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    Default Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    Mayoral task force recommends paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month
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    > https://abc7chicago.com/5127392/

    CHICAGO (WLS) --
    > Some Chicago families could start collecting a $1,000 check every month with no strings attached. That's the new proposal from a task force created by Mayor Emanuel.
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    > The idea is to break the cycle of poverty. The pilot program would give 1,000 struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month.
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    >On a day when Chicagoans want to escape the bitter cold, some cannot.
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    > Supporters say people could use the extra cash to cover unexpected emergencies, increase their savings and improve their health.
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    > The money would come from a mix of city funds and charity.
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    > For more information, visit www.economicsecurityil.org.
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    I'm going to get a postal drop box in Chicago. .. Free money.. I hope I'm one of the thousand.

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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    Well why not the state is already broke. This state is the worst state in the union and Chicago is a money pit for the state. Did you know that most of the high rise buildings do not pay property taxes Wtf. No wonder we are broke. But let's give away free money.

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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    We tried that for a year in Ontario the new conservative government cancelled the test program

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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    Look how agressive people become, when it comes to free money and Ubi discussion. They speak about macroeconomy as if they know every piece of it and with 2 or 3 informations spreaded along the internet about the failure of Ubi keeps repeating over and over in every forum and discussion.
    People fear to look a new way because are stuck in their mind between capitalism and comunism. They cant see another way out. A perfect mind control, give them 2 failed choices and force them to choose one.
    Maybe too much free money can be dangerous but combination of small amount of free money, with free resources to fulfill people needs is top priority. This is something that can be done and everyone that says contrary is way detached from poverty situation and aware or not aware, keep protecting the elite agenda, because they dont want people free of need.

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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    Quote Illinois residents pay the second-highest property taxes in the country (New Jersey has the highest), according to Attom Data Solutions, an Irvine, Calif.-based real estate data company. The average annual effective property tax on a single-family house in Illinois is 2.13 percent.Apr 5, 2018.
    Maybe part of the real issue is that they they are taxing people beyond what they can pay. Even if you are not a home owner those taxes will be reflected in the price of a rental. What do you get for that taxation that you won't get in South Carolina, for instance??? Maybe the answer is a bloated, inefficient corrupt government.

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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    @ Iceberg ...There a lot of issues with this program ...
    Who pays for this?
    How long do you stay on the program?
    Who selects who gets on the program?
    There are a lot more than 1000 people in need
    What corporation are involved?
    What banks ?
    Do you have to do something for the money.... as in work for the common good?
    What is the incentive to get out of the program?
    What is the end game ?
    What do they plan to achieve over the long haul?

    Here is the pdf on the program:

    https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/c3a82...d38a1133a4.pdf
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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    How much food, water and energy is waisted daily and without any responsability. The goverment need to build a better system for managing those resources and to distribute to those in need. It doesn't have to be free money only, because most of the poor has lower chance to manage money by themselves, so the combination of small amount with fulfilling their need with the desired resources doesn't have a higher cost, only to rethink the managing system and to intervene in food industry and water supply and to reach all those in need.

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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    There are so many other ways to tackle the problem of poverty but they require thought money and effort. Just handing out money and hoping for the best is a lazy way out for politicians. It should surprise no one that politicians want to buy a clean conscious without doing a dam thing to solve the problem.

    There is a fairly decent safety net in Finland if you are sick, disabled or out of work. Paying able-bodied people a stipend without expecting them to seek or find work eventually does more harm than good. This money speaks more to politics and society (not necessarily in a good way) than it does to the people receiving the money.

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    Finland to end basic income trial after two years

    Europe’s first national government-backed experiment in giving citizens free cash will end next year after Finland decided not to extend its widely publicised basic income trial and to explore alternative welfare schemes instead.

    Money for nothing: is Finland's universal basic income trial too good to be true?
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    Since January 2017, a random sample of 2,000 unemployed people aged 25 to 58 have been paid a monthly €560 (£475) , with no requirement to seek or accept employment. Any recipients who took a job continued to receive the same amount.

    The government has turned down a request for extra funding from Kela, the Finnish social security agency, to expand the two-year pilot to a group of employees this year, and said payments to current participants will end next January.

    It has also introduced legislation making some benefits for unemployed people contingent on taking training or working at least 18 hours in three months. “The government is making changes taking the system away from basic income,” Kela’s Miska Simanainen told the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet.

    The scheme – aimed primarily at seeing whether a guaranteed income might incentivise people to take up paid work by smoothing out gaps in the welfare system – is strictly speaking not a universal basic income (UBI) trial, because the payments are made to a restricted group and are not enough to live on.

    But it was hoped it would shed light on policy issues such as whether an unconditional payment might reduce anxiety among recipients and allow the government to simplify a complex social security system that is struggling to cope with a fast-moving and insecure labour market.

    Olli Kangas, an expert involved in the trial, told the Finnish public broadcaster YLE: “Two years is too short a period to be able to draw extensive conclusions from such a big experiment. We should have had extra time and more money to achieve reliable results.”

    The idea of UBI – appealing both to the left, which hopes it can cut poverty and inequality, and to the right, which sees it as a possible route to a leaner, less bureaucratic welfare system – has gained traction recently amid predictions that automation could threaten up to a third of current jobs.

    The Finnish finance minister, Petteri Orpo, told Hufvudstadsbladet he was looking into trialling alternative welfare schemes, including a universal credit system similar to that being introduced in the UK, when the basic income pilot ends.

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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    Quote Posted by Iceberg (here)
    How much food, water and energy is waisted daily and without any responsability. The goverment need to build a better system for managing those resources and to distribute to those in need. It doesn't have to be free money only, because most of the poor has lower chance to manage money by themselves, so the combination of small amount with fulfilling their need with the desired resources doesn't have a higher cost, only to rethink the managing system and to intervene in food industry and water supply and to reach all those in need.
    "The government needs to..." that's the problem: totalitarianism. Most people at the top of govt are sociopaths. The founders of the US knew this, that's why they limited the power of government.

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    Default Re: Paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    Quote Posted by Iceberg (here)
    Look how agressive people become, when it comes to free money and Ubi discussion. They speak about macroeconomy as if they know every piece of it and with 2 or 3 informations spreaded along the internet about the failure of Ubi keeps repeating over and over in every forum and discussion.
    People fear to look a new way because are stuck in their mind between capitalism and comunism. They cant see another way out. A perfect mind control, give them 2 failed choices and force them to choose one.
    Maybe too much free money can be dangerous but combination of small amount of free money, with free resources to fulfill people needs is top priority. This is something that can be done and everyone that says contrary is way detached from poverty situation and aware or not aware, keep protecting the elite agenda, because they dont want people free of need.
    Are you sure UBI isn't the elite agenda? Zuckerberg is pretty elite, and he's in favor of it. He's also a globalist who doesn't believe in individual nations. He's for expansion of H1B visas so as companies ship US jobs to other countries, they can fill the remaining US jobs with cheap foreign labor, and provide a UBI to keep the serfs from rioting. Sounds pretty elite to me.

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