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    Default Re: The Hoaxes of Deborah Tavares

    Onawah,

    BELOW ARE MY ACTUAL CONCLUSIONS FOLLOWED BY YOUR FALSE CHARACTERIZATION OF MY ACTUAL CONCLUSIONS:

    1. "The NASA War Document Hoax". The document is REAL, but has been "modified" to fit the hoax. It now has a FAKE and misleading TITLE and COVER. But, the hoax is NOT the document anyway. Instead, the hoax is Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that THE DOCUMENT ALONE, ALL BY ITSELF, WITHOUT MORE, CONSTITUTES "PROOF" that NASA is already killing us all with diabolical weapons in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so. NASA actually created and used this very document to urge American defense contractors to develop countermeasures against the diabolical weapons described therein in an effort to prevent any planned extinction of mankind. NASA may actually be killing us all with diabolical weapons in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT ITSELF (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provides no support for that proposition, because it was actually created and used in an effort TO PREVENT such an occurrence.

    2. "The Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars Hoax". The document is REAL, but it is only POLITICAL FICTION. It has also been "modified" to fit the hoax. It now has a FAKE, recently-added paragraph at the beginning which fraudulently indicates that it is the work of "The Bilderbergs". But, the hoax is NOT the document anyway. Instead, the hoax is Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that THE DOCUMENT ALONE, ALL BY ITSELF, WITHOUT MORE, CONSTITUTES "PROOF" that "The Bilderbergs" adopted a plan in 1954 to kill us all with diabolical "silent weapons" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so. This document is actually POLITICAL FICTION and is a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about the treason and horrors suffered by U.S. soldiers when the U.S. government allegedly allowed them to be killed at Pearl Harbor in order to draw us into World War II. The Bilderbergs may actually be killing us all with diabolical "silent weapons" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT ITSELF (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provides no support for that proposition, because it is actually POLITICAL FICTION.

    3. "The Report From Iron Mountain Hoax". The document is REAL, but it is only POLITICAL SATIRE. So, the hoax is NOT the document itself. Instead, the hoax is Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that THE DOCUMENT ALONE, ALL BY ITSELF, WITHOUT MORE, CONSTITUTES "PROOF" that ALL "environmental calamities" (including climate change, drought, fires, etc.) ARE FAKE ("engineered") and that they are created by the U.S. Government to justify "FAKE WARS" (described in the book) against these FAKE ("engineered") environmental calamities to prop up the U.S. economy and that the U.S. Government uses these FAKE ("engineered") environmental calamities as "weapons" to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind (something NOT in the book). But, her claims about this document are not so. This document is actually POLITICAL SATIRE and is a DISGUISED COMPLAINT WHICH OPENLY MOCKS U.S. policy of engaging in perpetual wars to prop up the U.S. economy. The U.S Government may actually be killing us all with FAKE ("engineered") "environmental calamities" (including climate change, drought, fires, etc.) in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT ITSELF (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provides no support for that proposition, because it is actually POLITICAL SATIRE.

    4. "The Agenda 21 Hoax". The document is REAL. So, the hoax is NOT the document itself. Instead, the hoax is Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that THE DOCUMENT ALONE, ALL BY ITSELF, WITHOUT MORE, CONSTITUTES "PROOF" that the United Nations is forcing us out or our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so. According to the "Agenda 21" document itself (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim), its purpose is to SLOW DOWN the rate at which the environment is destroyed. It would have PROTECTED THE REMAINING FORESTS, REDUCED DROUGHT and INSURED AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER not contaminated by SEWAGE. Agenda 21 was first presented to the public at the "EARTH SUMMIT" (an environmental conference) in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil in 1992. It was only a SUGGESTION that member nations were permitted, BUT NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT for themselves. Agenda 21 does not apply in the United States because it is not the law in the United States and therefore cannot be enforced in the United States. Contrary to Deborah Tavares' fraudulent claims, there is NOTHING in the Agenda 21 document itself (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) which suggests we will be forced out of our rural or suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. NOTHING! The United Nations may actually be forcing us out of our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT ITSELF (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provides no support for that proposition, because it does not address those particular subjects. (See Post #124 for some of the text of Agenda 21. See Post #166 for detailed information about Agenda 21).

    5. "The PG&E Satellite Beams Hoax". THE DOCUMENTS ARE FORGERIES AND THE ALLEGATIONS CONTAINED IN THOSE FORGERIES ARE VERIFIABLY FALSE. PG&E is a California electrical utility company which collects and generates electricity in a variety of ways. But, PG&E's conventional solar panels can only collect energy from the Sun during the middle of daylight hours. So, in 2009, PG&E announced that in the future it would use solar panels on satellites in space to collect energy from the Sun 24 hours a day, then beam it to earth using radio frequencies and then convert it to electricity on earth for its customers to use. When the recent forest fires burned northern California, Deborah Tavares wanted to blame PG&E and this technology for starting those fires. But, the scientific literature and PG&E's own documents indicated that this technology did not yet exist. SO, TO REBUT THAT INFORMATION, Deborah Tavares FORGED a series of FAKE emails (purportedly between the CPUC and PG&E) indicating that this technology already existed, that it was already in use and that it could be used to start fires. Thus, Deborah Tavares herself actually created the very FORGERIES which she fraudulently claims CONSTITUTE "PROOF" that PG&E used this technology to ignite the recent fires in California to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about these FORGED emails are not so. These FORGED EMAILS prove nothing except that Deborah Tavares is a fraud. PG&E may actually be using radio frequencies beamed from satellites in space to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THESE PARTICULAR FORGED EMAILS THEMSELVES (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provide no support for that proposition, because they are FORGERIES!

    6. The Genocide Agreement Hoax". The document is REAL. So, the hoax is NOT the document itself. The "Genocide Agreement" is actually the nickname of a proposed 1940's United Nations agreement BANNING GENOCIDE among signatory nations. The proposed "Genocide Agreement" DEFINED "GENOCIDE" BROADLY and banned the displacement of people from their homes. Further, under the proposed "Genocide Agreement", the United Nations would have the jurisdiction to criminally prosecute and punish individual CITIZENS of signatory nations who violated the terms of the agreement (like the Nuremberg Trials and The Nuremberg Hangings). All nations on earth (including the United States) wanted to ban genocide. But, the United States had concerns about signing the "Genocide Agreement" because of THE OTHER ACTS that it banned and because it delegated to the United Nations the jurisdiction to criminally prosecute and punish American citizens who violated its provisions (like at Nuremberg). Southern states in particular were concerned that the agreement might subject opponents of racial integration to the criminal jurisdiction of the United Nations. Regardless, in the 1980's the United States signed the "Genocide Agreement", despite these concerns. So, the hoax is not the document itself. Instead, the hoax is Deborah Tavares' OWN fraudulent claims that the Genocide Agreement ONLY BANS "NATIONS" FROM COMMITTING ACTS OF GENOCIDE and that THE UNITED STATES IS "NOT A NATION", BECAUSE "IT IS A CORPORATION" (which is not governed by the agreement or the ban) which loophole permits the United States to commit genocide on a "Day-by-Day" basis, which is why "WE ARE BEING EXTERMINATED". THE TRUTH: But, the United States is not a "corporation" and the Genocide Agreement actually bans genocide in the United States and subjects those who commit genocide and displacement to the criminal jurisdiction of the United Nations. The hoax is also Deborah Tavares' OWN (ENTIRELY INCONSISTENT) claims that the genocide agreement "INVADES DOMESTIC LAWS" and "ALLOWS FOREIGNERS TO 'OVER-RIDE' U.S. laws". (Note that if the Genocide Agreement really "DID NOT APPLY" to the United States because it is a "CORPORATION" as Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims above, it would be impossible for the Genocide Agreement to invade or over-ride anything in the United States.). THE TRUTH: Regardless, the Genocide Agreement only over-rides U.S. law as to the specific acts banned by the agreement, GENOCIDE and DISPLACEMENT. Nothing more. The United States may actually be killing us all in an act or acts of genocide in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind, but THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT ITSELF (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provides no support for that proposition, because this document applies in the United States and actually BANS GENOCIDE and DISPLACEMENT.

    7. "The Judge DALE Hoax". ALL OF THE "JUDGE DALE FORGERIES" ARE ENTIRELY FAKE. Further, EVERY SINGLE CLAIM MADE IN THE JUDGE DALE FORGERIES IS ALSO ENTIRELY FALSE. Deborah Tavares, Al Whitney (real name "Anita Larin") and amateur legal theorist, Rodney "DALE" Class wrote every single word of these FORGERIES (including "The Great American Adventure: Secrets Of America" and "The Matrix And The US Constitution"). But, they fraudulently told the American people they were written by a "retired federal judge" named "Judge DALE" which uses Rodney "DALE" Class' middle name, "DALE", as an inside joke on the American people. The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that their government and their justice system is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical and to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

    8. "The Court Registry Investment System Hoax". THE DOCUMENT IS FAKE. Deborah Tavares and her partners assembled this FAKE document from parts of REAL government documents and then ALTERED and CHANGED the WORDS and IMAGES to make it fit the hoax. Deborah Tavares' fraudulently claims that this FAKE document itself constitutes actual conclusive "proof" that all of the money collected by the courts in fines and penalties is forwarded on to the Federal Reserve. The purpose of this hoax, like the "Judge DALE Hoax" above, was to make Americans think that their justice system is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical and to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

    9. "The All Governments And Agencies Are Private, For-Profit Corporations Hoax". (Deleted to make room below.).

    10. "The Rod Class Has Obtained His Forth Administrative Ruling That All Government Agencies Are 'Private Entities' Hoax'". (Deleted to make room below.).

    11. "The... Property Into Other Peoples' Name Hoax". (Deleted to make room below.).

    12. "The FAKE Jim Traficant Speech Hoax". This hoax involves a FAKE and FORGED "transcript" of a speech that a Congressman allegedly made to Congress to the effect that our federal government went bankrupt in 1933. (The REAL transcript of this speech is in the official Congressional Record and does NOT say this.). This FAKE and FORGED document is actually posted on Deborah Tavares' own website. The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that they themselves are collateral and debt slaves who exist solely to repay international bankers and to make Americans think that our government is completely illegal, illegitimate, invalid, corrupt & diabolical and to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

    13. "The Sovereign Citizen Hoax". This hoax involves a FAKE and FORGED document written by Rodney "DALE" Class while pretending to be "Judge DALE". This FAKE document was posted on the website of Al Whitney (real name "Anita Larin") who, like Rod Class, is also Deborah Tavares' partner in these hoaxes. The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that ONLY INDIVIDUALS ARE "SOVEREIGN" and that "WE THE PEOPLE" (a plural term) collectively, as a whole (in the form of our elected government) ARE NOT "SOVEREIGN" (exactly backwards to the truth), such that our laws do not apply to INDIVIDUALS (the pretend "sovereigns"). But, none of this is so. The purpose of this hoax was to make Americans think that "We the PEOPLE" (a plural term) collectively, as a whole (in the form of our elected government) have no right to enforce our own laws, made by our own ELECTED lawmakers, against any INDIVIDUAL and to incite hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

    BELOW ARE YOUR FALSE CHARACTERIZATIONS OF MY ACTUAL CONCLUSIONS ABOVE:

    Post 165
    Onawah: And what still bothers me about Snoop is HOW UNBALANCED (AND A BIT UNHINGED) SOME OF HIS OWN ARGUMENTS ARE."
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    Note his EXTREMELY SPECIOUS ARGUMENTS
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    Proving that certain documents were forged or misquoted or whatever by Tavares or anyone else DOESN'T PROVE ... THAT:

    The fires could not have been started by DEWs used by PG&E and/or created by NASA.

    Snoop: As if, in stating my conclusion above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her claims), I was trying INSTEAD to prove that "the fires could not have been started by DEWs used by PG&E and/or created by NASA".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    See my comment in Post #44 to the effect that you pretend that my conclusions are something they are not and then you pretend to oppose them on those grounds (citing examples). You are doing that very thing here.

    Onawah: Or that such weapons don't exist simply because PG&E claims they don't exist

    Snoop: As if, in stating my conclusion above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her claims), I was trying INSTEAD to prove "such weapons don't exist".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: Or that the fires weren't accomplished through the machinations of the Bilderbergs

    Snoop: As if, in stating my position above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her claims), I was trying INSTEAD to prove "the fires weren't accomplished through the machinations of the Bilderbergs".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

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    Onawah: Or as the result of a genocidal policy being furthered by the elite through he UN or any other body that they have helped create.

    Snoop: As if, in stating my position above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her claims), I was trying INSTEAD to prove the fires WERE NOT "the result of a genocidal policy being furthered by the elite through the UN or any other body that they have helped create."

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: All of the above could be true, whether we have documents to prove it or not.

    Snoop: My real CONCLUSION is simply that the DOCUMENTS used by Deborah Tavares in support of her conclusions do not support ("prove") her conclusions. Nothing more. I am not trying to prove or disprove something ELSE.

    You are fighting me over conclusions that you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. It is perfectly clear what you are doing.


    Post 151
    Onawah: Proving that Tavares has falsified documents pertaining to what Agenda 21 purports to be DOES NOT PROVE that Agenda 21 ISN'T really a plan created by TBTB for depopulation, for creating "smart cities", for confiscating desirable real estate for themselves via murder and mayhem, etc.

    Snoop: As if, in stating my position above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her claims), I was trying INSTEAD to prove "that Agenda 21 ISN'T really a plan created by TBTB for depopulation, for creating "smart cities", for confiscating desirable real estate for themselves via murder and mayhem, etc".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onowah: The evidence that Tavares presented may not be genuine, evidence designed to show that PG&E is "using lasers on satellites in space to ignite the recent California fires and that PG&E will continue to use those lasers to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind".

    BUT that doesn't PROVE that some of her allegations are not correct. Other insiders/whistleblowers have presented legitimate evidence to that effect. Proving Tavares's claims were fabricated does NOT PROVE that such weapons do not exist and are not being employed.

    Snoop: As if, in stating my position above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions), I was trying INSTEAD to DISPROVE other allegations, other whistleblowers and the existence of other such things.

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onowah: I think I have proved (sic) my case. I hope it isn't necessary to state again that I think Tavares and her coherts do need to be exposed for any hoaxes they are trying to perpetrate.

    But any attempts to WHITEWASH REAL CONSPIRACIES in that process also NEED TO BE EXPOSED.

    Snoop: "WHITEWASH"?!!! As if my proving that a single charlatan's OWN documents do not support her OWN claims IS AN "ATTEMPT TO WHITEWASH [ALL] REAL CONSPIRACIES", and something that is itself a wrongful act, which "NEEDS TO BE "EXPOSED". Give me a break. You know better. THESE ARE MY ACTUAL WORDS TO YOU IN POST #20 ON THIS VERY SUBJECT.

    "THERE ARE CONSPIRACIES OUT THERE THAT ARE REAL. Those real conspiracies make things bad enough. There is no reason for Deborah Tavares to spend her entire career creating and peddling FAKE conspiracies to mislead, shock and frighten the American people. Indeed, by creating and peddling FAKE conspiracies, Deborah Tavares takes the collective eye of the American people off the REAL conspiracies that they should be focusing their attention on. As a result of charlatans like Deborah Tavares, the American people spend much of their time, energy, money and resources fighting FAKE conspiracies and fighting FAKE enemies THAT ARE NOT EVEN REAL. This is part of what upsets me about what Deborah Tavares does."

    "WHITEWASH"?!!! Are you kidding me?


    Onowah: To me, it is an insult to what I hope is the overall intelligence of Avalon to try to insinuate that NASA doesn't lie,

    Snoop: As if, in stating my conclusions above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions), I was trying INSTEAD to prove that "NASA doesn't lie".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: that the Bilderbergs aren't plotting against the rest of the human race.

    Snoop: As if, in stating my conclusions above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions), I was trying to prove "that the Bilderbergs aren't plotting against the rest of the human race".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.


    Onawah: that there aren't many means being employed by the elite to control and reduce the populace, etc.

    Snoop: As if, in stating my conclusions above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions), I was trying to DISPROVE "that there aren't many means being employed by the elite to control and reduce the populace, etc".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.


    You are fighting me over conclusions that you know I never made. And, so does everyone else. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. It is perfectly clear what you are doing.

    Post 153
    Onawah: What there was, was illogical and faulty reasoning, and inaccurate conclusions on your part

    Snoop: As if there was something illogical, faulty or inaccurate about my real CONCLUSION above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her claims). There is nothing illogical or faulty with my reasoning or conclusions above.

    Post 159
    Onawah: As stated repeatedly, I don't contest your claims that Tavares and her cohorts have falsified information and made false claims, and I have not demanded proof about that.

    (You wrote: "For, your information, ALL OF THE PROOF THAT YOU DEMAND IS ALREADY ON THIS VERY THREAD IN THE POSTS THAT YOU HAVE REFUSED TO READ!")

    But if I WERE demanding anything, which I'm not, I WOULD DEMAND THAT YOU PROVE THAT CONSPIRACIES ARE NOT BEING COMMITTED BY THE ELITE.

    It would be great if you could--..., but since I KNOW YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY PROVE THAT, I haven't and won't bother to read all that you've written, even if you've written a whole encyclopedia.

    YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY REFUTE EVIDENCE that researchers/ whistleblowers/insiders from many walks of life have spent years and years compiling in great detail, at great risk and sometimes paying with their very lives

    I DON'T REALLY CARE THAT MUCH IF YOU'VE PROVEN THAT TAVARES HAS LIED BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT.
    ...
    But it hasn't taken whole pages of this forum for me to put forth quite simply and briefly my one bone of contention with YOU, that even though you may have proven that documents have been forged and false claims made about certain conspiracies that are being committed against the people of this planet by Tavares et al, THAT DOES NOT PROVE THAT SAID CONSPIRACIES ARE NOT BEING COMMITTED BY THOSE IN POWER.

    Snoop: Note the SWITCH from agreeing that I have proven my REAL CONCLSUSION that: (1). "the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions" TO MY FAKE CONCLUSION THAT; (2). I have not proven that "said conspiracies are not being committed by those in power", as if that was something I was trying to prove.

    Onawah: In view of that, all that I have been pointing out were the specific places in your text where your wording was in contradiction of that, where YOU SEEMED TO IMPLY THAT SUCH CONSPIRACIES WERE NOT BEING COMMITTED AT ALL....

    Snoop: As if, in stating my conclusions above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions), I was trying INSTEAD to imply that there were no conspiracies being committed at all. Re-read the bottom two paragraphs of Post #20.

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: ...Your reasoning seeming to be that because you have proven that Tavares lied, THEREFORE SUCH CONSPIRACIES DO NOT EXIST. Which of course, doesn't follow at all.

    Snoop: THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT. I have repeatedly stated ON THIS THREAD that there are conspiracies that are real. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody. Read the final two paragraphs of Post #20 which I wrote to you on this very subject weeks ago. It couldn't possibly be more clear. Do not pretend otherwise.

    Post 125
    Onawah: The only proofs Snoop offers are simply based on contradicting Tavares's proofs, not any other whistleblower info.

    Snoop: Correct! These words (above) prove you actually KNOW the REAL purpose of this entire thread and you actually KNOW what my REAL CONCLUSIONS really are. But, despite this knowledge, you pretend that I have concluded that conspiracies do not exist and then claim that this imaginary conclusion is flawed and illogical. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everbody can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: That is a HUGE discrepancy in logic and reasoning and any competent lawyer in a courtroom would be making a laughing stock out of such ridiculousness in very short order.

    Snoop: Well, you would certainly know all about what goes on in a courtroom, wouldn't you? Maybe you can teach me. Give me a break.

    The name of this particular case in this particular courtroom is "Snoop v. The Hoaxes Of Deborah Tavares". The name of this case in this courtroom IS NOT "Snoop v. All OTHER, UNRELATED, IRRELEVANT Whistleblower Info". Never lose sight of that reality.

    If I were to forget what case I was actually working on and if I were to offer the jury OTHER, UNRELATED, IRRELEVANT proof in support of A DIFFERENT, UNRELATED, IRRELEVANT case, THEN I would be made a laughing stock in very short order. As lawyers, we actually try to avoid confusing our cases with other cases SO AS TO AVOID becoming a laughing stock in short order. You should try that yourself.

    Do not pretend that you do not know the name of the case in this courtroom. It is spelled out in the very first words at the top of this thread. I HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO PROVE SOMETHING ELSE IN A DIFFERENT CASE WHICH I AM NOT WORKING ON IN A DIFFERENT COURTHOUSE IN A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION. Your pretensions to the contrary are false. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. It is perfectly clear what you are doing.

    Onawah: The primary purpose of Agenda 21 according to what I have read is to dramatically reduce the population by any means necessary.

    Snoop: As if you have actually read something in or about Agenda 21. Give me a break. This is precisely the reason that Deborah Tavares gets away with her fraud for so long (because people like you refuse to read the source documents for yourself).

    Post 126:
    Onawah: Proving that some documents have been falsified, if that is what Snoop has actually done, DOES NOT PROVE THE CLAIMS HE HAS MADE.

    Snoop: PROVING THAT DEBORAH TAVARES' DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN FALSIFIED "IS" THE CLAIM I HAVE MADE! Have you completely lost it? Are you OK?

    Onawah: How can he certify and affirm that the original documents are "harmless"?

    Snoop: Answer: When, contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares, THE WORDS OF THE DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES (within their own four corners) do not actually reflect that we will all be killed in the planned extinction of mankind. Using this definition, all of the documents referred to in my summary above are "harmless".
    ...

    Onawah: and if Snoop believes that NASA doesn't lie,

    Snoop: As if, in stating my conclusions above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions), I was trying INSTEAD to prove that "NASA doesn't lie".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: that the creators of Agenda 21 don't lie,

    Snoop: As if, in stating my conclusions above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions), I was trying INSTEAD to prove that "the creators of Agenda 21 don't lie".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: that various branches of the US government don't lie and aren't being used as tools to implement the depopulation agendas of the ruling families of this planet

    Snoop:
    As if, in stating my conclusions above (that the documents of Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions), I was trying INSTEAD to prove that "various branches of the US government don't lie and aren't being used as tools to implement the depopulation agendas of the ruling families of this planet".

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Post 128:
    Onawah: I don't disagree with him about the inaccuracies in Tavares's work, as I have stated repeatedly [WHICH IS MY SOLE "CONCLUSION" AS IS CLEARLY STATED ABOVE].

    IT IS THE ILLOGICAL AND UREASONABLE OVERALL CONCLUSIONS HE DRAWS.

    Snoop:
    As if there is something illogical or unreasonable about my REAL "CONCLSUIONS" above (that the documents used by Deborah Tavares do not support her claims).

    Onawah: the inaccurate way that he states things that I have an issue with.

    Snoop: As if there is the slightest "INACCURACY" in the way I state things above (that the documents used by Deborah Tavares do not support her claims).

    ...
    Onawah: Look at the mixed messages that Snoop's posts are sending

    Snoop: As if there is a "mixed message" in my conclusions above (that the documents used by Deborah Tavares do not support her claims).

    Post 133:
    Onawah: Snoop wrote: "QUESTION: WHAT IS A "HARMLESS" DOCUMENT? ANSWER: IT IS A DOCUMENT WHOSE OWN WORDS DO NOT REFLECT THAT WE WILL ALL BE KILLED IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PLANNED EXTINCTION OF MANKIND. "

    Onawah: A document can still contain FALSE information.

    Snoop:
    Agreed. Yes, Deborah Tavares' "FORGED PG&E EMAILS" contain FALSE information.

    Yes, Deborah Tavares' "Judge DALE" FORGERIES ("The Great American Adventure: Secrets of America" and "The Matrix And The US Constitution") contain FALSE information.

    Yes, Deborah Tavares' "Court Registry Investment System FORGERY" contains FALSE information.

    Yes, "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars" is POLITICAL FICTION and therefore contains FALSE information.

    Yes, "The Report From Iron Mountain" is POLITICAL SATIRE and therefore contains FALSE information.

    Yes, "The Sovereign Citizen" is a FORGERY written by Rodney "DALE" Class while pretending to be "Judge DALE" and it contains 100% FALSE information.

    Yes, "The FAKE Jim Traficant Speech" TRANSCRIPT is a FORGERY and it contains FALSE information."

    Yes, to the extent they are "documents", all of Deborah Tavares' own FAKE press releases and FAKE videos contain FALSE information.

    AND, ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS WERE RELIED ON BY DEBORAH TAVARES IN REACHING HER CONCLUSIONS.

    The remaining documents do not relate to her conclusions WHETHER THEY ARE TRUE OR FALSE.

    My REAL CONCLUSION above (the documents used by Deborah Tavares do not support of her conclusions) does not relate to whether the DOCUMENTS used by Deborah Tavares are TRUE or FALSE. Instead, my REAL CONCLUSION above relate to WHETHER OR NOT THE DOCUMENTS USED BY DEBORAH TAVARES SUPPORT HER OWN CONCLUSIONS, whether or not they are TRUE or FALSE.


    Onawah: Snoop wrote:
    "​MOST IMPORTANTLY, THESE FUTURE SATELLITE BASED LASERS WERE NOT USED TO IGNITE THE CALIFORNIA FIRES IN FURTHERENCE OF THE PLANNED EXTINCTION OF MANKIND, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT YET EXIST TO DO SO! SCROLL DOWN HERE. https://www.pge.com/en_US/small-medi...se_link-energy​ "

    Snoop: The above quote is from an EARLY DRAFT of a comment of mine that was then a "WORK IN PROGRESS" (and it actually said so at the time).

    AT THAT TIME, I had not found Deborah Tavares' FORGED PG&E EMAILS upon which she claims she bases her conclusions that PG&E used lasers on satellites in space to ignite the recent California fires. So, AT THE TIME, I thought Deborah Tavares was using the PG&E Laser Press Release in support of her claims (in the belief nobody would actually read it, which is almost always the case with her followers).

    But, Deborah Tavares was not actually using the PG&E Press Release in support of her claims. Instead, she had FORGED a series of FAKE PG&E EMAILS which she created especially to REBUT PG&E's Laser Press Release (which said the lasers did not yet exist) and she was actually using her own FORGEIRES in support of her claims that PG&E lasers DO ALREADY EXIST and that PG&E lasers had used lasers on satellites in space to start the recent fires in California.

    My ACTUAL CONCLUSION (since finding the PG&E FORGED EMAILS) is that Deborah Tavares' FORGED PG&E EMAILS do not support her claims that PG&E used lasers on satellites to ignite the recent California fires BECAUSE THEY ARE FORGERIES.

    Onawah: Snoop wrote "THE SAME IS TRUE WITH RESPECT TO AGENDA 21 "DOCUMENT"). IT TOO IS HARMLESS, BECAUSE ITS ACTUAL WORDS DO NOT REFLECT A PLAN TO KILL US ALL IN FURTHERENCE OF THE PLANNED EXTINCTION OF MANKIND.​"​

    Again,​ ​w​hat one document says or doesn't say does not constitute proof, particularly of what Agenda 21, which covers a very broad spectrum of plans, really is all about.

    Snoop: THAT IS NOT MY CONCLUSION. AND, YOU KNOW IT. You aren't fooling anybody. I AM TALKING ABOUT "DOCUMENTS" AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT "CONCLUSIONS". THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

    The issue is NOT what the Agenda 21 document "PROVES". The issue is what the Agenda 21 document "DOES NOT PROVE". Contrary to the fraudulent claims of Deborah Tavares, the Agenda 21 document DOES NOT PROVE that we will be forced from our homes and into over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind). The Agenda 21 document DOES NOT PROVE Deborah Tavares' OWN claims about what the document says. Indeed, the Agenda 21 document actually REFUTES Deborah Tavares' OWN claims about what the document says.

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: Snoop wrote: "But, a careful reading of the NASA War Document actually proves that NASA opposes diabolical weapons and opposes their use in furtherance of any extinction of mankind."

    NO, it does NOT prove that NASA opposes diabolical weapons and their use.
    One document cannot possibly prove any such thing.

    Snoop: My real CONCLUSION is NOT what the NASA War Document proves. My real CONCLUSION is what the NASA War Document DOES NOT PROVE. It DOES NOT prove that NASA is currently killing us all with diabolical weapons in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

    While not my actual "CONCLUSION", it is true that a "careful reading" of the NASA War Document shows that it was written IN "DEFENSE" of such diabolical weapons so as to prevent their use in any planned extinction of mankind (ex: page 113).

    While not my actual "CONCLUSION", logically, the fact that NASA CREATED the document and USED the document to urge American Defense contractors to develop countermeasures against such diabolical weapons (described in the document) suggests that NASA may oppose the use of such diabolical weapons (described in the document). If NASA actually intended to kill us all with such diabolical weapons (described in the document), it would have been illogical for NASA to have used the document to urge American defense contractors to develop countermeasures against them. Whether or not that observation is a "CONCLUSION", is that reasoning ILLOGICAL? FLAWED? UNHINGED? MIRED IN DECEIT?

    NOTE ON A STANDARD WRITING TECHNIQUE: The REAL purpose of such a sentence (and every other sentence like it throughout my work) is it to EMPHASIZE and UNDERSCORE that the documents used by Deborah Tavares do not support her claims.

    Ex: Person "X" falsely claims that document "X" proves HORRIFYING proposition "X". But, when person "Y" actually reads document "X", person "Y" discovers that document "X" does not actually prove HORRIFYING proposition "X".

    SO, PERSON "Y's" ACTUAL CONCLUSION IS THAT DOCUMENT "X" DOES NOT PROVE PROPOSITION "X".

    Then, to EMPHASIZE and UNDERSCORE his/her actual "CONCLUSION" (that document "X" does not prove HORRIFYING proposition "X"), person "Y" points out that document "X" is so far away from proving HORRIFYING proposition "X" that it could actually be used in support of the OPPOSITE PROPOSITION.

    Such a sentence does not replace the conclusion. It EMPHASIZES the conclusion. That is its purpose.


    Onawah: It should be abundantly clear here to anyone who can think logically and is paying attention how information is being MANIPULATED here by Snoop to draw ILLOGICAL and INACCURATE CONCLUSIONS.

    Snoop: My real CONCLUSION above is crystal clear. My real CONCLUSION is that the documents used by Deborah Tavares do not support her claims. My REAL CONCLUSIONS are not "manipulative", "illogical" or "inaccurate". My claims are true. And, you know it. You aren't fooling anybody by pretending my real CONCLUSIONS are something that they are not in an effort to manufacture a falsity.

    Post 138
    Onawah: Snoop has not proven that the claims I am questioning are true, or that the claims from other whistleblowers that Tavares built her foundation on are made up.

    Snoop: I have proven what I set out to prove, that the DOCUMENTS that Deborah Tavares uses to support her conclusions do not support ("prove") her conclusions. Nothing more.

    In proving that the DOCUMENTS used by Deborah Tavares do not support her conclusions, I have no burden to ALSO prove that all of conspiracy theory is a hoax or to disprove the claims of OTHER "whistleblowers". And, you know it.

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: And I submit that Snoop's conclusions are faulty, not about Tavares's work, but his ILLOGICAL CONCLUSIONS based on the statements from a few documents including those that agenda 21 is not a depopulation program. (Note the SWITCH.)

    Snoop: My real CONCLUSION isn't that Agenda 21 is not a depopulation program. And, you know it. You aren't fooling anybody.

    Instead, my real CONCLUSION is that, contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares, the Agenda 21 document itself provides DOES NOT PROVE that Agenda 21 will force us out of our rural and suburban homes and into over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

    In proving that the DOCUMENTS which Deborah Tavares herself uses in support of her claims do not support ("prove") her conclusions, I have no burden to ALSO prove that Agenda 21 is not a depopulation program. And, you know it.

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.

    Onawah: that NASA doesn't lie (Note the SWITCH.)

    Snoop:
    My real CONCLUSION is not that NASA does not lie. And, you know it. You aren't fooling anybody.

    Instead, my real CONCLUSION is that, contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares, the NASA War Document DOES NOT PROVE that NASA is already killing us all with diabolical weapons in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

    In proving that the "NASA War Document" DOES NOT support the conclusions of Deborah Tavares, I have no burden to ALSO prove "that NASA does not lie". That is not my real CONCLUSION. And, you know it.

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.



    Onawah: that there are no satellite mounted DEWs, etc.

    Snoop:
    My real CONCLUSION is not that there are no satellite mounted DEWs. And, you know it. You aren't fooling anybody.

    Instead, my real CONCLUSION above is that contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares, her own FORGED emails DO NOT PROVE that PG&E used satellite based lasers in space to start the recent California fires do not support that proposition BECAUSE THEY ARE FORGERIES!

    In proving that these FORGERIES do not support Deborah Tavares' OWN claims that PG&E uses lasers on satellites in space to ignite the California fires, I have no obligation to ALSO prove that "there are no satellite mounted DEWs". And, you know it.

    See the SWITCH? You pretend that my conclusions are something that they are not and then you oppose that imaginary conclusion which you know I never made. That is why I say you aren't fooling anybody. Everyone can see what you are doing.


    Onawah: and I submit that such illogical and false CONCLUSIONS are part of that MIRE OF DECEIT.

    Snoop: "MIRE AND DECEIT"? Then, I submit that your standards of honesty and integrity are much closer to those of Deborah Tavares than they are to mine.

    Post 165
    Onawah: I have sincerely been trying to show where the big, GAPING HOLES IN HIS LOGIC LIE pertaining to large conspiracies in general, NOT CONTESTING HIS EXPOSE' OF TAVARES.

    Snoop:
    MY WORK ON THIS THREAD IS NOTHING BUT AN EXPOSE' ON THE DOCUMENTS USED BY DEBORAH TAVARES. Are you losing it?

    Onawah:... I don't need to spend a lot of time reading his reams of info about documents that Tavares has falsified to understand that he has frequently framed his arguments here about what conspiracies are REAL OR UNREAL based on the info he has dug up about Tavares's presentations about those conspiracies. Which makes absolutely no sense.

    Snoop: Except for the legal conspiracies, THIS EXPOSE' IS NOT ABOUT WHICH CONSPIRACIES ARE REAL OR UNREAL. I DON'T CARE IF THE CONSPIRACIES ARE REAL OR UNREAL. THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

    I ONLY CARE THAT THE DOCUMENTS THAT DEBORAH TAVARES USES IN SUPPORT OF HER CONCLUSIONS DO NOT SUPPORT THOSE CONCLUSIONS. NOTHING MORE. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.

    Onawah: Even though at the same time he also says that he has researched many conspiracies and actively opposes them. SO THERE IS A HUGE CONTRADICTION THERE.

    Snoop: There is no such "CONTRADICTION" in my position. I actively oppose every single hardship, burden, abuse and other harmful thing that is inflicted on mankind. I JUST HAPPEN TO INCLUDE LIES, FRAUD AND HOAXES IN THAT SAME CATAGORY OF HARMFUL THINGS. There is nothing "CONTRADICTORY" about my BEING CONSISTENT in terms of opposing ALL HARMFUL THINGS including lies, fraud and hoaxes. And, you know it. I only wish that you were just as CONSISTENT in this regard.

    Onawah: I don't know if he has a blind spot or what the CAUSE OF THAT DISCREPANCY IS, but it is the one thing that he still has not cleared up that has concerned me

    Snoop: There is no "discrepancy". And, you know it. My sole focus on this thread is whether the DOCUMENTS that Deborah Tavares uses in support of her claims actually support her claims. Nothing more. And, everybody knows this, including you. (Posts 25, 58, 74, 127, 129, 137, 139).

    But, you repeatedly pretend that I am focusing on the CONCLUSIONS that might be supported by those documents instead. Then, you spend your life ATTACKING IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE! That is truly bizarre.

    (ex: Post 126, 127, 128, 133, 138, 144, 151, 153, 159).

    You act as if I am supposed to DEFEND IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE! That is absolute madness. How am I supposed to respond to that? I just shake my head in utter disbelief. Get a grip.

    (ex: Post 126, 127, 128, 133, 138, 144, 151, 153, 1159).

    You act as if I am supposed to ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE. Are you OK?

    (ex: Post 126, 127, 128, 133, 138, 144, 151, 153, 159).

    Regardless, back to the DOCUMENTS. I have determined that every single DOCUMENT that Deborah Tavares uses in support of her claims does not actually support her claims.

    That is the sole purpose of this thread. Nothing more. And you know it. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.

    Snoop
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    Below is proof that Onawah knows my focus is actually on the documents themselves, but she pretends that my focus is on the conclusions that those documents might be used to support in order justify her attacks on me for those imaginary conclusions.

    FROM POST 25:

    YOUR COMMENT: Again, Snoop, since there are so many other whistleblowers who have been supporting Tavares' claims, and have surely done their own research, I can't help but wonder why you are going to such lengths to discredit her on so many threads here on Avalon over the past few days.

    MY RESPONSE: I am a whistleblower too. But, I blow the whistle on hoaxes. So, I am blowing the whistle on "the conspiracy going on inside of conspiracy theory", the conspiracy that Deborah Tavares FAKES, FORGES, ALTERS and MISCHARACTERIZES the very DOCUMENTS which she says FORM THE BASIS for her CONCLUSIONS. Thus, Deborah Tavares claims to rely ON HER OWN ACTS OF FRAUD as the FACTUAL BASIS for her CONCLUSIONS. Think about that for a minute.

    ...

    Make no mistake. It makes NO DIFFERENCE what "CONCLUSIONS" Deborah Tavares supports with these FAKED, FORGED, ALTERED and MISCHARACTERIZED "DOCUMENTS". A HOAX IS STILL A HOAX. A FRAUD IS STILL A FRAUD. A LIAR IS STILL A LIAR. A CHARLATAN IS STILL A CHARLATAN.


    The fact that some credible whistleblowers reach the same "CONCLUSIONS" that Deborah Tavares reaches, DOES NOT EXCUSE OR JUSTIFY Deborah Tavares' conduct in FORGING, ALTERING and MISCHARACTERIZING the "DOCUMENTS" she uses as the basis for her CONCLUSIONS. That conduct is STILL INTENTIONAL FRAUD of the American people. That conduct is STILL DIABOLICAL and INDEFENSIBLE.

    ...

    As far as I know, real whistleblowers have not spent a decade FAKING, FORGING, ALTERING and MISCHARACTERIZING the very "DOCUMENTS" upon which they base their "CONCLUSIONS". As far as I know, real whistleblowers do not rely ON THEIR OWN ACTS OF FRAUD to form the basis for their own conclusions. Only people like Deborah Tavares do that.

    Again, my sole focus is on the hoaxes themselves, not the conclusions that might be supported by the hoaxes.


    YOUR COMMENTS: From my experience, anyone who seems to be intending to refute the reality of Agenda 21, of the dangers of cell phone technology and 5G, of the strangeness of the California fires, and many other such issues, is much more likely to be a disinfo agent themselves.

    MY RESPONSE: Respectfully, this is not so on either count. I do not "refute" the dangers of forest fires, cell phones, 5G or any other harm inflicted upon humanity (forest fires, radiation from cell phones and cell towers, radiation from WIFI and "smart meters", micro waves, radiation from Fukushima, contamination from geo-engineering, GMO's, pesticides, herbicides, PCB's, DDT, Dioxin, etc., etc., etc.). I never have "refuted" such things. I vehemently oppose such dangerous things. Any claim to the contrary is false.


    But, lets say for argument's sake, that I did "refute" all of the foregoing dangerous things (and I do not), THAT WOULD NOT MAKE MY CLAIMS ABOUT THE "DOCUMENTS" OF DEBORAH TAVARES FALSE. MY CLAIMS ABOUT THE "DOCUMENTS" OF DEBORAH TAVARES WOULD STILL BE TRUE. AND, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS. Do not get confused.

    THERE IS SIMPLY NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE "CONCLUSIONS" REACHED BY CREDIBLE WHISTLEBLOWERS AND WHETHER DEBORAH TAVARES HAS FORGED, ALTERED OR MISCHARACTERIZED THE UNDERLYING "DOCUMENTS" THAT SHE USES AS THE BASIS FOR HER CONCLUSIONS. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. THESE ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. I AM TALKING ABOUT "DOCUMENTS" AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT "CONCLUSIONS". DO NOT GET THESE TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS CONFUSED. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.



    YOUR COMMENT: Tavares' info may not all be correct, but she is getting a LOT of truth out there, as far as I can see, that really needs to get out.

    MY RESPONSE: This is not about whether the "CONCLUSIONS" reached by Deborah Tavares are "correct". THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER THE "DOCUMENTS" THAT DEBORAH TAVARES USES AS THE BASIS FOR HER CONCLUSIONS ARE "CORRECT". THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. I am talking about "DOCUMENTS" and you are talking about "CONCLUSIONS". They are not the same thing. These are two entirely different subjects. Do not get them confused with one another.


    So, whether of not there is a plan to kill us all, the forgoing "DOCUMENTS" provide no support for that proposition.

    That is the point, not whether there is SOME OTHER PLAN to kill us all. Those OTHER PLANS are not being discussed here. Do not get confused.


    We are both Truthers.

    We should be on the same side here.

    All The Best,

    Snoop

    FROM POST 58:

    Onawah, If I understand the point of Snoops work, he is pointing out inaccuracies in Deborah's claims, AS IN THE SOURCE OF A DOCUMENT. He is NOT TAKING A STANCE OR MAKING ANY ARGUMENT ABOUT WHAT THE ELITE ARE DOING OR NOT DOING , THAT WAS NEVER THE POINT OF HIS UNDERTAKING. He was presented with a DOCUMENT he found inaccurate and investigated further work for inaccuracies by Deborah. THAT IS THE REASON FOR HIS INVESTIGATION. At least that is how I interpret what he is doing.

    FROM POST 74:

    Hello Peterpam,

    Your reading skills are excellent.

    You are correct.

    When it comes to the hoaxes of Deborah Tavares, MY SOLE FOCUS IS THE HOAX ITSELF, NOTHING MORE.

    SO, I TAKE NO POSITION, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, ON THE CLAIMS THAT MIGHT BE SUPPORTED BY SUCH HOAXES.

    But, when it comes to the LEGAL hoaxes which involve BOTH Rod Class and Deborah Tavares COMBINED, my focus is BOTH the hoax and the claims supported by the hoax.

    This is because I have both an interest and expertise in such legal matters.

    Thanks for correctly understanding my position.

    All The Best,

    Snoop

    FROM POST 127


    What he has proven to me is that there are inaccuracies in what she is presenting. If in fact, he feels some of these DOCUMENTS in their accurate form ARE HARMLESS. than that would be his opinion. I am concerned with the inaccuracies that he showed.

    YOU SEEM TO WANT TO MAKE MORE OUT OF THIS THAN WHAT IT IS. Snoop is proving inaccuracies in DOCUMENTS that Debra is presenting to reinforce her agenda, that is all. If you could care less about the inaccuracies and believe her anyway, that is your right. There are a huge number of people out there on YouTube that present inaccurate information and predictions that are very evident and I don't believe most people give a rip about it. It all depends on what you are looking for. If it is diversion and entertainment you want, then a few lies here and there mean nothing. If you would like the truth no matter where it leads, LIES AND INACCURACIES GET IN THE WAY.

    Regardless, the focus of my work has always been, and will remain, THE DOCUMENTS themselves and not the claims that might be supported by those documents.

    Sincerely,

    Snoop
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    Quote Posted by snoop4truth (here)
    That is the sole purpose of this thread. Nothing more. And you know it. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.
    At this point, the info is laid out well and there are cross purposes of "reasons for being concerned" IMO. IMO people who are very upset about the issues may worry that IF one accepts that misdirection from Tavares (or others) is fact then the "cause" is endangered. Adhering to a belief system that one has not seen first hand is very wide spread.

    I grew up with very "conspiracy" minded family and it seemed FIRST HAND that it was emotionally satisfying for my parents to continue believing what they believed. It did not make a difference to present other perspectives. That made me wary but curious about what IS the truth.

    Truth is OFTEN stranger and less plausible than fiction IMO. Truth concerning human choices that lead to eventual disaster is often a set of bumbliing idiots who were left alone for too long. IMO people prefer a well planned deviously evil conspiracy than a disorganized set of unintended consequences. Human frailty and short sighted mundane selfish ignornace.

    ON THE OTHER HAND, it could be that there IS a hugely inhumane evil plat that people cannot believe due to its vast horror.

    Then we are left to understand how to respond to events and what to do. SO I like others have looked to find an "expert" who can help me understand. I have no real solution for how to figure things out. BUT I like people like snoop who do a great deal of digging. I admire the skill and effort.

    IMO if the liars can find the right niche, they make headway. If the strong lie is better for propaganda of a cause, the lie is spread versus an uncomfortable weak truth.

    IMO snoop is in over drive IMO as he is concerned that his point will be overlooked by those in the alt community with causes....IMO his point being that the pursuit of truth is in itself in danger. It is sad that he should be called names or asked to leave this forum.

    I think Snoop has said all that needs saying. Hopefully others will spread the word when Tavares is used as proof.
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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote Posted by snoop4truth (here)
    That is the sole purpose of this thread. Nothing more. And you know it. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.
    At this point, the info is laid out well and there are cross purposes of "reasons for being concerned" IMO. IMO people who are very upset about the issues may worry that IF one accepts that misdirection from Tavares (or others) is fact then the "cause" is endangered. Adhering to a belief system that one has not seen first hand is very wide spread.

    I grew up with very "conspiracy" minded family and it seemed FIRST HAND that it was emotionally satisfying for my parents to continue believing what they believed. It did not make a difference to present other perspectives. That made me wary but curious about what IS the truth.

    Truth is OFTEN stranger and less plausible than fiction IMO. Truth concerning human choices that lead to eventual disaster is often a set of bumbliing idiots who were left alone for too long. IMO people prefer a well planned deviously evil conspiracy than a disorganized set of unintended consequences. Human frailty and short sighted mundane selfish ignornace.

    ON THE OTHER HAND, it could be that there IS a hugely inhumane evil plat that people cannot believe due to its vast horror.

    Then we are left to understand how to respond to events and what to do. SO I like others have looked to find an "expert" who can help me understand. I have no real solution for how to figure things out. BUT I like people like snoop who do a great deal of digging. I admire the skill and effort.

    IMO if the liars can find the right niche, they make headway. If the strong lie is better for propaganda of a cause, the lie is spread versus an uncomfortable weak truth.

    IMO snoop is in over drive IMO as he is concerned that his point will be overlooked by those in the alt community with causes....IMO his point being that the pursuit of truth is in itself in danger. It is sad that he should be called names or asked to leave this forum.

    I think Snoop has said all that needs saying. Hopefully others will spread the word when Tavares is used as proof.
    Delight,

    Thank you for your thoughts.

    YOUR COMMENT: At this point, the info is laid out well and there are cross purposes of "reasons for being concerned" IMO. IMO people who are very upset about the issues may worry that IF one accepts that misdirection from Tavares (or others) is fact then the "cause" is endangered. Adhering to a belief system that one has not seen first hand is very wide spread.

    MY REPONSE: Agreed. In my opinion, the Truth Movement will be better served by the truth. As I said to Rick in Post 113,

    "Indeed, the truth is more important in conspiracy theory than in any other field. If those of us in conspiracy theory ever lose sight of the fact that conspiracy theory IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON TRUTH (and not on hoaxes), we are doomed. Not only will we fail, but we will become pariahs to the rest of the world. So, we need to put our own house in order. The rest of the world is watching. And, right now all they see of conspiracy theory is Deborah Tavares (whose claims are verifiably false) presuming to speak for us all. That should be of serious concern to all of us.

    One of the tenets of conspiracy theory is that "REALITY IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TOLD IT IS". But, with Deborah Tavares leading conspiracy theory, "CONSPIRACY THEORY IS NOT WE ARE TOLD IT IS." That means with Deborah Tavares leading conspiracy theory, CONSPIRACY THEORY IS JUST AS FALSE AND FRAUDLENT AS THE CLAIMS FROM THE OTHER SIDE. And, I'm not sure which one is worse. But, I am sure that BOTH ARE BAD for the public and one IS VERY BAD FOR CONSPIRACY THEORY AND FOR CONSPIRACY THEORISTS THEMSELVES. That is my concern. That should be your concern too."

    YOUR COMMENT: I grew up with very "conspiracy" minded family and it seemed FIRST HAND that it was emotionally satisfying for my parents to continue believing what they believed. It did not make a difference to present other perspectives. That made me wary but curious about what IS the truth.

    MY RESPONSE: I am the lone holdout in my family. As far as I was concerned, conspiracy theory and the truth were synonymous. It wasn't until I received the judge DALE forgeries that are started to look into the documents used to support conspiracy theories.

    YOUR COMMENT: Truth is OFTEN stranger and less plausible than fiction IMO. Truth concerning human choices that lead to eventual disaster is often a set of bumbling idiots who were left alone for too long. IMO people prefer a well planned deviously evil conspiracy than a disorganized set of unintended consequences. Human frailty and short sighted mundane selfish ignorance.

    MY RESPONSE: Agreed. Truth can be stranger than fiction. It is strange (but true) that OF ALL PLACES, there is a conspiracy going on inside conspiracy theory. It is strange (but true) that OF ALL PEOPLE, the de facto leader of conspiracy theory is herself engaged in a conspiracy to manufacture hoaxes to incite hatred and violence against the very people that she pretends to be protecting in peddling conspiracy theories.

    Agree. There is nothing juicer than a good conspiracy. For years, nothing but conspiracies explained the way of the world to me. They were the only thing that made the world make any sense to me.

    YOUR COMMENT: ON THE OTHER HAND, it could be that there IS a hugely inhuman evil plot that people cannot believe due to its vast horror.

    MY RESPONSE: I still think this is true. My only question now is how big it is, how far it goes and which plots are real and which plots are fake. That is part of what bothers me about Tavares. I now know that many of her claims are hoaxes. I just don't know how many there are in total yet. Now, I have to do all my research for myself, because I do not trust her anymore.

    YOUR COMMENT: Then we are left to understand how to respond to events and what to do. SO I like others have looked to find an "expert" who can help me understand. I have no real solution for how to figure things out. BUT I like people like snoop who do a great deal of digging. I admire the skill and effort.

    MY RESPONSE: I no longer look for experts to do my research for me and reach conclusions for me. For obvious reasons, I now prefer to do that for myself.

    YOUR COMMENT: IMO if the liars can find the right niche, they make headway. If the strong lie is better for propaganda of a cause, the lie is spread versus an uncomfortable weak truth.

    MY RESPONSE: Yep. I think that's what we are dealing with when it comes to Deborah Tavares.

    YOUR COMMENT: IMO snoop is in over drive IMO as he is concerned that his point will be overlooked by those in the alt community with causes....IMO his point being that the pursuit of truth is in itself in danger. It is sad that he should be called names or asked to leave this forum.

    MY RESPONSE: I think you will agree, I have put up with a lot of abuse over the last few weeks. I have been patient and tolerant with those who attack me and the truth about the DOCUMENTS used by Deborah Tavares in support of her claims. But, even I have limits to how much abuse I can take. Enough is enough.

    If I had my way (and I don't), every post on this thread would be about the DOCUMENTS themselves and nothing else. Remember, these documents are not MY documents. These documents are the documents that Deborah Tavares HERSELF claims she uses to reach her conclusions. So, I did not pick these documents. Deborah Tavares did.

    All I am saying is that not a single document used by Deborah Tavares in support of her claims actually supports her claims. That was the reason I started this particular thread on a forum with this particular name, "KNOWN HOAXES AND OTHER BAD INFORMATION". I thought that my partners in conspiracy theory had a right to know the truth about these documents. I thought they would want to know the truth about these documents. And, with one notable exception, they do.

    YOUR COMMENT: I think Snoop has said all that needs saying. Hopefully others will spread the word when Tavares is used as proof.

    MY RESPONSE: I have said all I need to say about the attacks and the abuse I have endured. Enough is enough.

    But, I am going to continue my investigation into the other documents used by Deborah Tavares in support of her claims. It would be nice if we could all focus on the importance of that particular subject for the benefit of our cause.

    Great comment.

    All The Best,

    Snoop
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    Default Re: The Hoaxes of Deborah Tavares

    Regarding my debate with Snoop, I think I've made my point as clearly as I can.
    My views about Tavares changed quite a bit after reading some of his info, though he doesn't seem to get that.

    I actually thought Tavares seemed a bit demented when I first saw some of her videos.
    But I chalked that up to the situation she is in (or at least, says that she is in--I don't know if that has ever been disproved), of having lost her own home in No. Cal. to fire.
    Of witnessing countless others in the same dilemma including neighbors and family members, then finding that she couldn't pursue her work as a realtor and property developer because the laws have been changing, making it more difficult and expensive to rebuild.

    All of which seems to be exactly the kind of conditions Agenda 21 is really intending to create, particularly in those areas of very high end real estate, according to many whistleblowers.
    (NOT according to the public Agenda 21 document that Snoop keeps referring to, obviously which appears quite harmless, but the REAL Agenda 21 as various whistleblowers have described it as being, which remains secret for the most part.)

    I don't know if that is really Tavares' situation, but if so, it makes it easier to understand how she might have become the desperate, unbalanced character she appears to be today (not that I am condoning her behavior).)
    And both Snoop and Tavares are dealing with a very explosive situation, so I feel compassion for both, but we have to make the truth the priority, regardless of whose information we are discussing.

    And what still bothers me about Snoop is how unbalanced (and a bit unhinged) some of his own arguments are,
    Note his statement from this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1272389

    "DEBORAH TAVARES DOES MORE DAMAGE TO US THAN THE OTHER SIDE EVER POSSIBLY COULD BECAUSE SHE IS ATTACKING US FROM INSIDE THE TRUTH MOVEMENT WHERE WE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE AND WHERE WE HAVE LET OUR GUARD DOWN."

    Now, how could that possibly be true?
    More damage than the other side?
    Isn't it quite clear by now that the other side has been decimating the populace and the planet for decades with unmatched impunity?
    Where we are most vulnerable is more likely our inability to wake up many more of the people to that fact.

    Note his extremely specious arguments here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1272865 :

    "Here's what we now know THE FIRES WERE NOT:

    1. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of a diabolical NASA weapon described in the "NASA War Document" which was intended to cause the planned extinction of mankind because that document actually proves that NASA is diligently working against such diabolical weapons TO PREVENT the planned extinction of mankind. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    2. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of a diabolical Bilderberg weapon described in "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars" which was intended to cause the planned extinction of mankind because that document is actually a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about the alleged treason and horrors suffered by American soldiers at Pearl Harbor. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    3. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of diabolical FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities described in the "Report From Iron Mountain" which was created by the U.S. government to justify FAKE wars against those FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities to prop up the U.S. economy and to kill us all by using those FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities as 'weapons" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind because that document is actually a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about the U.S.'s policy of engaging in perpetual wars to prop up the U.S. economy. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    4. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of "GENOCIDE" as allegedly advocated in the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind OR the result of the United States' alleged "SUPPORT" of "GENOCIDE" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind as reflected by its delay in signing the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" because the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" actually banned "GENOCIDE" and the displacement of people AND because the delay of the United States in signing the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" was a result of concerns over national sovereignty. (SEE POST #129 BELOW.). That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    5. THE FIRES MAY NOT be the result of PG&E using lasers on satellites in space to ignite the forests of California in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind as described in the "PG&E Laser Email Hoax" because the PG&E "emails" (upon which Deborah Tavares herself claims to base these claims) ARE FORGERIES and because PG&E's own documents claim this technology DOES NOT YET EXIST. If this is true, then PG&E lasers have never been used to start any fires. "

    Proving that certain documents were forged or misquoted or whatever by Tavares or anyone else doesn't at all prove that:
    The fires could not have been started by DEWs used by PG&E and/or created by NASA
    Or that such weapons don't exist simply because PG&E claims they don't exist
    Or that the fires weren't accomplished through the machinations of the Bilderbergs
    Or as the result of a genocidal policy being furthered by the elite through the UN or any other body that they have helped create.
    All of the above could be true, whether we have documents to prove it or not.

    Snoop's post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1274031
    "Onawah,

    My sole focus is on whether the documents that Deborah Tavares uses in support of her claims actually support her claims. Nothing more. And, everybody knows this, including you.

    But, you repeatedly pretend that I am focusing on the conclusions instead. Then, you spend your life ATTACKING IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE! That is truly bizarre.

    You act as if I am supposed to DEFEND IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE! That is absolute madness. How am I supposed to respond to that? I just shake my head in utter disbelief. Get a grip.

    You act as if I am supposed to ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE. Are you OK?

    Regardless, back to the DOCUMENTS. I have determined that every single DOCUMENT that Deborah Tavares uses in support of her claims does not actually support her claims.

    That is the sole purpose of this thread. Nothing more. And you know it. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.

    Snoop"

    Well, I'm fine, but I really wonder if he is--he is sounding fanatical to me.
    Snoop doesn't know me, doesn't know anything about my life, doesn't know what I am thinking, or what my intentions are.
    But if he thinks he is a psychic/clairvoyant/mind reader who believes he knows what anybody else is thinking or doing on that basis, and is basing any info he posts on that claim, then we need to know that.

    I have sincerely been trying to show where the big, gaping holes in his logic lie pertaining to large conspiracies in general, NOT contesting his expose of Tavares.
    I have answered the questions directed at me as best I could, with the amount of time I've decided to afford to this issue.
    I don't need to spend a lot of time reading his reams of info about documents that Tavares has falsified to understand that he has frequently framed his arguments here about what conspiracies are real or unreal based on the info he has dug up about Tavares's presentations about those conspiracies.
    Which makes absolutely no sense.

    Even though at the same time he also says that he has researched many conspiracies and actively opposes them.
    So there is a HUGE contradiction there.

    I don't know if he has a blind spot or what the cause of that discrepancy is, but it is the one thing that he still has not cleared up that has concerned me.

    But now I am done with this debate, and I am putting Snoop on my Ignore list, as this has just become a waste of my time.
    Best wishes to the other good people on this thread; I really hope you can clear up the mystery!
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    Default Re: The Hoaxes of Deborah Tavares

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Regarding my debate with Snoop, I think I've made my point as clearly as I can.
    My views about Tavares changed quite a bit after reading some of his info, though he doesn't seem to get that.

    I actually thought Tavares seemed a bit demented when I first saw some of her videos.
    But I chalked that up to the situation she is in (or at least, says that she is in--I don't know if that has ever been disproved), of having lost her own home in No. Cal. to fire.
    Of witnessing countless others in the same dilemma including neighbors and family members, then finding that she couldn't pursue her work as a realtor and property developer because the laws have been changing, making it more difficult and expensive to rebuild.

    All of which seems to be exactly the kind of conditions Agenda 21 is really intending to create, particularly in those areas of very high end real estate, according to many whistleblowers.
    (NOT according to the public Agenda 21 document that Snoop keeps referring to, obviously which appears quite harmless, but the REAL Agenda 21 as various whistleblowers have described it as being, which remains secret for the most part.)

    I don't know if that is really Tavares' situation, but if so, it makes it easier to understand how she might have become the desperate, unbalanced character she appears to be today (not that I am condoning her behavior).)
    And both Snoop and Tavares are dealing with a very explosive situation, so I feel compassion for both, but we have to make the truth the priority, regardless of whose information we are discussing.

    And what still bothers me about Snoop is how unbalanced (and a bit unhinged) some of his own arguments are,
    Note his statement from this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1272389

    "DEBORAH TAVARES DOES MORE DAMAGE TO US THAN THE OTHER SIDE EVER POSSIBLY COULD BECAUSE SHE IS ATTACKING US FROM INSIDE THE TRUTH MOVEMENT WHERE WE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE AND WHERE WE HAVE LET OUR GUARD DOWN."

    Now, how could that possibly be true?
    More damage than the other side?
    Isn't it quite clear by now that the other side has been decimating the populace and the planet for decades with unmatched impunity?
    Where we are most vulnerable is more likely our inability to wake up many more of the people to that fact.

    Note his extremely specious arguments here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1272865 :

    "Here's what we now know THE FIRES WERE NOT:

    1. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of a diabolical NASA weapon described in the "NASA War Document" which was intended to cause the planned extinction of mankind because that document actually proves that NASA is diligently working against such diabolical weapons TO PREVENT the planned extinction of mankind. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    2. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of a diabolical Bilderberg weapon described in "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars" which was intended to cause the planned extinction of mankind because that document is actually a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about the alleged treason and horrors suffered by American soldiers at Pearl Harbor. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    3. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of diabolical FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities described in the "Report From Iron Mountain" which was created by the U.S. government to justify FAKE wars against those FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities to prop up the U.S. economy and to kill us all by using those FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities as 'weapons" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind because that document is actually a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about the U.S.'s policy of engaging in perpetual wars to prop up the U.S. economy. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    4. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of "GENOCIDE" as allegedly advocated in the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind OR the result of the United States' alleged "SUPPORT" of "GENOCIDE" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind as reflected by its delay in signing the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" because the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" actually banned "GENOCIDE" and the displacement of people AND because the delay of the United States in signing the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" was a result of concerns over national sovereignty. (SEE POST #129 BELOW.). That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    5. THE FIRES MAY NOT be the result of PG&E using lasers on satellites in space to ignite the forests of California in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind as described in the "PG&E Laser Email Hoax" because the PG&E "emails" (upon which Deborah Tavares herself claims to base these claims) ARE FORGERIES and because PG&E's own documents claim this technology DOES NOT YET EXIST. If this is true, then PG&E lasers have never been used to start any fires. "

    Proving that certain documents were forged or misquoted or whatever by Tavares or anyone else doesn't at all prove that:
    The fires could not have been started by DEWs used by PG&E and/or created by NASA
    Or that such weapons don't exist simply because PG&E claims they don't exist
    Or that the fires weren't accomplished through the machinations of the Bilderbergs
    Or as the result of a genocidal policy being furthered by the elite through the UN or any other body that they have helped create.
    All of the above could be true, whether we have documents to prove it or not.

    Snoop's post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1274031
    "Onawah,

    My sole focus is on whether the documents that Deborah Tavares uses in support of her claims actually support her claims. Nothing more. And, everybody knows this, including you.

    But, you repeatedly pretend that I am focusing on the conclusions instead. Then, you spend your life ATTACKING IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE! That is truly bizarre.

    You act as if I am supposed to DEFEND IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE! That is absolute madness. How am I supposed to respond to that? I just shake my head in utter disbelief. Get a grip.

    You act as if I am supposed to ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE. Are you OK?

    Regardless, back to the DOCUMENTS. I have determined that every single DOCUMENT that Deborah Tavares uses in support of her claims does not actually support her claims.

    That is the sole purpose of this thread. Nothing more. And you know it. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.

    Snoop"

    Well, I'm fine, but I really wonder if he is--he is sounding fanatical to me.
    Snoop doesn't know me, doesn't know anything about my life, doesn't know what I am thinking, or what my intentions are.
    But if he thinks he is a psychic/clairvoyant/mind reader who believes he knows what anybody else is thinking or doing on that basis, and is basing any info he posts on that claim, then we need to know that.

    I have sincerely been trying to show where the big, gaping holes in his logic lie pertaining to large conspiracies in general, NOT contesting his expose of Tavares.
    I have answered the questions directed at me as best I could, with the amount of time I've decided to afford to this issue.
    I don't need to spend a lot of time reading his reams of info about documents that Tavares has falsified to understand that he has frequently framed his arguments here about what conspiracies are real or unreal based on the info he has dug up about Tavares's presentations about those conspiracies.
    Which makes absolutely no sense.

    Even though at the same time he also says that he has researched many conspiracies and actively opposes them.
    So there is a HUGE contradiction there.

    I don't know if he has a blind spot or what the cause of that discrepancy is, but it is the one thing that he still has not cleared up that has concerned me.

    But now I am done with this debate, and I am putting Snoop on my Ignore list, as this has just become a waste of my time.
    Best wishes to the other good people on this thread; I really hope you can clear up the mystery!


    Onawah,

    YOUR COMMENT: All of which [referring to all of the current hardships of Californians] seems to be exactly the kind of conditions Agenda 21 is really intending to create, particularly in those areas of very high end real estate, according to many whistleblowers.

    MY RESPONSE: I intended to reveal this analysis in my Full-Length-Version of The Agenda 21 Hoax (in progress), but what the heck. Consider this. If I were a charlatan, and if I wanted to create a BETTER version of the Agenda 21 Hoax, this is how I would do it.

    1. I would create videos and I would show the REAL, ACTUAL "AGENDA 21" DOCUMENT (unmodified) showing the Agenda 21 "agenda" AS IT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN in the official document (showing that its purpose is to PROTECT THE REMAINING FORESTS, PREVENT DROUGHT AND ENSURE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE (all of which is verifiably true).

    2. Then, in my videos, I would show written proof that "Agenda 21" was EFFECTIVELY REJECTED by the U.S. Government as a whole AND THAT IT IS NOT THE LAW, AND THEREFORE NOT ENFORCEABLE ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES (all of which is verifiably true).

    3. Then, in my videos, I would show ALL OF THE ENVIROMENTAL CALAMITIES SUFFERED BY CALIFORNIANS SINCE 1992, when Agenda 21 was first proposed and effectively rejected by the U.S. Government (DESTRUCTION OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, INCREASED DROUGHT, ABSENCE OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE, PEOPLE RENDERED HOMELESS AND DISPLACED BY FOREST FIRES).

    4. Then, in my videos, I would claim that "THE REFUSAL" (ITSELF) of U.S. Government to adopt "Agenda 21" in I992, and every year since then, constitutes conclusive "PROOF" that the U.S. Government ACTUALLY WANTED TO PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL THE REMAINING FORESTS IN CALIFORNIA, PURPOSELY INCREASE DROUGHTS IN CALIFORNIA AND PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL SUPPLIES OF FRESH WATER IN CALIFORNIA to drive Californians out of their rural and suburban homes and into cities away from the forests and wilderness areas.

    That would make a much BETTER "Agenda 21 Hoax", BECAUSE (except for the nefarious intentions of the U.S. Government part) IT IS ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, VERIFIABLY AND FACTUALLY TRUE IN EVERY SINGLE RESPECT! That would make for a much more LOGICAL explanation of the ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHIES IN CALIFORNIA than the story that Deborah Tavares peddles now (which actually CONTRADICTS Agenda 21).

    YOUR COMMENT: (NOT according to the public Agenda 21 document that Snoop keeps referring to, obviously which appears quite harmless, but the REAL Agenda 21 as various whistleblowers have described it as being, which remains secret for the most part.)

    MY RESPONSE: The version of the "Agenda 21" document that I keep referring to IS THE SAME VERSION OF THE SAME DOCUMENT THAT DEBORAH TAVARES HERSELF KEEPS REFERRING TO IN SUPPORT OF HER CLAIMS THAT THE PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 IS TO DRIVE US OUT OF OUR RURAL AND SUBURBAN HOMES and into increasingly-smaller, tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

    Needless to say, WHAT DEBORAH TAVARES SAYS ABOUT THE AGENDA 21 DOCUMENT IS FALSE. That is precisely why I posted sections of Agenda 21 here in the first place. I wanted to show proof that Deborah Tavares' claims about THIS PARTICUALR DOCUMENT are false (just like all her claims about all her other documents she uses in support of her claims). This means that Deborah Tavares HAS AGAIN lied to us about what HER OWN documents say.

    FACT: When corporate interests are threatened by proposed laws that would reduce their profits, they launch a public relations campaign against those proposed laws. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose the proposed laws for reasons of their own selfish interests. Instead, they pretend that they oppose the proposed laws to protect the interests of society in general (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

    EXAMPLE: CONSIDER THIS HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE AS IT RELATES TO AGENDA 21 (THIS MAY NOT HAVE EVER OCCURRED. IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE THIS PRINCIPLE OF CORPORATE P.R WARS.). If made into law, Agenda 21 (a proposed law) would slow the rate at which logging corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests (and thereby slow the rate at which they generate profits).

    So, these corporate interests launch a public relations campaign against Agenda 21. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose Agenda 21 to protect their own profits. Instead, they pretend to oppose Agenda 21 to protect the rest of society (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

    So, they come up with a CAREFULLY-CRAFTED LIE intended to get the rest of society to oppose Agenda 21 as much as they do. Instead of admitting that Agenda 21 would only slow down the rate at which logging corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests, they falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY WORK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION! They falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY EXPAND THE FORESTS INTO AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND ALREADY OCCUPIED BY HUMANS, thereby systematically driving homeowners out of their rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, tightly packed, over-populated cities (something that the REAL Agenda 21 would not actually do).

    This FRAUDULENT characterization of Agenda 21 would serve to make ALL THE REST OF SOCIETY join with those who profit by destroying the forests. The rest of society would OPPOSE "AGENDA 21" in the mistaken belief THAT THEY WERE SAVING THEIR OWN HOMES IN THE PROCESS. Now, THAT is a brilliant lie. But, it gets even better.

    By telling such a lie, logging corporations and real estate developers, like Deborah Tavares, could continue DESTROYING THE FORESTS and continue to cash in without any opposition from the rest of society WHILE SIMULATANEOUSLY BLAMING AGENDA 21 (WHICH NEVER BECAME LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE) FOR THE HARDSHIPS THAT THEY THEMSELVES KNOWINGLY INFLICT ON THE REST OF SOCIETY IN THE PURSUIT OF THEIR PROFITS (increased droughts and therefore increased forest fires, decreased fresh water supplies uncontaminated by sewage, etc.). Now, THAT is a TRULY brilliant lie, blaming a SUGGESTION that never became law, for the hardships suffered by Californians, when the SUGGESTION that never became law WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO PREVENT THOSE VERY HARDSHIPS!

    Remember, the foregoing is only an ILLUSTRATION of how corporate interests engage in disinformation campaigns in order to get society to oppose proposed laws that would reduce their profits. This is an example only. This may have never occurred. That is not the point.

    The point is simply that what Deborah Tavares lied to us about what the what Agenda 21 says in the same way she lied to us about every other document she has ever used in support of her claims about the planned extinction of mankind.

    I do not know if Deborah Tavares lied to us about the Agenda 21 document for same reasons of the type suggested in the hypothetical illustration above. As far as I am concerned, the reason she lied to us is irrelevant. All that really matters is that she lied to us AGAIN about what a document says is support of her claims of a planned extinction of mankind.


    YOUR COMMENT: What still bothers me about Snoop is how unbalanced his own arguments are; note his statement from this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1272389

    "DEBORAH TAVARES DOES MORE DAMAGE TO US [BY HER LIES] THAN THE OTHER SIDE EVER POSSIBLY COULD [BY ITS LIES] BECAUSE SHE IS ATTACKING US FROM INSIDE THE TRUTH MOVEMENT WHERE WE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE AND WHERE WE HAVE LET OUR GUARD DOWN."

    Now, how could that possibly be true?
    More damage than the other side?
    Isn't it quite clear by now that the other side has been decimating the populace and the planet for decades with unmatched impunity? Where we are most vulnerable is more likely our inability to wake up many more of the people to that fact.

    MY RESPONSE: Yes, that is what conspiracy theorists tell us (that the other side has been decimating the populace and the planet for decades). But, some of those conspiracy theorists ARE THE VERY SAME CONSPIRACY THEORISTS who ALSO gave us the "PG&E email FORGERIES", "The Judge DALE FORGERIES" and the "C.R.I.S. Document FORGERY Hoax" and so on and so on.

    So, I had to press the "re-set button" and start all over when it came to the claims of Deborah Tavares. That is where I am today. While I am still a conspiracy theorist, I question EVERY SINGLE WORD that Deborah Tavares has ever said. I don't trust a single word.

    My point in making the statement above which you quoted (and which was PERFECTLY CLEAR from the surrounding text) was that we know to be suspicious of the CLAIMS (not weapons) of the other side. But, we do not know to be suspicious of the CLAIMS of Deborah Tavares. This is because Deborah Tavares pretends to be one of us and because she pretends to be helping us. So, we let our defenses down and she inflicts her "DAMAGE" ON US (HER LIES) FROM INSIDE OUR OWN MOVEMENT, A PLACE WHERE WE LEAST EXPECT TO BE "DAMAGED" (LIED TO AND DUPED).

    That is what makes Deborah Tavares such a threat to us. And, that is exactly what I said in the language surrounding the quote above which you saw fit to omit from this comment. So, there again, you pretended to be confused about something that you are not actually confused about to attack something you know I never said. That is precisely what I meant when I said you aren't fooling anybody. We can see that you are pretending. You knew exactly what I meant. But, you pretended not to understand what I meant so as to manufacture a fake, phony, false pretext to attack me and my and the truth about the DOCUMENTS used by Deborah Tavares.

    YOUR COMMENT: Note his extremely specious arguments here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1272865 :

    MY RESPONSE: See Post 124 for the context of the section quoted below.

    THE CONTEXT OF THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE WAS AS FOLLOWS:

    PETERPAM HAD ASKED ONAWAH FOR PROOF THAT THE RECENT FIRES IN CALIFORNIA WERE ACTUALLY AGENDA 21 FIRES (SUGGESTIONG THOSE FIRES MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AGENDA 21 FIRES).

    IN THIS CONTEXT, I WAS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO PETERPAM THAT I AGREED WITH HER THAT NOT ONLY MIGHT THE FIRES NOT HAVE BEEN AGENDA 21 "DOCUMENT" FIRES,

    1. THEY WERE ALSO NOT LOGICALLY "NASA WAR DOCUMENT" FIRES (because that DOCUMENT was actually CREATED AND USED in an effort to protect us from the diabolical weapons depicted in that document of the type that might start fires);

    2. THEY WERE ALSO NOT LOGICALLY "SILENT WEAPONS FOR QUIET WARS" FIRES (because that DOCUMENT is actually POLITICAL SATIRE, a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about Pearl Harbor AND NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BILDERBERGS);

    3. THEY WERE ALSO NOT LOGICALLY "REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN" FIRES (because that DOCUMENT was actually POLITICAL FICTION, a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about the U.S. government's policy of engaging in endless wars to prop up the U.S. economy AND NEVER HAD ANY ANYTHING TO DO WITH ACTUALLY USING "FAKE ENVIRONMENTAL CALAMITIES" AS "WEAPONS". The purpose of the "FAKE environmental calamities" story in that book, like the "FAKE alien life forms" story in that book, WAS TO MAKE A "MOCKERY" OF THE U.S. POLICY OF ENGAGING IN ENDLESS WARS. THE JOKE WAS THAT IF THE U.S. EVER RAN OUT OF "REAL ENEMIES" TO JUSTIFY ITS ENDLESS WARS, it could simply make up "FAKE ENEMIES", like "FAKE environmental calamities" and "FAKE alien life forms" to justify its endless wars. So, the "FAKE [engineered] environmental calamities" story in that book was an INSIDE JOKE to show the extent that U.S. policy makers would go to justify endless wars to prop up the U.S. economy. That inside joke DOES NOT constitute proof that the U.S. ACTUALLY causes "FAKE [engineered] environmental calamities" to use as weapons against Americans.);

    4. THE FIRES WERE ALSO NOT LOGIICALLY "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" FIRES (because that DOCUMENT actually bans both GENOCIDE and DISPLACING PEOPLE, something Deborah Tavares said the fires did and would continue to do).

    5. AND MAY NOT HAVE BEEN "PG&E LASER EMAIL" FIRES (because one PG&E EMAILS ARE FORGERIES).

    (Quote begins)

    Let's look at the possibilities logically and rationally using our critical thinking skills.


    "Here's what we now know THE FIRES WERE NOT:

    1. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of a diabolical NASA weapon described in the "NASA War Document" which was intended to cause the planned extinction of mankind because that document actually proves that NASA is diligently working against such diabolical weapons TO PREVENT the planned extinction of mankind. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    2. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of a diabolical Bilderberg weapon described in "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars" which was intended to cause the planned extinction of mankind because that document is actually political fiction, a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about the alleged treason and horrors suffered by American soldiers at Pearl Harbor. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    3. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of diabolical FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities described in the "Report From Iron Mountain" which was created by the U.S. government to justify FAKE wars against those FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities to prop up the U.S. economy and to kill us all by using those FAKE (engineered) environmental calamities as 'weapons" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind because that document is actually political satire, a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about the U.S.'s policy of engaging in perpetual wars to prop up the U.S. economy. That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    4. THE FIRES WERE NOT the result of "GENOCIDE" as allegedly advocated in the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind OR the result of the United States' alleged "SUPPORT" of "GENOCIDE" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind as reflected by its delay in signing the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" because the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" actually banned "GENOCIDE" and the displacement of people AND because the delay of the United States in signing the "GENOCIDE AGREEMENT" was a result of concerns over national sovereignty. (SEE POST #129 BELOW.). That is one less thing to worry about. So, that is a good thing.

    5. THE FIRES MAY NOT have been the result of PG&E using lasers on satellites in space to ignite the forests of California in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind as described in the "PG&E Laser Email Hoax" because the PG&E "emails" (upon which Deborah Tavares herself claims to base these claims) ARE FORGERIES and because PG&E's own documents claim this technology DOES NOT YET EXIST. IF THIS IS TRUE, then PG&E lasers have never been used to start fires. "

    Proving that certain documents were forged or misquoted or whatever by Tavares or anyone else doesn't at all prove that:
    The fires could not have been started by DEWs used by PG&E and/or created by NASA Correct, just "NOT AS DESCRIBED" in the documents used by Deborah Tavares to support those claims (as I said above), because that document was created and used in opposition to such diabolical weapons.
    Or that such weapons don't exist simply because PG&E claims they don't exist Correct. Only if the claims in the PG&E document to the effect that this technology does not yet exist ARE TRUE (as I stated above).
    Or that the fires weren't accomplished through the machinations of the Bilderbergs. Correct, just "NOT AS DESCRIBED" in the document used by Deborah Tavares to support those claims (as I said above), because that document is political satire, a DISGUISED COMPLAINT about Pearl Harbor AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BILDERBERGS.



    YOUR COMMENTS: Snoop's post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1274031
    "Onawah,

    My sole focus is on whether the documents that Deborah Tavares uses in support of her claims actually support her claims. Nothing more. And, everybody knows this, including you.

    But, you repeatedly pretend that I am focusing on the conclusions instead. Then, you spend your life ATTACKING IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE! That is truly bizarre.

    You act as if I am supposed to DEFEND IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE! That is absolute madness. How am I supposed to respond to that? I just shake my head in utter disbelief. Get a grip.

    You act as if I am supposed to ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT IMAGINARY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU KNOW I NEVER MADE. Are you OK?

    Regardless, back to the DOCUMENTS. I have determined that every single DOCUMENT that Deborah Tavares uses in support of her claims does not actually support her claims.

    That is the sole purpose of this thread. Nothing more. And you know it. Do not pretend otherwise. You aren't fooling anybody.

    Snoop"

    YOUR COMMENT: Well, I'm fine,... Snoop doesn't know me, doesn't know anything about my life, doesn't know what I am thinking, or what my intentions are.

    My RESPONSE: What I do know is that you have expended more time, effort and energy into bashing me and the truth than any other person I have ever known. What I do know is that YOUR REAL CONCERNS have nothing to do with the fact that Deborah Tavares fakes, forges, alters and mischaracterizes ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS she uses in support of her claims (something that should make your blood boil). What I do know is that YOUR REAL CONCERNS are protecting the believability and marketability of the claims that are supported by documents that you know to be fake, forged, altered or mischaracterized. Finally, I do know that your are so concerned about protecting the believability and marketability of the claims that you know are supported by fake, forged, altered or mischaracterized documents THAT YOU ARE PERFECTLY WILLING TO TRY TO DESTROY AN INNOCENT TRUTHER, FOR DOING WHAT IS RIGHT, ON A TRUTHER WEBSITE, ON A FORUM ENTITLED "HOAXES AND OTHER BAD INFORMATION" if doing so serves to protect the believability and the marketability of those resulting claims. What am I supposed to think about you, given your pattern of conduct described above?

    YOUR COMMENT: I have sincerely been trying to show where the big, gaping holes in his logic lie pertaining to large conspiracies in general, NOT contesting his expose of Tavares.

    MY RESPONSE: These words amount to an admission that my foregoing comment is completely true in every respect. You do NOT CONTEST THE TRUTH THAT I HAVE EXPOSED ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS used by Deborah Tavares in support of her claims (YOU KNOW THEY DO NOT SUPPORT HER CLAIMS). Instead, your SOLE CONCERN is protecting the believability of "LARGE CONSPIRACIES" which you now know Deborah Tavares supports with DOCUMENTS YOU KNOW THAT DO NOT SUPPORT HER CLAIMS. Which one of us REALLY has gaping holes in our logic?


    YOUR WORDS: I don't need to read his reams of info about documents that Tavares has falsified to understand that he has frequently based his arguments here about what conspiracies are real or unreal on the info he has dug up about Tavares's documentation about those conspiracies. Which makes absolutely no sense.

    MY RESPONSE: When I discovered that Deborah Tavares has engaged in a decade-long pattern of intentional fraud of conspiracy theorists (including me), I stopped believing her.

    I had to press the "re-set button" and start all over when it came to her and her claims. That is where I am today. While I am still a conspiracy theorist, I question EVERY SINGLE THING that Deborah Tavares has ever said.

    And, despite your claims above to the contrary, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE that when I found out that Deborah Tavares was a "serial liar", I would doubt every claim she ever made whether "real or unreal".
    Indeed, any other response to discovering this pattern of fraud would NOT make perfect sense.


    She fooled me once. She will never do it again.

    The cynicism that you detect in the tone of my language reflects that I do not believe a word she says. I have every right to be cynical under these circumstances. And, I make no apologies for it.

    If you are suggesting that I am to blame for damaging the credibility and believability of conspiracy theory, you are mistaken. If the credibility of conspiracy theory has been damaged, then Deborah Tavares certainly deserves all the credit.

    I am not the one who has spent a decade intentionally defrauding all conspiracy theorists with elaborate hoaxes. I am not the one who forges, alters and mischaracterizes documents to support my claims. I am not the one who intentionally incites hatred and violence against innocent Americans.

    YOUR COMMENT: Even though at the same time he also says that he has researched many conspiracies and actively opposes them.
    So there is a HUGE contradiction there.

    MY RESPONSE: I oppose every single harmful thing inflicted upon mankind, forest fires, radiation from cell phones, cell towers, WIFI, 5G, GMO.s DEW's, fluoride, chemicals used in geo-engineering, insecticides pesticides, DDT, Dioxin, PCB's, false flag operations, debt slavery, fractional reserve banking, wars for money and all the rest of it. I JUST HAPPEN TO INCLUDE LIES, FRAUD, HOAXES AND FORGERIES IN THAT SAME CATAGORY OF HARMFUL THINGS THAT ARE INFLICTED UPON MANKIND. The real question here is "Why don't you?". Which one of our positions REALLY reflects a "HUGE contradiction"?

    YOUR COMMENT: But now I am done with this debate, and I am putting Snoop on my Ignore list, as this has just become a waste of my time. Best wishes to the other good people on this thread; I really hope you can clear up the mystery!

    MY RESPONSE: You may find this hard to believe, but I hope that you will reconsider. I do not want you to leave this thread. I just want you to stop attacking me and my work. We are both Truthers here. We should be on the same side. If there ever comes a day when the truth becomes more important to you than the believably of the claims that you know Deborah Tavares supports with fake, forged, altered and mischaracterized documents, then please come back home.

    All The Best,

    Snoop
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    Here’s something to consider - using 5G here as an example:

    . It is public knowledge there are scientists, environmentalists, citizens, government officials, etc pleading a case in media and local/state government bodies re the potential hazards of 5G; that are not connected to Traveres and Co.

    . The sources of 5G would have very sophisticated and expensive crisis management consultants and spin doctors alerted and ready to strategize.

    . This is called ASTRO TURFING. Astro Turfing traditionally means create fake supporters for a product to drown out opposition. Laws have been created around Astro Turfing so additional strategies would come into play e.g. sympathize with a movement with the sole intention of undermining the movement by copying character assassination strategies; but instead of character assassination they go for group/movement assassination.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

    Quote Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants. It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection.

    The term astroturfing is derived from AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to resemble natural grass, as a play on the word "grassroots." The implication behind the use of the term is that instead of a "true" or "natural" grassroots effort behind the activity in question, there is a "fake" or "artificial" appearance of support.

    In political science, it is defined as the process of seeking electoral victory or legislative relief for grievances by helping political actors find and mobilize a sympathetic public, and is designed to create the image of public consensus where there is none. On the Internet, astroturfers use software to mask their identity.

    Sometimes one individual operates through many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda. Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.
    For many, Astro Turfing is unethical. For many, it is business; and it’s BIG BUSINESS!
    For example:

    Quote http://www.hawthorngroup.com/advocacy/

    GRASSROOTS ADVOCACY: Advocacy campaigns have the potential to influence the political and policy debate and have a dramatic impact on nature of legislation and regulations. Hawthorn is a recognized industry leader in creating and managing cost-effective, high-quality and measureable campaigns that integrate all communication and organizational tools to deliver results.

    Creating and activating Grassroots and GrassTops support is often a key element of a successful advocacy campaign and Hawthorn has developed and managed hundreds of successful programs across the country and around the world. Our campaigns produce volume when needed, but the goal is often best reached by focusing on generating targeted support from real political Influentials in key districts and/or states. We know how to motivate advocates to take real, verifiable actions in a controlled and measured way, and our programs set the standard for quality, reliability and results. Hawthorn has a bias for action and the infrastructure in place that allows us to ramp up activities like phone calls, emails and letters to public officials immediately, as well as provide an experienced on-the-ground field team on command.

    The backbone of any advocacy program is the breadth and depth of the field network supporting it. Hawthorn’s extensive national network of specialist firms and experienced individuals provides us with the local knowledge and resources necessary to target, attract, and mobilize allies and advocates. Each is a recognized leader in their market, bringing decades of political, media, and grassroots organizing experience to the issue at hand.

    [In October 2018, after denying that they had paid for people to show up in support of a controversial power plant development project in New Orleans, Entergy was fined five million dollars for using astroturf firm The Hawthorn Group to provide actors to prevent real community members' voices from being counted at city council meetings and show false grassroots support.]

    . It can be said that many citizens, government officials and law makers, who are being called to discuss and rule on 5G, would have minimal understanding of the pros and cons of 5G and will inevitably have to do some research on both sides of the argument in order to form an opinion. Media being the greatest tool for swaying opinion.

    . Now let’s imagine that in their research endeavours they came across the very vocal Traveres and Co group who are deliberately and excessively using repetitive spin language of “Silent Wars – Planned Extinction of Mankind”.

    How do you think these people will mentally react to these statements and then discover that Traveres and Co are peddling fake documents? How are public officials going to react when amongst legitimate letters of concern with credible documents they are swamped with letters from Traveres and Co?

    Quote “Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.”
    Inhibit Action could well result in opinions being formed that “all those against 5G must be kooks who believe in extremist claims”. And that is the direct result ASTRO TURFING Sponsors would be aiming for.

    Quote Sometimes one individual operates through many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda.
    . When looking into Traveres and Co it becomes evident there are multiple players involved and some of them have been listed in this thread; they also show repetitive patterns in their blog formats.

    They are also very active and serious about their “grassroots movement campaigning” by peddling car signs, banners, etc; vocalizing in as many areas as they can; writing to council officials, etc; and drumming up passionate support to get people to spread their message far and wide. They certainly fit the profile for being an “experienced on-the-ground field team on command” when they are able to pop up in all the right places to record their videos on multiple agendas.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1271620

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1272790

    . Should we let Traveres and Co go unchecked because there is circumstantial evidence that suggests they are Astro Turfing and by exposing them we could be feeding directly into the hands of their Sponsors/Handlers?

    Should we pray and hope that researchers and interested civilians don’t come across Traveres and Co spin that is being promoted far and wide by their followers?

    NO. Not in my opinion. Revealing the hoaxes will enable credible opposition to 5G to use Traveres and Co in their arguments by demonstrating that they are Astro Turfing which can have significant impact on their arguments. The work of Snoops is therefore valuable to credible opposition, let alone the Truther Movement.

    . Public Affairs Firms who are responsible for orchestrating “grassroots movement campaigns” do get caught with their fabrications and deceptions. For example, Bonner & Associates:

    Quote . On December 18, 1986, The New York Times reported that the company was hired to run a toll free line for people to request “What Works: Schools Without Drugs,” a free book on drug abuse. The program received several large requests for the book. After an internal investigation the management at Bonner & Associates found several employees in direct violation of the policy of the firm and the contract by adding names and addresses compiled from sources other than the toll free number assigned for that purpose. The firm fired the employees and immediately reported their actions to the government.
    . On August 1, 2009, The Washington Post reported that a temporary staffer contrary to firm policies was discovered by Bonner & Associates to have sent forged letters to the Hill.
    . In 2009, Bonner & Associates found that a company employee was violating their company policy and was forging anti-climate bill letters to Rep. Tom Perriello (Dem-VA). The letters were supposedly from local minority groups, like the Charlottesville NAACP or Creciendo Juntos—complete with their stationery—and urged him to oppose the ACES climate change bill. The company immediately fired the employee they said was responsible and apologized.
    Interestingly, and sadly, these organizations have developed a great spin for getting out of their deceptions by hanging out scapegoats, but of course the damage is done.

    My point for this post is this:

    . WHY would Traveres and Co deliberately forge documents to promote a cause, which needs grassroots action to bring understanding to the matter, when there is no intelligent and logical reason to?

    . WHY would Traveres and Co deliberately risk hurting the genuine grassroots movements by undermining the credible data?

    . It is highly possible that Traveres and Co are paid contractors who are an “experienced on-the-ground field team on command” for Astro Turfing on multiple agendas and they need to be exposed.

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    Quote Posted by Gemma13 (here)
    Here’s something to consider - using 5G here as an example:

    . It is public knowledge there are scientists, environmentalists, citizens, government officials, etc pleading a case in media and local/state government bodies re the potential hazards of 5G; that are not connected to Traveres and Co.

    . The sources of 5G would have very sophisticated and expensive crisis management consultants and spin doctors alerted and ready to strategize.

    . This is called ASTRO TURFING. Astro Turfing traditionally means create fake supporters for a product to drown out opposition. Laws have been created around Astro Turfing so additional strategies would come into play e.g. sympathize with a movement with the sole intention of undermining the movement by copying character assassination strategies; but instead of character assassination they go for group/movement assassination.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

    Quote Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants. It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection.

    The term astroturfing is derived from AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to resemble natural grass, as a play on the word "grassroots." The implication behind the use of the term is that instead of a "true" or "natural" grassroots effort behind the activity in question, there is a "fake" or "artificial" appearance of support.

    In political science, it is defined as the process of seeking electoral victory or legislative relief for grievances by helping political actors find and mobilize a sympathetic public, and is designed to create the image of public consensus where there is none. On the Internet, astroturfers use software to mask their identity.

    Sometimes one individual operates through many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda. Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.
    For many, Astro Turfing is unethical. For many, it is business; and it’s BIG BUSINESS!
    For example:

    Quote http://www.hawthorngroup.com/advocacy/

    GRASSROOTS ADVOCACY: Advocacy campaigns have the potential to influence the political and policy debate and have a dramatic impact on nature of legislation and regulations. Hawthorn is a recognized industry leader in creating and managing cost-effective, high-quality and measureable campaigns that integrate all communication and organizational tools to deliver results.

    Creating and activating Grassroots and GrassTops support is often a key element of a successful advocacy campaign and Hawthorn has developed and managed hundreds of successful programs across the country and around the world. Our campaigns produce volume when needed, but the goal is often best reached by focusing on generating targeted support from real political Influentials in key districts and/or states. We know how to motivate advocates to take real, verifiable actions in a controlled and measured way, and our programs set the standard for quality, reliability and results. Hawthorn has a bias for action and the infrastructure in place that allows us to ramp up activities like phone calls, emails and letters to public officials immediately, as well as provide an experienced on-the-ground field team on command.

    The backbone of any advocacy program is the breadth and depth of the field network supporting it. Hawthorn’s extensive national network of specialist firms and experienced individuals provides us with the local knowledge and resources necessary to target, attract, and mobilize allies and advocates. Each is a recognized leader in their market, bringing decades of political, media, and grassroots organizing experience to the issue at hand.

    [In October 2018, after denying that they had paid for people to show up in support of a controversial power plant development project in New Orleans, Entergy was fined five million dollars for using astroturf firm The Hawthorn Group to provide actors to prevent real community members' voices from being counted at city council meetings and show false grassroots support.]

    . It can be said that many citizens, government officials and law makers, who are being called to discuss and rule on 5G, would have minimal understanding of the pros and cons of 5G and will inevitably have to do some research on both sides of the argument in order to form an opinion. Media being the greatest tool for swaying opinion.

    . Now let’s imagine that in their research endeavours they came across the very vocal Traveres and Co group who are deliberately and excessively using repetitive spin language of “Silent Wars – Planned Extinction of Mankind”.

    How do you think these people will mentally react to these statements and then discover that Traveres and Co are peddling fake documents? How are public officials going to react when amongst legitimate letters of concern with credible documents they are swamped with letters from Traveres and Co?

    Quote “Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.”
    Inhibit Action could well result in opinions being formed that “all those against 5G must be kooks who believe in extremist claims”. And that is the direct result ASTRO TURFING Sponsors would be aiming for.

    Quote Sometimes one individual operates through many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda.
    . When looking into Traveres and Co it becomes evident there are multiple players involved and some of them have been listed in this thread; they also show repetitive patterns in their blog formats.

    They are also very active and serious about their “grassroots movement campaigning” by peddling car signs, banners, etc; vocalizing in as many areas as they can; writing to council officials, etc; and drumming up passionate support to get people to spread their message far and wide. They certainly fit the profile for being an “experienced on-the-ground field team on command” when they are able to pop up in all the right places to record their videos on multiple agendas.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1271620

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1272790

    . Should we let Traveres and Co go unchecked because there is circumstantial evidence that suggests they are Astro Turfing and by exposing them we could be feeding directly into the hands of their Sponsors/Handlers?

    Should we pray and hope that researchers and interested civilians don’t come across Traveres and Co spin that is being promoted far and wide by their followers?

    NO. Not in my opinion. Revealing the hoaxes will enable credible opposition to 5G to use Traveres and Co in their arguments by demonstrating that they are Astro Turfing which can have significant impact on their arguments. The work of Snoops is therefore valuable to credible opposition, let alone the Truther Movement.

    . Public Affairs Firms who are responsible for orchestrating “grassroots movement campaigns” do get caught with their fabrications and deceptions. For example, Bonner & Associates:

    Quote . On December 18, 1986, The New York Times reported that the company was hired to run a toll free line for people to request “What Works: Schools Without Drugs,” a free book on drug abuse. The program received several large requests for the book. After an internal investigation the management at Bonner & Associates found several employees in direct violation of the policy of the firm and the contract by adding names and addresses compiled from sources other than the toll free number assigned for that purpose. The firm fired the employees and immediately reported their actions to the government.
    . On August 1, 2009, The Washington Post reported that a temporary staffer contrary to firm policies was discovered by Bonner & Associates to have sent forged letters to the Hill.
    . In 2009, Bonner & Associates found that a company employee was violating their company policy and was forging anti-climate bill letters to Rep. Tom Perriello (Dem-VA). The letters were supposedly from local minority groups, like the Charlottesville NAACP or Creciendo Juntos—complete with their stationery—and urged him to oppose the ACES climate change bill. The company immediately fired the employee they said was responsible and apologized.
    Interestingly, and sadly, these organizations have developed a great spin for getting out of their deceptions by hanging out scapegoats, but of course the damage is done.

    My point for this post is this:

    . WHY would Traveres and Co deliberately forge documents to promote a cause, which needs grassroots action to bring understanding to the matter, when there is no intelligent and logical reason to?

    . WHY would Traveres and Co deliberately risk hurting the genuine grassroots movements by undermining the credible data?

    . It is highly possible that Traveres and Co are paid contractors who are an “experienced on-the-ground field team on command” for Astro Turfing on multiple agendas and they need to be exposed.
    Gemma13,

    Great comment.

    Great critical thinking.

    Well-crafted prose.

    Here are my thoughts.

    I will never believe that Deborah Tavares is really a "double agent".

    But, I have to admit, there is absolutely no way in hell to argue with your logic or your reasoning.

    Your logic is spot on.

    Great comment,

    Snoop

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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    In this video Deborah is talking about 2 cell phone towers. Both towers are hidden in artificial palm trees. Deborah goes on to tell us that they have been "stealthily hidden from us". Which gives the listener the feeling that they are trying to hide them from the masses. It implies that there is a hidden agenda with these cell towers.

    The fact is that they placed are that way because that is what the community required. It is done for aesthetic reasons. We just had a big issue in my community where they put up a cell tower and the community demanded that they do something because it looked bad. They hid it in a tall fake pine. They really aren't hidden at all. It's easy to spot but at a distance looks better than a tall pole with boxes. Why is it necessary to tell us that these cell towers (that she is likely is using herself) have been stealthily hidden? Why not just present the information you have?

    I'm pretty sure some would wonder why I would bring up such a trivial point? Like Snoop says, if you look for patterns you can get a better overall picture.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_x7t4dmkQ
    Peterpam,

    Great comment.

    YOUR COMMENT: In this video Deborah is talking about 2 cell phone towers. Both towers are hidden in artificial palm trees. Deborah goes on to tell us that they have been "stealthily hidden from us". Which gives the listener the feeling that they are trying to hide them from the masses. It implies that there is a hidden agenda with these cell towers.

    The fact is that they placed are that way because that is what the community required. It is done for aesthetic reasons.

    MY RESPONSE: From a legal standpoint, how did this dispute come up? Did your jurisdiction already have an ordinance on the books which required all such towers to be "camouflaged" so as to be less of an "eye sore"? OR, did your jurisdiction require the "camouflage" as a condition (a prerequisite) to issuing a building permit or other permit for the tower? OR, did the tower get built first, and when the citizenry complained of its appearance, the county or city commissioners required the cell phone company to "camouflage" the tower to keep the peace?

    Thanks,

    Snoop

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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    In this video Deborah is talking about 2 cell phone towers. Both towers are hidden in artificial palm trees. Deborah goes on to tell us that they have been "stealthily hidden from us". Which gives the listener the feeling that they are trying to hide them from the masses. It implies that there is a hidden agenda with these cell towers.

    The fact is that they placed are that way because that is what the community required. It is done for aesthetic reasons. We just had a big issue in my community where they put up a cell tower and the community demanded that they do something because it looked bad. They hid it in a tall fake pine. They really aren't hidden at all. It's easy to spot but at a distance looks better than a tall pole with boxes. Why is it necessary to tell us that these cell towers (that she is likely is using herself) have been stealthily hidden? Why not just present the information you have?

    I'm pretty sure some would wonder why I would bring up such a trivial point? Like Snoop says, if you look for patterns you can get a better overall picture.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_x7t4dmkQ
    Peterpam,

    Great comment.

    YOUR COMMENT: In this video Deborah is talking about 2 cell phone towers. Both towers are hidden in artificial palm trees. Deborah goes on to tell us that they have been "stealthily hidden from us". Which gives the listener the feeling that they are trying to hide them from the masses. It implies that there is a hidden agenda with these cell towers.

    The fact is that they placed are that way because that is what the community required. It is done for aesthetic reasons.

    MY RESPONSE: From a legal standpoint, how did this dispute come up? Did your jurisdiction already have an ordinance on the books which required all such towers to be "camouflaged" so as to be less of an "eye sore"? OR, did your jurisdiction require the "camouflage" as a condition (a prerequisite) to issuing a building permit or other permit for the tower? OR, did the tower get built first, and when the citizenry complained of its appearance, the county or city commissioners required the cell phone company to "camouflage" the tower to keep the peace?

    Thanks,

    Snoop
    The neighborhood complained after the fact and the local media made a big deal about it. This is a rural area so I guess this is big news. To be honest, I don't know what the requirements from the county are. What I do know is that it was not being stealthily hidden from us. That kind of wording really does establish mental imagery of a devious enemy sneaking around us to do harm putting up towers in the dead of night and hiding them to look like trees. What a bunch of bunk... It also creates imagery of us vs. them.These cell towers are used by most people these days, good bad or indifferent.

    Don't get me wrong, as Gemma said, there are very legitimate concerns with these cell towers and specifically 5G so why dramatize if you don't need to? It seems like it is really easy for people to get addicted to their 15 minutes of fame on Youtube. I compare it to the challenge of competitive athletes to always better what they have already done to stay in the limelight. Maybe they started out with a legitimate contribution, but after awhile, everything has already been said, but the need to stay on top, to get views and subscribers becomes a sort of addiction for the ego. I have seen a number of people compromise themselves for this reason, which is disappointing to me.

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    DRAFT OF MY NEW DETAILED SUMMARY OF THE PG&E FAKE EMAIL HOAX.

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    5). THE FAKE PG&E EMAIL HOAX (THE CALIFORNIA FIRES HOAX):

    THE HOAX: In the PG&E FAKE Email Hoax, Deborah Tavares claims to have obtained emails which effectively prove that PG&E caused the recent fires in California by beaming energy beams from satellites in space at California. But, her claims about these emails are lies. They are FORGERIES.

    VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ENGAGED IN THE HOAX (Jeff Rense is not involved in the hoax)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 11:10-20:00)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3fb--FC_oQ (at 1:05-3:40)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7As3d9NgDyk (at 27:20-30:10)

    Pacific Gas & Electric ("PG&E") is a California electrical utility company. Over the next few years, PG&E is required by law to generate an increasingly higher and higher percentage of its electrical power without producing any carbon emissions. So, PG&E has increasingly resorted to wind, solar and thermal technology to generate electrical power.

    But, PG&E's conventional, ground-based, solar panels can only collect energy from the Sun during the middle of daylight hours in good weather. So, in 2009, PG&E announced that in the future, solar panels on satellites in space might be used to generate energy from the Sun 24 hours a day. These satellites might then beam the power to Earth in the form of laser beams or radio frequency beams. The power might then be received at receptor stations on Earth and then converted to electricity for use by its customers.

    WHAT PG&E ANNOUNCED IN 2009:
    https://www.pge.com/en_US/small-medi...se_link-energy

    Solaren is a private California company which has patented the technology described above. In 2009, PG&E entered into a contract with Solaren to buy finished electricity from Solaren if Solaren is ever successful in generating electrical power using this technology. Under the contract, Solaren would own, operate and control all its satellites, rectennas and all the receiver stations. Originally, Solaren promised to provide PG&E with finished electricity by 2016. But, it ran into financial problems and still has not provided any electricity, even at this late date. The California Public Utilities Commission ("CPUC") approved the contract on the condition that no money from PG&E customers ever be used to develop this technology.

    THE CONTRACT:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34239347/n.../#.XHRAB1KFPIU (at paragraphs 1-5)
    https://www.afcea.org/content/space-...closer-reality(at paragraphs 8, 9 & 10)
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-light-of-day/(at the final two paragraphs)
    https://www.businessinsider.com/spac...r-earth-2014-7(at the final two paragraphs)

    Deborah Tavares lives in Sebastopol and has publically opposed PG&E because of its "smart meters". So, when the recent forest fires burned northern California, Deborah Tavares wanted to blame PG&E and the technology described above for starting those fires. But, there was a problem. The scientific and economic literature indicated that this technology did not yet exist.

    CURRENT SCIENTIFIC & ECONOMIC LITERATURE ON THIS TECHNOLOGY:
    This technology will not be in use until the end of the decade. See the last 3 paragraphs and the final sentence here. https://www.businessinsider.com/spac...r-earth-2014-7
    This technology did not exist in 2017. Beginning at the bottom of page 16 here.
    https://space.nss.org/media/NSS-JOUR...olar-Power.pdf
    This technology is not in use in 2019. See the last paragraph. https://www.electricityforum.com/new...ospaceforpower.
    This technology did not exist in 2018. See the FIRST and LAST paragraph here. http://earthsky.org/earth/space-base...ser-to-reality
    This technology will not be in use until at least 2019. See page 62 http://fiso.spiritastro.net/telecon/...e_12-14-16.pdf
    This technology did not exist in 2018. See the final paragraph. http://www.alternative-energy-news.i...ls-into-orbit/

    SO, TO REBUT ALL THOSE FACTS, Deborah Tavares FORGED a series of FAKE emails (purportedly between the CPUC and PG&E) indicating that this beam technology already existed, that it was already in use and that it could be used to kill us all.

    THE FORGERIES:
    1. PUBLISHED EMAIL FORGERIES: http://stopthecrime.net/wp/2018/08/2...rn-california/

    Afterwards, Deborah Tavares created more FORGED emails reflecting imaginary responses from imaginary experts to which Deborah Tavares allegedly forwarded her FORGED emails above. Not surprisingly, these imaginary experts agreed with Deborah Tavares that this beam technology already existed, that it has long been in use and that it could be used to kill us all.

    2. TWO UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, FORGERIES AT ABOUT 20% THROUGH THE TEXT HERE: http://smartmetersmurder.com/

    3. THE FINAL TWO UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, FORGERIES
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 17:25-18:40)

    Thus, Deborah Tavares herself actually created the very FORGERIES which she fraudulently claims CONSTITUTE "PROOF" that PG&E used this future beam technology to start the recent fires in California to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

    THE REASONS WHY WE KNOW THESE PUBLISHED EMAILS ARE FORGERIES:

    1. Tavares did not know what "space weather" actually was (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). "Solar flares" on the surface of the Sun erupt about every 11 years or so. These solar flares extend millions of miles into space and emit extremely high amounts of radiation into space. This radiation is called "space weather" (like a "rain" or "storm" OF RADIATION in space). (It is the Earth's atmosphere which protects all life on Earth from this radiation.). The radiation emitted during such "space weather" is so powerful that it can damage or destroy electrical power transformers here on Earth if they are linked to earth-based solar panels. Such damage can result in power outages. That is why "space weather" would be of concern to PG&E. During "damaging space weather", PG&E has to protect its transformers linked to earth-based solar panels because some such transformers provide electrical power to nuclear power plants and to hospitals which cannot afford power outages for obvious reasons.

    DEBORAH TAVARES' MISTAKE:
    But, Deborah Tavares did not know any of this. She mistakenly believed that "space weather" was WEATHER HERE ON EARTH (like drought and fire) that was artificially created and controlled by lasers, radio frequencies or microwaves beamed at the Earth from satellites IN SPACE (a stupid mistake that a REAL PG&E executive WOULD NOT MAKE).

    HOW THIS MISTAKE SHOWS UP IN THE FORGERIES:

    In FORGING the phrase "...then have its lawyers BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS, AKA EARTHLINGS, FOR ANY ADVERSE CONSEQUENSES RESULTING [FROM DAMAGING SPACE WEATHER]" in the 9:50 email above, Deborah Tavares was referring to the adverse consequences of FIRES WHICH PG&E CAN BLAME ON ITS CUSTOMERS (not realizing that "damaging space weather" is actually radiation in outer space caused by solar flares on the surface of the Sun every 11 years). Unknown to Deborah Tavares, the consequences resulting from "damaging space weather" is actually power outages, NOT FIRES! AND, PG&E CANNOT POSSIBLY BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS FOR ITS OWN POWER OUTAGES CAUSED BY RADIATION FROM SOLAR FLARES ON THE SURFACE OF THE SUN EVERY 11 YEARS. So, in creating this FORGERY, Deborah Tavares did not know that PG&E customers can NEVER be "blamed" for the "consequences" of "damaging space weather", WHICH IS ONLY POWER OUTAGES (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). This mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

    2. Likewise, Deborah Tavares did not know the terms of PG&E's contract with Solaren (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). So, Deborah Tavares did not know that PG&E would never own, operate, manage or control any such satellites, rectennas, receiving stations or have any say in how, when or where energy from satellites in space would be directed. Instead, Solaren would be solely responsible for all of that. Under the contract, all PG&E would ever do would be to buy finished electricity from Solaren if Solaren was ever successful in generating electricity using this technology. Under the contract, PG&E is simply a future customer of Solaren. Nothing more. But, Deborah Tavares did not know this.

    HOW THIS MISTAKE SHOWS UP IN THE FORGERIES:

    So, in FORGING the sentence, "WE [referring to PG&E] have changed OUR receptor site from the Mojave desert (sic) to Sebastopol" in the 10:03 email above, Deborah Tavares sought to create the illusion that she was so important to PG&E that it actually "targeted" her with radio frequency waves beamed from satellites in space in retaliation for her opposition to PG&E "smart meters". See PROOF here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 18:40-19:20). Are you kidding me?! What a narcissist!

    Regardless, Deborah Tavares did not know that PG&E had no ability to aim Solaren's energy beams or to move Solaren's receptor station from one place to another (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). This mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

    Further, Deborah Tavares did not know that Solaren's actual receptor site is in Fresno, hundreds of miles away from the Mojave Desert (something a REAL PG&E executive would know).

    PROOF THAT FRESNO (NOT SEBASTOPOL) IS THE REAL RECEPTOR SITE:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34239347/n.../#.XHRAB1KFPIU (at the 3rd paragraph)
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-light-of-day/ (at end of 2nd paragraph)
    https://www.electricityforum.com/new...ospaceforpower (at the 16th paragraph)

    Moreover, Deborah Tavares did not know that such receiver rectennas are up to six miles in diameter (which would make it obvious to every person living in Sebastopol if it had actually had been relocated there as Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims).

    Finally, a REAL PG&E executive would not refer to Solaren's receptor site as "OUR" receptor site, would know that Solaren's receptor station was in Fresno (not in the Mojave Desert) and would know that PG&E had no power or ability to change Solaren's receptor site. The foregoing mistakes prove that this email is a forgery.

    3. Use your own common sense. As to the 10:03 email, how likely is it that a PG&E executive would open an email to the CPUC with a "reminder" of the ACTUAL INTERNAL MECHANICS of exactly how Solaren's technology worked? The CPUC had just approved of PG&E's use of Solaren's technology provided that PG&E never invested any of its customer's money to finance the project. The CPUC did not need a "reminder" of the ACTUAL INTERNAL MECHANICS of Solaren's technology in which PG&E played no part and could claim no credit. This "reminder" serves NO PURPOSE.

    4. Use your own common sense. How likely is it that the CPUC would refer to PG&E's customers as "EARTHLINGS" in connection with an email about a "COVER UP" of "damaging space weather" which can cause nothing but power outages?

    5. Use your own common sense. How likely is it that the CPUC would tell PG&E to have its lawyers BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS "AKA EARTHLINGS" FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF "DAMAGING SPACE WEATHER", WHICH IS ONLY POWER OUTAGES CAUSED BY RADIATION FROM SOLAR FLARES WHICH CANNOT POSSIBLY BE BLAMED ON PG&E CUSTOMERS. This mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

    THE REASONS WHY WE KNOW THE UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, EMAILS ARE FORGERIES:

    1. The sentence, "You as a California resident have every right to know what your "public utilities" are doing with their (sic) "RATE DOLLARS", was not written by an expert, as Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims. Unknown to Deborah Tavares, no "rate dollars" from any PG&E customer has or will ever be used to finance the research and development of Solaren's technology (which will be financed, owned and operated solely by Solaren). Under the contract, PG&E would merely be a future customer of Solaren and buy finished electricity from Solaren if Solaren is ever successful in generating electricity using this technology. Again, no PG&E customer money will ever be used to develop Solaren's technology. But, Deborah Tavares did not know this when writing this FORGERY. That mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

    2. The term, "EARTH, INC." in "comment ONE:" a "signature" term ACTUALLY CREATED, COINED and REPEATEDLY USED BY Deborah Tavares. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...iz.42h9ExblMs8

    3. The phrase, "very disturbing" in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares phrase. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...71.ld2pLLtGq-c

    4. The term, "FOIA", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares term. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...71.MsKCoGqM1QE

    5. The term, "iceberg", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares term. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...71.brv_lDgjd1o

    6. The term, "footprints", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares term. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...71.6jJyS4QOIyw

    7. The term, "assessment", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares term. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...iz.VQSLXAWgla8

    8. BOTH "comment ONE:" and "comment TWO:" contain hyphenated terms (" - "), a writing custom rare in today's world, suggesting that BOTH comment ONE and comment TWO were written by the same person, which of course, they were.

    PG&E may actually be using laser or radio frequencies beamed from satellites in space to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THESE PARTICULAR FORGED EMAILS THEMSELVES (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provide no support for that proposition, because they are FORGERIES!
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    Snoop: After looking into your summary of the PG&E Fake Email Hoax the following is my summary and opinion:



    @9:44 Taveres says she was aware of a [65,000] email dump and that she was combing through them with “colleagues” from the EMF Safety Network group http://emfsafetynetwork.org/welcome/

    This email dump was reported in the following 2015 article. They revealed an intimacy between PG&E and CPUC [circa 2011] that was unethical:

    Quote https://consumercal.org/cpuc-boss-eq...mass-murderer/
    EXCERPT: This is one tidbit gleaned from classic “data dump” – some 65,000 emails, released late on a Friday afternoon in hopes that they would fade into the din of Super Bowl weekend –that is producing a steady drumbeat documenting the cynicism of regulators at the CPUC, and the watchdog agency’s outright collusion with Pacific Gas & Electric.

    The email trail was released in response to a lawsuit filed by the city of San Bruno. At a time when protecting public safety was an urgent need, the communications show that much of the regulators’ and utility’s attention was instead fixated on muzzling its critics, in particular, Mark Toney.

    https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc...el-peevey.html
    15 DECEMBER 2014

    Paul Clanon, the California Public Utilities Commission's executive director, will step down "in the near future," after 30 years with the recently troubled agency, the last seven as its head operational executive.
    The commission regulates privately owned electric, natural gas, telecommunications, water, railroad and transit companies.

    The imminent departure means that Clanon and longtime commission President Michael Peevey, who's leaving this month in the midst of a huge scandal over alleged "judge-shopping," influence peddling and too-cozy relations between the CPUC and Pacific Gas & Electric — will both be gone at about the same time.
    Terrie Prosper, a CPUC spokeswoman, confirmed Monday afternoon that Clanon "will be retiring ... in the near future," but that an exact date has not been set.

    CPUC officials have downplayed any connection to recent controversies, although it's clear that the agency is going through one of the roughest patches, if not the roughest, in its history.

    Federal and state investigations of back-channel email communications between Peevey, other CPUC officials and senior executives at PG&E continue.

    Clanon is 55.
    Gov. Jerry Brown is expected to appoint a replacement for Peevey in coming weeks.
    The following news article link talks about some of the emails, specifically between former CPUC Executive Director, Paul Clanon, and former PG&E Executive, Brian Cherry – the 2 individuals in the emails provided by Taveres.

    @2:55 in the video an email is shown, (relating to San Bruno explosion) and the format is exactly the same as in Taveres’ emails.

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...309634001.html

    One could begin to assume from this that Taveres’ emails are legitimate because they have come from the data dump. Taveres also claimed to work with the EMP Safety Network Group, implying credibility. My first thought was that if Tavares had fraudulently created the emails, using the same format as the public data dump emails, then the EMP Safety Network Group wouldn’t be very happy about being linked to the fraud.

    On further investigation however, the EMP Safety Network Group is just a blog! One that I cannot find an author’s name for, (just a photo), and it has the same information on it that Tavares promotes. So we can’t contact this “group” to vet whether Taveres’ email was amongst the legitimate email dump.
    Red Flags starting to wave!

    Here is a link, from the EMP Safety Network Group, (aka Taveres and Co), which shows the first email, from Paul Clanon, that links to a Bay Citizen article by journalist John Upton who is basically asking the common question posed to energy companies re “infrastructure safety from future solar flares”.

    http://emfsafetynetwork.org/wp-conte...Sebastopol.pdf

    CLANON'S EMAIL:Brian, I assume you're assembling a high-level task force of washed-up and never-were, yet somehow movie-star-handsome, former astronauts to handle PG&E's response to the upcoming "damaging space weather"? Also, please dribble out one at a time over the next few months all internal memos, lawsuits, PowerPoint presentations, and officer-coverup directives in which PG&E is repeatedly warned about damaging space weather and chooses to do nothing, then has its lawyers blame its customers, aka "earthlings", for any adverse consequences resulting. Thank you.

    Bay Citizen - PG&E Warned to Prepare for Solar Storms By John Upton, August 19


    I am inclined to deduce that the first sentence in this email is legitimate when reading it in context to John Upton’s article (quoted in the link) about solar flares aka “space weather”. After reading some of Clanon’s other emails online it fits with his humour and matches reporter’s comments about Clanon’s somewhat crass writing style.

    The second sentence is the fraudulent addition. It is an attempt to insert Tavares talking points and is emotive e.g. “chooses to do nothing”. Clanon and Cherry were intimately friendly, hence the scandal. It is highly unlikely, if not somewhat ludicrous, to expect Clanon would speak like this to Cherry, let alone implicate himself over these statements, “officer-coverup directives” and “then has its lawyers blame its customers”.

    So the first email provides a “half legitimate” lead-in email for Taveres and Co to use for the next email, supposedly from PG&E former Senior Executive, Brian Cherry replying to the first email.

    Quote Brian Cherry was removed from PG&E in 2014 over the email dump. Tavares conveniently released her “Brian Cherry email” years later.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/11/...severance-pay/
    THE BRIAN CHERRY EMAIL: “Just a reminder, we are the first to propose a solar generator in space that will beam RF waves down to a receptor site and convert it to DC current. We have changed our receptor site from the Mojave desert to Sebastopol.”

    Snoop has provided verification, which is also all over the internet in multiple news outlets, that PG&E would NOT be a receptor site; Solaren would have been!

    It is also embarrassingly laughable to claim that Brian Cherry would need to “remind” Paul Clanon about PG&E’s space-based solar energy project. Humanity has been interested in mining the biggest resource in our purview, the sun, for a very long time. It’s common news in their circles.

    Snoop’s link to John C. Mankins Paper does a comprehensive cover and summary on the topic of harnessing space energy.
    https://space.nss.org/media/NSS-JOUR...olar-Power.pdf

    The “reminder” sentence was instrumental in switching the topic from solar flares, (in the first email), to space solar power, so that the next fraudulent sentence could be inserted to imply Traveres was being targeted.

    The third email doesn’t even rate a mention, in my book. It could well be an email sent by Clanon on another topic with the date changed to make it look like a collaborative response to the fake emails. Or if that one is legitimate and is in relation to “space weather” it would make sense that Clanon was referring to “the good old days” before technology when solar flares, aka space weather, wasn’t a problem. At any rate it is so ambiguous it’s useless and a really bad stretch from Taveres.

    I listened to the timestamps on Taveres video links in Snoop’s post and am aghast at her ridiculous claims that these three emails warrant as evidence that there is a malicious attempt to usurp the use of potential space energy technology to kill off humanity. And then to claim that her group has been specifically targeted. As if investors and scientists are going to reroute multi-billion dollar potential energy projects just to shut Taveres up. Yep, I can see them making her a priority on their meeting agendas.

    In my opinion anybody investigating energy directed space weapons needs to dump Tavares and Co, explain why they need to be blacklisted as being a source of unreliable, fraudulent information, and then start looking elsewhere. Hooking up with Tavares and Co is going to end really badly . . . further down the track. Especially if Taveres and Co are COINTELPRO deliberately throwing out red herrings to seduce people into buying their narrative, which they can then destroy/discredit whenever they want to.

    We can always hope for the lesser of the two evils - that they’re just fanatical con artists making a buck out of sensationalism, (please don't buy their merchandise).


    REMINDER:
    This post is NOT about any unethical activities between PG&E and CPUC. You can read all about that scandal in mainstream news; which is where Taveres data mines and then exploits so she can spin her own narrative for her own self-serving agenda by faking emails and expecting us to believe they came from the 65,000 email data dump.

    This post is about a deliberate liar and fraud who is not doing a good service to genuine researchers and investigators, let alone the public.

    The topic of harnessing solar space energy is a topic at the forefront of our era so it is fraught with controversy and needs to be discussed and debated. Shutting out the noise from fraudulent voices on this matter will serve us well.
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    Quote Posted by Gemma13 (here)
    Snoop: After looking into your summary of the PG&E Fake Email Hoax the following is my summary and opinion:



    @9:44 Taveres says she was aware of a [65,000] email dump and that she was combing through them with “colleagues” from the EMF Safety Network group http://emfsafetynetwork.org/welcome/

    This email dump was reported in the following 2015 article. They revealed an intimacy between PG&E and CPUC [circa 2011] that was unethical:

    Quote https://consumercal.org/cpuc-boss-eq...mass-murderer/
    EXCERPT: This is one tidbit gleaned from classic “data dump” – some 65,000 emails, released late on a Friday afternoon in hopes that they would fade into the din of Super Bowl weekend –that is producing a steady drumbeat documenting the cynicism of regulators at the CPUC, and the watchdog agency’s outright collusion with Pacific Gas & Electric.

    The email trail was released in response to a lawsuit filed by the city of San Bruno. At a time when protecting public safety was an urgent need, the communications show
    that much of the regulators’ and utility’s attention was instead fixated on muzzling its critics, in particular, Mark Toney.

    https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc...el-peevey.html
    15 DECEMBER 2014

    Paul Clanon, the California Public Utilities Commission's executive director, will step down "in the near future," after 30 years with the recently troubled agency, the last seven as its head operational executive.
    The commission regulates privately owned electric, natural gas, telecommunications, water, railroad and transit companies.

    The imminent departure means that Clanon and longtime commission President Michael Peevey, who's leaving this month in the midst of a huge scandal over alleged "judge-shopping," influence peddling and too-cozy relations between the CPUC and Pacific Gas & Electric — will both be gone at about the same time.
    Terrie Prosper, a CPUC spokeswoman, confirmed Monday afternoon that Clanon "will be retiring ... in the near future," but that an exact date has not been set.

    CPUC officials have downplayed any connection to recent controversies, although it's clear that the agency is going through one of the roughest patches, if not the roughest, in its history.

    Federal and state investigations of back-channel email communications between Peevey, other CPUC officials and senior executives at PG&E continue.

    Clanon is 55.
    Gov. Jerry Brown is expected to appoint a replacement for Peevey in coming weeks.
    The following news article link talks about some of the emails, specifically between former CPUC Executive Director, Paul Clanon, and former PG&E Executive, Brian Cherry – the 2 individuals in the emails provided by Taveres.

    @2:55 in the video an email is shown, (relating to San Bruno explosion) and the format is exactly the same as in Taveres’ emails.

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...309634001.html

    One could begin to assume from this that Taveres’ emails are legitimate because they have come from the data dump. Taveres also claimed to work with the EMP Safety Network Group, implying credibility. My first thought was that if Tavares had fraudulently created the emails, using the same format as the public data dump emails, then the EMP Safety Network Group wouldn’t be very happy about being linked to the fraud.

    On further investigation however, the EMP Safety Network Group is just a blog! One that I cannot find an author’s name for, (just a photo), and it has the same information on it that Tavares promotes. So we can’t contact this “group” to vet whether Taveres’ email was amongst the legitimate email dump.
    Red Flags starting to wave!

    Here is a link, from the EMP Safety Network Group, (aka Taveres and Co), which shows the first email, from Paul Clanon, that links to a Bay Citizen article by journalist John Upton who is basically asking the common question posed to energy companies re “infrastructure safety from future solar flares”.

    http://emfsafetynetwork.org/wp-conte...Sebastopol.pdf

    CLANON'S EMAIL:Brian, I assume you're assembling a high-level task force of washed-up and never-were, yet somehow movie-star-handsome, former astronauts to handle PG&E's response to the upcoming "damaging space weather"? Also, please dribble out one at a time over the next few months all internal memos, lawsuits, PowerPoint presentations, and officer-coverup directives in which PG&E is repeatedly warned about damaging space weather and chooses to do nothing, then has its lawyers blame its customers, aka "earthlings", for any adverse consequences resulting. Thank you.

    Bay Citizen - PG&E Warned to Prepare for Solar Storms By John Upton, August 19


    I am inclined to deduce that the first sentence in this email is legitimate when reading it in context to John Upton’s article (quoted in the link) about solar flares aka “space weather”. After reading some of Clanon’s other emails online it fits with his humour and matches reporter’s comments about Clanon’s somewhat crass writing style.

    The second sentence is the fraudulent addition. It is an attempt to insert Tavares talking points and is emotive e.g. “chooses to do nothing”. Clanon and Cherry were intimately friendly, hence the scandal. It is highly unlikely, if not somewhat ludicrous, to expect Clanon would speak like this to Cherry, let alone implicate himself over these statements, “officer-coverup directives” and “then has its lawyers blame its customers”.

    So the first email provides a “half legitimate” lead-in email for Taveres and Co to use for the next email, supposedly from PG&E former Senior Executive, Brian Cherry replying to the first email.

    Quote Brian Cherry was removed from PG&E in 2014 over the email dump. Tavares conveniently released her “Brian Cherry email” years later.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/11/...severance-pay/
    THE BRIAN CHERRY EMAIL: “Just a reminder, we are the first to propose a solar generator in space that will beam RF waves down to a receptor site and convert it to DC current. We have changed our receptor site from the Mojave desert to Sebastopol.”

    Snoop has provided verification, which is also all over the internet in multiple news outlets, that PG&E would NOT be a receptor site; Solaren would have been!

    It is also embarrassingly laughable to claim that Brian Cherry would need to “remind” Paul Clanon about PG&E’s space-based solar energy project. Humanity has been interested in mining the biggest resource in our purview, the sun, for a very long time. It’s common news in their circles.

    Snoop’s link to John C. Mankins Paper does a comprehensive cover and summary on the topic of harnessing space energy.
    https://space.nss.org/media/NSS-JOUR...olar-Power.pdf

    The “reminder” sentence was instrumental in switching the topic from solar flares, (in the first email), to space solar power, so that the next fraudulent sentence could be inserted to imply Traveres was being targeted.

    The third email doesn’t even rate a mention, in my book. It could well be an email sent by Clanon on another topic with the date changed to make it look like a collaborative response to the fake emails. Or if that one is legitimate and is in relation to “space weather” it would make sense that Clanon was referring to “the good old days” before technology when solar flares, aka space weather, wasn’t a problem. At any rate it is so ambiguous it’s useless and a really bad stretch from Taveres.

    I listened to the timestamps on Taveres video links in Snoop’s post and am aghast at her ridiculous claims that these three emails warrant as evidence that there is a malicious attempt to usurp the use of potential space energy technology to kill off humanity. And then to claim that her group has been specifically targeted. As if investors and scientists are going to reroute multi-billion dollar potential energy projects just to shut Taveres up. Yep, I can see them making her a priority on their meeting agendas.

    In my opinion anybody investigating energy directed space weapons needs to dump Tavares and Co, explain why they need to be blacklisted as being a source of unreliable, fraudulent information, and then start looking elsewhere. Hooking up with Tavares and Co is going to end really badly . . . further down the track. Especially if Taveres and Co are COINTELPRO deliberately throwing out red herrings to seduce people into buying their narrative, which they can then destroy/discredit whenever they want to.

    We can always hope for the lesser of the two evils - that they’re just fanatical con artists making a buck out of sensationalism, (please don't buy their merchandise).


    REMINDER:
    This post is NOT about any unethical activities between PG&E and CPUC. You can read all about that scandal in mainstream news; which is where Taveres data mines and then exploits so she can spin her own narrative for her own self-serving agenda by faking emails and expecting us to believe they came from the 65,000 email data dump.

    This post is about a deliberate liar and fraud who is not doing a good service to genuine researchers and investigators, let alone the public.

    The topic of harnessing solar space energy is a topic at the forefront of our era so it is fraught with controversy and needs to be discussed and debated. Shutting out the noise from fraudulent voices on this matter will serve us well.
    Gemma13,

    Whew! I am going to have to be on my "A game" when it comes to revealing hoaxes to you! LOL!!!

    What about the "PATTERNS" of the words and phrases used by Tavares in these FAKE emails and outside these FAKE emails?

    And, "PATTERNS" never lie.

    All The Best,

    Snoop

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    Greetings All,

    As a longtime Deborah Tavares listener, i cannot express what a relief it’s been for me to discover this thread. Perhaps I will go into detail regarding my personal experience after having been drawn into her world on YouTube. For now, suffice to say that snoop has verified everything that I have come to feel and suspect about her in a subjective way, and I now understand I’m not alone or crazy.

    Thank you snoop!

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    Greetings All,

    As a longtime Deborah Tavares listener, i cannot express what a relief it’s been for me to discover this thread. Perhaps I will go into detail regarding my personal experience after having been drawn into her world on YouTube. For now, suffice to say that snoop has verified everything that I have come to feel and suspect about her in a subjective way, and I now understand I’m not alone or crazy.

    Thank you snoop!
    I hope you do share your experience with us, xylo. Welcome to the forum!!

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    Greetings All,

    As a longtime Deborah Tavares listener, i cannot express what a relief it’s been for me to discover this thread. Perhaps I will go into detail regarding my personal experience after having been drawn into her world on YouTube. For now, suffice to say that snoop has verified everything that I have come to feel and suspect about her in a subjective way, and I now understand I’m not alone or crazy.

    Thank you snoop!
    Hello xylo,

    Thank you for your kind words.

    I share the sentiments of Peterpam.

    Please share with us your personal experience after having been drawn into the world of Deborah Tavares.

    And, no. You are not alone or crazy.

    Deborah Tavares' victims all over the world are waking up to the truth about her and her hoaxes.

    Thank you for your courage to speak up.

    All The Best,

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    Greetings all,

    Since a few have asked, I will convey in subjective terms my experience as a Deborah Tavares listener. As I mentioned, i discovered this thread a week ago, to my great relief. I’m a long time Deborah Tavares listener, and in that time have gone from one who simply accepted her words at face value, to skeptic, to survivor of her odd brand of inducing control over the listener through repetitive and cruel brow beating and fear-mongering. I’ve never come across any presenter who exhibits such influence using (what I now consider to be) a form of perverse magnetism. By now, I had reached the same intuitive conclusions (that snoop illustrates here in concrete detail) without doing any research at all. Little things. First, I noticed that no educated, credible speakers cite any of the collection of documents Deborah uses as the foundation for her claims. Most are available to download from her website (stopthecrime.net), she constantly tells the listener to refer to these documents, and so I did. It’s immediately apparent that these documents are third party creations using official logos. “Said to have been found in a copier at a sale”, “created from information found in the web” etc is no form of authenticity. And yet her followers accept these documents as “proof” of what she alleges. To question this flimsy authentication draws ire and wrath from her loyal fanbase. Sometimes, there are no documents or resources to validate her claims. Fir example, one of her recent themes is alleging that a London based accounting firm by the name of Ernst and Young has been hired by the US government to bankrupt all cities in the USA. She says she learned of this plot by reading an article in her local newspaper and then studying the Ernst and Young website. I listened to her broadcast on this subject and then spent an hour combing through the Ernst and a Young website, and could find nothing that even hints at the possibility of what she alleges. I’ve asked her repeatedly for a link to the newspaper article, and sections of the website to verify the logic of her claims. I have never received a response. I’ve asked publicly in the comments section of the YouTube post, only to have my question deleted, or be heckled by her fans for asking.

    After months of listening to Deborah I became very unhappy, and couldn’t sleep, or Roy myself away from listening to her. Soon I realized that I was traumatized, and so I sought out more emotionally stable presenters with who cover similar themes. The more I was able to extricate myself from her grasp, the more I was able to observe her phenomenon and effect on her fanbase. I’m now of the opinion that she leverages people with fear and conjecture, not solid documentation, and her motivation is purely to gain a weird sort of control over people and to build celebrity status. Anyone who has studied or experienced the devastating effects of being involved with a narcissist knows how dangerous they can be, and Deborah seems to have achieved that relationship with thousands of people through social media. Her fans are intensely protective of her. They project their own honorable personality traits on to her, even though she exhibits none of those characteristics. It’s astonishing to witness the state of delusion she’s able to put people into.

    I’ve read comments in this thread where people ask Snoop what motivates such passion in exposing this hoaxter, in shedding light on the DT phenomenon. I understand why Snoop invests the amount of intense energy that they do. Once one has been pulled into her horrifying world, and then wakes up and breaks the spell, they are left in an alarmed state and with a desire to alert and help others who are still caught in her addictive fear-based grasp. It’s hard to fully explain, because at face value Deborah might seem like just another over-the too attention seeker, but I think there is something dark and dangerous about her. Especially to new truthers who naturally gravitate toward presenters who pose as knowledgeable leaders. The comments section of Deborah’s YouTube posts inevitably become peppered with people expressing hate and a call to murder (always the Rothschilds, occasionally the Rockefellers). Yes I agree that what Deborah speaks out against poses a great threat to society should the alleged/stated agendas come to pass (depopulation at the hands of the elite). However with all the challenges we face at this time, we, all of us, need to have our wits about us. However, being suspended in fear, being reduced to a raging murderous mob is not the answer. In fact I believe once we sink to that level, we’ve already lost. Since Deborah insists the buck starts and stops with the Rothschilds, anti-semitism is usually sprinkled within the comments to her postings. She never steps in to take responsibility to clarify that it’s not all Jewish people, or that the Rothschilds themselves (allegedly) helped to create and fund the holocaust. She never intervenes to steer things into a more productive and healthy direction. She simply lets the hate fester among groups of people whom she has great influence over.

    Deborah’s sociopathic nature reveals itself when observing weekly posts she uploads of her guest appearances on a radio show hosted by her friend Dr. Bill Deagle. This guy shows nothing but unconditional support for Deborah, and he provides her and her listeners with a recording to post each and every week on YouTube. However, Tavares fans hate Dr. Bill because he participates, as host, during the show (his show). They rip him to shreds with cruel, below the belt, humiliating and vicious commentary simply because he participates in his own show, which is supposed to be an interview format. They insist he remain absolutely silent so she can talk on and on like an elementary school principle hammering the fear of god into some unfortunate 3rd grade student. Their demand is that he remain silent. They don’t consider that without Dr. Bill there would be no recording of Deborah for them to listen to each and every week. It’s painful to witness this week after week. And yet Deborah never ever intervenes to protect her friend and benefactor. Apparently, she has what she wants (a recording to post each and every week) and once she has that uploaded she simply tosses him to the wolves on her Ken channel. To me this serves as insight. A window through which to view who this person really is. She exhibits no honor, she is cruel, self-absorbed, and shallow. She’s appears to be a sociopath, a true narcissist and a user with no conscience. For many weeks now I’ve been the one stepping in to defend Dr. Bill with the simple and obvious: a) it’s his show, he’s the host. b) without Dr. Bill, they would have no recording of their hero to listen to each week. c) instead of destroying him, they should petition her to do as most other presenters do, sit in front of the computer and push the record button. Needless to say my words have no effect on this mob. It’s insane. She can’t lower herself to create her own recordings and have one of her research staff trim the sound file to upload. She seems to be fixated on having others present her on their programs. She talks over any host or other guests, and always says at the end that there’s no time left in the show for her to reveal the rest of the urgent, life and death information she has to share, so they will have to invite her back on soon so that she can finish. Of course, there’s never any end to her doomsday fear-mongering. She never offers words of encouragement. She actually has no ideas, just more doomsday carrots to dangle in front of her listeners. The amount of hate, hopelessness and fear she successfully transfers to anyone who takes her seriously is evident in the comments her listeners leave. And oddly enough, this phenomenon becomes addictive. I became addicted until one day my highly empathic daughter shook me out of the stupor. Even though I never ever mentioned the subjects DT uses to cast her spells, and my daughter had no idea about agenda 21, etc, she could sense that something wasn’t right and she could feel the devastation and fear that was brewing behind my smile and uplifted state that naturally takes over when I’m in her presence.

    As I sought out presenters who do not exhibit personality disorders, my learning continued, now on a healthy path. Same subject material. My fear transformed into resolve and a feeling of empowerment. And this is where the story takes an odd twist. One of these new presenters is a friend of Deborah’s, and they will promote her from time to time. This person is the most thorough and thoughtful researcher I’m aware of. They take the listener/viewer through each step of their research with 100% solid, real documentation and study of history so that their logic is fully understood. They never leverage the listener with fear. If they postulate with conjecture, they let it be known. And so finally, I asked this researcher why and how could they possibly endorse Deborah and her Machiavellian methods. This person became angry that I would even ask, or question her integrity. They could not and would not connect the dots for me. This is a person who publicly warns against being leveraged by fear mongers, and who constantly reminds the listener to follow the trail until it ends in order to understand the complete hierarchy of power that controls this world. They could not be any more different than Deborah Tavares, and yet when asked about the obvious contradiction between themself and Deborah, their transparency and logical thought shuts down, they become angry and essentially end the discussion by saying she’s for real, no bs about her and anyone who questions her methods is out of line simply for holding her up to scrutiny.

    Deborah frequently says “did you know that?? Well now you do, because I told you.” For most of her listeners, that seems to be enough. If Deborah Tavares says it, it’s carved in the same stone Moses brought back from the mountain top. I see listeners commenting that she’s essentially a prophet. “She just knows, and she’s always right.” A few of the comments I frequently see are (paraphrased) “oh Deborah, you are so spiritually deep.” “God please protect Deborah Tavares, she has saved us”. Even when I was “under the spell”, and before I began to question her methods, those sentiments stuck in my side like thorns. Deborah may exhibit many things, but spirit, godliness or reverence are absolutely not on the list. To my way of thinking, she’s devoid of spirituality and in some ways satanic. Ego, fear, hate, cruelty and presenting herself as all-knowing. The logo of her website uses Masonic/Satanic colors, black, red and white. Most may think making that association is going pretty far out on a limb, and maybe it is. I don’t spend much time thinking about that. However, my aquaintance the great researcher and presenter often points out that occult secret societies code each other (and fool the public) by using the same colors and patterns, paraphrased, they say “now why would xxx choose he same colors as yyy? Don’t be fooled, it’s because they’re all part of the same club.” When I pointed out the obvious color coding of Deborah’s “stopthecrime” website, the good researcher who’s also Deborahs friend, for the first time ever (in my experience) responded with.....nothing. “Don’t go there. It’s a meaningless coincidence.” Maybe it is, however this person emphasizes color matching frequently. Odd! Yes everywhere else, but Deborah is above scrutiny, so DON’T ASK!

    So that’s my story. I’m not a master of truther knowledge, I’m a 64 year old student of the truther movement. For 8 years I’ve been following the path. Sometimes it’s scary, sometimes not, but it’s always fascinating. In all of this time, the only harrowing experience I’ve had is being drawn into the devastating, demented world of Deborah Tavares. That’s my subjective assessment. Discovering this thread has helped me extricate myself from that strange, perverse, addictive world, and like Snoop, I now feel a sense of obligation to help others whom I see caught in that dark web. I understand Snoop’s passion. As a survivor who has experienced the darkness, it becomes a mission to shine a light. Living in a general state of paralyzing fear, living in a vulnerable state and at the hand of a cruel narcissist is hell. It’s no joke. Ultimately my goal is to have her out of my mind, but I did let her in and getting her out is a process.
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    Quote Posted by xylo (here)
    Greetings all,

    Since a few have asked, I will convey in subjective terms my experience as a Deborah Tavares listener. As I mentioned, i discovered this thread a week ago, to my great relief. I’m a long time Deborah Tavares listener, and in that time have gone from one who simply accepted her words at face value, to skeptic, to survivor of her odd brand of inducing control over the listener through repetitive and cruel brow beating and fear-mongering. I’ve never come across any presenter who exhibits such influence using (what I now consider to be) a form of perverse magnetism. By now, I had reached the same intuitive conclusions (that snoop illustrates here in concrete detail) without doing any research at all. Little things. First, I noticed that no educated, credible speakers cite any of the collection of documents Deborah uses as the foundation for her claims. Most are available to download from her website (stopthecrime.net), she constantly tells the listener to refer to these documents, and so I did. It’s immediately apparent that these documents are third party creations using official logos. “Said to have been found in a copier at a sale”, “created from information found in the web” etc is no form of authenticity. And yet her followers accept these documents as “proof” of what she alleges. To question this flimsy authentication draws ire and wrath from her loyal fanbase. Sometimes, there are no documents or resources to validate her claims. Fir example, one of her recent themes is alleging that a London based accounting firm by the name of Ernst and Young has been hired by the US government to bankrupt all cities in the USA. She says she learned of this plot by reading an article in her local newspaper and then studying the Ernst and Young website. I listened to her broadcast on this subject and then spent an hour combing through the Ernst and a Young website, and could find nothing that even hints at the possibility of what she alleges. I’ve asked her repeatedly for a link to the newspaper article, and sections of the website to verify the logic of her claims. I have never received a response. I’ve asked publicly in the comments section of the YouTube post, only to have my question deleted, or be heckled by her fans for asking.

    After months of listening to Deborah I became very unhappy, and couldn’t sleep, or Roy myself away from listening to her. Soon I realized that I was traumatized, and so I sought out more emotionally stable presenters with who cover similar themes. The more I was able to extricate myself from her grasp, the more I was able to observe her phenomenon and effect on her fanbase. I’m now of the opinion that she leverages people with fear and conjecture, not solid documentation, and her motivation is purely to gain a weird sort of control over people and to build celebrity status. Anyone who has studied or experienced the devastating effects of being involved with a narcissist knows how dangerous they can be, and Deborah seems to have achieved that relationship with thousands of people through social media. Her fans are intensely protective of her. They project their own honorable personality traits on to her, even though she exhibits none of those characteristics. It’s astonishing to witness the state of delusion she’s able to put people into.

    I’ve read comments in this thread where people ask Snoop what motivates such passion in exposing this hoaxter, in shedding light on the DT phenomenon. I understand why Snoop invests the amount of intense energy that they do. Once one has been pulled into her horrifying world, and then wakes up and breaks the spell, they are left in an alarmed state and with a desire to alert and help others who are still caught in her addictive fear-based grasp. It’s hard to fully explain, because at face value Deborah might seem like just another over-the too attention seeker, but I think there is something dark and dangerous about her. Especially to new truthers who naturally gravitate toward presenters who pose as knowledgeable leaders. The comments section of Deborah’s YouTube posts inevitably become peppered with people expressing hate and a call to murder (always the Rothschilds, occasionally the Rockefellers). Yes I agree that what Deborah speaks out against poses a great threat to society should the alleged/stated agendas come to pass (depopulation at the hands of the elite). However with all the challenges we face at this time, we, all of us, need to have our wits about us. However, being suspended in fear, being reduced to a raging murderous mob is not the answer. In fact I believe once we sink to that level, we’ve already lost. Since Deborah insists the buck starts and stops with the Rothschilds, anti-semitism is usually sprinkled within the comments to her postings. She never steps in to take responsibility to clarify that it’s not all Jewish people, or that the Rothschilds themselves (allegedly) helped to create and fund the holocaust. She never intervenes to steer things into a more productive and healthy direction. She simply lets the hate fester among groups of people whom she has great influence over.

    Deborah’s sociopathic nature reveals itself when observing weekly posts she uploads of her guest appearances on a radio show hosted by her friend Dr. Bill Deagle. This guy shows nothing but unconditional support for Deborah, and he provides her and her listeners with a recording to post each and every week on YouTube. However, Tavares fans hate Dr. Bill because he participates, as host, during the show (his show). They rip him to shreds with cruel, below the belt, humiliating and vicious commentary simply because he participates in his own show, which is supposed to be an interview format. They insist he remain absolutely silent so she can talk on and on like an elementary school principle hammering the fear of god into some unfortunate 3rd grade student. Their demand is that he remain silent. They don’t consider that without Dr. Bill there would be no recording of Deborah for them to listen to each and every week. It’s painful to witness this week after week. And yet Deborah never ever intervenes to protect her friend and benefactor. Apparently, she has what she wants (a recording to post each and every week) and once she has that uploaded she simply tosses him to the wolves on her Ken channel. To me this serves as insight. A window through which to view who this person really is. She exhibits no honor, she is cruel, self-absorbed, and shallow. She’s appears to be a sociopath, a true narcissist and a user with no conscience. For many weeks now I’ve been the one stepping in to defend Dr. Bill with the simple and obvious: a) it’s his show, he’s the host. b) without Dr. Bill, they would have no recording of their hero to listen to each week. c) instead of destroying him, they should petition her to do as most other presenters do, sit in front of the computer and push the record button. Needless to say my words have no effect on this mob. It’s insane. She can’t lower herself to create her own recordings and have one of her research staff trim the sound file to upload. She seems to be fixated on having others present her on their programs. She talks over any host or other guests, and always says at the end that there’s no time left in the show for her to reveal the rest of the urgent, life and death information she has to share, so they will have to invite her back on soon so that she can finish. Of course, there’s never any end to her doomsday fear-mongering. She never offers words of encouragement. She actually has no ideas, just more doomsday carrots to dangle in front of her listeners. The amount of hate, hopelessness and fear she successfully transfers to anyone who takes her seriously is evident in the comments her listeners leave. And oddly enough, this phenomenon becomes addictive. I became addicted until one day my highly empathic daughter shook me out of the stupor. Even though I never ever mentioned the subjects DT uses to cast her spells, and my daughter had no idea about agenda 21, etc, she could sense that something wasn’t right and she could feel the devastation and fear that was brewing behind my smile and uplifted state that naturally takes over when I’m in her presence.

    As I sought out presenters who do not exhibit personality disorders, my learning continued, now on a healthy path. Same subject material. My fear transformed into resolve and a feeling of empowerment. And this is where the story takes an odd twist. One of these new presenters is a friend of Deborah’s, and they will promote her from time to time. This person is the most thorough and thoughtful researcher I’m aware of. They take the listener/viewer through each step of their research with 100% solid, real documentation and study of history so that their logic is fully understood. They never leverage the listener with fear. If they postulate with conjecture, they let it be known. And so finally, I asked this researcher why and how could they possibly endorse Deborah and her Machiavellian methods. This person became angry that I would even ask, or question her integrity. They could not and would not connect the dots for me. This is a person who publicly warns against being leveraged by fear mongers, and who constantly reminds the listener to follow the trail until it ends in order to understand the complete hierarchy of power that controls this world. They could not be any more different than Deborah Tavares, and yet when asked about the obvious contradiction between themself and Deborah, their transparency and logical thought shuts down, they become angry and essentially end the discussion by saying she’s for real, no bs about her and anyone who questions her methods is out of line simply for holding her up to scrutiny.

    Deborah frequently says “did you know that?? Well now you do, because I told you.” For most of her listeners, that seems to be enough. If Deborah Tavares says it, it’s carved in the same stone Moses brought back from the mountain top. I see listeners commenting that she’s essentially a prophet. “She just knows, and she’s always right.” A few of the comments I frequently see are (paraphrased) “oh Deborah, you are so spiritually deep.” “God please protect Deborah Tavares, she has saved us”. Even when I was “under the spell”, and before I began to question her methods, those sentiments stuck in my side like thorns. Deborah may exhibit many things, but spirit, godliness or reverence are absolutely not on the list. To my way of thinking, she’s devoid of spirituality and in some ways satanic. Ego, fear, hate, cruelty and presenting herself as all-knowing. The logo of her website uses Masonic/Satanic colors, black, red and white. Most may think making that association is going pretty far out on a limb, and maybe it is. I don’t spend much thinking about that. However, my friend the great researcher and presenter often points out that occult secret societies code each other (and fool the public) by using the same colors and patterns, paraphrased, they say “now why would xxx choose he same colors as yyy? Don’t be fooled, it’s because they’re all part of the same club.” When I pointed out the obvious color coding of Deborah’s “stopthecrime” website, my friend the good researcher who’s also Deborahs friend, for the first time ever (in my experience) responded with.....nothing. “Don’t go there. It’s a meaningless coincidence.” Maybe it is, however this person emphasizes color matching frequently. Odd! Yes everywhere else, but Deborah is above scrutiny, so DON’T ASK!

    So that’s my story. I’m not a master of truther knowledge, I’m a 64 year old student of the truther movement. For 8 years I’ve been following the path. Sometimes it’s scary, sometimes not, but it’s always fascinating. In all of this time, the only harrowing experience I’ve had is being drawn into the devastating, demented world of Deborah Tavares. That’s my subjective assessment. Discovering this thread has helped me extricate myself from that strange, perverse, addictive world, and like Snoop, I now feel a sense of obligation to help others whom I see caught in that dark web. I understand Snoop’s passion. As a survivor who has experienced the darkness, it becomes a mission to shine a light. Living in a general state of paralyzing fear, living in a vulnerable state and at the hand of a cruel narcissist is hell. It’s no joke. Ultimately my goal is to have her out of my mind, but I did let her in and getting her out is a process.
    Dear xylo,

    Thank you for sharing your story.

    You are not alone.

    You and Peterpam have used different words to describe it, but you both say the same thing.

    Discovering the truth about Deborah Tavares results in a self awakening that reveals to us who we really are, what our vulnerabilities are and what our weaknesses are.

    Ultimately, that self awakening teaches us two things. First, we can never turn off our critical thinking skills even when evaluating matters that are consistent with our own belief systems and second, we should not make ourselves completely dependent on another person to do our thinking for us.

    Simplified, we must think for ourselves as to all things at all times.

    Let us hope that the rest of the public wakes us to Deborah Tavares before she has us all killing each other and burning down our own country in a civil war caused by her lies.

    Best Regards,

    Snoop
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    I’m sorry to see divisiveness within this thread. Perhaps it’s more useful to focus on the simple and obvious in order to evaluate Deborah Tavares’s motive. Whether it’s simply attention seeking or something far more sinister (decide for yourself) it’s about control. Anyone who has spent even a small amount of time listening to Deborah Tavares understands that she uses fear as a primary method for drawing the listener into her world. Here’s a good quote from someone who knows the drill:

    “People are being controlled mentally through fear, and they use fear to fragment our consciousness, and get us emotional, so that we will accept their tyrannical schemes. This is a fight between the forces of darkness and the forces of light.” - Cody Snodgres, former US black ops/CIA, turned whistleblower. https://youtu.be/2iC5h8wDBDM
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