You know, everything that we hear or even see has to be taken with a grain of salt. Being suspicious is the right way of thinking in view of the crap going on around.Posted by Mike (here)
Posted by petra (here)
That sounds so sneaky and tricky, I'm sorry. This is how it looks through cynical eyes:Posted by Mike (here)
- you die, you see a light, you go thru the light (...and no, you don't merge with the oneness here), you meet family and friends that have passed, hang out, re-acclimate to the surroundings etc..
- you watch your previous life and feel all the feelings you caused others to feel, both good and bad. the guides and wise elders that watch along with you don't judge you...you judge yourself.
- when the time is ripe for a return, you begin to plan it out with the help of your guides and elders. they make suggestions, but you do not have to agree to them. it's all entirely up to you.
- you decide upon various lessons you need to learn (or perhaps 'remember' is the correct word to use here) all based on your actions(i.e.karma) of your previous life
- these lessons often involve great challenges, which are designed into the plan
- You get tricked into going into the light by things that look like your relatives but are (obviously) not...
- You judge yourself based off propaganda, and feelings that may or may not be real...
- You create up your own lesson plan based off the propaganda, without having any experience whatsoever in creating lesson plans
- End result? Lessons learned, but not the lessons you intended....
- Lather, rinse, repeat.
EDIT: I think my cynicism is a lot to do with not wanting to be God or play God. I'd really rather hire a professional to do my lesson plan for me. If God's not available, I'd let Jesus do it I suppose :/
Hi Petra, there are quite a few people who feel the same as you. Cynicism, especially in the alternative community, is something I *do* understand!
I consider the possibility of the scenario you described once in a while. But I have no real reason to believe it's true. I haven't read that book where hundreds of people are hypnotically regressed and they all report being lied to, or taken advantage of, or manipulated etc. I just keep seeing books that report countless positive and loving experiences. I'm just following the trail of evidence that's been laid out before me.
I recall John Lear talking about structures on the moon hijacking and recycling souls and so forth. I can't think of anyone else off hand. And in our community, all it takes is one guy to say something like that...and a large group of people will embrace it immediately and completely disregard all the evidence to the contrary(I'm not suggesting you are one of these people).
Oh, and I totally get what you mean about not wanting to play God....i have that same sort of feeling sometimes.
I think the only way to progress in these realms is through experiential happenings. We have to live the experiences, those are the only more or less sure things (at least, it is lived, but an hallucinating schizophrenic could also say the same).
To me, there is a few conditions I look at with my skeptic eye. The experience has to be in the "knowing" sphere. Not coming from exalted beliefs - mystics are as much aside the point as anybody else, I think. There has to be no beliefs, just knowing, seeing, no judgment, no evaluation as it is happening - later we may evaluate, but it is absent during the experience.
Another condition is that there is no nightmares, no huge bad feelings. Discomfort may happen because these experiences are not of this realm, but nothing more.
A third condition: it has to give me, in my 3D experience, something new, or help me go forward in a positive manner. No positive change = falsity in the experience. Something positive has to have changed.
I think that our higher self, or soul, is always positive, in fact, it does not have this dichotomy of good and bad, at that level it does not exist. But at the human and the astral levels, we are in duality and the dichotomy does exist. We have to aim at higher than the astral and mental levels to get out of this dichotomy. As long as there is judgment, evaluations, something that seems destructive, the experience can be discarded or at least looked upon with lots of skepticism.
Ex: I hear something from someone, and for 3 months I have huge bouts of crying (discomfort), I do not know why. Then 3 months later I stop having those bouts and realize that I grew a lot emotionally, enough to change my behavior towards my daughter (positive results). This was a grace brought to me, not a bad thing.
Ex: I have what seems to be a descent of energy in me and I look around and see all the people's energies in terms of lights. Strong lights, weak lights, enveloped in light or just the "langues de feu - fire tongues as seen in the old paintings of Jesus disciples") .No judgment, no evaluation, no bad feeling, just a bit of discomfort because it is unusual, and positive results by becoming more apt to discern through light and beings in truth versus regular or negative beings.
Ex: I have a dream about ET, with missing time, and I see a cloning apparatus with a foot in it. Ask the woman doing the work what it is, ask her what they did of the soul and she answer "just a cloning" as if she does not understand. I shake her to have an answer and then realized she has no soul, she is a clone. This experience may have happened or not, maybe true on 3D or astral levels (4D) but it is certainly not spiritual, has nothing to do with it. It is highly uncomfortable, even bit scary, did not change anything in me but create fear (negative results), I was judging and evaluating during the experience, not a "knowing" experience. This is most probably at the astral level and can be discarded for the search of truth in spiritually advanced learnings. This will not teach me anything about higher self or life after death.
Believe it or not, I use the same criteria when under hypnosis to look at past lives, or when talking with people on daily life, or when having deemed spiritual experiences. I would apply the same for looking at pre-birth plans. And yes, I do wonder why my life was so complicated when we can also learn in joy. Why would I have chosen this life???
But I have eternity to correct those misunderstandings of mine.