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    What is this off-shore 3D seismic explosive surveying?


    There is a large risk of harm to the marine environment during the exploration phase if seismic airguns are used (Popper et al. 2005, Lucke et al. 2009, Oceana 2012).

    During exploration for oil and gas formations seismic airguns are towed with a vessel and release pulses of sounds from 225 to 250 decibels several times per minute (Richardson et al. 1995). To put that number in perspective, the noise from a jet engine is 140 decibels—seismic airguns are 100,000 times more intense than a jet engine. Airguns produce sound by creating a compressed air bubble, which collapses under the pressure of the water (Popper et al. 2005). The surveys off the US Atlantic coast will have on average about 20,000,000 such explosions during the surveys.

    The sound then reflects off geologic formations and is measured by hydrophone arrays towed behind a ship. The time it takes for sound to bounce back indicates the presence of oil and gas (Figure 2). These studies are often conducted continuously over the course of several weeks.

    Surface view - vessel, airgun and hydrophone "strings" extended for miles behind the ship




    The shock wave from those airguns, kills, explodes internal organs, creates embolisms.. Not good, not safe, not kind.

    I think this is the part of modern man that makes me the most upset. We are doing so much damage with our sound pollution in the ocean.

    Also I just read today that Japanese squid fisherman stopped the season early cause there are none.

    We have very big problems about to balloon .


    Ripple. Here is a challenge.

    Remove Communism, Socialism, Liberal etc from your vocabulary. I want you to actively avoid using these words and see if you can make your arguments still.

    I would suggest that the way you use these words is effectively meaningless. They are dog whistle and you are using them as such.

    I am sure that you are all aware of the Godwins law. Well there should be the same thing for Communism Socialism etc.

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    Default Re: What if we could shut down Big Oil and Gas worldwide?

    One of the major off-shore 3D airgun explorer firms, (CGG) just announced that they are going to start off Gabon, off Africa doing a 9,800-km (6,089-mi) long assault within the food production areas of a group of African countries.



    They intend to sell the data to the highest bidders apparently.

    PS - they say 2D, meaning they don't intend to process in three dimensions, only 2 so that they can get paid sooner. 3D takes time but the same data gathering happens, they still drag the receivers for miles behind the vessel and the airguns are still being used as before.

    They create the "tracks" where they travel over some distance, gathering data, all the while every 10-15 seconds letting a huge explosion into the water... In the processing though, they don't mathematically "interpolate" in-between the data points; they just show what is under the explosions.. (nothing in between is mathematically computed).

    This type of survey actually creates more harm than "good" for the buyers of the data, as there is no way to actually see where oil or gas would be in three dimensions..

    Seems to me that a 30 million dollar (US) exploration project puts enough cash in their pockets to alleviate the bad feelings from the harm created I guess. And they'd like to do 10 of those a year at least... Quite a profitable venture for the explorers is their bottom line..

    Quite a lot of harm for the rest of us tho, and the life in the seas, the fishermen affected and who knows, maybe even knowing where the fault lines are in good detail, it could be about actually knowing where to stimulate the fault lines to create earthquakes.

    I suppose that happening off Asia would be a great cover, eh? Or off any continent.. Know where the faults are to know how to induce earthquakes... Never thought of that until now..

    Maybe that is another reason to stop this type of off-shore exploration.. It could have a deeper weapons based intent.
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    Bumpity, Bump, Bump, Bump.

    May all our sea creatures be safe and free to roam.

    Thank you Bob for all that you do and all that you are.

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    Default Re: What if we could shut down Big Oil and Gas worldwide?

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    What is this off-shore 3D seismic explosive surveying?

    Just curious, but if we really want to stop 3D seismic explosive surveying, why stop at shutting down oil and gas worldwide, when we could put an end to all electricity use completely?

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    Default Re: What if we could shut down Big Oil and Gas worldwide?

    I think Brian that is kinda off topic. This thread is about coming up with a way to make it un-economical for big oil and gas to go paying 3D and 2D offshore seismic companies to do massively expensive off-shore surveying on the seas using airguns.

    If we show NO OIL or GAS here, no resources, why would an offshore company get in there and get data which is useless ?

    Of course the oil and gas companies could very well be spiteful of the rest of life-kind in the seas, and the livelihood of fishermen and families who fish for their livings, for feeding their families and the community.

    My feeling having experienced first hand the "monsters" of big oil and gas, the people who grew up with David and Peggy Rockefeller, there is no good in the heart, no good for society, no good for the seas and its life. They are on a death spiral to milk the resources until the world is dead, and then their ride will be over until they find something and someone else to deceive and harm for profit..

    An alternative to electricity would be good, but there is too much existing infrastructure to change and nobody could afford to change. There is enough natural gas on-the-land that can provide clean electricity while the changes happen.

    Oil and gas companies truly have NO BUSINESS mining the resources underground in the oceans. There is too much damage that happens, and the risks from spills as has been shown with the Gulf disaster of a few years back the harm. Nigeria right now and for the last 55 years !! has continued to experience spills and the damage from on-shore and off-shore oil exploration.. And nobody seems to care. In Ecuador, a major oil company committed atrocities on-land and managed by escape penalties for the damages they did..

    If the off-shore is not made uneconomical to explore, it will only get worse - starting with no food from the seas for at least 500,000 fishermen.. Then it will only snowball when food isn't available from the communities.. A global disaster, at least for those who use products from the seas to live.

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    Default Re: What if we could shut down Big Oil and Gas worldwide?

    bumping it once again...

    do read the first couple of Bob's posts to get what it is about;
    i still find the title of this thread misleading
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    Default Re: What if we could shut down Big Oil and Gas worldwide?

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    bumping it once again...

    do read the first couple of Bob's posts to get what it is about;
    i still find the title of this thread misleading
    Maybe "Big Oil oceanic surveying and marine life mass destruction"
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