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    Greetings Snoop,

    I have read the thread on wacco. I used to live in Graton, near Sebastopol, and I’m familiar with the website and newsletter.

    Wow! Is all I will say here. I have a lot to say, and will as soon as I am able to complete my registration and respond. I’ve rewuested confirmation emails 3X now but none have come through, including primary, social and spam folders. I am able to “give gratitude’ however, and I have.

    More soon

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    Quote Posted by xylo (here)
    Greetings Snoop,

    I have read the thread on wacco. I used to live in Graton, near Sebastopol, and I’m familiar with the website and newsletter.

    Wow! Is all I will say here. I have a lot to say, and will as soon as I am able to complete my registration and respond. I’ve rewuested confirmation emails 3X now but none have come through, including primary, social and spam folders. I am able to “give gratitude’ however, and I have.

    More soon

    xylo
    YOUR COMMENT: Greetings Snoop,

    MY RESPONSE: Greetings to you, partner.

    YOUR COMMENT: I have read the thread on waccobb.net. I used to live in Graton, near Sebastopol, and I’m familiar with the website and newsletter.

    MY RESPONSE: The beauty of Waccobb.net is that it serves Deborah Tavares' home town. So, the truth is getting close to Deborah Tavares' home turf. But, there is more!

    As of this afternoon, the "Deborah Tavares" thread on Waccobb.net WAS ON "PAGE 1 OF GOOGLE" under a search term, "Deborah Tavares"! So, the truth about these hoaxes is going to get out after all.

    YOUR COMMENT: Wow! Is all I will say here. I have a lot to say, and will as soon as I am able to complete my registration and respond. I’ve requested confirmation emails 3X now but none have come through, including primary, social and spam folders.

    MY RESPONSE: I cannot wait to have some vocal support on that thread. I cannot wait to read what you write over there.

    YOUR COMMENT: I am able to “give gratitude’ however, and I have.

    MY RESPONSE; I saw it. THANKS!

    YOUR COMMENT: More soon.

    MY RESPONSE: I can't wait!

    DID THE STUFF ON THE SANTA ROSA (ABOVE) FIRES HELP?

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    Default Re: The Hoaxes of Deborah Tavares

    xylo, Gemma13, peterpam and friends,

    What follows is a post that appeared on Waccobb.net today.
    https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...262#post227262.
    It is so profound that I decided to post it here verbatim for you to enjoy.

    Greetings All,

    What follows is my experience as a curious newbie (turned) avid fan (turned) fear-porn addicted (turned) truth-traumatized (turned) devastated, dehumanized and disabled by fear (turned) confused but skeptical (turned) darkly disillusioned (turned) miraculously re-awakened (turned) decidedly ticked off (turned) determined to be free (turned) once-again able to experience happiness (turned) recovering and resolved to truth-telling listener of Deborah Tavares.

    Tavares was my first experience with the dangerous, radical side of the truther movement. I had been unsettled and curious about 911, and began searching youtube for speakers on the subject, that was the old days when people were allowed to challenge the official story on YouTube. I knew about chemtrails, because I was born in in the 1950s and vividly remember a natural occurring phenomenon called clouds(for those born after 1990, google it). Having discovered geoengineering authority Dane Wiggington on Youtube, I started listening as much as possible. I wasn’t crazy after all, this stuff is really happening. This, again, was back in the days when one’s viewing list would cause YouTube’s algorithm to suggest other presenters whom they might be interested in. (That algorithm has recently been inverted, so now the only suggestions I get are TED and Google talks, CNN and other mainstream news channels). Anyway, soon Rosa Koire speaking on Agenda 21 was brought up as a suggestion. Then Elana Freeman, again on Agenda 21. Eye-opening speakers who have their feet on the ground and are clearly pretty normal people, I began to think on what they said, they had my attention but still led a normal life in which I was able to concentrate on work, experience happiness, listen to music, go on walks with my daughter, laugh, cry, feel emotion, sleep, plan for the future, cook and eat regular meals in minutes instead of seconds. Then one day, up pops Deborah Tavares in my YouTube suggestion list. The title thumbnail image showed an expressionless but intimidating looking woman in expensive clothes with big, expensive hair, entitled “(something or other) Attack And More Bad News.” What? Attack? Bad News? Sh@#! I gotta find out, quickly!

    I listened to Deborah speak, and then moved on to more Tavares presentations. Methodical, almost monotone at times, forceful and punishing at other times. Dramatic pauses, sometimes loud, sometimes hushed and whisper soft. Repeated words and sentences. Often. Each. Word. Of. The. Previous. Sentence. Repeated. As. Though. It. Was. A. Bullet. Point. I Had never heard anyone speak or present like this before. She was bold, forceful and domineering. And, she had documents. Secret documents, many of them, and all of them official government documents that she and no one else had possession of. Secret government documents grabbed in night by she and her staff of stealthy researchers. Highly trained operatives who, together were able to go where no researcher or dangerous radical activist had gone before. Documents that NASA had mistakenly posted on their website for only a few hours before realizing the error and taking them down. Fortunately, Tavares’ ever watchful eye saw the opportunity, and downloaded that evil document before NASA ever discovered their error. The NASA War Document, outlining the evil plans NASA had in the works for the unsuspecting citizens of America and the world. I saw the document in a Tavares interview. She was holding it right in her hand, and held it up to the camera. Sure enough, that was the NASA logo. Tavares and the interviewer spoke in hushed tones. They had met in a motel room, probably to throw off any agents who might be following her. This stuff was real, and very scary. I had no idea NASA was secretly planning to kill us all. But now I knew, and I had to know more. My desire to seek other presenters was gone. I had found the gatekeeper of a secret cave of Truth. A cave in which story upon story, document upon document was available for public re-education. But only from Deborah Tavares. How silly and lazy, I thought, that other presenters had not dug deeper. How fortunate, I thought, for the few of us who were learning the truth. 70,000 by last subscriber count. And only 4 million listens to The NASA War Document presentation which did have ads. But Deborah must care not about money. She’s all about risking her life for the Cause, and she appears to be well-monied so the ads, thought I, are but a neccesary annoyance to this altruistic regal warrior goddess. But now I was truly alarmed. Thr cumulative effect of listening only to Tavares’ non-stop fear-mongering was beginning to have an effect on me. The end was nigh. I knew marital law would be laid down any day now. I began to withdraw all money from the bank, and prepare for the worst. I bought things that could easily traded such as canned food, water, cigarettes, alcohol even though I don’t drink, hold and silver in small denominations, coin instead of paper money because the metal would still be with something. Thank God I had clued in to Deborah Tavares, just in time time to get things in order and say my last goodbyes. What was I going to do to protect my daughter? I can’t tell her this stuff. Life is hard enough for young people these days. She would be devastated. Should i kill myself so I could leave her more money? She is surrounded by a circle of good friends, able bodied young people. She insists on living in Denver, it where she is happy, she’ll be ok. I’m am not going to destroy her life by sharing any of this horrible informatiom. Her generation already knows, or says they now, the government is a joke, politics is a trick, politicians are all criminals and cowards, TV is mind control, college is training to be a slave and a setup to be enslaved by debt they can never repay. At age 25 the world was a very different place for me. I’m not going to ruin her world by dropping a headcase into her thoughtsystem, and in retrospect I am so thankful for that decision. My daughters life remained her own.

    As I listened on to Tavares, I gradually became incapacitated with fear. I was traumatized. Scared out of my mind. I tried to act normal around my daughter, but she was beginning to pick up my vibe. Something was absolutely not ok with Dad. Then I heard Tavares mention “truth trauma.” I sought out a therapist, to confess my desperation and fear. My therapist told I was exhibiting symptoms of PTSD, and that I should stop listening to this crazy woman, resume normal activities in life, take a walk, enjoy leisure activities, focus on my work, which I had all ways loved but I had by then become incapable of engaging in. I kind of heard what the therapist said, but anyone who has had PTSD knows the condition can only be managed, there is no quick fix. Anyway. I was too alarmed, and had to learn everything I could before the sky fell and the whole shebang went up In flames, went down the tubes, was blown to smithereens, was irradiated into a cancerous screaming death-knell of Truth.

    I’m writing about this now in an almost humorous, faux-melodramatic tone for therapeutic reasons, but I can assure you there was nothing funny about the situation or the condition I was in. It was a horrifying time in life and I could not un-know this stuff nor could I escape it. I stopped eating, instead turning to Tavares on youtube immediately upon waking. Eating became all day snacking, I didn’t have the patience or focus to make an egg. It had become sugar and fast snack foods. Only when hunger pangs reminded me. I lost 25 pounds in 2 months.

    •One sleepless night, I remembered what a good and trusted friend had told me years ago, something to the effect of “knowledge is empowerment.” Clearly, I was not feeling empowered and so I decided to learn more. I needed to conquer this demon. My daughter needed me to conquer this demon. My co-workers needed it and my friends needed it. People were looking at me strangely and expressing concern for my condition. I couldn’t talk to them about this stuff because I simply did not have the strength or willingness to argue. So, I decided to empower myself with knowledge, and write to the grand wizard herself, Mrs. Deborah Tavares, an elite, seemingly wealthy, high striding , haughty, warrior of a blond woman with unmatched tenacity, bravery and a reasonable (if inconsistent) command of language who had (according to herself and legend) escaped many murder attempts, who was a targeted individual, cruelly beamed night and day with microwaves that government agents had installed near her house and in cars that waited to follow she and her family everywhere. A mother and grandmother, living in the pain of invisible torture and yet carrying her mission forward each day. Willing to risk not only her own life, but also put the lives of her children and grandchildren in harm’s way, because what mattered most was Truth, and alerting the public ASAP. If her grandchildren had to be sacrificed, it had been apparently been decided (I assumed) ti be worthwhile. A necessary sacrifice for the cause. We’ve all heard the confessions of FBI and CIA whistleblowers say they’d been told that their families would die first if they spoke out. Deborah said she knew all of this stuff, she knew everything, she knew things that the POTUS didn’t know, but she had escaped every murder attempt so far, she had gone into hiding so she said for 2 years between ca. 2014-2016 and she had underground. To hide. These were the end times, she had come out of hiding to rally and go down with the ship, and die an honorable death. I would write to her, plead my case, a few empower myself with knowledge.
    I went to stopthecrime.net, found the contact link, and began a letter addressed to DIGIGOD@stopthecrime.net. Geez, she thinks she’s a god, well I guess she is. Don’t tell her Christian supporters because they’ll think blasphemy. But sure she’s a god, DIGIGOD. After a week, no response. After 2+weeks I realized I better stop expecting one. I continued to listen to her presentations however. As I was listening, I decided to start reading listener comments below the youtube presentations. Maybe I would learn something there. I saw many people blessing Deborah, and calling upon God and Jesus to protect her. I saw others citing her as a prophet, their special angel who they prayed nightly for God and Jesus to protect. I saw those who expressed extreme desperation and fear. Frantic confusion with pleas for Deborah to please help them, please tell them what to do. People expressing that they were so debilitated with fear as a result of listening to that presentation, they were in panic. Others expressing thoughts of suicide and recommending suicide to others. Then there was the call to arms comments. Recommendations to gather together in violent mobs and take action. And finally, much to my dismay, a good number of listeners calling for murder. “Kill the Jews” it’s the “Jew world order.” “throw the Jews down the well” Deborah, white wizard goddess of Truth has told us, it’s “the Rothschilds”, and so we know. “those Jews, “kill them before they kill us”, it went on and on. I don’t like that stuff at all. I abhor it. I do my best not to hate ignorant people who espouse it. I have Jewish heritage in my family. Most of my best, lifelong friends are Jewish. Many of my mentors in the music business are Jewish. I have friends in Israel who protest Zionism and the abuse of the Palestinian people. I have as many Jewish friends and business associates as I do all other friends put together, but if wouldn’t matter to me if I had only one Jewish friend. I would still feel same way. This violent antisemitic stuff is bullsh*#. It dawned on me that Deborah, as owner of her youtube channel, could intervene in the comments at any time to comment on or correct the flow of information, such as all other YouTube presenters do. She is worshipped by her listeners. Her words are very influential. She could make a huge positive difference here. Yet not one word from Deborah. Then I remembered, on the homepage of her website, Deborah aka DIGIGOD features a large font statement from Dietrich Boenhoeffer which says “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. To not speak is to speak. To not act is to act.” WTF! Is this woman a hypocrite, an antisemitic coward with Nazi sympathies who excites vulnerable, desperate people to say what she is unwilling to say? “All our problems are because of the Rothschilds.” “Kill the Jews” Some listener encourages it in every single Tavares comments section. I was beginning to understand.

    At that point, having sent 2 subsequent requests for information to Tavares with absolutely no responses, I decided to take a look at these renowned “documents” Deborah tells her listeners to download in every presentation. Shock. These are not official documents of any type. These are self-created bullet points and scary illustrations put together with an official logo or letterhead at the top. On the bottom is usually written the 3rd party who edited the piece together. “Veterans for Truth”, “Oath-keepers” etc. some documents were hand typed screeds with the worst grammar and spelling, words scribbled out in ink with substitute words written above, and a hand typed title at the top. No logo, no reference. Anyone could have typed “CIA this and such”, “FBI this and that”. The “NASA War Document” was a list of high-school level “strategies” written as bullet points with the official NASA logo at the top of the page. “The Report From Iron Mountain”, the same. This is bullsh#@. WTF.

    •At that point my Tavares listening had led me to a series of appearances where she was the guest on internet radio shows such as Granada Forum. What I heard, I didn’t like. I had already began to tire of her talks, which left me feeling like an unfortunate third grade student who was having the fear of God hammered into them by some burned out wicked school administrator. Hearing her interact with hosts in an interview setting was a hole new and eye-opening experience. Tavares was cruel. Admonishing hosts to for participating in their own radio show, which was an interview format. Talking right over their attempts to participate and succeeding in backing them down through sheer willfulness. momentum and a willingness to be mean spirited and rude. Seemingly without conscience. Absolutely without gratitude. One such interaction I remember is from a Granada Forum appearance. The hosts had already been admonished, warned and talked over. Tavares is one intimidating woman. One host, after about 5 minutes, tried to ask a question. “I’m not finished!” Tavares snapped, “but since you’ve interrupted me, go ahead.” The host squeezed out a few words which Tavares ignored, interrupted and continued one with her intimidating screed of fear and doom. On presentations where there were multiple guests, Tavares would simply assume she was to speak first, interrupt the host’s introduction, bulldoze on in her self-important tone, and talk over anyone else who might be speaking until they backed down, and seize control of the show. Control, I realized is one of her big MOs. Her manner of speaking is controlling and her pedantic hammering rhythm does indeed seem to induce a form of mind control. Some of these shows are European. Europeans are by nature or culture, extraordinarily polite and gracious. It’s not in them to be aggressive, domineering and rude. When faced with it, they simply shut up. They are not dumb or weak, they are allowing the blowhard to make a fool of themselves. The blowhard is always an American. Any American with even the shortest antenna figures out pretty quickly and simply by paying attention to pick up on the grace of interaction that Europeans excel at. Anyone who has even the slightest interest in a colleague’s perspective will do the same knowing that these interactions present a fantastic opportunity to learn. Tavares seems to have no intellectual curiosity. In her line of work, or her method of work, learning from others is of little interest or use. For her it’s not about expansion, it’s about contraction.
    •By this time, for whatever reason, Tavares had stopped creating her own presentations, and was relying solely upon hosts of internet radio programs to invite her to be a guest. Not surprisingly, no one from past appearances was inviting her back. Granada Forum had begun to post unhappy complaints in the comments sections of her repost of interviews done on their channel. No one else was inviting her either, and so she went back to her old friend and unconditional supporter, Dr. Bill Deagle, who hosts regular radio shows on his channel. I think Bill is a good guy. He’s loyal, he smiles and injects humor. He also gives Tavares a wide berth and lots of room to speak, but he’s made it clear during these interviews that it’s his show, he’s the host, and he insists on participating even it’s Deborah Tavares who is the guest. Tavares, with no other options at that point, began to show some respect, gratitude and relative patience given her temperment. Bill was rehabilitating her, in a way. She gradually was learning to share time and act respectfully, and in return, she got weekly airtime and an edited recording to post on her channel. Tavares listeners are another story however. They are cold, cruel, nasty, impatient and verbally violent. They hate Dr. Bill. Most of the comments under Dr. Bill postings are “shut TF up and let the woman speak”, “you’re a slob and a moron, no one wants to hear you, don’t you know who you’re in the presence of? SHUT UP and let Deborah talk”. Unknown to Tavares listeners, Bill is dealing with a serious medical condition which affects his speech at times. Listeners rip him to shreds for this, cruelly antagonizing “you sound like an old drunk” “what are you doing, eating soup?.” “ you uncouth slob” and worse. The comments sink to the level of violent obscenity. It’s ugly to witness and very sad. Tavares never ever once has stepped in to defend her good friend. The guy who sticks by her when all others won’t have anything to do with her. I was enraged by this. “Not to speak is to speak.” Tavares blatantly used her good friend on a weekly basis and then just tossed him to the wolves. Again and again and again. No honor is an understatement.
    By this time I was getting ticked off enough to take some action, and so I posted comments and my unanswered questions under her videos. At first one of her staff answered as a response, “yes, what can I do for you?” I reiterated the question, which was a request for documentation on a new theme Tavares had been riffing on. How the city of Santa Rosa had hired London Accounting firm Ernst and Young to purposefully bankrupt the city. No response. I sent the request directly to DIGIGOD. No response. I wrote as a comment that I too was traumatized and living a disabled life as a result of unshakable fear from listening to Tavares’ presentations. MIRACLE. A knowing, seasoned Tavares listener responded, clueing me in to the hell she peddles, with a recommendation to check out (the now defunct) aplanetruth on youtube. MIRACLE. The owner of that channel truly educates, without the rude and punishing drama. With knowledge comes empowerment. I began to learn truth, real truth, starting with history. Sure the Rothschilds and part of international banking and local utilities, but they are just facilitators. Learn your history! The Knights Templar, the Vatican and Jesuits, the 13 illuminati bloodlines of which the Rothschilds are just one, British Crown Royalty the Windsors, Freemasons, Rome, London and Washington D..C. By learning the bigger picture and much more, my debilitating fear began to subside, and my ability to focus and work and be present for my daughter increased. Miracle.

    •Then, I decided to to a web search of “Deborah Tavares.” Major Miracle! I discovered Snoop’s thread “the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares” on the Project Avalon forum. My God I was not crazy, I was not alone, I was not imagining things. Here was proof. With multiple redundancies to assuage any doubts about a single source. I saw the Real documents. I learned the real stories. I was right! The documents of Tavares’ website ARE phony. Forgeries. The stories she had concocted were upside down. I will not detail every document and story but I did check them all out, and each one is a falsification, an edit, or an outright lie. None of them are real. Some of the subjects she speaks to are real, such as cellphone and smart meter radiation, 5G, Agenda 21 etc. But I came to understand that Tavares uses these basic truths as springboard talking points to launch off into conjecture, exaggeration, and plain lies. She bounces around so quickly, the listener is still realizing what they just heard as she is spinning off into an elaboration and connecting dots that doesn’t even exist. Why? Why not just tell the truth? Why not say “The Report From Iron Mountain” is a work of fiction, a very prophetic work perhaps, but still a political satire published in 1967 which went on to spend weeks on the NY Times bestseller list, and which was later pirated by ultra right wing extremist groups and republished under the false pretense of being a leaked secret government report. Given all of that it is remarkable how prophetic this book has turned out to be” etc. that’s the truth. Why not tell the truth? The only thing I can think of is that it’s easier to control people with lies. If you are the only purveyor of a given story, you maintain control over your public. And, as soon as you start revealing one truth, the whole ball of yarn starts to unravel, leaving you, an insecure narcissistic vanity activist, with nothing. No knowledge of history, no more hate and fear to peddle, no more Nazi sympathizers to excite, no more vulnerable people to scare the bejesus out of. No more myths of multiple murder attempts by the government, no more targeted individual woe is me stories to dramatically leverage people with. The show is over, they’ve pulled back the curtain and theyre moving the tables and chairs out of the building, you’re now just staring at a brick wall in an empty room. Even worse, now you must look in the mirror. Karma. Very scary to one who live a lie, feeds off of other people’s fear, uses props such as expensive clothes, big hair, reams if “documents”, projecting the impression of elitism wealth and money, and an carrying an air of arrogance which is used as a tool to leverage, manipulate and dominate others.
    Times are changing. Recently youtube and google have censored Truth, scrubbed videos, terminated entire channels and at the very least demonetized (no more YouTube placed ads) for all “Truther” channels. Remaining channels unite, and speak out when yet another channel is terminated. So much so, that there has been a small amount of success. all of these channels are Tame compared to Tavares on stopthecrimecrime. No one speaks as dangerously and outrageously threatening as she does. Not close. And while these channels have been under assault, there sits Deborah Tavares, as outrageous, as fear-mongeringa d hate inciting as ever, WITH YouTube placed ads still running! She’s the ONLY ONE. She never ever comes to the defense of newly censored “fellow” truther channels. No Honor.

    How can this be? To those of us that lived through the 1960s and have come to know controlled opposition, paid disinformation and nefarious government activities such as Cointelpro, I think youtube and google have now made it easy for us to know who is telling truth and who is not. Or who might be serving a useful purpose by steadily adding to the destabilizing of society. Whatever it is, youtube and the controllers clearly like her and approve of her activities. They even help to support her by running ads in her videos. But no one else’s. SGT Report, Black Pigeon Speaks, Shaking My Head productions, Logic Before Authority, Mike Morales, all demonetized. These are all level headed presenters to do not preach hate and fear. Some have 500,000 subscribers. YouTube’s words “ their audience is not deemed suitable for advertisers.” And yet Tavares, with her wild and dangerous radical propaganda - “your government is out to kill you” “this is all because of The Rothschilds” “NASA is a death machine” “protest, rebel, be fearful, hate is in the air.” YouTube’s tacit endorsement of Tavares “deemed suitable for advertisers”. “Hey, buy the Patriot Solar powercell” the “ Patriot this or that.” “Hey, 5G is coming and it’s going to be great!.”

    We live in an upside down world. We face significant challenges. This is no time to be disabled by fear, or to be incited to murder each other, or to worship false DIGIGODS, or commit suicide or encourage others to commit suicide. “Suicide is wrong in the eyes of God” lamented one recent commenter. “A bullet taken while in the spirit of resistance is honorable in God’s eyes” resounded another Tavares listener, as an act of encouragement, this past weekend, June 14, 2019. God help us.

    So there’s my Deborah Tavares story. You decide. Thanks for reading,


    gongw
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    Yes it is truly a moving, inspirational, and educational post. I created a thread for it also:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1298353

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    Thank you Snoop and Gemma,

    Sorry for any confusion, which I hope I’ve cleared up in the thread that Gemma started, using the post you’ve included, above. For those who are not aware, I wrote that post on the wacco forum. The reason the user name is gongw instead of xylo is that my registration on wacco became glitched and unfixable, so I had to re-register under a different user name. I didn’t think it was a big deal as I had engaged in no double posting using different user names. I didn’t realize until today, upon seeing another member’s imagination run wild in Gemma’s thread, that I needed to provide clarity ASAP. My apologies for any trouble or confusion. Thank you Gemma and Snoop for promoting this new and more detailed recounting of my experience as a Tavares listener. I’m still glad this updated version is posted here. As time goes on I’m better able to understand how deeply Tavares’ truth trauma had gone, and my ability to describe the experience has become stronger. If that serves to help others as they navigate the dangerous world of those like Tavares who would deceive others into investing their trust, I’m very happy.

    Best to all,

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    Thank you Gemma

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    Thank you Gemma
    xylo, Gemma13, peterpam and other "cheerleaders" for truth,

    What follows incorporates my brand new discovery about the "Agenda 21 Map".

    DEBORAH TAVARES & THE AGENDA 21 HOAX.

    For all other Deborah Tavares hoaxes (NASA, Silent Weapons, Iron Mountain, Agenda 21, PG&E Fires, Genocide), click here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eborah-Tavares

    VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ENGAGED IN THE HOAX:
    (Jeff Rense is not involved in the hoax.).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQfXQWHRAw at 4:40-4:50, 9:25-9:55
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeNsM0a75iE at 23:25-23:50

    THE DOCUMENTS:
    The Agenda 21 Hoax is based on two documents. Agenda 21 itself was a REAL United Nations document. It was a SUGGESTION to protect the environment WHICH THE UNITED STATES SENATE REJECTED. So, it never became the law. (See the 2nd paragraph here. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/article-ii-section-2). The document was REAL. So, the hoax is not the document itself. The other document involved in this hoax is a "SIMULATED" land use map which Deborah Tavares fraudulently calls the "Agenda 21 Map". This "SIMULATED" land use map is NOT REAL and DOES NOT EVEN APPLY TO AGENDA 21 in the first place. Instead, it was the work of a single opponent to the "Biological Diversity Treaty" (something different from Agenda 21) and was used to create opposition to that particular proposed treaty, WHICH THE UNITED STATES SENATE ALSO REJECTED. Because the United States Senate REJECTED BOTH Agenda 21 and the Biological Diversity Treaty (to which the map related), BOTH AGENDA 21 AND THE BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY TREATY ARE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THE UNITED STATES. Deborah Tavares knew the truth (above) all along, but nevertheless decided to lie to her followers about it in order to incite fear, hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

    THE HOAX:
    In the "Agenda 21 Hoax", Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that the Agenda 21 document "PROVES" that the United Nations is using diabolical methods (like fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to force us out or our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so.

    The Agenda 21 document was written by the world's leading environmental scientists (not by "PG&E", the "Rothschilds" or the "Rockefellers"). Agenda 21 was first presented to the public at the "EARTH SUMMIT" (an environmental conference) in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil in 1992.

    The "Agenda 21" document suggested that we reduce the rate at which we deplete our natural resources to the same rate at which at which they can recover from being depleted (called "sustainable development"). If the United States Senate had ratified or approved Agenda 21, it would have PROTECTED MOST OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, exactly the opposite to what Deborah Tavares claims in her hoax (to the effect that the United Nations intentionally burned the forests of California in furtherance of the Agenda 21 agenda WHICH WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO PRESERVE THOSE VERY FORESTS FROM DESTRUCTION IN THE FIRST PLACE). If the United States Senate had ratified or approved Agenda 21, it would have also REDUCED DROUGHT AND INSURED AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER not contaminated by SEWAGE.

    AGENDA 21 IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN THE UNITED STATES!
    Agenda 21 was only a SUGGESTION that member nations were permitted, BUT NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT for themselves. While president Bush symbolically "signed" Agenda 21,THE UNITED STATES SENATE REJECTED AGENDA 21. So, Agenda 21 IS NOT THE LAW anywhere in the United States, DOES NOT APPLY anywhere in the United States and CANNOT BE (AND IS NOT) ENFORCED anywhere in the United States. (See the 2nd paragraph here. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/article-ii-section-2 ).So, Agenda 21 is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States.The 5th paragraph here sums it up perfectly. https://www.splcenter.org/20140331/a...spiracy-theory . But, Deborah Tavares FRAUDULENTLY CONCEALS that CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FACT from her followers.

    WHAT AGENDA 21 IS ACTUALLY ABOUT:


    BELOW IS A SECTION OF THE ACTUAL "TABLE OF CONTENTS" OF "AGENDA 21" ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF "AGENDA 21".

    SECTION II. CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT OF RESOURCES FOR DEVELOPMENT
    9. Protection of the atmosphere 9.1 - 9.35
    10. Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources 10.1 - 10.18
    11. COMBATING DEFORESTATION 11.1 - 11.40
    12. MANAGING FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS: COMBATING desertification and DROUGHT 12.1 - 12.63
    13. Managing fragile ecosystems: sustainable mountain development 13.1 - 13.24
    14. Promoting sustainable agriculture and rural development 14.1 - 14.104
    15. CONSERVATION OF BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY15.1 - 15.11
    16. Environmentally sound MANAGEMENT OF BIODIVERSITY 16.1 - 16.46
    17. Protection of the oceans, all kinds of seas, including enclosed and semi-enclosed seas, and coastal areas and the protection, rational use and development of their living resources 17.1 - 17.136
    18.PROTECTION OF THE QUALITY AND SUPPLY OF FRESHWATER RESOURCES: application of integrated approaches to the development, MANAGEMENT and use of WATER RESOURCES 18.1 - 18.90
    19. Environmentally sound management of toxic chemicals, including prevention of illegal international traffic in toxic and dangerous products 19.1 - 19.76
    20. Environmentally sound management of hazardous wastes, in hazardous wastes 20.1 - 20.46
    21. Environmentally sound MANAGEMENT OF solid wastes and SEWAGE-RELATED ISSUES 21.1 - 21.49
    22. Safe and environmentally sound management of radioactive wastes

    AND, ALL OF THIS IS ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF AGENDA 21 HERE.
    https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...s/Agenda21.pdf

    BELOW IS THE ACTUAL TEXT OF AGENDA 21.

    https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...s/Agenda21.pdf
    (THIS IS A MUST READ.). BEGIN AT SECTION 11.1 AT ABOUT 25% THROUGH THE TEXT. THE ACTUAL TEXT OF AGENDA 21 READS AS FOLLOWS:

    AGENDA 21 – CHAPTER 11

    COMBATING DEFORESTATION

    PROGRAMME AREAS

    A. Sustaining the multiple roles and functions of all types of FORESTS, FOREST LANDS and WOODLANDS.

    Basis for action

    11.1. There are major weaknesses in the policies, methods and mechanisms adopted to support and develop the multiple ecological, economic, social and cultural roles of TREES, FORESTS, and FOREST LANDS. Many developed countries are confronted with the effects of air pollution and FIRE DAMAGE ON THEIR FORESTS. More effective measures and approaches are often required at the national level to improve and harmonize policy formulation, planning and programming; legislative measures and instruments; development patterns; participation of the general public, especially women and indigenous people; involvement of youth; roles of the private sector, local organizations, non-governmental organizations and cooperatives; development of technical and multidisciplinary skills and quality of human resources; FORESTRY extension and public education; research capability and support; administrative structures and mechanisms, including intersectoral coordination, decentralization and responsibility and incentive systems; and dissemination of information and public relations. This is especially important to ensure a rational and holistic approach to the sustainable and environmentally sound development of FORESTS. The need for securing the multiple roles of FORESTS and FOREST LANDS through adequate and appropriate institutional strengthening has been repeatedly emphasized in many of the reports, decisions and recommendations of FAO, ITTO, UNEP, the World Bank, IUCN and other organizations.

    Objectives
    11.2. The objectives of this programme area are as follows:
    a. To STRENGTHEN FOREST-RELATED NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, to enhance the scope and effectiveness of activities related to the management, CONSERVATION and sustainable development of FORESTS, and to effectively ensure the sustainable utilization and production of FOREST'S goods and services in both the developed and the developing countries; by the year 2000, to strengthen the capacities and capabilities of national institutions to enable them to acquire the necessary knowledge for the PROTECTION AND CONSERVATION OF FORESTS, as well as to expand their scope and, correspondingly, enhance the effectiveness of programmes and activities related to the management and development of FORESTS;
    b. To strengthen and improve human, technical and professional skills, as well as expertise and capabilities to effectively formulate and implement policies, plans, programmes, research and projects on management, CONSERVATION and sustainable development of all types of FORESTS and FOREST-based resources, and FOREST LANDS inclusive, as well as other areas from which FORESTS BENEFITS CAN BE DERIVED.

    AND, THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF SECTION 11 OF AGENDA 21!

    IMPORTANT:
    You will note from the actual WRITTEN words of Agenda 21 itself (above), THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR INCREMENTALLY REDUCING THE AREAS ALREADY OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE (to systematically drive them from their rural and suburban homes and into increasingly smaller, densely packed, over-populated "KILL CITIES" or "SMART CITIES" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind). According to the actual WRITTEN words of Agenda 21 itself, its purpose was to REDUCE DEFORESTATION).

    THE "AGENDA 21 MAP"
    In addition to the Agenda 21 document itself (described above), Deborah Tavares also claims to have discovered a land use map which she fraudulently claims CONSTITUTES PROOF that Agenda 21 is a plan which uses diabolical means (like forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, this is not so.

    To see this "SIMULATED" land use map, scroll down to about 40% through the text here. http://www.renegadetribune.com/parad...ather-warfare/.

    IMPORTANT:
    Note that this "SIMULATED" land use map makes NO REFERENCE to "Agenda 21" whatsoever and that IT REFERS INSTEAD to the "Convention On Biological Diversity" (something different from Agenda 21). Importantly, this "SIMULATED" land use map ALSO REFERS TO "The Wildlands Project" (a mere suggestion from private environmentalists which has NOTHING to do with the United Nations), "UN and US Man And Biosphere Program", various "Heritage Programs" and "NAFTA" (which ALSO has NOTHING to do with the United Nations).

    PROOF THAT AGENDA 21 AND THE BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY TREATY ARE DIFFERENT FROM ONE ANOTHER.
    Scroll down to the 9th un-numbered page to the Table Of Contents here. Compare this Table Of Contents to the Table Of Contents above. https://portals.iucn.org/library/efi...LP-no.030.pdf;
    See paragraph 3 here. http://www.eniscuola.net/en/2012/01/...rio-to-rio20/;
    See paragraphs 1 & 6 here. https://www.cato.org/publications/po...-conservation;
    See paragraphs 91, 106, 107 & 108 here. http://www.fao.org/3/x5586E/x5586e06.htm;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21 (proposed in 1992);
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conven...ical_Diversity (begun in 1994);
    Scroll down to about 65% through the text to the END of the paragraph just below the BLUE subtitle which reads, "Sustainable use of biodiversity: Developing incentive measures". https://www.oas.org/dsd/publications...a04e/ch10.htm;

    OTHER VERSIONS OF THIS MAP:
    https://www.google.com/search?source...30.Fm6zNgdf57I

    ABOUT THE MAP:
    Dr. Michael S. Coffman was a prolific writer, speaker and property rights advocate. He often spoke at "liberty" conferences sponsored by the John Birch Society. He was an "environmental consultant", which is code for a lobbyist for large land owning interests and logging & mining corporations. Coffman and his clients opposed land use regulations in general and environmental regulations in particular. In 1994, when Congress was scheduled to vote on ratifying the proposed "Biological Diversity Treaty" (something different from Agenda 21), Coffman created the subject "SIMULATED" land use map to create opposition to that particular proposed treaty (not to Agenda 21). https://www.metabunk.org/explained-a...paganda.t6855/ It worked. The United States Senate ALSO REJECTED that proposed treaty. Below is a verbatim transcript of the actual Senate debate on that proposed treaty which the Senate ALSO REJECTED. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...-pt1-PgS22.htm.

    Coffman conceded that his "SIMULATED" land use map reflected what would be the resulting land use in the United States ONLY IF "ALL" OF THE PROPOSED LAND USE REGULATIONS listed at the top of his map became the law ("The Wildlands Project", "UN And US Man And Biosphere Program", various "Heritage Programs", etc.). But, Agenda 21 itself was not among those proposed land use regulations, because by the time Coffman created his "SIMULATED" land use map in 1994, THE UNITED STATES SENATE HAD ALREADY REJECTED AGENDA 21. So, Coffman relied on OTHER proposed land use regulations in creating his "SIMULATED" land use map.

    Coffman's "SIMULATED" land use map was WILDLY EXAGERATED (for propaganda purposes) both visually and verbally (note the very first word on the map, "SIMULATED"). Coffman himself coined the phrase, "LITTLE OR NO HUMAN USE" (for propaganda purposes), a phrase which does not appear in any of his alleged source material. Note also that for propaganda purposes, Coffman gave EVERY tiny wildlife refuge on his map MULTIPLE, very wide (25 miles wide), migration routes to and from neighboring wildlife refuges, rather than merely one or two narrow ones. This created the illusion that there would almost no land left for human use.

    COFFMAN INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED AND EXAGGERATED HIS LAND USE MAP (WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21) TO CREATE THE APPEARANCE THAT IF ALL OF THESE OTHER PROPOSED LAND USE REGULATIONS WERE TO BECOME LAW, THEN, THERE WOULD BE LESS LAND AVAILABLE FOR HUMAN USE.

    IT WAS COFFMAN'S EXAGGERATED ("SIMULATED") LAND USE MAP (WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21) THAT BECAME THE FOUNDATION FOR THE ORIGINAL CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT AGENDA 21 WILL FORCE US OUT OF OUR RURAL AND SUBURBAN HOMES AND INTO OVERPOULATED CITIES, EVEN THOUGH THAT EXAGGERATED ("SIMULATED") LAND USE MAP ACTUALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21 IN THE FIRST PLACE!

    FACT:
    But, it was Deborah Tavares alone who came up with the new, improved and more sensational version of this hoax to the effect that Agenda 21 is a "plan" to use diabolical means (like forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space) to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the extinction of mankind. Note that this new, improved and more sensation version of this hoax allows Deborah Tavares to incorporate some of her other hoaxes (to the effect that PG&E used directed energy weapons on satellites in space to start the recent fires in California and to the effect that PG&E will use radiation from "smart meters" to kill us all).

    FACT:
    Deborah Tavares has always known that Coffman's "SIMULATED" land use map was both wildly exaggerated and that IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AGENDA 21, much less with the United Nations using forest fires and laser beams from satellites in space to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, Deborah Tavares nevertheless decided to lie about it to her followers anyway in order to incite fear, hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

    CONCLUSION:
    The United States Senate REJECTED Agenda 21. So, Agenda 21 IS NOT THE LAW in the United States and IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States. Coffman's exaggerated ("SIMULATED") land use map has NOTHING to do with Agenda 21. Coffman created his exaggerated ("SIMULATED") land use map to generate opposition to the Biological Diversity Treaty (something different from Agenda 21). Coffman's exaggerated ("SIMULATED") land use map was based on all of the proposed land use regulations EXCEPT FOR AGENDA 21 ("The Wildlands Project", "UN And US Man And Biosphere Program", various "Heritage Programs", etc.).

    APPLICATION TO HOAX:

    THE RECENT CALIFORNIA FIRES DID NOT ADVANCE THE PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 (TO PREVENT FURTHER DEFORESTATION). INDEED, THE RECENT FIRES IN CALIFORNIA ACTUALLY UNDERMINED THE REAL PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 (BY DESTROYING THE VERY FORESTS THAT AGENDA 21 WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO PROTECT)!

    THEREFORE, THE RECENT CALIFORNIA FIRES WERE NOT AGENDA 21 FIRES, EVEN IF THEY WERE THE RESULT OF SOME OTHER CONSPIRACY, unrelated to Agenda 21.

    So, whether or not there is a "planned extinction of mankind", this document provides no support for that proposition.

    APPLICATION OF CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS:
    If I were a charlatan, and if I wanted to create a BETTER version of the Agenda 21 Hoax, this is how I would do it.

    1. I would create videos and I would show the REAL, ACTUAL "AGENDA 21" DOCUMENT (unmodified) showing the Agenda 21 "agenda" AS IT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN in the official document (showing that its purpose is to PROTECT THE REMAINING FORESTS, PREVENT DROUGHT AND ENSURE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE (all of which is verifiably true).

    2. Then, in my videos, I would show written proof that "AGENDA 21" WAS REJECTED BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THAT IT IS NOT THE LAW, AND THEREFORE IS NOT ENFORCEABLE ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES (all of which is verifiably true).

    3. Then, in my videos, I would show ALL OF THE ENVIROMENTAL CATASTROPHES SUFFERED BY CALIFORNIANS SINCE 1992, when Agenda 21 was first proposed AND REJECTED BY THE UNITED STATES SENATE (DESTRUCTION OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, INCREASED DROUGHT, ABSENCE OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE, PEOPLE RENDERED HOMELESS AND DISPLACED BY FOREST FIRES, ETC.).

    4. Then, in my videos, I would claim that "THE REFUSAL" (ITSELF) of U.S. Government to adopt "Agenda 21" in I992, and every year since then, constitutes conclusive "PROOF" that the U.S. Government ACTUALLY SOUGHT TO PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL THE REMAINING FORESTS IN CALIFORNIA, PURPOSELY INCREASE DROUGHTS IN CALIFORNIA AND PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL SUPPLIES OF FRESH WATER IN CALIFORNIA so as to purposely drive Californians out of their rural and suburban homes and into cities far away from the forests and wilderness areas.

    That would make a much BETTER "Agenda 21 Hoax", BECAUSE (except for the nefarious intentions of the U.S. Government part) IT IS ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, VERIFIABLY AND FACTUALLY TRUE IN EVERY SINGLE RESPECT! That would make for a much MORE LOGICAL EXPLANATION for the ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHIES SUFFERED BY CALIFORNIANS than the story that Deborah Tavares peddles now (WHICH ACTUALLY CONTRADICTS THE REAL AGENDA OF AGENDA 21 TO PROTECT THOSE VERY FORESTS FROM DESTRUCTION).

    MORE APPLICATION OF CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS:
    FACT: When corporate interests are threatened by proposed laws that would reduce their profits, they launch a public relations campaign against those proposed laws. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose the proposed laws for reasons of their own selfish interests. Instead, they pretend that they oppose the proposed laws to protect the interests of society in general (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

    EXAMPLE: CONSIDER THIS HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE AS IT RELATES TO AGENDA 21. (NOTE: THIS MAY NOT HAVE EVER OCCURRED. IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE THIS PRINCIPLE OF CORPORATE PUBLIC RELATIONS WARS.).

    If made into law, Agenda 21 (a proposed law) would slow the rate at which logging & mining corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests (and thereby slow the rate at which they generate profits).

    So, these corporate interests launch a public relations campaign against Agenda 21. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose Agenda 21 to protect their own profits. Instead, they pretend to oppose Agenda 21 to protect the rest of society (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

    So, they come up with a CAREFULLY-CRAFTED LIE intended to get the rest of society to oppose Agenda 21 as much as they do. Instead of admitting that Agenda 21 would only slow down the rate at which logging & mining corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests, they falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY WORK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION! They falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY EXPAND THE FORESTS INTO AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND ALREADY OCCUPIED BY HUMANS, thereby systematically driving homeowners out of their rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, tightly packed, over-populated cities (something that the REAL Agenda 21 would not actually do).

    This FRAUDULENT characterization of Agenda 21 would serve to make ALL THE REST OF SOCIETY join with those who profit by destroying the forests. The rest of society would OPPOSE "AGENDA 21" in the mistaken belief THAT THEY WERE SAVING THEIR OWN HOMES IN THE PROCESS. Now, THAT is a brilliant lie. But, it gets even better.

    By telling such a lie, logging & mining corporations and real estate developers, like Deborah Tavares, could continue DESTROYING THE FORESTS and continue to cash in without any opposition from the rest of society WHILE SIMULATANEOUSLY BLAMING "AGENDA 21" (WHICH NEVER BECAME LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE) FOR THE HARDSHIPS THAT THEY THEMSELVES KNOWINGLY INFLICT ON THE REST OF SOCIETY BY DESTROYING THE REMAINING FORESTS IN THE PURSUIT OF PROFITS (increased droughts and therefore increased forest fires, decreased fresh water supplies uncontaminated by sewage, etc.). Now, THAT is a TRULY brilliant lie, blaming a SUGGESTION that never became law, for the hardships suffered by Californians, when the SUGGESTION that never became law WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED AND INTENDED TO PREVENT THOSE VERY HARDSHIPS FROM OCCURRING IN THE FIRST PLACE!

    Remember, the foregoing is only an ILLUSTRATION of how corporate interests engage in disinformation campaigns in order to get society to oppose proposed laws that would reduce their profits. This is an example only. This may have never occurred. That is not the point.

    The point is simply that Deborah Tavares lied to us about what the what the Agenda 21 document says in the same way that she lied to us about every other document she has ever used in support of her claims about the planned extinction of mankind.
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    This could probably be worth looking into further. Tavares’ new partner in crime - MARK STEELE.



    According to “Annie Logical’s” investigation into MARK STEELE he could well be financially benefiting from 5G technology in partnership with his brother and their Company - in total contradiction to his rants. Getting paid for sitting on both sides of the fence??

    It also appears MARK STEELE is the ex-bouncer/violent criminal who shot a 19 year old girl, (who got caught in his crossfire) and was imprisoned for 8 years and had a restraining order against him for 2 years to stop him harassing, intimidating and threatening council workers.

    https://www.vigiliae.org/mark-steele-exposed/

    I’ve only browsed this article and haven’t checked out the links, so cannot vouch for its validity – but there is quite a bit to support the claims if it all checks out.

    Seems there is a pattern to the company Tavares keeps.

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    Wow, it sounds like you got it in for Deborah Tavares......

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    Quote Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
    Wow, it sounds like you got it in for Deborah Tavares......
    Yeah pretty much. Like many I give a considerable amount of respect until evidence stacks up over time demonstrating someone is a deceptive fraud, liar, cheat, terrorist, who exploits the trusting nature of people.
    Then I got it in for ‘em. And I will do my due diligence whenever possible to help show the real people behind the masks.

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    OFF TOPIC: Thank you IndigoSpiral. You prompted me to look at your last posts. They were exactly what I needed . . . TODAY!

    I am struggling with how to help my daughter who is in an abusive relationship with a narcissist. You helped me sooo much

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    Hi Gemma13, you’re welcome – I’m so glad it helped and will post on that thread

    Back on topic – Thank you for the article you posted on Mark Steele and to everyone who has contributed to this thread.

    I met both Deborah Tavares and Mark Steele a couple of months ago at a conference. Most of the talks were informative and balanced - whilst hard hitting they didn’t leave you feeling utterly despairing.

    Deborah was the “headline” speaker on the Friday evening with a talk entitled “Worldwide Agenda – Extinction Plans in Documents”. Well, to say it was over the top fear porn would be an understatement. She kind of built up to this crescendo of how we were all going to be mercilessly annihilated but with no real solutions. I switched off quite soon into the talk as it really wasn’t resonating with me – I put up a firewall in situations like that. This is not to say I don’t believe there are seriously nefarious plans afoot – I do! The whole delivery seemed designed to traumatise, and indeed I noticed how traumatised people were when we came out of the talk. Afterwards I got chatting to someone who had the same experience and thoughts as me. We agreed that it just seemed to be spreading a low “fear” vibe.

    Anyway….. myself and a friend were running a stall at the event for another of the speakers (who talks about natural health and provides solutions). My friend was wearing a lovely dress but was having a slight “wardrobe malfunction” that meant it was slightly lower cut than it was meant to be and she was looking for something to fix it. Deborah came up to her and said, “Women who dress like you are everything that is wrong with the world”!!! Make of that what you will, but I thought it was a shocking thing to say.

    The Monday morning was 5g morning and I am seriously worried about this. Really worried. I have to say, Mark’s talk did leave me traumatised and feeling hopeless. It left me feeling like “what is the point” and it’s taken a while to recover some semblance of normality after this. He did seem genuine at the conference, and he was really passionate. There is so much disinformation and scaremongering that surrounds this whole issue. I know 5g is really bad but according to Mark we are all going to be quickly blinded by the LED street lights whilst being microwaved by 5g.

    I live in Glastonbury UK and EE supposedly trialled 5g at the festival (6 miles away in a village called Pilton). The locals of both Glastonbury and Pilton have been up in arms about this for some time and there is a lot of activism going on here. In my town the council have applied the precautionary principal: https://glastonbury.gov.uk/2019/06/1...challenges-5g/

    I don’t want to go completely off topic so will post more information in the 5g thread about this.

    The article you posted about Mark Steele really opened my eyes, but at the same time has confused me even more! Are they spreading disinformation to undermine the real truth? And to traumatise people in the process? A lot of people were spurred into action by the talk Mark gave…. Is there a deeper agenda going on here?

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    Thanks Gemma

    My God yes, there’s a pattern. I will be looking into this. Steele has a very hostile, dangerous vibe. Part of the perverse fascination with Tavares is observing a wealthy mother and grandmother who creates porn-violence themed memes (see her Facebook page photos) and has a history of association with violent ultra-right wing fanatics. I’ve been active creating 5G awareness and have stopped observing Tavares because I know the truth and simply taking in her presentations is a traumatic experience. Nevertheless I believe she’s a threat to all those who lend her an ear, and she’s a despicable human being. Until a few weeks ago I was running active resistance within the comments sections of her YouTube posts, and I was encouraged to see a good number of her longtime supporters come around to endorse my input rather than troll it. One in particular (who used to accuse me of being a government operative) took the time to read Snoop’s debunking of The Report From Iron Mountain, and now she actively protests whenever Tavares reruns that hoax in her presentations.

    Thanks again

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    IndigoSpiral that’s a fascinating story! I assume you’re referring to the AV10 conference. I’ve heard these overly dramatized, self -indulgent cruel verbal beatings from Tavares many times. She is, as one contributor put it, “demented.” That’s the only way to understand it. Mental illness dressed in $5000 worth of clothes and jewelry and hair with $20,000 of plastic surgery.

    It’s ironic for me to read your anecdote about your friend being attacked by Tavares for an ill-fitting garment. Look on Stopthecrime.net Facebook page in photos and you’ll see many T&A Memes served up Hollywood style. Absolute subjugation and objectifying of young women. It’s obscene, insane and cruel.

    After much observation I’ve come to believe her purpose is to traumatize people, leaving them feeling hopeless and doomed so they will dismiss any thought of resistance. A secondary purpose is to trigger emotionally unstable people into violence including suicide. Every one of her youtube videos has a comment about suicide with reassurance and encouragement from responders who suggest it is indeed our only hope right now. If you are metaphysically inclined, you may agree with the understanding that if she can get everyone to hold the apocalyptic vision that she preaches, we will all simply will it into being. She is without a doubt evil. There is not one good thing about her. If you are of a faith that gives credence to the existence of Satan, it’s easy to see Tavares is clearly a satanic entity.

    Love, peace and keep the faith

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    Gemma13, xylo, peterpam and other soldiers for truth,

    Those who oppose us for revealing the truth about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares oppose us because they oppose the truth itself.

    To these people, who oppose the truth itself, ANY AMOUNT of truth is too much truth. But, to people like us, who seek the truth, NO AMOUNT of truth is enough truth, exactly the opposite to people like them.

    These people cannot challenge us on our facts, because they know that our facts are true. So, they pretend to oppose us for other reasons that are completely irrelevant to the truth (makes Tavares look bad, use of heavy emphasis, our motives, similar comments posted elsewhere, posts too short or too long, use of a pen names, etc.).

    These people complain about everything except whether the our facts are actually true (the only thing that matters).

    So, if and when you respond to these people, stay focused on the truth. Anything else is irrelevant and a waste of time.

    Ask these people to point out a single false statement of material fact in any of the exposes' which expose these hoaxes at the top of this thread.

    Stay focused on the truth.

    Nothing else matters.

    With Respect,

    Snoop

    EXAMPLE

    1. Something in the NASA War Document Hoax (above) not true?
    2. Something in the Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars Hoax (above) not true?
    3. Something in the Report From Iron Mountain Hoax (above) not true?
    4. Something in the Agenda 21 Hoax (above) not true?
    5. Something in the FORGED PG&E Email Hoax (above) not true?
    6. Something in the Genocide Agreement Hoax (above) not true?
    7. Something in the Rothschild Is Restructuring North America Hoax (above) not true?
    8. Something in the Rothschilds Own All The Utility Companies Hoax (above) not true?
    9. Something in the London Accounting Firms To Bankrupt All Cities Hoax (above) not true?
    10. Something in the Judge DALE Hoax (above) not true?
    11. Something in the Court Registry Investment System Hoax (above) not true?
    12. Something in the All Governments & Government Agencies Are Private Corporations Hoax not true?
    13. Something in the Rod Class Has Obtained Four Rulings To That Effect Hoax (above) not true?
    14. Something in the Police Warned To Put Property Into Other Peoples' Names Hoax (above) not true?
    15. Something in the FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax (above) not true?
    16. Something in the Sovereign Citizen Hoax (above) not true?
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    "Snoop4truth" wrote:
    Quote On that thread, I am being attacked by a devout disciple of Deborah Tavares. He focuses on everything but the truth, my use of a pen name (as if that makes the truth false), my method of revealing the truth (as if that makes the truth false, my alleged status as a paid operative (as if that makes the truth false), the number of links I have provided (as if that makes the truth false) and the length of my posts (as it that makes the truth false).

    This heckler who is actually a personal friend and neighbor of Deborah Tavares. He refuses to READ and analyze the PROOF for himself. Instead, he contacted Deborah Tavares by phone (she called him back). To my SHOCK and SURPRISE, she denied to him that she has ever engaged in a hoax. (It’s hard to believe, isn’t it?). HAHAHA. Rather than think for himself, he has simply accepted her denial as fact and refuses to take a look at the proof for himself. Now, he is claiming that I am a paid operative of the CIA of the A.B.A. Please join us over there and encourage this heckler to read and use his critical thinking skills. And, tell him of your experience waking up.
    Snoop, These words, regarding my person which I have just now found, are false, and defamatory. In the first place I, Mark Walter Evans (my actual, birth name, which I am not ashamed to own) am not "a devout disciple of Deborah Tavares." Nor am I "a personal friend and neighbor of Deborah Tavares." Both statements are false, misleading, and untrue.

    The truth is that I have met the woman, and, back in 2011 attended several {perhaps a total of four} "conspiracy" video soirees that were held at her son-in-law's chiropractic office in downtown Santa Rosa. I was the guest of a damaged new-age gal who had been expelled from Harbin Hotsprings. This gal - a Naderite - was beyond any reckoning of "left or right." That was how I came into contact with Deborah Tavares in the first place. [This woman was a friend of a friend of a friend, whom I wound up taking in, and allowed to live in a cabin on my land, for a year.]

    Since 2011, I have seen Deborah Tavares and her husband Lew coming and going in their "Stop-the-Crime" van, on highway 12, a few times (perhaps three times, in all.) Sometimes there was eye-contact, and they or I would wave. Besides that, I have met them perhaps a total of three times in the downtown Plaza in Sebastopol at the Farmers Market - which is held in that town on Sundays. When I happened to bump into them, we were cordial. Again, these chance meetings happened no more than three times in all. Fact: I have never seen Deborah Tavares in any organized social gathering or context since the year 2011.

    Besides that, I received a phone call from Deborah Tavares, back in May of 2017, when she asked me if I would rescue the same damaged gal {the same woman whom I had accompanied to Deborah's Saturday night conspiracy video soirees back in 2011.} I found the request a bit of a burden, but I drove up to Middletown, in Lake County, to pick that woman & her baggage up, at the Motel she could no longer afford to stay at.

    However, after about five days, I was completely drained by the madness of that poor soul, and so left her out on the street, by the St Vincent De Paul free lunch, north of old railroad square, in Santa Rosa. I felt awful about abandoning the poor wretch, but it was a matter of retaining my sanity. In truth I also felt a bit infringed upon during this whole process, and afterwards, I left a phone message with Deborah Tavares, asking her why she did not take in Najma {the gal's name} herself. She did not call back to render an answer.

    After the fires of October, 2017, I watched Deborah Tavares videos about the use of DEW on youtube {they were brought to my attention by my daughter who lives in Brazil.} In truth, those were the only videos of hers that I ever watched, because I do not follow Deborah Tavares, on general principles. After seeing from the post of some follower of Deborah Tavares that she seemed to have "disappeared" I called her up (yes, I have her telephone number, it is in the old Sonoma County telephone books) to see if she actually had disappeared.

    After a few weeks, I got a phone call from her, to the effect that she was still alive and kicking. And that is All. -- That was the extent of my 'relations' with Deborah Tavares, prior to seeing your vicious posts defaming her. I certainly am not her "neighbor." I live in eastern Sonoma County, in the mountains, five miles from the Napa County line. Lew and Deborah Tavares live somewhere in the vicinity of Graton in the West County, over twenty miles from where i live. I have never been to their house, and have no idea of how to even get there. I do not even know the address of the place.

    Your rendition of - and playing fast and loose with - the "facts" with regard to me, whom you have never met, and certainly do not know, is so far afield from reality, that I must, of necessity call into question everything that you profess on all accounts. And I actually have read a fair number of the boiler-plate letters that you post all over the internet - enough to recognize the Fact that you copy and paste endlessly - and my response on the thread on WaccoBB is not a function of my being either "a personal friend and neighbor" =OR= "a devout disciple" of Deborah Tavares, because, truth be told, I am neither.

    My choice - because it was something I chose - of taking you on, Sir, is because I detest the methodology of your witch-hunt. I have seen it all before, in a multitude of manifestations, all across the 'spectrum.' My own political orientation owes nothing to Deborah Tavares or anything that she ever said in any video on her youtube channel. I came out of an old left family background, and, though I have certain conservative tendencies, & consider myself to be a kind of political "transcendentalist" I retain the class-war analysis that my little, Jewish, socialist grandmother inculcated into me beginning at the age of two.

    My own small and limited personal experience of seeing and hearing Deborah Tavares in person, gives the lie to all your exhaustive boiler-plate diatribes and libel against the woman, draped in all your legalese bs. In my {admittedly limited} experience of the person that you have made a career of defaming, she is not the villain that you would have everyone believe. She actually does have a heart, and cares about humanity. And Yes, she is a flawed individual. So are we all.

    That is my "testimony" concerning her. It is not a "defense" of her doctrines or political positions. For I profess a certain ignorance of all that.

    But I can smell you, Snoop, and you do have the odor of a shill.

    And by the way, Snoop, you still have not answered my last missive on that thread on WaccoBB, and the questions that I posed to you, personally, in it. Here is is:

    https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...521#post227521

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    Quote Posted by snoop4truth (here)
    Gemma13, xylo, peterpam and other soldiers for truth,

    Those who oppose us for revealing the truth about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares oppose us because they oppose the truth itself.

    To these people, who oppose the truth itself, ANY AMOUNT of truth is too much truth. But, to people like us, who seek the truth, NO AMOUNT of truth is enough truth, exactly the opposite to people like them.

    These people cannot challenge us on our facts, because they know that our facts are true. So, they pretend to oppose us for other reasons that are completely irrelevant to the truth (makes Tavares look bad, use of heavy emphasis, our motives, similar comments posted elsewhere, posts too short or too long, use of a pen names, etc.).

    These people complain about everything except whether the our facts are actually true (the only thing that matters).

    So, if and when you respond to these people, stay focused on the truth. Anything else is irrelevant and a waste of time.

    Ask these people to point out a single false statement of material fact in any of the exposes' which expose these hoaxes at the top of this thread.

    Stay focused on the truth.

    Nothing else matters.

    With Respect,

    Snoop
    Hi Snoop,

    I hear you and I agree. Most critical thinkers who pay attention to hoaxsters (and in this case) Tavares closely enough for long enough will start to sense (that something isn’t right) on their own, without proof. This was true for me, and I have seen even long time dedicated Tavares fans begin to actively take issue in comments to her YouTube postings. One such person was led to read your debunking of Tavares’ mischaracterization of The Report From Iron Mountain from my own comments when I posted a link to this thread, and in recent Tavares YouTube presentations has pointed this out to other listeners repeatedly. I see other comments from people who simply mention that they’re not buying the hopeless fear-mongering anymore, or that her tone and intention feels like controlling, or something is not right, or they think she’s nuts, or sick, etc. A few have mentioned they met her in person and came away rattled at feeling how cold she is.

    The work you have done proves Tavares’ list of hoaxes in detail from multiple sources. Anyone who values truth above dogma and propaganda welcomes your documentation. As the Tavares phenomenon is a cult of personality situation with a lot of allegiance from followers who clearly state they crave as much “fear-porn” as she can manufacture, project their own spiritual values onto her, adore her, cling to her message like a sinking anchor as a perverse form of reassurance (sometimes regarding their own suicidal thoughts), and use her presentations as a platform to call for murder and perpetuate hate. These cult-like followers have no interest in anyone disturbing the sense of security they derive from closing the doors on critical thinking and learning. They simply want to hear their leader’s message of doom and hate again and again and again. There is nothing that can be done for anyone who is stuck in that downward spiral.

    For many others, the truth does matter. I’ve observed her long enough to note that most people who comment are new listeners. Many YouTube listeners subscribe and then fade away without deleting old subscriptions. What matters is truth. Your work serves as a valuable archive in that regard. Those who are conflict-seeker naysayers will inevitably be drawn to every opportunity to indulge their emotional disturbance on the internet, whether it’s directed toward you or someone else, that’s just what they do. It’s normal to be thin skinned when one becomes the target of such individuals, so put such people out of your mind, they are to be ignored, and simply continue on because I know your work has helped a lot of people and will will continue to do so as time rolls on.

    Thanks again

    xylo
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    Quote Posted by snoop4truth (here)
    Gemma13, xylo, peterpam and other soldiers for truth,

    Those who oppose us for revealing the truth about the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares oppose us because they oppose the truth itself.

    To these people, who oppose the truth itself, ANY AMOUNT of truth is too much truth. But, to people like us, who seek the truth, NO AMOUNT of truth is enough truth, exactly the opposite to people like them.

    These people cannot challenge us on our facts, because they know that our facts are true. So, they pretend to oppose us for other reasons that are completely irrelevant to the truth (makes Tavares look bad, use of heavy emphasis, our motives, similar comments posted elsewhere, posts too short or too long, use of a pen names, etc.).

    These people complain about everything except whether the our facts are actually true (the only thing that matters).

    So, if and when you respond to these people, stay focused on the truth. Anything else is irrelevant and a waste of time.

    Ask these people to point out a single false statement of material fact in any of the exposes' which expose these hoaxes at the top of this thread.

    Stay focused on the truth.

    Nothing else matters.

    With Respect,

    Snoop
    Hi Snoop,

    I hear you and I agree. Most critical thinkers who pay attention to hoaxsters (and in this case) Tavares closely enough for long enough will start to sense (that something isn’t right) on their own, without proof. This was true for me, and I have seen even long time dedicated Tavares fans begin to actively take issue in comments to her YouTube postings. One such person was led to read your debunking of Tavares’ mischaracterization of The Report From Iron Mountain from my own comments when I posted a link to this thread, and in recent Tavares YouTube presentations has pointed this out to other listeners repeatedly. I see other comments from people who simply mention that they’re not buying the hopeless fear-mongering anymore, or that her tone and intention feels like controlling, or something is not right, or they think she’s nuts, or sick, etc. A few have mentioned they met her in person and came away rattled at feeling how cold she is.

    The work you have done proves Tavares’ list of hoaxes in detail from multiple sources. Anyone who values truth above dogma and propaganda welcomes your documentation. As the Tavares phenomenon is a cult of personality situation with a lot of allegiance from followers who clearly state they crave as much “fear-porn” as she can manufacture, project their own spiritual values onto her, adore her, cling to her message like a sinking anchor as a perverse form of reassurance (sometimes regarding their own suicidal thoughts), and use her presentations as a platform to call for murder and perpetuate hate. These cult-like followers have no interest in anyone disturbing the sense of security they derive from closing the doors on critical thinking and learning. They simply want to hear their leader’s message of doom and hate again and again and again. There is nothing that can be done for anyone who is stuck in that downward spiral.

    For many others, the truth does matter. I’ve observed her long enough to note that most people who comment are new listeners. Many YouTube listeners subscribe and then fade away without deleting old subscriptions. What matters is truth. Your work serves as a valuable archive in that regard. Those who are conflict-seeker naysayers will inevitably be drawn to every opportunity to indulge their emotional disturbance on the internet, whether it’s directed toward you or someone else, that’s just what they do. It’s normal to be thin skinned when one becomes the target of such individuals, so put such people out of your mind, they are to be ignored, and simply continue on because I know your work has helped a lot of people and will will continue to do so as time rolls on.

    Thanks again

    xylo
    Hello Snoop,

    Hello xylo,

    YOUR COMMENT: I hear you and I agree. Most critical thinkers who pay attention to ... Tavares... long enough will start to sense (that something isn’t right) on their own, without proof. This was true for me, and I have seen even long time dedicated Tavares fans begin to actively take issue in comments to her YouTube postings. One such person was led to read your debunking of Tavares’ mischaracterization of The Report From Iron Mountain from my own comments when I posted a link to this thread, and in recent Tavares YouTube presentations has pointed this out to other listeners repeatedly. I see other comments from people who simply mention that they’re not buying the hopeless fear-mongering anymore, or that her tone and intention feels like controlling, or something is not right, or they think she’s nuts, or sick, etc. A few have mentioned they met her in person and came away rattled at feeling how cold she is.

    MY RESPONSE: Your insight and your command of the English language have always been very good. But, as hard as it is to believe, you are actually improving. If you are not the author of a series of "self-help" and "self-analysis" books, then you truly missed your calling in life.

    Your observations above reflect that our efforts are having a positive affect on society and that the tide is turning in favor of the truth. I have no doubt that the truth will eventually prevail over the lies.

    YOUR COMMENT: The work you have done proves Tavares’ list of hoaxes in detail from multiple sources.

    MY RESPONSE: I certainly think so. What impresses me more now IS THE PATTERN of Deborah Tavares' fraud. I have now identified sixteen separate hoaxes, all of which involve intentional fraud. Earlier in this thread, I said that if being a lawyer has taught me anything, it is the importance of looking for PATTERNS in general and that "PATTERNS OF CONDUCT" in particular. And, "PATTERNS OF CONDUCT NEVER LIE". Deborah Tavares' PATTERN of conduct in creating and/or in peddling these hoaxes proves that SHE INTENDS TO INCITE HATRED AND VIOLENCE against innocent Americans. That is her goal. Her hoaxes and her fraud are merely the tools she uses to incite that hatred and violence.

    YOUR COMMENT: Anyone who values truth above dogma and propaganda welcomes your documentation.

    MY RESPONSE: Agreed. But, sadly there are those on this very thread who STILL openly and unapologetically oppose the truth itself and everyone behind its revelation.

    YOUR COMMENT: As the Tavares phenomenon is a cult of personality situation with a lot of allegiance from followers who clearly state they crave as much “fear-porn” as she can manufacture, project their own spiritual values onto her, adore her, cling to her message like a sinking anchor as a perverse form of reassurance (sometimes regarding their own suicidal thoughts), and use her presentations as a platform to call for murder and perpetuate hate. These cult-like followers have no interest in anyone disturbing the sense of security they derive from closing the doors on critical thinking and learning. They simply want to hear their leader’s message of doom and hate again and again and again. There is nothing that can be done for anyone who is stuck in that downward spiral.

    MY RESPONSE: You have a perfect grasp of the problem. These people are unable to realize it, but their PATHOLOGICAL DEPENDENCE on Deborah Tavares to validate their own belief system IS A WEAKNESS, NOT A STRENGTH. Their defense of Deborah Tavares is the face of overwhelming proof that she is a fraud IS A WEAKNESS, NOT A STRENGTH. Their mindlessly going down with the sinking ship that is Deborah Tavares IS A WEAKNESS, NOT A STRENGTH.

    YOUR COMMENT: For many others, the truth does matter. I’ve observed her long enough to note that most people who comment are new listeners. Many YouTube listeners subscribe and then fade away without deleting old subscriptions. What matters is truth. Your work serves as a valuable archive in that regard.

    MY RESPONSE: I certainly hope so. That is why I do my work.

    YOUR COMMENT: Those who are conflict-seeker naysayers will inevitably be drawn to every opportunity to indulge their emotional disturbance on the internet, whether it’s directed toward you or someone else, that’s just what they do.

    MY RESPONSE: Deborah Tavares is a pathological hater. So, her followers are pathological haters too. Their pathological hatred is revealed in every thing they do and in every word they say or write. One common thread in many of the followers of Deborah Tavares is mental illness. Deborah Tavares' own partner in legal hoaxes, Rodney "DALE" Class, has long suffered from mental illness. This mental illness resulted in Rod Class wasting much of his adult life fighting an imaginary evil justice system that is not even real.

    Many of Deborah Tavares' followers are themselves diagnosed paranoid schizophrenics who suffer from delusions. Deborah Tavares exploits these people because of their mental weaknesses and because of their delusional predispositions. That is, Deborah Tavares exacerbates and worsens their illness, rather than helping them by telling them the truth. She is a disgrace.

    YOUR COMMENT: It’s normal to be thin skinned when one becomes the target of such individuals, so put such people out of your mind, they are to be ignored, and simply continue on because I know your work has helped a lot of people and will continue to do so as time rolls on.

    MY RESPONSE: Agreed. These people who target us for telling the truth are not well and they simply cannot be helped. So, it makes more sense to focus on those that are well and who can be helped.

    YOUR COMMENT: Thanks again.

    MY RESPONSE: Any time, my dear friend.

    With Respect and Admiration,

    Snoop
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