to the effect that she was still alive and kicking. And that is All. -- That was the extent of my 'relations' with Deborah Tavares, prior to seeing your vicious posts defaming her. I certainly am not her "neighbor." I live in eastern Sonoma County, in the mountains, five miles from the Napa County line. Lew and Deborah Tavares live somewhere in the vicinity of Graton in the West County, over twenty miles from where i live. I have never been to their house, and have no idea of how to even get there. I do not even know the address of the place.

Your rendition of - and playing fast and loose with - the "facts" with regard to me, whom you have never met, and certainly do not know, is so far afield from reality, that I must, of necessity call into question everything that you profess on all accounts. And I actually have read a fair number of the boiler-plate letters that you post all over the internet - enough to recognize the Fact that you copy and paste endlessly - and my response on the thread on WaccoBB is not a function of my being either "a personal friend and neighbor" =OR= "a devout disciple" of Deborah Tavares, because, truth be told, I am neither.

My choice - because it was something I chose - of taking you on, Sir, is because I detest the methodology of your witch-hunt. I have seen it all before, in a multitude of manifestations, all across the 'spectrum.' My own political orientation owes nothing to Deborah Tavares or anything that she ever said in any video on her youtube channel. I came out of an old left family background, and, though I have certain conservative tendencies, & consider myself to be a kind of political "transcendentalist" I retain the class-war analysis that my little, Jewish, socialist grandmother inculcated into me beginning at the age of two.

My own small and limited personal experience of seeing and hearing Deborah Tavares in person, gives the lie to all your exhaustive boiler-plate diatribes and libel against the woman, draped in all your legalese bs. In my {admittedly limited} experience of the person that you have made a career of defaming, she is not the villain that you would have everyone believe. She actually does have a heart, and cares about humanity. And Yes, she is a flawed individual. So are we all.

That is my "testimony" concerning her. It is not a "defense" of her doctrines or political positions. For I profess a certain ignorance of all that.

But I can smell you, Snoop, and you do have the odor of a shill.

And by the way, Snoop, you still have not answered my last missive on that thread on WaccoBB, and the questions that I posed to you, personally, in it. Here is is:

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...521#post227521

Snoop,

Thanks for providing this most interesting example. We see the tactics of dismissing analysis of the actual topic of discussion by making distracting accusations that are off topic. She refutes the peripheral insignificant details, and I imagine she was very content in the fact that she proved you wrong. I'm pleasantly surprised she didn't engage the currently popular technique of making a personal accusation thrown directly at the person presenting the facts such as dismissing the presenter by calling him/her a racist -misogynist-nazi or another direct accusative name meant to dismiss any further discussion. After all, who talks to a racist ect? In my estimation, this common tactic is permeated with mental laziness and sloppy thinking with a dose of virtue signalling. I am actually surprised that this person stuck to criticizing what you say and what she perceives as a witch hunt. It's interesting that she would take the time to share the tedious details of her relationship with DT, but won't look into the details of the content.

I have to admit I morbidly enjoyed the personal glimpse of Deborah dumping an unstable person on a casual acquaintance ..what a gal.

Thanks again for all that you do. I learn so much from you and Gemma.

[snoop4truth]

Posted by peterpam (here)

Posted by Mayacaman (here)
"Snoop4truth" wrote:

On that thread, I am being attacked by a devout disciple of Deborah Tavares. He focuses on everything but the truth, my use of a pen name (as if that makes the truth false), my method of revealing the truth (as if that makes the truth false, my alleged status as a paid operative (as if that makes the truth false), the number of links I have provided (as if that makes the truth false) and the length of my posts (as it that makes the truth false).

This heckler who is actually a personal friend and neighbor of Deborah Tavares. He refuses to READ and analyze the PROOF for himself. Instead, he contacted Deborah Tavares by phone (she called him back). To my SHOCK and SURPRISE, she denied to him that she has ever engaged in a hoax. (It’s hard to believe, isn’t it?). HAHAHA. Rather than think for himself, he has simply accepted her denial as fact and refuses to take a look at the proof for himself. Now, he is claiming that I am a paid operative of the CIA of the A.B.A. Please join us over there and encourage this heckler to read and use his critical thinking skills. And, tell him of your experience waking up.

Snoop, These words, regarding my person which I have just now found, are false, and defamatory. In the first place I, Mark Walter Evans (my actual, birth name, which I am not ashamed to own) am not "a devout disciple of Deborah Tavares." Nor am I "a personal friend and neighbor of Deborah Tavares." Both statements are false, misleading, and untrue.

The truth is that I have met the woman, and, back in 2011 attended several {perhaps a total of four} "conspiracy" video soirees that were held at her son-in-law's chiropractic office in downtown Santa Rosa. I was the guest of a damaged new-age gal who had been expelled from Harbin Hotsprings. This gal - a Naderite - was beyond any reckoning of "left or right." That was how I came into contact with Deborah Tavares in the first place. [This woman was a friend of a friend of a friend, whom I wound up taking in, and allowed to live in a cabin on my land, for a year.]

Since 2011, I have seen Deborah Tavares and her husband Lew coming and going in their "Stop-the-Crime" van, on highway 12, a few times (perhaps three times, in all.) Sometimes there was eye-contact, and they or I would wave. Besides that, I have met them perhaps a total of three times in the downtown Plaza in Sebastopol at the Farmers Market - which is held in that town on Sundays. When I happened to bump into them, we were cordial. Again, these chance meetings happened no more than three times in all. Fact: I have never seen Deborah Tavares in any organized social gathering or context since the year 2011.

Besides that, I received a phone call from Deborah Tavares, back in May of 2017, when she asked me if I would rescue the same damaged gal {the same woman whom I had accompanied to Deborah's Saturday night conspiracy video soirees back in 2011.} I found the request a bit of a burden, but I drove up to Middletown, in Lake County, to pick that woman & her baggage up, at the Motel she could no longer afford to stay at.

However, after about five days, I was completely drained by the madness of that poor soul, and so left her out on the street, by the St Vincent De Paul free lunch, north of old railroad square, in Santa Rosa. I felt awful about abandoning the poor wretch, but it was a matter of retaining my sanity. In truth I also felt a bit infringed upon during this whole process, and afterwards, I left a phone message with Deborah Tavares, asking her why she did not take in Najma {the gal's name} herself. She did not call back to render an answer.

After the fires of October, 2017, I watched Deborah Tavares videos about the use of DEW on youtube {they were brought to my attention by my daughter who lives in Brazil.} In truth, those were the only videos of hers that I ever watched, because I do not follow Deborah Tavares, on general principles. After seeing from the post of some follower of Deborah Tavares that she seemed to have "disappeared" I called her up (yes, I have her telephone number, it is in the old Sonoma County telephone books) to see if she actually had disappeared.

After a few weeks, I got a phone call from her, to the effect that she was still alive and kicking. And that is All. -- That was the extent of my 'relations' with Deborah Tavares, prior to seeing your vicious posts defaming her. I certainly am not her "neighbor." I live in eastern Sonoma County, in the mountains, five miles from the Napa County line. Lew and Deborah Tavares live somewhere in the vicinity of Graton in the West County, over twenty miles from where i live. I have never been to their house, and have no idea of how to even get there. I do not even know the address of the place.

Your rendition of - and playing fast and loose with - the "facts" with regard to me, whom you have never met, and certainly do not know, is so far afield from reality, that I must, of necessity call into question everything that you profess on all accounts. And I actually have read a fair number of the boiler-plate letters that you post all over the internet - enough to recognize the Fact that you copy and paste endlessly - and my response on the thread on WaccoBB is not a function of my being either "a personal friend and neighbor" =OR= "a devout disciple" of Deborah Tavares, because, truth be told, I am neither.

My choice - because it was something I chose - of taking you on, Sir, is because I detest the methodology of your witch-hunt. I have seen it all before, in a multitude of manifestations, all across the 'spectrum.' My own political orientation owes nothing to Deborah Tavares or anything that she ever said in any video on her youtube channel. I came out of an old left family background, and, though I have certain conservative tendencies, & consider myself to be a kind of political "transcendentalist" I retain the class-war analysis that my little, Jewish, socialist grandmother inculcated into me beginning at the age of two.

My own small and limited personal experience of seeing and hearing Deborah Tavares in person, gives the lie to all your exhaustive boiler-plate diatribes and libel against the woman, draped in all your legalese bs. In my {admittedly limited} experience of the person that you have made a career of defaming, she is not the villain that you would have everyone believe. She actually does have a heart, and cares about humanity. And Yes, she is a flawed individual. So are we all.

That is my "testimony" concerning her. It is not a "defense" of her doctrines or political positions. For I profess a certain ignorance of all that.

But I can smell you, Snoop, and you do have the odor of a shill.

And by the way, Snoop, you still have not answered my last missive on that thread on WaccoBB, and the questions that I posed to you, personally, in it. Here is is:

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...521#post227521

Snoop,

Thanks for providing this most interesting example. We see the tactics of dismissing analysis of the actual topic of discussion by making distracting accusations that are off topic. She refutes the peripheral insignificant details, and I imagine she was very content in the fact that she proved you wrong. I'm pleasantly surprised she didn't engage the currently popular technique of making a personal accusation thrown directly at the person presenting the facts such as dismissing the presenter by calling him/her a racist -misogynist-nazi or another direct accusative name meant to dismiss any further discussion. After all, who talks to a racist ect? In my estimation, this common tactic is permeated with mental laziness and sloppy thinking with a dose of virtue signalling. I am actually surprised that this person stuck to criticizing what you say and what she perceives as a witch hunt. It's interesting that she would take the time to share the tedious details of her relationship with DT, but won't look into the details of the content.

I have to admit I morbidly enjoyed the personal glimpse of Deborah dumping an unstable person on a casual acquaintance ..what a gal.

Thanks again for all that you do. I learn so much from you and Gemma.

Hello peterpam,

It is so good to hear from you again.

YOUR COMMENT: Thanks for providing this most interesting example. We see the tactics of dismissing analysis of the actual topic of discussion by making distracting accusations that are off topic.

MY RESPONSE: Yep. These guys take issue with everything except the accuracy (truthfulness) of my claims. That is the one subject they can never prevail on. So, they avoid it like the plague and desperately cling to everything else that is completely irrelevant to the truth (my motivation, my technique, my emphasis, my length, etc.). But, they aren't fooling anybody and they know it.

YOUR COMMENTS: She refutes the peripheral insignificant details, and I imagine she was very content in the fact that she proved you wrong.

MY RESPONSE: "She"? Mayacaman is a male disciple of Deborah Tavares, not a female disciple of Deborah Tavares. And, how did he/she prove me wrong? You lost me on this one. HAHA.

YOUR COMMENT: I'm pleasantly surprised she didn't engage the currently popular technique of making a personal accusation thrown directly at the person presenting the facts such as dismissing the presenter by calling him/her a racist -misogynist-nazi or another direct accusative name meant to dismiss any further discussion.

MY RESPONSE: Perhaps not as much here on Avalon, but over on Waccobb, that precisely what Mayacaman did.

YOUR COMMENT: After all, who talks to a racist ect? In my estimation, this common tactic is permeated with mental laziness and sloppy thinking with a dose of virtue signaling. I am actually surprised that this person stuck to criticizing what you say and what she perceives as a witch hunt. It's interesting that she would take the time to share the tedious details of her relationship with DT, but won't look into the details of the content.

MY RESPONSE: Excellent observation! There is a good reason that Mayacaman went into his personal relationship with Deborah Tavares above. In his initial protests to me for revealing the truth about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares' on Waccobb, Mayacaman insisted that he was a completely neutral, disinterested, outside observer (so that his observations would be perceived as more legitimate by others). But, then in order to prove my characterization of Deborah Tavares (as a charlatan) wrong, he did an "about face" and simultaneously claimed that he personally knew her, her husband Lou, and their children and in-laws. He claimed to have been at parties they hosted. He described them as honorable and good, conservative republicans. He also knew all about their careers in real estate development and their backgrounds before they retired. Finally, he claimed that Deborah Tavares had recently called him by telephone. Thus, Mayacaman claimed NOT TO KNOW Deborah Tavares for the purpose of appearing neutral in the debate, but simultaneously claimed TO KNOW HER WELL for purposes of disputing my characterization of Deborah Tavares as a charlatan. So, Mayacaman is trying to have it both ways at the same time. He can't seen to keep his stories straight.

The reason he gratuitously raised the subject of not being anti-Semitic and having a Jewish grandmother (above) is that his comments on Waccobb supported Deborah Tavares because of her willingness to fight against the Jews, something that did not sit well with the Jews on that thread (of which there were many).

YOUR COMMENT: I have to admit I morbidly enjoyed the personal glimpse of Deborah dumping an unstable person on a casual acquaintance ..what a gal.

MY RESPONSE: She is happy to do whatever it takes to keep the lie alive, including dumping an unstable person on a casual acquaintance.

YOUR COMMENT: Thanks again for all that you do. I learn so much from you and Gemma.

MY RESPPONSE: It is people like you that make it all worth while.

[xylo]

Posted by snoop4truth (here)

MY RESPONSE: Your insight and your command of the English language have always been very good. But, as hard as it is to believe, you are actually improving. If you are not the author of a series of "self-help" and "self-analysis" books, then you truly missed your calling in life.

Your observations above reflect that our efforts are having a positive affect on society and that the tide is turning in favor of the truth. I have no doubt that the truth will eventually prevail over the lies.

YOUR COMMENT: The work you have done proves Tavares’ list of hoaxes in detail from multiple sources.

MY RESPONSE: I certainly think so. What impresses me more now IS THE PATTERN of Deborah Tavares' fraud. I have now identified sixteen separate hoaxes, all of which involve intentional fraud. Earlier in this thread, I said that if being a lawyer has taught me anything, it is the importance of looking for PATTERNS in general and that "PATTERNS OF CONDUCT" in particular. And, "PATTERNS OF CONDUCT NEVER LIE". Deborah Tavares' PATTERN of conduct in creating and/or in peddling these hoaxes proves that SHE INTENDS TO INCITE HATRED AND VIOLENCE against innocent Americans. That is her goal. Her hoaxes and her fraud are merely the tools she uses to incite that hatred and violence.

with respect and admiration,

Snoop

Greetings Snoop,

Thanks very much for your encouragement and insights, not all of which I left for viewing in the quote window above simply because I’m not so handy with quote-responding.

Snoop, I have you to thank for a lot of my inspiration to develop a greater command of language. The amount of detailed work you have put into debunking Tavares is awesome in the literal meaning of the word. As I’ve stated several times already (and don’t mind reiterating) I was truly at a desperate, frightened and disabled state when I discovered your work, and the fact that it your documentation so prolifically concrete and without conjecture was (and is) like a rock in the middle of a stormy sea.

Gemma and peterpam I read your posts too, and find your insights to be helpful. This entire thread serves as an archive of truth and sane reflection. I’ve pasted a link to it into Tavares YouTube comments repeatedly, and it is slowly but surely showing results. When I started listening to her more than a year ago, I only saw only praise, subservient gratitude and worship in listener comments. Today, all of that still exists but I also see skepticism, objection and occasionally antagonism. Some people take offense at being deceived. I take no pleasure in beating anyone down or targeting an individual for harsh treatment. I also listen to many presenters and have never come across anyone else who gets even close to the level of malicious, userous chicanery that Deborah Tavares manages to perpetrate on a regular basis against vulnerable people. I therefore feel as though the thoughts, feelings, reflections and pure facts put forth in this thread are appropriate, and like everyone the thing that will make me most happy is the day she chooses to look in the mirror, realize she better do some good on this earth while she can, and stop being a thug.

Until then, thanks Snoop, Gemma, peterpam, and all who participate in this strange odyssey. The game isn’t over yet and I appreciate everyone’s commitment to decency.

xylo

[xylo]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
This could probably be worth looking into further. Tavares’ new partner in crime - MARK STEELE.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NYpQcMLV7mo

According to “Annie Logical’s” investigation into MARK STEELE he could well be financially benefiting from 5G technology in partnership with his brother and their Company - in total contradiction to his rants. Getting paid for sitting on both sides of the fence??

It also appears MARK STEELE is the ex-bouncer/violent criminal who shot a 19 year old girl, (who got caught in his crossfire) and was imprisoned for 8 years and had a restraining order against him for 2 years to stop him harassing, intimidating and threatening council workers.

https://www.vigiliae.org/mark-steele-exposed/

I’ve only browsed this article and haven’t checked out the links, so cannot vouch for its validity – but there is quite a bit to support the claims if it all checks out.

Seems there is a pattern to the company Tavares keeps.

Greetings Gemma,

I found this leftover tidbit on YouTube which speaks to the thug life aspect of Tavares you are eluding to. She deleted this video from her own channel but it is still mirrored on the channel linked below. This is from her pre grooming-by-Anthony Hilder time period, somewhere around 2011. The menacing character in the hat is an associate whom I assume to be connected the oath-keepers which was the southern CA ultra-right wing association she was connected with at the time. This video is also when she was actively pushing the Judge Dale hoax, which may be one reason she’s deleted it from her current library. For anyone who studies Tavares, this is glimpse into the dangerous world of guerilla extremism which is her roots. Menacing end of the world vibe, her voice layered in as though she’s communicating thru ham radio in a pre/post-apocalyptic scenario.

https://youtu.be/TFAFNpyIp5I

All the best

xylo

[Mayacaman]

Truth ?

I see you have come out fighting, Snoop [this paragraph has been deleted by the Avalon moderators]


You speak of "Truth" - yet you would not know Truth if it bit you on the forehead. [this paragraph has been deleted by the Avalon moderators]

whose current "assignment" is to discredit Rodney Dale Class, "AL Whitney" and Deborah Tavares. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

- And anyone who stands up to offer a critique of your m.o. in this, your witch-hunt, runs the risk of being subjected to the same barrage of abuse that you direct at the Main Objects of your Defamation. It is a highly binary game that you play, spook4hire. By your rules - and the scenario you feel compelled to impose on the credibility of everyone in this Forum - everyone who opposes you must, of necessity be a member of the other team.

Why aren't you in Court, Snoop? Why have you made the Job of discrediting Deborah Tavares your Main Goal? Nobody could do - or would do - the amount of work you have expended on this Quest of yours without expecting at least a little "financial remuneration." We all have some Idea of what it a takes to keep a lawyer's meter running...

The Truth is, Anyone who would take the time to go over on the other thread would see that ALL of your statements regarding my person are false - as are the statements that your surrogate "xylo" made concerning me here, in this Forum. I won't even take the time at this moment to bother to refute all of your lies, inuendo and disinformation regarding me. ->Although I may pick that thread up at a later hour.

Suffice to say - at this point - that I am not a "male disciple of Deborah Tavares" - and your account of the Discourse over at WaccoBB.net is false beyond the point of being ludicrous:

Snoop wrote:

YOUR COMMENT: Thanks for providing this most interesting example. We see the tactics of dismissing analysis of the actual topic of discussion by making distracting accusations that are off topic.

MY RESPONSE: Yep. These guys take issue with everything except the accuracy (truthfulness) of my claims. That is the one subject they can never prevail on. So, they avoid it like the plague and desperately cling to everything else that is completely irrelevant to the truth (my motivation, my technique, my emphasis, my length, etc.). But, they aren't fooling anybody and they know it.

YOUR COMMENTS: She refutes the peripheral insignificant details, and I imagine she was very content in the fact that she proved you wrong.

MY RESPONSE: "She"? Mayacaman is a male disciple of Deborah Tavares, not a female disciple of Deborah Tavares. And, how did he/she prove me wrong? You lost me on this one. HAHA.

YOUR COMMENT: I'm pleasantly surprised she didn't engage the currently popular technique of making a personal accusation thrown directly at the person presenting the facts such as dismissing the presenter by calling him/her a racist -misogynist-nazi or another direct accusative name meant to dismiss any further discussion.

MY RESPONSE: Perhaps not as much here on Avalon, but over on Waccobb, that precisely what Mayacaman did.

YOUR COMMENT: After all, who talks to a racist ect? In my estimation, this common tactic is permeated with mental laziness and sloppy thinking with a dose of virtue signaling. I am actually surprised that this person stuck to criticizing what you say and what she perceives as a witch hunt. It's interesting that she would take the time to share the tedious details of her relationship with DT, but won't look into the details of the content.

MY RESPONSE: Excellent observation! There is a good reason that Mayacaman went into his personal relationship with Deborah Tavares above. In his initial protests to me for revealing the truth about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares' on Waccobb, Mayacaman insisted that he was a completely neutral, disinterested, outside observer (so that his observations would be perceived as more legitimate by others). But, then in order to prove my characterization of Deborah Tavares (as a charlatan) wrong, he did an "about face" and simultaneously claimed that he personally knew her, her husband Lou, and their children and in-laws. He claimed to have been at parties they hosted. He described them as honorable and good, conservative republicans. He also knew all about their careers in real estate development and their backgrounds before they retired. Finally, he claimed that Deborah Tavares had recently called him by telephone. Thus, Mayacaman claimed NOT TO KNOW Deborah Tavares for the purpose of appearing neutral in the debate, but simultaneously claimed TO KNOW HER WELL for purposes of disputing my characterization of Deborah Tavares as a charlatan. So, Mayacaman is trying to have it both ways at the same time. He can't seen to keep his stories straight.

The reason he gratuitously raised the subject of not being anti-Semitic and having a Jewish grandmother (above) is that his comments on Waccobb supported Deborah Tavares because of her willingness to fight against the Jews, something that did not sit well with the Jews on that thread (of which there were many).

This [immediately Above] is such a contortion and lying misrepresentation of the reality of what I posted over on the other thread. More lying lawyer courtroom tricks. We are aware of your kind, Snoop and how generally {& genuinely} twisted you lawyers do become, after a career before the Bar.

And the real reason that you did not answer the First Three Questions that I posed to you, articulately & continually, is because they are to-the-point and any answer you might have given would have tended to incriminate you if you were to make that answer in any Public Forum. I admit, Snoop they were loaded Questions. Yes, I could have been a lawyer - but I chose not to be one. I value my integrity.

After a while it dawned on me, over on the other thread, what your game is, Snoop; [this paragraph has been deleted by the Avalon moderators]


And, I presume, the real Reason why you did not answer my Last several Questions, & did not address the Issues that I raised there, is because you can not answer them. Again, for the same reasons...

[Mayacaman]

Let us Examine the Issues, One by One

Snoop wrote:

EXAMPLE

1. Something in the NASA War Document Hoax (above) not true?
2. Something in the Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars Hoax (above) not true?
3. Something in the Report From Iron Mountain Hoax (above) not true?
4. Something in the Agenda 21 Hoax (above) not true?
5. Something in the FORGED PG&E Email Hoax (above) not true?
6. Something in the Genocide Agreement Hoax (above) not true?
7. Something in the Rothschild Is Restructuring North America Hoax (above) not true?
8. Something in the Rothschilds Own All The Utility Companies Hoax (above) not true?
9. Something in the London Accounting Firms To Bankrupt All Cities Hoax (above) not true?
10. Something in the Judge DALE Hoax (above) not true?
11. Something in the Court Registry Investment System Hoax (above) not true?
12. Something in the All Governments & Government Agencies Are Private Corporations Hoax not true?
13. Something in the Rod Class Has Obtained Four Rulings To That Effect Hoax (above) not true?
14. Something in the Police Warned To Put Property Into Other Peoples' Names Hoax (above) not true?
15. Something in the FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax (above) not true?
16. Something in the Sovereign Citizen Hoax (above) not true?

Okay.

I know nothing about Nos. 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, and 14. As I have said before - in both Forums - I will re-iterate: I am not a "follower" of this woman, Deborah Tavares, though you have endeavored again and again to tar me with that brush, Snoop.

Furthermore, not being either a "follower" or a "loyal disciple" of hers - as you have falsely alleged - I am not familiar with her positions or 'alleged' statements that she may or may not have made in any of her videos, regarding these issues. Neither am I here to defend her positions on these issues.

What i do know a bit about, and can speak to, and offer a little "light" on is Number 8 - the nature of the Rothschild holding company, "N.M. Rothschilds & Sons, Ltd." - and Who the major stock-holders of that City of London Corporation are. That is something that I can contribute a bit of data on - and I assayed to do such over at WaccoBB.net ::: Here - and in my posts that followed in the same thread...

I posted a link to "Who owns P.G.&E." Here is the link. Deborah Tavares says that the Rothschild holding Company owns a considerable share of the stock of Edison International, which is one of the players in the P.G.&E. swamp. At no point did that gal say that the "Rothschilds own All of all of the power companies" - as Snoop has slurred this topic, to misrepresent what I assume were her actual words. As I understand her meaning she implied that the Rothschild holding company owns a "piece of the pie" in each of the private, for-profit Utility Companies. - Which should not come as a surprise to anyone.

It is a delicate subject - to mention the Rothschild holding company. Prior to the Holocaust is wasn't such a "delicate subject." It was a fair topic for debate, back in the 1930's. You may see what great gains the oligarchs {88% of whom are Gentiles} achieved by sponsoring Hitler - allowing the holocaust to proceed down to its bloody end - and then making sure that Hitler was put down.

Besides implementing the dumbing down of the masses, there has been nothing quite so effective as Gentile guilt about the Holocaust in making "progress" for the Globalist Agenda... In other words, the Capitalists have capitalized on the holocaust - all the way to the bank & beyond...

I also do know a bit - a little - on the Subject of Number 12, because I do know a bit about what went down here in Amerika in the 1930's. The points I presented to spook4hire regarding this issue - the Corporate nature of All of the Alphabet Agencies set up by the Roosevelt Administration - were categorically ignored by Spook, over on WaccoBb.net. ::: Here, and again, in my posts that followed...

The Fact that the Alphabet Agencies were registered as Delaware Corporations was read into the Congressional Record [Senate] in 1934 & 1935, I have seen it with my own eyes. I can produce a Xerox of the citation from the text of the Congressional Record, if I am called on to do so, but at present I am not able to produce a link to [this portion of] the Congressional Record, on-line. It has been buried. "Look out kid, they keep it all hid."

As to Number 15, I will say that the issue of the Bankruptcy of the United States in March of 1933 is in the Congressional Record of that year. However, Research into this has been obscured, and made difficult for the general Public by the removal of Volume One of the Congressional Record of that year [1933] and, also, Volume one, of the the Index to that year, from many, many public libraries.

However, I can produce a short two-paragraph synopsis of this issue - the "Bankruptcy of the United States in 1933" - gleaned from the internet, dating from 2001. - {And replete with links to all of the relevant references} - nine years before this Deborah Tavares had cut her teeth in any of the right wing conspiracy circuits.

Mark my words: the "United States" did go bankrupt in 1933 - it went into receivership. - This is a "true" fact. It stands, regardless of whether or not the late Congressman Jim Traficant [D, Ohio] read any such statements into the Congressional Record in 1993. {If he did, such statements have been altered & deleted.}

It was common knowledge in America in the 1930's Left, Right & Center that the United States had gone Bankrupt. Everyone knew about it and talked about it, just as everyone was shocked and appalled when the Federal Government confiscated the Gold of the private citizens in June of 1933.

Facts are facts

After I have produced my memorandum concerning these topics, I may find time to address some of the remaining Subjects on the List : Specifically, 2, 3, 4, 10 & 16. These are all important Subjects, and there is much here. All of these topics had an existence in print and media that predates Deborah Tavares becoming politically 'aware'{c. 2010)

[xylo]

Anyone who has listened to Tavares even on an irregular basis has heard her state over and over that the Rothschilds own the electrical power and utilities companies in the USA, outright. She never uses nuance or detail. If she did, her effect would be minimized because room would be left for evaluation and critical thought. She speaks in black and white terms only. Her intention is to trigger people into blind hatred, rage and subservience. Anyone who does not know that hasn’t listened.

[snoop4truth]

Posted by xylo (here)
Anyone who has listened to Tavares even on an irregular basis has heard her state over and over that the Rothschilds own the electrical power companies in the USA. She never uses nuance or detail. If she did, her effect would be minimized because room would be left for evaluation and critical thought. She speaks in black and white terms only. Her intention to trigger people into blind hatred, rage and subservience. Anyone who does not know that hasn’t listened.

xylo,

Agreed. Deborah Tavares' claims regarding the Rothschilds cannot withstand scrutiny.

"THE ROTHSCHILDS ARE RESTRUCTURING NORTH AMERICA HOAX"

THE HOAX: In this hoax, Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that an October, 30th 2017 press release stated that the Rothschilds were "restructuring north America" itself (as in "taking it over" and "changing it"). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaDYMzQ2eFQ (at 4:50-5:00, 54:00-54:20); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoEn...c4mJ_N&index=3 (at 7:30-14:30). But, the subject press release DOES NOT say this. Instead, it merely says that a Rothschild company was restructuring "IN" (as in "inside") north America. A full reading of the press release indicates that the term, "restructuring'' as used in the article, refers to Rothschild RESTRUCTURING DEBT (as in "re-financing"), NOT RESTRUCTURING ALL OF NORTH AMERICA ITSELF! See proof here. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300545454.html. The purpose of this hoax was to fraudulently create a link between the "Rothschilds" and Agenda 21, to make Americans think that the "Rothschilds" are "restructuring" all of north America under the Agenda 21 model of "sustainable development" which Deborah Tavares falsely claims will drive out of our rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

"THE ROTHSCHILDS OWN ALL OF THE UTILITY COMPANIES HOAX"

THE HOAX:In this hoax, Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that she obtained a curriculum vitea (effectively a resume' for expert witnesses) attached to the sworn testimony of a member of the Rothschild family wherein he stated that "he OWNED dozens and dozens of utility companies". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeJkYovY0AM (at 11:00-13:26). But, the subject curriculum vitea DOES NOT say this. Instead, it merely says that a "James A. Rothschild" is a financial consultant AND AN EXPERT WITNESS who has testified in dozens and dozens of court cases in which utility companies were parties. Nothing more. See pages 3-5 and pages 36-46 here. http://www.ripuc.org/eventsactions/d...hild(3.04).pdf.

FACT: So, "James A. Rothschild" has no direct involvement with any of the utility companies named in the court cases listed in the subject transcript. Otherwise, he would not have been allowed to testify as an expert witness in any of those cases.

Illustration Of James A. Rothschild's Role In All Of These Court Cases
A city gives an electrical utility company a monopoly on providing city residents with electrical power. In exchange, the utility company agrees that the city will determine the rates its residents will pay for electricity. The city promises the utility that it will set rates so as to allow the utility to pay is expenses and earn a small profit, but that it will not set rates so high as to be a burden on city residents.

Years later, the city population has tripled and the utility company needs to build a larger electrical plant to meet increased demand. But, the new plant will cost millions. So, the utility company sues the city and claims that it needs a rate increase of 50% to offset its added costs of building the new plant.

In response, the city hires James A. Rothschild as an expert witness to testify AGAINST the utility company. James A. Rothschild testifies that a 50% rate increase is excessive, because the costs of the new plant can be amortized over a twenty year period which can be absorbed by a mere 5% rate increase.

By hiring James A. Rothschild to testify as an expert witness in the case, the city saved each city resident a small fortune. Note that in the case above (reflected in the link above containing the subject transcript), JAMES A. ROTHSCHILD WAS HIRED BY THE CITY TO TESTIFY AGAINST THE RATE INCREASE SOUGHT BY THE FERRY COMPANY. So, it is NOT the case that James A. Rothschild is only hired by utility companies to testify against the public and in favor of rate increases sought by utility companies.

MORE FRAUD: In support of this same hoax, Deborah Tavares also fraudulently claims that she recently attended a PG&E stock holder's meeting wherein the PG&E Board Of Directors were allegedly seated in the front row of the audience and individually introduced to the stockholders. She fraudulently claims that a person named "Rothschild" was introduced to the stockholders as a PG&E Board member (as if that would make him the "OWNER" of PG&E). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be (at 3:00-3:45). But, this claim is not so. NO PG&E BOARD MEMBER HAS SUCH A NAME. See proof here. http://www.pgecorp.com/corp/about-us...directors.page. The purpose of this hoax was to fraudulently create a link between the "Rothschilds" and Agenda 21, to make Americans think that the Rothschilds are using "THEIR" utility company technologies as "weapons" to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

THE SOLE CONNECTION:
The sole connection that we can find between PG&E and Rothschild (person or entity) is "Roger H. Kimmel" (who is NOT a Rothschild). Kimmel was once an "independent" board member of PG&E (meaning he neither owned nor controlled any stock directly or indirectly in PG&E) at the same time he was a board member of Rothschild North America, Inc. (a bank). But, Kimmel resigned his position with PG&E on January 14th, 2019 when PG&E filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/corpor...rnia-utility-1. For the Rothschilds to be the sole "owners" of PG&E, they would have to own all of the stock in all of the following corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. For the Rothschilds to own a controlling interest in PG&E, they would have to own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/.

CONCLUSION:
The Rothschilds do not "own" PG&E outright, because they do not own all of the stock of all of these corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. The Rothschilds do not own a controlling interest in PG&E, because they do not own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. No current officer or director of PG&E has any known connection to the Rothschilds. Having a single friendly board member of PG&E (like "Roger H. Kimmel") does not make the Rothschilds the "OWNERS" of PG&E.

[Mayacaman]

"xylo" wrote:

Anyone who has listened to Tavares even on an irregular basis has heard her state over and over that the Rothschilds own the electrical power companies in the USA. She never uses nuance or detail. If she did, her effect would be minimized because room would be left for evaluation and critical thought. She speaks in black and white terms only. Her intention to trigger people into blind hatred, rage and subservience. Anyone who does not know that hasn’t listened.

Perfect, xylo. You may be right. But the fact is, I have not "listened to Tavares even on an irregular basis." That describes me perfectly. The only videos of Deborah Tavares that I ever watched, were a couple of the ones that she made in the immediate aftermath of the October '17 Fires in Northern California. I was made aware of that body of her work by my daughter, who called it to my attention in an email. My daughter, raised in Northern California, is an expatriate who lives in Brazil.

One of those videos, by the way, was an interview of Deborah Tavares, in the immediate wake of the Fires, made by the author of that link you recommended to my attention over on WaccoBB.net, someone who went by the handle "aplanetruth." His youtube channel has since been taken down. Apparently she and he are friends. So there. The comment in which you offered that aside has since been deleted (I assume by you, xylo) but that you did so is preserved in my response to you.[this paragraph has been deleted by the Avalon moderators]

for "gongw" wrote:

"Here Mark, educate yourself. https://youtu.be/7rFN7mokihkYouTube

But truly, I am not now, nor have I ever been a "follower" of this person, "Deborah Tavares" who is the Object of loathing of your hero, Snoop4truth. I have clearly defined what my experience & the limits of my knowledge of her has been, in my posts here and on the other site, WaccoBB.net. We are certainly not "close personal friends" as Snoop alleges >How in the world could he know a thing like that?< She is an acquaintance. That is the proper word that defines the relationship. Contrary to what Snoop says about it, there have been no contradictions in my account of these facts from the jump.

(Snoop wrote):

In his initial protests to me for revealing the truth about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares' on Waccobb, Mayacaman insisted that he was a completely neutral, disinterested, outside observer (so that his observations would be perceived as more legitimate by others). But, then in order to prove my characterization of Deborah Tavares (as a charlatan) wrong, he did an "about face" and simultaneously claimed that he personally knew her, her husband Lou, and their children and in-laws. He claimed to have been at parties they hosted. He described them as honorable and good, conservative republicans. He also knew all about their careers in real estate development and their backgrounds before they retired. Finally, he claimed that Deborah Tavares had recently called him by telephone. Thus, Mayacaman claimed NOT TO KNOW Deborah Tavares for the purpose of appearing neutral in the debate, but simultaneously claimed TO KNOW HER WELL for purposes of disputing my characterization of Deborah Tavares as a charlatan. So, Mayacaman is trying to have it both ways at the same time. He can't seen to keep his stories straight.

Such a lying wonder. And yet he has the Gall to speak of his pogram as a Crusade for "Truth." I never claimed to "know her well." I don't. I have spoken to her, in person, perhaps a total of eight [8] times in all. Back in 2011, at her Saturday night conspiracy video soirees in downtown Santa Rosa, that I attended as the guest of the damaged - and I would say authentically targeted - new age gal who had lived at Harbin Hotsprings for ten years & been booted out by 'Dishvara' because, in 2008 she had been promoting the candidacy of Ralph Nader by the swimming pool >@ Harbin< a little too assiduously.

In that social context I was able to talk to Deborah Tavares and her husband Lew during the coffee and cookies social after the showing of the conspiracy videos had run their course. As I only went to (approximately) four of those Saturday Night Soirees, ipso ergo, I only talked to this Tavares woman a total of four times in 2011. Since then, I have run into her and her husband a total of perhaps three times @ the Farmers Market in Sebastopol.

All of that hardly constitutes "knowing someone well" or being a "close personal friend." Both statements being false, & misleading. What I will say, is that I consider myself to be a fair judge of character, and I do not see Deborah Tavares as a died-in-the-wool Villain. Nor do I consider it likely that she conspired with others to concoct "hoaxes." She told me on the phone - after she had been trashed over at the West County Bulletin Board - that she did not know this "Rodney Dale Class" and that she certainly did not "invent" Judge Dale. I have to say that I believe her witness. I do not think that she is lying on that score.

What is possible, in my estimation of this situation, xylo, is that Deborah Tavares may have been fed a few bogus "leads" in her avid quest for "Truth" after she "came of age" in 2010, and then run with those themes. The sort of Spooks who frequent the corridors of the Conspiracy Theory House of Horrors peddle disinformation, you know. They do. In other words she may have been "set up" on occasion, since in my opinion, she definitely has a gullibility gap.

She was always a bit too deep into the "conspiracy" end of the pool for my taste, and that is the real reason why I stopped attending the Saturday Night Soirees held at her son-in-law's Chiropractic Office in beautiful downtown Santa Rosa. Truth is, I got bored. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "Seen twelve Conspiracy videos, you've seen 'em all..."

One evening, during that period back in 2011, I did try to tell Deborah Tavares about the distinction (important for academics) between "conspiracy thinking" and the "systems analysis" favored by folks like Chompsky at M.I.T. - but her attention span seemed to lag on that point, so I gave up.

The story about the speech that Congressman James Traficant supposedly made in March of 1993 on the Floor of the House appears to be such a bogus, planted story. If James Traficant actually did make that speech then the "Government" went to a great deal of trouble to pave that one over, because that "speech" is not what currently appears in the Congressional Record. And unfortunately, we are not able to ask James Traficant about this issue, because he has been taken away by the Death Angel. He may actually have been murdered. Seth Rich was.

Nevertheless, as I have stated in my last missive (above) the Bankruptcy of the United States was written into the Congressional Record in 1933. It is documented, in the Congressional Record.

Also, the truth about All of the Alphabet Agencies of the New Deal being registered as Delaware Corporations by a certain "Rexford Guy Tugwell" - a member of F.D.R.'s cabinet - was also spoken on the Floor of the Senate, and consequently written into the Congressional Record (Senate) in 1934 and 1935. I can personally testify to that. For that is something I do know (a little) about.

[snoop4truth]

1. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the "NASA War Document Hoax" not true in Post #2 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #2 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

2. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars Hoax" not true in Post #3 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #3 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

3. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the "Report From Iron Mountain Hoax" not true in Post #4 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #4 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

4. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Agenda 21 Hoax" not true in Post #5 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #5 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

5. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The FORGED PG&E Email Hoax" not true in Post #6 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #6 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

6. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Genocide Agreement Hoax" not true in Post #104 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #104 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

7. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Rothschild Is Restructuring North America Hoax" not true in Post #18 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #18 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

8. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Rothschilds Own All The Utility Companies Hoax" not true in Post #18 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #18 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

9. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The London Accounting Firms To Bankrupt All Cities Hoax" not true in Post# 48 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #48 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

10. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Judge DALE Hoax" not true in Post #58 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post # 58 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

11. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Court Registry Investment System Hoax" not true in Post #53 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #53 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

12. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The All Governments & Government Agencies Are Private, For-Profit Corporations Hoax" not true in Posts #63 and #68 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Posts #63 and #68 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

13. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Rod Class Has Obtained Four Rulings That All Governmental Agencies Are 'Private Entities' Hoax" not true in Post# 100 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #100 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

14. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The Property Into Other Peoples' Names Hoax" not true in Post #101 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #101 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

15. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing "The FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax" not true in Post #1, paragraph #15 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post # 1, paragraph #15 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

16. Something in MY ACTUAL WORDS describing the Sovereign Citizen Hoax not true in Post#108 here https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...depopulation)? If so, what ACTUAL WORDS OF MINE in Post #108 do you contend are false and WHAT INDEPENDENT DOCUMENTARY PROOF do you have of that alleged falsity?

[Mayacaman]

-Snoop wrote:

MORE FRAUD: In support of this same hoax, Deborah Tavares also fraudulently claims that she recently attended a PG&E stock holder's meeting wherein the PG&E Board Of Directors were allegedly seated in the front row of the audience and individually introduced to the stockholders. She fraudulently claims that a person named "Rothschild" was introduced to the stockholders as a PG&E Board member (as if that would make him the "OWNER" of PG&E). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be (at 3:00-3:45). But, this claim is not so. NO PG&E BOARD MEMBER HAS SUCH A NAME. See proof here. http://www.pgecorp.com/corp/about-us...directors.page. The purpose of this hoax was to fraudulently create a link between the "Rothschilds" and Agenda 21, to make Americans think that the Rothschilds are using "THEIR" utility company technologies as "weapons" to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

THE SOLE CONNECTION:
The sole connection that we can find between PG&E and Rothschild (person or entity) is "Roger H. Kimmel" (who is NOT a Rothschild). Kimmel was once an "independent" board member of PG&E (meaning he neither owned or controlled any stock directly or indirectly in PG&E) at the same time he was a board member of Rothschild North America, Inc. (a bank). But, Kimmel resigned his position with PG&E on January 14th, 2019 when PG&E filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/corpor...rnia-utility-1. For the Rothschilds to be the sole "owners" of PG&E, they would have to own all of the stock in all of the following corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. For the Rothschilds to own a controlling interest in PG&E, they would have to own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/.

CONCLUSION:
The Rothschilds do not "own" PG&E outright, because they do not own all of the stock of all of these corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. The Rothschilds do not own a controlling interest in PG&E, because they do not own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. No current officer or director of PG&E has any known connection to the Rothschilds. Having a single friendly board member of PG&E (like "Roger H. Kimmel") does not make the Rothschilds the "OWNERS" of PG&E.

Darn tootin' Snoop, The Rothschild holding company does not own the controlling interest in P.G.&E. Does any Corporation or holding company own the controlling interest in P.G.& E.? I seriously doubt it. And I seriously doubt that Deborah Tavares ever stated as much. Show me, if you would. Just supply two references, for a change. As they say in Missouri, "Show me." Because the following link that you just supplied, is a dead link, Snoop. [above @ post 248]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be

I am not aware that Deborah Tavares ever said that she saw a man introduced as Rothschild at the P.G.&E. stockholders meeting that she once attended in San Francisco. What she claims to have said - and I grilled her on this, fairly sternly, when she called me on the telephone on the morning of June 12, 2019 - was that the person she saw at the Stock-holders meeting was a man named "Roger Kimmel" - and that this man was on the Board of Directors of the American wing of the Rothschild Firm. She claims that she never said that the man she saw was named "Rothschild."

Once more, this is the new & accepted form of "Jew-baiting". It is Jew-baiting in Reverse. As a mishling Jew, I resent it and consider it a dishonest and low tactic. This is the technique that was brought to its highest level (as far as the "kill-ratio" went) in the 1990's by the ADL, and all of their deep & left-cover operatives.

The ADL, as many street-wise, dissident American & Israeli Jews will actually tell you, off camera, is no friend to those of us who in reality, have been oven-fodder for the oligarchy. -We, the 'Little Jews,' the descendants & kindred of those who actually did the suffering at Treblinka and Majdanek and Auschwitz.

[xylo]

Posted by Mayacaman (here)
"xylo" wrote:

Anyone who has listened to Tavares even on an irregular basis has heard her state over and over that the Rothschilds own the electrical power companies in the USA. She never uses nuance or detail. If she did, her effect would be minimized because room would be left for evaluation and critical thought. She speaks in black and white terms only. Her intention to trigger people into blind hatred, rage and subservience. Anyone who does not know that hasn’t listened.

Perfect, xylo. You may be right. But the fact is, I have not "listened to Tavares even on an irregular basis." That describes me perfectly. The only videos of Deborah Tavares that I ever watched, were a couple of the ones that she made in the immediate aftermath of the October '17 Fires in Northern California. I was made aware of that body of her work by my daughter, who called it to my attention in an email. My daughter, raised in Northern California, is an expatriate who lives in Brazil.

One of those videos, by the way, was an interview of Deborah Tavares, in the immediate wake of the Fires, made by the author of that link you recommended to my attention over on WaccoBB.net, someone who went by the handle "aplanetruth." His youtube channel has since been taken down. Apparently she and he are friends. So there. The comment in which you offered that aside has since been deleted (I assume by you, xylo) but that you did so is preserved in my response to you. [this paragraph has been deleted by the Avalon moderators]


for "gongw" wrote:

“... yourself.

But truly,...I ever been..., "Deborah Tavares" ...Object of loathing of your..limits of my knowledge of her has been, in my posts here and on the other site, WaccoBB.net. We are certainly not “...”as Snoop alleges >How in the world could he know a thing like that?< She is an acquaintance. That is the proper word that defines the relationship. Contrary to what...about it,...contradictions in my account of these facts...the jump.

(Snoop wrote):

In his initial protests to me for revealing the truth about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares' on Waccobb...insisted that he was a completely neutral, disinterested, outside observer (so that his observations would be perceived as more legitimate by others). But, then in order to prove my characterization of Deborah Tavares (as a charlatan) wrong, he did an "about face" and simultaneously claimed that he personally knew her, her husband Lou, and their children and in-laws...also knew all about their careers in real estate...called him by telephone...claimed NOT TO KNOW Deborah Tavares for the purpose of appearing neutral in the debate, but simultaneously claimed TO KNOW HER WELL for purposes of disputing my characterization of Deborah Tavares as a charlatan...would say authentically targeted - new age gal who had lived at Harbin Hotsprings for ten years & been booted out by 'Dishvara' because, in 2008 she had been promoting the candidacy of Ralph Nader by the swimming pool >@ Harbin< a little too assiduously.

In that social context I was able to talk to Deborah Tavares and her husband Lew during the coffee and cookies social after the showing of the conspiracy videos had run their course. As I only went to (approximately) four of those Saturday Night Soirees, ipso ergo, I only talked to this Tavares woman a total of four times in 2011. Since then, I have run into her and her husband a total of perhaps three times @ the Farmers Market in Sebastopol.

All of that hardly constitutes "knowing someone well" or being a "close personal friend." Both statements being false, & misleading. What I will say, is that I consider myself to be a fair judge of character, and I do not see Deborah Tavares as a died-in-the-wool Villain. Nor do I consider it likely that she conspired with others to concoct "hoaxes." She told me on the phone - after she had been trashed over at the West County Bulletin Board - that she did not know this "Rodney Dale Class" and that she certainly did not "invent" Judge Dale. I have to say that I believe her witness. I do not think that she is lying on that score.

What is possible, in my estimation of this situation, xylo, is that Deborah Tavares may have been fed a few bogus "leads" in her avid quest for "Truth" after she "came of age" in 2010, and then run with those themes. The sort of Spooks who frequent the corridors of the Conspiracy Theory House of Horrors...

Greetings Mayacaman,

Actually what happened on Snoop’s “Tavares Hoax” thread at waccobb is that my posts were deleted by the moderator. It’s an interesting anecdote about what can happen on locally-run forums. As I learned there, waccobb is not really a forum at all, but a bully-pulpit for one member, so distasteful I can’t even remember their name. Total bully. Always hitting below the belt and oddly enough, never reeled in by the moderator. It didn’t make sense to me. After taking issue with this member’s tactics several times, I was PM’d by several other members to not react to the bully tactics as the bully contributor was (purportedly) an emotionally unstable person with a known history of exacting violence against people in the community and even those whom they targeted on the internet. Of course I didn’t know if it was true or not, but then the moderator of waccobb PM’d me to deliver an ultimatum, either stop taking issue with the bully’s methodology or be banned. Clearly the moderator lived in fear of this individual as the bullying was over the top, and simply protesting the double standard was enough to get one banned. In the end, I chose banned. After that I heard from several friends in the community (who had been observing the proceedings) that I was lucky, the offending contributor was (in their estimation) bad news, they too had heard the rumors of violence, and I was better off not participating in that kangaroo-forum, because the whole thing is a joke. So anyway, my advice to you is that I would not waste time there. It’s not really a forum. Plus, there’s apparently a contributing member who many locals are quite frightened of.

About your question regarding the aplanetruth channel on YouTube, i don’t care about who their friends are. aplanetruth has impeccable taste, and, they never monger hate or fear. So whether aplanetruth and Tavares are friends or not, their styles could not be any more different.

Anyway, that’s it. Just keeping you in the loop, and welcome to the Avalon forum. A real forum. No bullying, no trolling. People here are vetted before gaining access.

Take good care

-xylo

[xylo]

Mayacamsn,

As per your carrying forth Tavares’ message that she never heard of “Judge Dale” aka Rodney Dale Class, here is Tavares talking about “Judge Dale” aka Rodney Dale Class:

https://youtu.be/TFAFNpyIp5I

https://youtu.be/JTRPZD3_w5k (@ 07:00)

Here is her forged document on “Judge Dale” aka Rodney Dale Class, from her website:

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/THE...-ADVENTURE.pdf


xylo

[Pam]

Posted by xylo (here)

Posted by snoop4truth (here)

MY RESPONSE: Your insight and your command of the English language have always been very good. But, as hard as it is to believe, you are actually improving. If you are not the author of a series of "self-help" and "self-analysis" books, then you truly missed your calling in life.

Your observations above reflect that our efforts are having a positive affect on society and that the tide is turning in favor of the truth. I have no doubt that the truth will eventually prevail over the lies.

YOUR COMMENT: The work you have done proves Tavares’ list of hoaxes in detail from multiple sources.

MY RESPONSE: I certainly think so. What impresses me more now IS THE PATTERN of Deborah Tavares' fraud. I have now identified sixteen separate hoaxes, all of which involve intentional fraud. Earlier in this thread, I said that if being a lawyer has taught me anything, it is the importance of looking for PATTERNS in general and that "PATTERNS OF CONDUCT" in particular. And, "PATTERNS OF CONDUCT NEVER LIE". Deborah Tavares' PATTERN of conduct in creating and/or in peddling these hoaxes proves that SHE INTENDS TO INCITE HATRED AND VIOLENCE against innocent Americans. That is her goal. Her hoaxes and her fraud are merely the tools she uses to incite that hatred and violence.

with respect and admiration,

Snoop

Greetings Snoop,

Thanks very much for your encouragement and insights, not all of which I left for viewing in the quote window above simply because I’m not so handy with quote-responding.

Snoop, I have you to thank for a lot of my inspiration to develop a greater command of language. The amount of detailed work you have put into debunking Tavares is awesome in the literal meaning of the word. As I’ve stated several times already (and don’t mind reiterating) I was truly at a desperate, frightened and disabled state when I discovered your work, and the fact that it your documentation so prolifically concrete and without conjecture was (and is) like a rock in the middle of a stormy sea.

Gemma and peterpam I read your posts too, and find your insights to be helpful. This entire thread serves as an archive of truth and sane reflection. I’ve pasted a link to it into Tavares YouTube comments repeatedly, and it is slowly but surely showing results. When I started listening to her more than a year ago, I only saw only praise, subservient gratitude and worship in listener comments. Today, all of that still exists but I also see skepticism, objection and occasionally antagonism. Some people take offense at being deceived. I take no pleasure in beating anyone down or targeting an individual for harsh treatment. I also listen to many presenters and have never come across anyone else who gets even close to the level of malicious, userous chicanery that Deborah Tavares manages to perpetrate on a regular basis against vulnerable people. I therefore feel as though the thoughts, feelings, reflections and pure facts put forth in this thread are appropriate, and like everyone the thing that will make me most happy is the day she chooses to look in the mirror, realize she better do some good on this earth while she can, and stop being a thug.

Until then, thanks Snoop, Gemma, peterpam, and all who participate in this strange odyssey. The game isn’t over yet and I appreciate everyone’s commitment to decency.

xylo

Most of us that begin to realize that we are being misled by MSM and others in many cases will begin to look for truth elsewhere. It is a learning process to come to understand that the whole "truth" movement is rife with those that want to make a name for themselves or cash in. After all, this field is really quite easy to scam, at least for awhile. Many of these folks are pretty easy to identify,but some aren't.

I can remember feeling so foolish to have bought into someones misrepresentations based on personality and perceived conviction and dedication to the cause. On the plus side, I have come to see my own mental laziness in accepting what someone says without verification. I am actually glad to have the experiences of being wrong, because I am willing to change to address the situation. The wonderful thing about this is that these skills of assessment and observation really benefit other areas of life.

I have actually noticed that your already great writing skills are becoming more precise and exacting to what you are saying, even before you mentioned it was your goal!! Great job. It's so much fun to be willing to learn.

[Pam]

Posted by Mayacaman (here)
-Snoop wrote:

MORE FRAUD: In support of this same hoax, Deborah Tavares also fraudulently claims that she recently attended a PG&E stock holder's meeting wherein the PG&E Board Of Directors were allegedly seated in the front row of the audience and individually introduced to the stockholders. She fraudulently claims that a person named "Rothschild" was introduced to the stockholders as a PG&E Board member (as if that would make him the "OWNER" of PG&E). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be (at 3:00-3:45). But, this claim is not so. NO PG&E BOARD MEMBER HAS SUCH A NAME. See proof here. http://www.pgecorp.com/corp/about-us...directors.page. The purpose of this hoax was to fraudulently create a link between the "Rothschilds" and Agenda 21, to make Americans think that the Rothschilds are using "THEIR" utility company technologies as "weapons" to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

THE SOLE CONNECTION:
The sole connection that we can find between PG&E and Rothschild (person or entity) is "Roger H. Kimmel" (who is NOT a Rothschild). Kimmel was once an "independent" board member of PG&E (meaning he neither owned or controlled any stock directly or indirectly in PG&E) at the same time he was a board member of Rothschild North America, Inc. (a bank). But, Kimmel resigned his position with PG&E meeting on January 14th, 2019 when PG&E filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/corpor...rnia-utility-1. For the Rothschilds to be the sole "owners" of PG&E, they would have to own all of the stock in all of the following corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. For the Rothschilds to own a controlling interest in PG&E, they would have to own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/.

CONCLUSION:
The Rothschilds do not "own" PG&E outright, because they do not own all of the stock of all of these corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. The Rothschilds do not own a controlling interest in PG&E, because they do not own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. No current officer or director of PG&E has any known connection to the Rothschilds. Having a single friendly board member of PG&E (like "Roger H. Kimmel") does not make the Rothschilds the "OWNERS" of PG&E.

Darn tootin' Snoop, The Rothschild holding company does not own the controlling interest in P.G.&E. Does any Corporation or holding company own the controlling interest in P.G.& E.? I seriously doubt it. And I seriously doubt that Deborah Tavares ever stated as much. Show me, if you would. Just supply two references, for a change. As they say in Missouri, "Show me." Because the following link that you just supplied, is a dead link, Snoop. [above @ post 248]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be

I am not aware that Deborah Tavares ever said that she saw a man introduced as Rothschild at the P.G.&E. stockholders meeting that she once attended in San Francisco. What she claims to have said - and I grilled her on this, fairly sternly, when she called me on the telephone on the morning of June 12, 2019 - was that the person she saw at the Stock-holders meeting was a man named "Roger Kimmel" - and that this man was on the Board of Directors of the American wing of the Rothschild Firm. She claims that she never said that the man she saw was named "Rothschild."

Once more, this is the new & accepted form of "Jew-baiting". It is Jew-baiting in Reverse. As a mishling Jew, I resent it and consider it a dishonest and low tactic. This is the technique that was brought to its highest level (as far as the "kill-ratio" went) in the 1990's by the ADL, and all of their deep & left-cover operatives.

The ADL, as many street-wise, dissident American & Israeli Jews will actually tell you, off camera, is no friend to those of us who in reality, have been oven-fodder for the oligarchy. -We, the 'Little Jews,' the descendants & kindred of those who actually did the suffering at Treblinka and Majdanek and Auschwitz.

Mayacamen,
At 3:32 seconds into this video Deborah states "Rothchild is in charge of all the utilities across the country".That is a verbatim quote, straight from her mouth. Watch it yourself, it will cost you 5 seconds of your life. Before she states that she goes on to say that while they were introducing those in the front rows at the PG and E, she heard the name Rothchild.

https://youtu.be/_NZo86TGDxg

Think of the content of that tiny little quote. If you believe Deborah, every podunk utility in the US has it's operations dictated to them by "Rothchild". She said she discovered this after she went home to research Rothchild after she heard the name at the meeting. She doesn't give us a specific first name, so all we know, according to her is that Rothchild is in charge of all of approximately 3,300 utility companies. Does that ring authentic, logical and true to you? (Actually, there are approximately 3300 electric utility companies in the US, that doesn't include stand alone Gas Utilities which would greatly increase that number._

In all honesty, you seem to be more concerned with Snoops choice of words in addressing your relationship to Deborah. The term follower can indicate many things, from a devout religious fanatic following a spiritual leader to someone who clicks on a Twitter like to become a follower of someone they don't know and may never seek out again. There is a huge diversity in what that word can means. Your disagreement may have more to do with semantics than anything else.

When Snoop first appeared with this thread I felt he was going after someone who showed absolute dedication. I wanted to prove him wrong so I broke down his info in tiny bits and started researching. I found out he was the one that was accurate and I was the one that bought into her lies and distortions. Now when I listen to something like the quote above, I really wonder how could I just let something that silly pass as truth. I am still looking at why I wouldn't question those things. I am not always naive and trusting. It seems once I decided she was sincere I let my logic and common sense fly out the window.

Also, I am not a minion of Snoop or anything other than a fellow forum member who came to appreciate his dogged quest for what is truthful in a world that can be very confusing. I believe his work is altruistic with pure intent. You don't see him trying to make a buck on Youtube or asking for patreon donations for his work do you? I'm not sure how any Psy-op group would benefit when what he is doing is showing us how to research information.

[snoop4truth]

Posted by peterpam (here)

Posted by Mayacaman (here)
-Snoop wrote:

MORE FRAUD: In support of this same hoax, Deborah Tavares also fraudulently claims that she recently attended a PG&E stock holder's meeting wherein the PG&E Board Of Directors were allegedly seated in the front row of the audience and individually introduced to the stockholders. She fraudulently claims that a person named "Rothschild" was introduced to the stockholders as a PG&E Board member (as if that would make him the "OWNER" of PG&E). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be (at 3:00-3:45). But, this claim is not so. NO PG&E BOARD MEMBER HAS SUCH A NAME. See proof here. http://www.pgecorp.com/corp/about-us...directors.page. The purpose of this hoax was to fraudulently create a link between the "Rothschilds" and Agenda 21, to make Americans think that the Rothschilds are using "THEIR" utility company technologies as "weapons" to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

THE SOLE CONNECTION:
The sole connection that we can find between PG&E and Rothschild (person or entity) is "Roger H. Kimmel" (who is NOT a Rothschild). Kimmel was once an "independent" board member of PG&E (meaning he neither owned or controlled any stock directly or indirectly in PG&E) at the same time he was a board member of Rothschild North America, Inc. (a bank). But, Kimmel resigned his position with PG&E meeting on January 14th, 2019 when PG&E filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/corpor...rnia-utility-1. For the Rothschilds to be the sole "owners" of PG&E, they would have to own all of the stock in all of the following corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. For the Rothschilds to own a controlling interest in PG&E, they would have to own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/.

CONCLUSION:
The Rothschilds do not "own" PG&E outright, because they do not own all of the stock of all of these corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. The Rothschilds do not own a controlling interest in PG&E, because they do not own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. No current officer or director of PG&E has any known connection to the Rothschilds. Having a single friendly board member of PG&E (like "Roger H. Kimmel") does not make the Rothschilds the "OWNERS" of PG&E.

Darn tootin' Snoop, The Rothschild holding company does not own the controlling interest in P.G.&E. Does any Corporation or holding company own the controlling interest in P.G.& E.? I seriously doubt it. And I seriously doubt that Deborah Tavares ever stated as much. Show me, if you would. Just supply two references, for a change. As they say in Missouri, "Show me." Because the following link that you just supplied, is a dead link, Snoop. [above @ post 248]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be

I am not aware that Deborah Tavares ever said that she saw a man introduced as Rothschild at the P.G.&E. stockholders meeting that she once attended in San Francisco. What she claims to have said - and I grilled her on this, fairly sternly, when she called me on the telephone on the morning of June 12, 2019 - was that the person she saw at the Stock-holders meeting was a man named "Roger Kimmel" - and that this man was on the Board of Directors of the American wing of the Rothschild Firm. She claims that she never said that the man she saw was named "Rothschild."

Once more, this is the new & accepted form of "Jew-baiting". It is Jew-baiting in Reverse. As a mishling Jew, I resent it and consider it a dishonest and low tactic. This is the technique that was brought to its highest level (as far as the "kill-ratio" went) in the 1990's by the ADL, and all of their deep & left-cover operatives.

The ADL, as many street-wise, dissident American & Israeli Jews will actually tell you, off camera, is no friend to those of us who in reality, have been oven-fodder for the oligarchy. -We, the 'Little Jews,' the descendants & kindred of those who actually did the suffering at Treblinka and Majdanek and Auschwitz.

Mayacamen,
At 3:32 seconds into this video Deborah states "Rothchild is in charge of all the utilities across the country".That is a verbatim quote, straight from her mouth. Watch it yourself, it will cost you 5 seconds of your life. Before she states that she goes on to say that while they were introducing those in the front rows at the PG and E, she heard the name Rothchild.

https://youtu.be/_NZo86TGDxg

Think of the content of that tiny little quote. If you believe Deborah, every podunk utility in the US has it's operations dictated to them by "Rothchild". She said she discovered this after she went home to research Rothchild after she heard the name at the meeting. She doesn't give us a specific first name, so all we know, according to her is that Rothchild is in charge of all of approximately 3,300 utility companies. Does that ring authentic, logical and true to you? (Actually, there are approximately 3300 electric utility companies in the US, that doesn't include stand alone Gas Utilities which would greatly increase that number._

In all honesty, you seem to be more concerned with Snoops choice of words in addressing your relationship to Deborah. The term follower can indicate many things, from a devout religious fanatic following a spiritual leader to someone who clicks on a Twitter like to become a follower of someone they don't know and may never seek out again. There is a huge diversity in what that word can means. Your disagreement may have more to do with semantics than anything else.

When Snoop first appeared with this thread I felt he was going after someone who showed absolute dedication. I wanted to prove him wrong so I broke down his info in tiny bits and started researching. I found out he was the one that was accurate and I was the one that bought into her lies and distortions. Now when I listen to something like the quote above, I really wonder how could I just let something that silly pass as truth. I am still looking at why I wouldn't question those things. I am not always naive and trusting. It seems once I decided she was sincere I let my logic and common sense fly out the window.

Also, I am not a minion of Snoop or anything other than a fellow forum member who came to appreciate his dogged quest for what is truthful in a world that can be very confusing. I believe his work is altruistic with pure intent. You don't see him trying to make a buck on Youtube or asking for patreon donations for his work do you? I'm not sure how any Psy-op group would benefit when what he is doing is showing us how to research information.

Peterpam,

Read BOTH sections of red text above. One red section of text are my words and the other red section of text is Mayacaman's words. One red section of text is true and the other red section of text is a lie.

After reading BOTH red sections of text above, begin listening to the following video at 3:00 (not 3:30). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be.

Then, tell me whether I got this B.S. story wrong.

DID YOU HEAR THE ACTUAL WORD, "ROTHSCHILD" TWICE?

Note in the video above that Deborah Tavares actually tells us WHO she allegedly attended this PG&E stockholders meeting with (a woman named "Orlean" who apparently introduced Deborah Tavares to the audience at the beginning of this video).

By the way, this is NOT the only video in which Deborah Tavares tells this B.S. story. There are many such videos of Deborah Tavares telling this B.S. story. I will post other versions of this same B.S. story when I get the time. Every single version of the B.S. story mentions "Rothschild" (not "Kimmel" as Mayacaman falsely claims).

While there are slight variations in each version, the basics of this B.S. story are all the same. A person actually named, "ROTHSCHILD" (not "Kimmel") was introduced to the stockholders at a PG&E stockholders meeting as a "Board Member" of PG&E (or as in this particular version of this B.S. story PG&E "HIGHER UPS").

As between Mayacaman and myself in the two red sections of text quoted above, which one of us is actually telling the truth, Mayacaman or myself? Which one of us is REALLY the liar?

Note that even if this B.S. story were true (that a "Rothschild" was introduced to the stockholders at a PG&E stockholders meeting as a PG&E "Board Member" or as a PG&E "Higher Up"), THAT WOULD STILL NOT MAKE THE ROTHSCHILDS THE "OWNERS" OF PG&E!

I am not making this stuff up!

A word about broken links: Contrary to what Mayacaman falsely claims, there are NO broken links in the Post to which he refers. All of those links work perfectly.

But, it is true that videos are sometimes taken down when I link to them in my exposes'. Those who post videos of Deborah Tavares' claims do not want to be associated with her hoaxes now that they are becoming widely known.

All The Best,

Snoop

[Pam]

Snoop, perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my post. I am not in any way saying you got anything wrong. I am agreeing with you at every point. As for Mayacamba feeling like you misrepresented his relationship with Deborah, I was pointing out that some words such as, follower can mean different things to different people. I am sorry you misunderstood me, I will have to examine my writing and see where I can improve on clarification of my ideas.

[xylo]

Posted by peterpam (here)
Snoop, perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my post. I am not in any way saying you got anything wrong. I am agreeing with you at every point. As for Mayacamba feeling like you misrepresented his relationship with Deborah, I was pointing out that some words such as, follower can mean different things to different people. I am sorry you misunderstood me, I will have to examine my writing and see where I can improve on clarification of my ideas.

I read it the same way, peterpam and Snoop.

It was a bit confusing at first as the focus of peterpam’s message was redirected midstream with a sentence which could be interpreted 2 different ways, but that one statement within the message did not match the overall theme of what was being said. As I looked at the total post from different angles, I came to see what peterpam was saying. While we are both good with words, we are not up to your level (Snoop) in terms of stating things with concrete clarity. I did not come away thinking peterpam was sending a deragatory or conflicted message.

Things can get touchy when being set upon but people who’s sole intention is to run interference. Let’s not allow that to happen here. Peterpam’s recent contributions have been tremendously helpful to me, as we are both not professional researchers and simply regular citizens who got swept up in a ruse. Of course Snoop your work has been (and continues to be) a foundation of recovery for us and many others who read but do not post here. I have revealed some of that in my own recent posts. At one point I too was an avid, unquestioning fan and blind believer of Tavares such as I detailed in my earlier posts. I too was skeptical but upon digesting your research, came to see the obvious truth which also verified my growing intuitive notions. So, once again, thanks for your work and I hope you now feel encouraged that the inestimable amount of time you have invested in debunking Tavares is finally showing fruit. As peterpam points out and I agree with, it’s clear to see your motive is purely altruistic.

All the best

xylo

[snoop4truth]

Posted by peterpam (here)
Snoop, perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my post. I am not in any way saying you got anything wrong. I am agreeing with you at every point. As for Mayacamba feeling like you misrepresented his relationship with Deborah, I was pointing out that some words such as, follower can mean different things to different people. I am sorry you misunderstood me, I will have to examine my writing and see where I can improve on clarification of my ideas.

peterpam,

No, I understood you perfectly. It was I who was unclear.

I wrote my most recent post to point out to you the false claims of Mayacaman (whose false claims you had quoted in your own post).

So, I was taking issue with the false claims of Mayacaman and backing up your claims.

It was I who was unclear.

I apologize.

With Respect,

Snoop

[Mayacaman]

xylo wrote:

Mayacaman,

As per your carrying forth Tavares’ message that she never heard of “Judge Dale” aka Rodney Dale Class, here is Tavares talking about “Judge Dale” aka Rodney Dale Class:

https://youtu.be/TFAFNpyIp5I

https://youtu.be/JTRPZD3_w5k (@ 07:00)

Here is her forged document on “Judge Dale” aka Rodney Dale Class, from her website:

http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/THE...-ADVENTURE.pdf


xylo

Xylo, I am not saying - nor did I say, ever, in either forum - that Deborah Tavares informed me {when she called me on the telephone on June 12, 2019} that "she had never heard of Judge Dale." For that is not what I heard her say. What she told me was that she did not "invent Judge Dale"- & that she "discovered his book on the Internet" - Also that she had never met & did not know this "Rodney Dale Class." -Whom Snoop has, in times past, claimed conspired, along with Deborah Tavares to manufacture the "hoax of Judge Dale."

Again, I have no cognitive reason to doubt her testimony in this regard. I think she told me the truth about these "facts" and I do not perceive her to be either a pathological liar -or- a deliberate creator of "hoaxes." To qualify this, I will re-iterate, as I have stated (above) that I also perceive that she has a "gullibility gap."

Again, this is my own personal, non-partisan perception, judging objectively from the few times that I have spoken to her in person {perhaps a total of 8 times, since 2011} =AND= the few times I have spoken to her on the telephone {again, perhaps a total of 8 times.} I re-iterate: I do not perceive her to be either a pathological liar -or- a deliberate creator of "hoaxes."

What I am concerned about is the Fact that a good many of the issues that Snoop has enumerated in his "List" are legitimate phenomena, quite real, and exist quite independently - and had a prior existence to - the political 'awakening' of Deborah Tavares, which happened sometime around 2010.

I know a fair amount about American History in the 1930's. That is why I have taken issue with Snoop's account about two of the topics on his "List" : One being the Corporatist Nature of so-called "U.S. Government agencies" & the Second being the Story that the "United States Corporation" went into Bankruptcy and Receivership in 1933. I maintain that it did, that this is an established Fact - and that it stands as such quite independently of whether or not the late, former Congressman James Traficant [D.Ohio] ever made his {supposed & probably mythical} "speech" on the Floor of the Congress in March of 1993.

Apart from that there are several other 'phenomenological' categories in Snoop's List that bear examination: "Chemtrails" , "Silent Weapons", "Sovreignty", "UN Agenda21" , et cetera... These are all important Subjects for examination and debate. And they should be thoroughly examined & debated - ad infinitum / ad nauseum. These subjects do affect us All.

These categories exist quite independently of this one little person, Deborah Tavares, & whatever she might have said about any of them. That is my position. And that is the real reason why I chose to stand up and take issue with the methodology of "snoop4truth" over on the thread, he initiated on WaccoBB.net.