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    This announcement coincides with Maduro’s visit to Moscow to meet with Putin.

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    Published time: 25 Sep, 2019 15:16

    Russian miners are interested in mining gold and diamonds in Venezuela and may invest up to $1 billion for mining projects in the country, Russian media reported as the leaders of the two countries met in Moscow on Wednesday.
    “According to Venezuela's estimates, Russian investments may reach around $1 billion,” documents for the talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Venezuelan counterpart Nicolas Maduro read, as cited by TASS.

    During Maduro’s previous visit to Russia, in December 2018, the two countries signed a memorandum of cooperation in geology and mineral resources, allowing Russian firms to mine in the Bolivarian Republic.

    Various US sanctions against Venezuela did not stop Russia from taking part in joint exploration and production projects. For example, Russia’s major oil company Rosneft cooperates with Venezuela’s state-owned oil company Petroleos de Venezuela, or PDVSA, jointly developing five energy projects. Overall geological reserves in the joint ventures amount to 80 million tons of oil. Other companies such as Gazprom Neft, Gazprom and Inter RAO are also involved in energy projects in the country.

    The two countries also enjoy promising industrial cooperation, with Russia's Kamaz delivering trucks, bus chassis and spare parts to the country. Russia also supplies the South American state with grain. Last year, more than 254,000 tons worth $57 million were exported, and there are plans to more than double the shipments to reach 600,000 tons in 2019.

    In January, the Trump administration slapped Venezuela’s oil sector with sanctions. Oil production accounts for most of the country’s revenues. At the same time, Washington vocally supports opposition leader Juan Guaido, who declared himself interim president and has been calling for the ousting of elected President Nicolas Maduro.
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    US sanctions wreak havoc on Venezuela as Washington plays ‘lifesaver’ with aid dollars

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    Despite years of devastating US sanctions on Venezuela, White House officials have painted themselves in the role of savior for the country, lavishing favored political operators with millions in aid as average citizens suffer.

    Just one day after Washington announced a $52 million aid package for the Venezuelan opposition – pledging “full support” for ‘interim president’ Juan Guaido – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the US would devote another $119 million in aid for Latin America to assist those who have fled the crisis in Venezuela. A total of $36 million will be set aside for “life-saving programs” in Venezuela itself, and getting citizens “the help they deserve.”

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    Today at #UNGA, we announced $119M in aid for lifesaving programs in #Venezuela & the region, bringing total U.S. assistance for this ongoing crisis to $568M. We stand united w/ the Venezuelan people & remain committed to getting them the help they deserve. #EstamosUnidosVE

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    OMG. You deprived their people access to food and health and now you want to play savior. People are not fooled so easily.

    10:06 PM - Sep 25, 2019
    While Pompeo bragged that US spending now totaled around $568 million in the country, he did not attempt to untangle the knot of contradictory American policies imposed on Venezuela – which effectively break the country’s legs, while providing only a flimsy crutch to help it walk again.


    ‘Helping’ Venezuela starve?
    In late July, the US Treasury Department announced a new round of sanctions related to Venezuela. Unlike previous penalties, which largely focused on the energy sector and government officials, these targeted the country’s ability to feed itself. The sanctions were imposed on 13 international companies and 10 individuals involved in a food subsidy program known as CLAP, which provided a home-to-home grocery delivery service.

    Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin argued that the program constituted a “corruption network” which used “food as a form of social control,” though he did not explain how destroying the program with sanctions would help Venezuelans to eat.

    Weeks later, in early August – soon after President Trump said he was considering an outright “blockade” on the country – Washington seized a foreign vessel in the Panama Canal carrying a reported 25,000 tons of food aid destined for Venezuela, which Caracas slammed as “serious aggression.”

    An analysis published in April by economists Mark Weisbrot and Jeffrey Sachs of the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), moreover, found that American sanctions may have contributed to up to 40,000 excess deaths in Venezuela since 2017. While the economists cautioned that it is difficult to precisely quantify the role of US sanctions in the excess death rate – especially given socialist Venezuela’s pre-existing economic woes – they said the sanctions were “virtually certain” to have made a “substantial contribution” to the grim figure.

    Venezuela’s political opposition – to whom many millions in aid have already been disbursed – have also proven to be less-than-honest brokers when it comes to the fate of US funds. In June, officials in opposition leader Guaido’s Popular Will Party were accused of embezzling hundreds of thousands in aid dollars, which they blew on high-end hotels, expensive clothes, alcohol and other luxury items. The US continues to dump millions into the opposition regardless.

    While Washington poses as Latin America’s liberator and claims to want nothing less than to end the suffering of the average Venezuelan, US “soft power” policies continue to grind the country’s economy into the dirt and inflict pain on its populace. Some “help.”

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    Maduro and Political Opposition Agreement Ends U.S. Coup Attempt in Venezuela

    By Paul Antonopoulos
    On Sep 23, 2019


    The Venezuelan government and some opposition parties established the National Dialogue Table to reach a resolution to end the political crisis that has gripped Venezuela since neoliberal opposition leader Juan Guaidó unconstitutionally declared himself interim president of the country with U.S.-backing on January 10. The establishment of the National Dialogue Table between the Government and the Advanced Progressive Party by former presidential candidate Henry Falcón, the Movement to Socialism (MAS), the Solutions Movement and the Hope for Change Conservative Party led by evangelist Javier Bertucci, has changed the dynamics of the political crisis in Venezuela, especially since the signatories agreed on two critical points – possible elections and the denouncement of U.S.-led sanctions.

    The five signatories agreed that socialist deputies be reinstated to the right-wing dominated National Assembly, along with the formation of a new National Electoral Council (CNE), to work with the Justice system to address the situation of detained politicians, the rejection of U.S. economic sanctions, the defense of Guyana Esequiba territorial dispute, and the roll-out of the oil-for-food exchange program.

    This cooperation between the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela led by President Nicolás Maduro and the mostly right-wing opposition will prove to be a devastating blow to Guaidó who was only constructed as a U.S.-backed coup mechanism. With the opposition often disunited, they were always at least loosely united around a common goal of overthrowing the socialist Bolivarian Revolution that began after the ascendency of Hugo Chávez to the Venezuelan presidency in 1999.

    The accession of career military officer Chávez to the presidency saw the beginning of what came to be known as ‘the Bolivarian Revolution’. The Chávez-led Bolivarian Revolution emphasized the redistribution of the country’s wealth by increasing the independence of the oil industry from international cartels. Importantly, Venezuela under Chávez became increasingly anti-hegemonic and opposed neo-liberalism and its institutions like the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. Chávez also pushed for the economic and social integration of Latin America to make the region entirely independent from U.S. corporatist capitalism. This was to be achieved through initiatives like TeleSUR and The Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC).

    Venezuela’s new-found sovereignty and majority control of its own oil since Chávez came to power has made it the target of U.S. aggression as the Latin American country threatens the control U.S. hyper capitalism has over the majority of the continent. Maduro replaced Chávez after his death in 2013 and continued the same economic and foreign policy of his predecessor. Because of this, the U.S. continues to employ all methods to stop the continuation of the Bolivarian Revolution.

    With photos published last week of Guaidó smiling with two leaders of the dangerous Colombian paramilitary group, The Rastrojos, it is likely this triggered a move by the non-radical elements of the Venezuelan opposition. These images proved to be a turning point for the U.S.-backed opposition leader as not only do the photos show the intimacy Guaidó has with the criminal organization, that for years violated the Venezuelan economy and security on the border with Colombia, but it forced allied parties to be alienated from blatant criminality.

    Los Rastrojos began in 2006 as a private army of drug trafficker and by 2009 had become, according to experts, the largest drug and terrorism criminal organization in Colombia. The narcoparamilitary group has a strong history of murder, drug trafficking and extortion. It certainly does raise questions against Guaidó, especially as he has openly called for a coup against Maduro and for foreign military intervention.

    Therefore, Guaidó is just the latest extension of Washington’s attempts to stop the Bolivarian Revolution. However, with continued support from China and Russia, it can be argued that Venezuela would have collapsed under U.S. economic pressure. With Washington deeming Latin America to be “its backyard,” the increasing economic and military ties that Russia and China have with Venezuela has made the removal of Maduro all the more critical for the U.S.

    The emergence of the multipolar world with the rise of Russia and China brings an end to U.S. unilateralism. This means that the two Eurasian powers can challenge Washington in its “own backyard.” However, as Guaidó has failed to topple Maduro through political and economic means on behalf of the U.S., and the latest revelations that he is connected to criminal organizations, among many other controversies including the embezzlement of funds, it is likely that the separation of these opposition parties signifies the beginning of the end of the latest bout of U.S. aggression against Venezuela that has persisted since January.

    As the U.S. has failed to remove Maduro, Venezuela’s military ties and arms deals are only increasing with Russia and China. This suggests that the U.S. no longer has control of its so-called “backyard” as states are now capable of making independent decisions based on their states interests because of the rise of the multipolar world order. Therefore, this agreement between Maduro and the opposition can be seen as the beginning of the end of the U.S. dominance over Latin America.


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    Political persecution: Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal arrested months after reporting on Venezuelan opposition violence

    By Ben Norton The Grayzone
    Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:00 UTC

    The Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal has been arrested on false charges after reporting on Venezuelan opposition violence outside the DC embassy. He describes the manufactured case as part of a wider campaign of political persecution.

    Max Blumenthal, the editor of the news site The Grayzone, was arrested on the morning of October 25 on a fabricated charge related to the siege of the Venezuelan embassy in Washington, DC that took place between April and May.

    A team of DC police officers appeared at Blumenthal's door at just after 9 AM, demanding entry and threatening to break his door down. A number of officers had taken positions on the side of his home as though they were prepared for a SWAT-style raid.

    Blumenthal was hauled into a police van and ultimately taken to DC central jail, where he was held for two days in various cells and cages. He was shackled by his hands and ankles for over five hours in one such cage along with other inmates. His request for a phone call was denied by DC police and corrections officers, effectively denying him access to the outside world.

    Blumenthal was informed that he was accused of simple assault by a Venezuelan opposition member. He declared the charge completely baseless.

    "This charge is a 100 percent false, fabricated, bogus, untrue, and malicious lie," Blumenthal declared. "It is clearly part of a campaign of political persecution designed to silence me and the The Grayzone for our factual journalism exposing the deceptions, corruption and violence of the far-right Venezuelan opposition."

    The arrest warrant was five months old. According to an individual familiar with the case, the warrant for Blumenthal's arrest was initially rejected. Strangely, this false charge was revived months later without the defendant's knowledge.

    "If the government had at least told me I had a warrant I could have voluntarily surrendered and appeared at my own arraignment. I have nothing to fear because I'm completely innocent of this bogus charge," Blumenthal stated. "Instead, the federal government essentially enlisted the DC police to SWAT me, ensuring that I would be subjected to an early morning raid and then languish in prison for days without even the ability to call an attorney."

    Background to the embassy siege

    In April and May, Washington-backed Venezuelan coup leaders began taking over properties in the United States that belong to the internationally recognized government of Venezuela's democratically elected President Nicolás Maduro, in violation of international law.

    A group of activists responded by keeping a vigil inside the Venezuelan embassy in Washington, DC, in order to protect it from an illegal seizure by the US-supported coup leaders. The activists formed what they called the Embassy Protection Collective. The internationally recognized Venezuelan government gave them permission to stay in its embassy, which is its own sovereign territory under international law.

    In response, hordes of violent right-wing activists who support the Venezuelan opposition launched a de facto 24/7 siege of the embassy, preventing people, food, and supplies from entering the building.

    The Grayzone reporter Anya Parampil and Alex Rubinstein, a contributor to The Grayzone, were embedded in the embassy with several peace activists.

    Parampil and journalists including Blumenthal documented the right-wing mobs lashing out with racist and sexist invective as well as violence at Venezuelan solidarity activists who gathered outside the embassy to show support for the protectors.
    'This ginned up claim... is simply false'
    Court documents indicate the false charge of simple assault stems from Blumenthal's participation in a delivery of food and sanitary supplies to peace activists and journalists inside the Venezuelan embassy on May 8, 2019.

    The charge was manufactured by a Venezuelan opposition member who was among those laying siege to the embassy in a sustained bid to starve out the activists inside.

    "I was not party to any violent actions around the Venezuelan embassy," Blumenthal reiterated. "This ginned up claim of simple assault is simply false."

    According to court documents, Ben Rubinstein, the brother of journalist Alex Rubinstein, also participated in the non-violent and legal food delivery. Rubinstein was arrested over 12 hours later after the food delivery by Secret Service police officers.

    He spent 20 hours in jail, alongside Gerry Condon, president of Veterans for Peace, who was arrested after being brutalized by Secret Service officers for attempting to toss a cucumber inside an embassy window.

    "The opposition members made up these lies about Max and I know they're lying, and they are obviously using the government and police as tools to get revenge," Ben Rubinstein told The Grayzone.

    Retaliation for The Grayzone's reporting on the violent Venezuelan opposition
    Max Blumenthal reported extensively from outside the Venezuelan embassy in May. He filed a story explaining how "the pro-coup mob outside turned violent, physically assaulting embassy protectors, and hurling racist, sexist and homophobic abuse at others."

    Blumenthal documented an opposition activist breaking into and subsequently vandalizing the embassy, in violation of international law. He also reported on opposition members destroying the embassy's security cameras, while the authorities stood idly by.

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    Max Blumenthal‏Verified account @MaxBlumenthal

    Max Blumenthal Retweeted Peter Bolton

    To the left of the fascist is “Mohamed,” the right-wing vigilante who broke into the embassy two days ago and ransacked an entire room: https://twitter.com/realalexrubi/status/1123536909870010368?s=21 … @DCPoliceDept has taken no action beyond aiding and abetting this squalid mob

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    Today outside the Venezuelan Embassy I witnessed a pro-coup demonstrator call a female Code Pink member a "****ing little bitch". #HandsOffVenezuela #Codepink #VenezuelanEmbassy #embassyprotectioncollective

    12:02 PM - 3 May 2019
    The Venezuelan coup regime's supposed ambassador to the United States, Carlos Vecchio, who is not recognized by the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community, helped to lead this aggressive mob as it besieged the embassy.

    The Grayzone's Anya Parampil exposed Vecchio to be a former lawyer for the oil corporation Exxon. The Grayzone has documented his close links to the US government, and has reported at length on accusations of corruption. Vecchio was a regular presence outside the DC embassy, appearing with his gaggle to stage manage the situation.

    The Grayzone has also published numerous exposés on Venezuelan coup leader Juan Guaidó, who was selected by the US government to be the so-called "interim president" in Caracas, detailing his extensive ties to Washington and his notorious corruption.

    Blumenthal was arrested literally hours after The Grayzone published an article on USAID paying the salaries of Guaidó's team as they lobbied the US government.

    "I am firmly convinced that this case is part of a wider campaign of political persecution using the legal system to shut down our factual investigative journalism about the coup against Venezuela and the wider policy of economic warfare and regime change waged by the Trump administration," Blumenthal stated.

    If this had happened to a journalist in Venezuela, every Western human rights NGO and news wire would be howling about Maduro's authoritarianism. It will be revealing to see how these same elements react to a clear-cut case of political repression in their own backyard.
    Ben Norton is a journalist, writer, and filmmaker. He is the assistant editor of The Grayzone, and the producer of the Moderate Rebels podcast, which he co-hosts with editor Max Blumenthal. His website is BenNorton.com and he tweets at @BenjaminNorton.
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    Political persecution: Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal arrested months after reporting on Venezuelan opposition violence

    By Ben Norton The Grayzone
    Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:00 UTC

    The Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal has been arrested on false charges after reporting on Venezuelan opposition violence outside the DC embassy. He describes the manufactured case as part of a wider campaign of political persecution.

    Max Blumenthal, the editor of the news site The Grayzone, was arrested on the morning of October 25 on a fabricated charge related to the siege of the Venezuelan embassy in Washington, DC that took place between April and May.

    A team of DC police officers appeared at Blumenthal's door at just after 9 AM, demanding entry and threatening to break his door down. A number of officers had taken positions on the side of his home as though they were prepared for a SWAT-style raid.

    Blumenthal was hauled into a police van and ultimately taken to DC central jail, where he was held for two days in various cells and cages. He was shackled by his hands and ankles for over five hours in one such cage along with other inmates. His request for a phone call was denied by DC police and corrections officers, effectively denying him access to the outside world.

    Blumenthal was informed that he was accused of simple assault by a Venezuelan opposition member. He declared the charge completely baseless.

    "This charge is a 100 percent false, fabricated, bogus, untrue, and malicious lie," Blumenthal declared. "It is clearly part of a campaign of political persecution designed to silence me and the The Grayzone for our factual journalism exposing the deceptions, corruption and violence of the far-right Venezuelan opposition."
    Thanks for this Hervé

    Wow, we knew the outlook for (fellow) journalists was looking bleak, but, persecution-on-toast (sic), this is not at all good.

    I need to get the smarts/lowdown on the legalese behind 'simple' assault
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    From https://nbcnews.com/news/latino/vene...-most-n1099631

    Venezuela will be world's worst refugee crisis in 2020 — and most underfunded in modern history

    11 Dec, 2019


    The international community spent $7.4 billion on refugee efforts in the first 4 years of the Syrian crisis versus $580 million for Venezuelan refugees.


    Venezuelans carry their belongings along a pathway after illegally entering Colombia through the Tachira river close to the Simon Bolivar International bridge in Villa del Rosario, Colombia on Aug. 25, 2018

    The Venezuelan refugee crisis is the most underfunded in modern history, according to an analysis from the Brookings Institution published this week.

    About 4.7 million Venezuelans, 16 percent of the country's population, have fled Venezuela since its economy suffered a 65 percent contraction in 2013, the largest outside of war in 45 years.

    Venezuela is second only to Syria in terms of how many displaced people are living outside their country of origin. But estimates from the United Nations Refugee Agency show that if current trends continue, there could be as many as 6.5 million Venezuelans living outside of their country by 2020, far outpacing the speed of displacement seen in Syria with 6.7 million Syrians being pushed out of their birth nation.

    And yet funding to aid this crisis affecting millions of Venezuelans and at least 17 host nations — the three largest being Colombia, Ecuador and Peru — has really been lagging.

    The international community spent $7.4 billion on refugee response efforts in the first four years of the Syrian crisis. But the international community has only spent $580 million four years into the Venezuelan refugee crisis, according to Brookings. On a per capita basis, the international community has spent $1,500 to help each Syrian refugee and $125 per Venezuelan refugee.

    Brookings experts said the international community has been able to get away with this by labeling the escalating catastrophe as a regional crisis instead of a global one, arguing that the Venezuelan economic collapse was not triggered by external forces or internal unrest and instead "was manufactured by those in power, and thus, was totally avoidable."

    At the same time, organizations such as Hispanics in Philanthropy have been working on crowdfunding initiatives to help Venezuelan refugees worldwide while sounding the alarm over the crisis.

    Countries like the U.S. have hesitated to label the Venezuelan refugee crisis a global one "because it is not directly impacting the U.S. yet," Nancy Santiago Negrón, vice president of strategic partnerships and communications at Hispanics in Philanthropy, told NBC News.

    But that might quickly change since it is almost certain the number of Venezuelan refugees worldwide will reach 5 million next month, said Santiago Negrón.

    Venezuela already surpassed China in becoming the No. 1 country of origin for those claiming asylum in the U.S., with nearly 30,000 Venezuelans applying for asylum with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in 2018.

    Nearly one-third of all claims filed at USCIS come from Venezuelans, the most of any country by far, according to recent numbers.

    Funding is crucial not only for immediate humanitarian needs but also to create successful refugee integration efforts in host communities. International financing can help strengthen local infrastructure, such as hospitals, schools, roads and electricity as well as expand access to credit for local firms to help offset possible short-term negative labor market effects caused by the sudden labor supply inflow.

    But analysts worry that lack of international funding to support host nations' integration efforts may soon backfire on a bigger scale. Countries such as Ecuador, Peru and Chile have already imposed barriers to entry for Venezuelans, which could cause the refugee crisis to spread to other regions.

    Santiago Negrón said they are already seeing countries like Brazil and Trinidad and Tobago struggling to grapple with the growing crisis.

    Colombia, the largest Venezuelan hosting nation, launched over $230 million in credit lines for infrastructure and private investment in areas with high refugee density.

    The World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank have opened up financing to host governments to help support the additional strain on public works.

    But given the scale of the Venezuelan displacement, these efforts may still fall short, meaning much more funding will be required to mitigate the crisis on a global scale.

    "We know a lot of people and companies ready to help or intervene, but the challenge has been that people view this as a humanitarian crisis wrapped up in a political crisis," said Santiago Negrón. "We know people want to help human beings, but they don't necessarily want to get caught up in the politics."

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    In August 2018, the international press reported on a massive exodus of Venezuelans fleeing the famine and chavist dictatorship of Nicolás Maduro. There were 18,000 to cross the border each day. At the time, the UN predicted that there would be 5.3 million Venezuelan migrants and refugees throughout Latin America by the end of 2019. There was a major crisis.

    Alas! These figures were pure propaganda: the Office of the High Commissioner for Refugees has just published its official statistics as at December 31, 2018.
    • 57% of the world’s refugees came from Syria (6.7 million), Afghanistan (2.7 million) and South Sudan (2.3 million).
    • Venezuelan refugees represented only 341,800 people (many of whom have since returned to their country).
    The figure is accurate. But there is a big omission. Total refugees accounted by UNHCR is a completely different number than venezuelan emigrants, we (emigrants) are several millions and increasing. Most of venezuelan emigrants (to the rest of South America) are leaving without the needed documentation to apply for asylum or refuge. Most of them are walking hundreds or even thousands of miles to arrive to Colombia, Ecuador and Perú.

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    In Venezuela, turmoil continues. From https://bbc.com/news/51018928, today:

    Venezuela's Guaidó forces his way into assembly after stand-off



    There have been chaotic scenes at Venezuela's National Assembly, with opposition leader Juan Guaidó gaining access to the legislative building after a tense stand-off with police.

    National Guards in riot gear had formed a cordon around the building, but Mr Guaidó and another 100 opposition lawmakers broke through it.

    The move comes two days after Mr Guaidó was prevented from attending a vote to re-elect him as Speaker.

    He called it a "parliamentary coup".

    'The people rule'

    On Tuesday Mr Guaidó arrived at the National Assembly building in a convoy of cars and busses carrying 100 lawmakers who back his re-election as Speaker.

    They were let through a number of checkpoints but not through the cordon of riot police surrounding the building. A tense stand-off ensued.

    About 30 minutes, amid shouts of "this is not a military barracks" and "the people rule, not the military", Mr Guaidó and his supporters pushed their way past the guards.

    Mr Guaidó tweeted footage of the moment they forced their way into the building.

    Their arrival prompted pro-government lawmakers to leave.

    Mr Guaidó sat down in the Speaker's chair. He and his supporters sang the national anthem before he was sworn in as Speaker.

    A power cut forced them to use the flashlights on their mobile phones.

    How did it come to this?

    The melee follows similar scenes on Sunday when Mr Guaidó and a number of opposition lawmakers were successfully barred from entering the building.

    In his absence, dissident opposition lawmaker Luis Parra was elected Speaker. But National Assembly members backing Mr Guaidó held a rival vote outside the chamber, re-electing him as Speaker.


    Luis Parra (left) and Juan Guaidó both claim to be the Speaker of the National Assembly

    Why does it matter who's Speaker?

    Under the Venezuelan constitution, lawmakers elect a Speaker for a one-year term on 5 January.

    Opposition politician Juan Guaidó was elected to the post last year. A couple of weeks later, he jumped into the international limelight when he declared himself interim president of Venezuela.

    Mr Guaidó argued that because the 2018 presidential election that returned President Nicolás Maduro to power had been widely been denounced as rigged, the presidency was vacant.

    He invoked a paragraph in the constitution which states that in such cases, the National Assembly Speaker should take over power.

    More than 50 countries recognised him as the legitimate leader of Venezuela. However, Mr Maduro, who enjoys the support of the Venezuelan military, has remained in power.

    Mr Maduro's government and the opposition-controlled National Assembly have been at loggerheads for years. But as Mr Guaidó's claim to the interim presidency rests on his position as Speaker, this election took on a much greater significance than in previous years.

    Opposition politicians accused the government of offering lawmakers financial incentives to vote against him - an allegation the presidency has denied.

    What was the outcome?

    Ahead of the vote, Mr Guaidó said he was confident of having enough support to be re-elected. But on Sunday he and other lawmakers were prevented from entering the National Assembly by the National Guard.

    Footage showed Mr Guaidó attempting to jump the railing surrounding the building and being pushed back by police with shields.

    Meanwhile, inside the chamber, there were chaotic scenes as government supporters clamoured for the election to go ahead regardless.

    Eventually, an election was held despite the fact that there were not enough lawmakers for a quorum.

    Luis Parra, a former ally of Mr Guaidó who was expelled from the Justice First opposition party over corruption allegations, was chosen as Speaker by pro-government lawmakers and a number of dissident opposition politicians in a show of hands.

    Mr Guaidó argued that the election was illegitimate and convened opposition lawmakers to a vote at the headquarters of a newspaper. Their tally said 100 of the National Assembly's 167 legislators backed him.

    The US, the European Union, Brazil, Canada, Colombia and many other Latin American countries welcomed Mr Guaidó's re-election and condemned the actions of the National Guard. Russia, a firm ally of President Maduro, took the opposite stance, calling Mr Parra's election "democratic".

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    So, what's really going on in Venezuela right now, as the phony Christian come Zionist, Trump, continues the war against Venezuelan citizens in the name of the American people, during their struggle with the US-made bioweapon covid-19?
    "These sanctions have impoverished millions of Venezuelans and negatively impact vital infrastructure, such as electricity generation. Venezuela is impeded from importing spare parts for its power plants and the resulting blackouts interrupt water services that rely on electric pumps. These, along with dozens of other implications from the hybrid war on Venezuela, have caused a decline in health indicators across the board, leading to 100,000 deaths as a consequence of the sanctions."
    Read the full article, here: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...t-surprise-you
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    Venezuela March 27, 2020
    Trump admin’s $15 million bounty on Maduro triggers explosive confession of violent Guaidó plot

    The Trump administration’s deception-laden indictment of President Nicolas Maduro and members of his inner circle has badly backfired, resulting in the exposure of a violent assassination plan that could lead to the arrest of coup leader Juan Guaidó.
    By Leonardo Flores
    "For twenty years, right wing extremists in Miami and Washington have been slandering the Venezuelan government, accusing it of drug trafficking and harboring terrorists without offering even a shred of evidence.
    The item at the top of their wishlist was fulfilled on March 26, when the U.S. Department of Justice unveiled indictments against President Nicolás Maduro and 13 other current or former members of Venezuela’s government and military.
    In addition to the indictments, Attorney General William Barr offered a $15 million reward for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Maduro, as well as $10 million rewards for Diosdado Cabello (president of Venezuela’s National Constituent Assembly), Tarek El Aissami (vice president for the economy), Hugo Carvajal (former director of military intelligence) and Cliver Alcalá (retired general).
    "
    Read more here: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/27/t...o-guaido-plot/

    My comments:
    So, what's actually happening during the coronavirus, you know, in the background, where the people aren't supposed to be noticing? Donald Trump is busy orchestrating the takeover of Venezuela. Maduro's actual crime? Maintaining and putting forth some socialist programs and daring to call it "socialism", out loud. Maduro's predecessor (who was probably killed by the USA, INC.) had nationalized the Venezuelan oil industry - the biggest blob of oil on the planet.

    If your mind can envision the agenda of the elite, the one thing they can not tolerate is the concept of sharing (socialism), because sharing is the antithesis of the goal of the top tier of the elite, the Global Mafia. Think about it, they have a war on sharing. First they went after and destroyed anyone who they accused of "communism" (a form of sharing), then went after and destroyed anyone that adopted any socialist (a form of sharing) policy. Any nation on Earth that shows an example of socialism gets squashed by the USA, INC.

    Smedley Butler made it extremely clear that he destroyed Central American nations for corporations. When the people revolted against the corporations and took back their land - land that some giant foreign (often American or Americentric-multinational) corporation claimed - the people temporarily had control over their own land and shared it. And then the USA, INC. came in and squashed them like a bug - bullets, bombs, and even napalm for daring to take back their own land, sharing it, and daring to call it socialism. The USA, INC.-commanded military is the muscle of the elite, the Global Mafia. That's why president after president has the same targets, the same hit list. You can pretend that your favorite president doesn't cling tightly to the script that the elite write, but you're going to look pretty silly making that argument if you observe reality.

    The elites hate sharing.

    The elites won't tolerate sharing.

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    First... US indicts Venezuela’s Maduro on narcoterrorism charges


    Then... Trump: US to deploy anti-drug Navy ships near Venezuela


    And now... Why Trump sent troops to Latin America:

    Quote The southern command of the US armed forces began a military operation in the Latin American region. Warships and planes were sent there allegedly because of drug cartels, on which Trump wants to inflict a "decisive blow." But at the same time, the United States brought charges of drug trafficking against President Nicolas Maduro. Does all this mean that the Pentagon is embarking on an invasion of Venezuela?

    The US Armed Forces operation in the Caribbean involves dozens of warships and aircraft ranging from reconnaissance aircraft and helicopters to drones. The declared goal of the Americans is the base and infrastructure of drug cartels.

    [Google translate Russian - English]

    and... Caribbean Movement for Peace and Integration Blasts US Moves

    Quote In a statement by its General Secretary David Denny, the organization blasted the continuous and escalating aggressions by the Trump administration towards Venezuela.


    Kind of makes you wonder what's next.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    If your mind can envision the agenda of the elite, the one thing they can not tolerate is the concept of sharing (socialism), because sharing is the antithesis of the goal of the top tier of the elite, the Global Mafia. Think about it, they have a war on sharing. First they went after and destroyed anyone who they accused of "communism" (a form of sharing), then went after and destroyed anyone that adopted any socialist (a form of sharing) policy. Any nation on Earth that shows an example of socialism gets squashed by the USA, INC.


    The elites hate sharing.

    The elites won't tolerate sharing.
    Venezuela: Letter from Nicolas Maduro to the peoples of the world

    Caracas, October 2, 2020

    To the Peoples of the World

    My brothers and sisters:

    Greeting you with affection, I allow myself to address you on the occasion to inform you of recent actions by Venezuela to face and overcome the illegal blockade that the United States government has imposed on my country for almost twenty years. years, and particularly in the last five years, causing serious effects on the Venezuelan economy, with a negative impact on the well-being of the population.



    In this sense, I would like to inform you of the approval of a very special legislative instrument, called “Anti-blockade law for national development and guarantee of the rights of the Venezuelan people”, focused on the defense of heritage, sovereignty and dignity of our country, as well as the right of our people to peace, development and well-being.

    It is a necessary legal response from the Venezuelan state, in perfect harmony with international law, which will allow the creation of mechanisms to improve the income of the nation and generate rational and adequate incentives, under flexible controls, to stimulate the internal economic activity and the celebration of productive alliances through foreign investments, which promote national development.

    On the other hand, in the political sphere, I have the honor to reaffirm that in the face of the external aggression posed by the unilateral coercive measures of the United States against Venezuela, our objective is, and always will be, to strengthen and deepen our democracy.

    Despite the Covid-19 pandemic, preparations for the legislative elections of December 6 are advancing at a good pace, where the population will turn out en masse to comply with the constitutional mandate to elect a new national parliament.


    In this election, the conditions of which have been agreed with large sectors of the democratic opposition in my country, more than 900/0 of the political organizations registered with the National Electoral Council will participate, for a total of 107 political parties - including 98 from the opposition - and more than 14,000 candidates, who are vying for the 277 parliamentary seats.

    The result of this electoral competition will undoubtedly give greater strength to our nation and our people, who have resisted foreign aggression with dignity and firmness and, despite everything, maintain their spirit of love and solidarity.

    Dear comrades, once I have updated you on these two elements of the real situation in Venezuela, allow me to share with you some information of interest to broaden your field of knowledge on the general framework which explains the current reality. from my country.

    Since 2014, the United States has enacted a law and seven executive orders or decrees, in addition to 300 administrative measures, which together constitute a sophisticated policy of multifaceted aggression against Venezuela.


    In five years, the blockade succeeded in cutting funding to Venezuela, preventing it from having the necessary foreign exchange to buy food, medicine, spare parts and raw materials essential to economic activity. During this period, Venezuela experienced the largest drop in its foreign income in its history, close to 99%.

    The United States has decreed a ban on the marketing of Venezuelan hydrocarbons, its main export product, and tax revenues. In this context, since the start of the pandemic due to the new coronavirus, on several occasions the United States has publicly boasted of storming ships that bring to Venezuela the products necessary for the production of gasoline and supplying the internal market with fuels, further aggravating the economic situation.

    Citing this illegal regulation, the United States confiscated money and assets from PDVSA, the Venezuelan national oil company, including several refineries that are on American soil, worth more than $ 40 billion.

    These legal instruments are the mechanism for enforcing a cruel blockade against the Venezuelan people, which Alfred de Zayas, an independent United Nations expert on human rights, unequivocally describes as a "crime against humanity".

    In this sense, in an investigation by the United States Center for Economic Policy Studies on the blockade of Venezuela, the American economist Jeffrey Sachs, special adviser to the United Nations on the sustainable development goals, has determined that the blockade against Venezuela is responsible for at least 40,000 deaths in my country, the sanctions of which should be considered as a "collective punishment against the Venezuelan people".

    In a startling official statement, in January 2018, the US State Department admitted its illegal intentions:

    “The pressure campaign against Venezuela is working. The financial sanctions we imposed have forced the government to start defaulting, both on sovereign debt and on the debt of PDVSA, its oil company. And what we are seeing (.. is a total economic collapse in Venezuela. So our policy is working, our strategy is working and we will stick to it. "

    It is the confession of an international crime, an act of economic savagery, a crime against humanity, with the sole purpose of harming my country and the people of Venezuela.

    The illegal application of unilateral coercive measures, euphemistically called “sanctions”, is a policy repeatedly rejected by the United Nations General Assembly, contrary to international law and in violation of the United Nations Charter.

    For all of the above, on February 13, Venezuela addressed the International Criminal Court to denounce those who, from the United States, have committed these heinous crimes against humanity. I am convinced that sooner or later international justice will examine Venezuela objectively and see the tremendous damage the United States has done to a peaceful, loving and hardworking people.

    While thanking you for your attention to reviewing the content of this letter, which I hope has been helpful in keeping you properly informed about the real situation in Venezuela, I take this opportunity to thank you for your permanent solidarity with Venezuela. Together we will win!

    Regards,

    Nicolas Maduro Moros

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    Journalist specializing in Venezuela
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    I would like to know your position in relation to Venezuela, thank you
    In France, many French people support Venezuela, as well as Jean Luc Melenchon deputy of rebellious France
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    Curious how somebody can echo the loony dictator's words as face value for the situation in Venezuela.

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    Quote Posted by perolator (here)
    Curious how somebody can echo the loony dictator's words as face value for the situation in Venezuela.
    What is your view of Juan Guaido? Everyone in the Venezuelan opposition abandoned the guy, almost avoid him like the plague? Even the EU and the ONU, the US and others are moving forward and pretending they never supported him

    There is also news all day long about how many billions of dollars Venezuela lost, through sanctions that caused terrible harm, that were designed and implemented by that guy (Juan Guaido) and his partners in the interim government

    Do you think Venezuela would be better if he had not caused the country to lose billions over the years, just so he could justify his path to power? It is very much by now an accepted fact that he did it for power, and not for the good of the people.
    That's why everyone is avoiding working with him in any way, it's going down hill day by day

    So, given all the evidence the world has right now. What is your view on Juan Guaido?
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    Quote Posted by perolator (here)
    Quote Posted by Baby Steps (here)
    The acid test is the oil
    The oil is just part of the problem. It is far from the big picture.

    Quote Posted by Baby Steps (here)

    We are at the fork in the road.

    Venezuela’s future is bright in any case, things have to get better

    In scenario A the local politicians sell out to international oil interests, and the big boys reap most of the financial gains for themselves. These interests do throw a bone to the locals to keep up the impression of benefit.
    In any case, It is not just the oil.
    1. It is the gold uncontrolled extraction (causing criminal ecological damage) and smuggling.
    2. The illegal drug machine (full fledged worldwide distribution).
    3. International Terrorist (Hezbollah) training camps and safe zone.
    4. Colombian guerrilla safe zone.
    5. Diamonds, Coltan, Aluminium, Iron, Bauxite.
    6. Iranian trade, circumventing U.S. sanctions.
    7. Uranium distribution to Iran.

    Venezuelans want a stable country, a safe country with a strong economy. That's it. If it means "being given a bone" it's okay.

    Quote Under scenario B which the Chavistas are holding out for, a publicly owned oil industry provides the financial benefits to the people via the government. This is how it is in Norway. This is the correct and just solution. This is the scenario that international capital and their US government. Stooges seek to avoid at all costs.
    Quote It is so hard to understand chavistas are ruthless criminals with no idea whatsoever how to run a country? They have 20 years with all the power at their disposal. They got enough money to fund 20 Marshall plans and despite that fact they ruined the country. The Norwegian government is no point of comparison to the Venezuelan government. Is like comparing an elephant to an ant.
    Big claims, but no proof, can you provide proof, in terms of legal arrangement papers, some link, or anything at all that substantiate your claims?

    Quote They have 20 years with all the power at their disposal.
    20 Years for sure, working around sanctions, limitations and plenty of sabotage from within from bad actors that don't want anything but to gain power. Evidence is mounting so bad around it that i can't believe people in general has not realised it yet

    Words are meaningless, and forgettable. Didn't you know? Facts matter
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    Hello Mashika,

    Thank you for reading some of my posts.
    All the information you want is out there. If you read my posts since the very first one, you’ll know I tried to substantiate my claims with more information and historical figures.
    No proof? Use YouTube and search for “Situación en Venezuela” and you may pick among thousands of videos.
    Sanctions?
    How come venezuelan politicians are able to import anything, including luxury cars and goods, in a country with “sanctions”?
    I am sick of providing proof. You want it, you search for it.

    I lived for 50 years in Venezuela. And you? Have you been there?
    Regarding Guaido… He was “the last hope” and resulted “the big fiasco”. There is no opposition in Venezuela. There are “the ruling class” and “the exploited”.

    Billions of dollars were spoiled by the Galactic Emperor known as Chavez and his successor The Loony Dictator.
    Guaidó spent chump change. Pennies, compared to the others.
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    Quote Posted by perolator (here)
    Hello Mashika,

    Thank you for reading some of my posts.
    All the information you want is out there. If you read my posts since the very first one, you’ll know I tried to substantiate my claims with more information and historical figures.
    No proof? Use YouTube and search for “Situación en Venezuela” and you may pick among thousands of videos.
    Sanctions?
    How come venezuelan politicians are able to import anything, including luxury cars and goods, in a country with “sanctions”?
    I am sick of providing proof. You want it, you search for it.

    I lived for 50 years in Venezuela. And you? Have you been there?
    Regarding Guaido… He was “the last hope” and resulted “the big fiasco”. There is no opposition in Venezuela. There are “the ruling class” and “the exploited”.

    Billions of dollars were spoiled by the Galactic Emperor known as Chavez and his successor The Loony Dictator.
    Guaidó spent chump change. Pennies, compared to the others.
    But you have not provided real proof, youtube videos are proof of nothing, show us the documents

    There is a very clear difference between pushing a narrative through videos and talking heads, and showing the proof with actual, hard to deny facts. Such as documents.

    Here's a way, for example, if the Venezuelan government is able to import expensive, luxury cars from other countries, there is a paper trail, which country are they importing them from? Are those companies selling very expensive cars to Venezuela, going against the US sanctions? Show us the proof of that. If you make a statement like that, surely you have seen the documents yourself?

    Maybe you consider you are 'tired of showing proof' but youtube videos are not proof. Have you considered you are tired of giving 'explanations'? And 'proof' does not equal 'explanations', by the way

    You are making a giant mistake here, confusing real intent with public speak, confusing an agenda and narrative with a economical plan

    For me, it's very simple to see, since i'm watching from the outside. Anyway look at how the EU and even now the US is treating Guiado, they can't get rid of him fast enough

    I have been in Venezuela before, and i knew people there, i also, as said above, can see things from the outside.

    Can you see things from the outside? OR are you living on an enclosed space where everything has an explanation, provided to you free of charge by someone who wants you to be lead and picks the right words every time?

    "The fish always thinks the pond is the entire world, it has never seen how small the pond is, from the outside"

    You are made to suffer for greater purposes than you can imagine, it's not your government who is to blame for that, it's way above that. You just don't have the higher view, sadly

    If you think Maduro is who has caused you pain and misery and all that stuff, then you have, by choice, turned yourself into another brick in the wall.

    All governments have issues, that's not the actual current problem with Venezuela, it goes way above that. Discussing the little details "he said this, he did that, this other person said this, and did that" is a waste of time, small talk like that? And which politician is more likeable? That's just noise
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    Why are you asking me for documentation and proof?
    I am an average joe. I am a simple person like anybody else.

    How can you expect me to have hard proof on the highly illegal stuff the ruling class do in Venezuela on a daily basis?
    I perceived the country going down the drain, day by day, since chavismo took over.
    Do you have sensitive information to share with me?
    If I don’t have such information, what I posted here is automatically lies and conjectures?

    I don’t want to be rude, but this is nonsense, to say the least.

    Do you have hard evidence of activities you want to disclose about your country?
    If you don’t, that gives me enough arguments to dismiss everything you said?

    Staying in Venezuela for some days and knowing people there does not qualify you to be knowledgeable about the country, their people and their customs, much less something complex as country politics.

    I posted about things I lived and about things I know. My family, relatives and friends are surviving in a failed country. So please, if you disagree with my posts, at least be respectful and don’t ask me for “documents and hard, undeniable proof”.

    Have a nice day.
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    Quote Posted by perolator (here)
    Why are you asking me for documentation and proof?
    I am an average joe. I am a simple person like anybody else.

    How can you expect me to have hard proof on the highly illegal stuff the ruling class do in Venezuela on a daily basis?
    I perceived the country going down the drain, day by day, since chavismo took over.
    Do you have sensitive information to share with me?
    If I don’t have such information, what I posted here is automatically lies and conjectures?

    I don’t want to be rude, but this is nonsense, to say the least.

    Do you have hard evidence of activities you want to disclose about your country?
    If you don’t, that gives me enough arguments to dismiss everything you said?

    Staying in Venezuela for some days and knowing people there does not qualify you to be knowledgeable about the country, their people and their customs, much less something complex as country politics.

    I posted about things I lived and about things I know. My family, relatives and friends are surviving in a failed country. So please, if you disagree with my posts, at least be respectful and don’t ask me for “documents and hard, undeniable proof”.

    Have a nice day.
    By this, i can see how you don't understand what's truly happening to your country, family, friends and so on

    You are 'tired of showing proof' but once asked about it, now you don't want to go through it in detail? You were played by bad actors all along, but you can't see it, and that's terrible sad

    How much are you hurting your own country and family, by not realising you were used to push a narrative? You don't even know why Venezuela is actually being pushed to the limit, what's the interest in forcing it to break down and be destroyed, so that people ask desperately for help? Surely not oil, there is something more critical there that you are not even aware of, a very limited resource.

    I do know a lot about my country's issues, but that has nothing to with this conversation. I can see you are attempting to deflect by using emotional means, such as telling me this

    Quote I posted about things I lived and about things I know. My family, relatives and friends are surviving in a failed country. So please, if you disagree with my posts, at least be respectful and don’t ask me for “documents and hard, undeniable proof”.
    I may be a bully and cruel, but in this instance, you are hurting more your own family, than i could ever, just by running away from the facts

    So if you did not had any evidence at all of what you said, then it was 'conjectures' and asumptions, based on youtube videos and narratives that were pushed to you by bad actors.

    The easiest way to destroy a country is not by invading it, it's by causing the country's citizens to hate their reality, so they take it down themselves, then you 'help' them rebuild, under specific conditions that tend to favor the nation that is 'helping'

    You won't be able to help your family until you understand that if your head doesn't remain cold and you look for facts instead of narratives and self-bias, you are part of the problem. Are you looking for solutions right now? Which one is it? Remove the government and allow an interim one setup by an external country?

    Consider this. Who will be in control, once Maduro is removed? The 'Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation', also known as 'School of the Americas'? One of their excellent students? Such as Guaido?

    What you feel is not anger towards people like me, what you may be feeling is anger about knowing inside you that this is all wrong, and you can't do much about it, but direct your anger at Maduro, which is exactly how it all was planned for you and your friends/family and other Venezuelans

    I don't think, based on your last reply, that we can continue this conversation, as clearly you have been emotionally manipulated so that anything that feels dangerous and exposes the lies you have been told, you feel immediate rejection against.

    Good luck and i wish you can all have better lives, but you will have to fight for it, both emotionally and eventually possibly physically, because you don't understand why you are being made to suffer the way you are, but you will some day, or your kids will

    Bye now
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    Cool Re: Turmoil in Venezuela

    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    By this, i can see how you don't understand what's truly happening to your country, family, friends and so on
    All right. Please enlighten me.

    Quote You are 'tired of showing proof' but once asked about it, now you don't want to go through it in detail?

    You were played by bad actors all along, but you can't see it, and that's terrible sad
    How come I have to fullfill a duty of providing information to you? Oh, I understand. Bad actors are misguiding me. I cannot see it. Therefore, I will be more careful in my comments, because maybe I am part of a narrative. And maybe Venezuela is the tropical version of Narnia.

    Quote How much are you hurting your own country and family, by not realising you were
    used to push a narrative? You don't even know why Venezuela is actually being pushed to the limit, what's the interest in forcing it to break down and be destroyed, so that people ask desperately for help? Surely not oil, there is something more critical there that you are not even aware of, a very limited resource.
    Okay. I will not say anything wrong about the Loony Dictator or the (deceased) Galactic Emperor, I prefer to keep my country and family safe.

    Quote I do know a lot about my country's issues, but that has nothing to with this conversation. I can see you are attempting to deflect by using emotional means, such as telling me this
    I posted about things I lived and about things I know. My family, relatives and friends are surviving in a failed country. So please, if you disagree with my posts, at least be respectful and don’t ask me for “documents and hard, undeniable proof”.
    Yes, I am using psyop tactics. You are very smart. Glad you noticed.

    Quote I may be a bully and cruel, but in this instance, you are hurting more your own family, than i could ever, just by running away from the facts

    So if you did not had any evidence at all of what you said, then it was 'conjectures' and asumptions, based on youtube videos and narratives that were pushed to you by bad actors.
    You are right. Thus, you are actually silencing me or at least you are trying to. I have to have "evidence" of all and anything I said, because if I tell you to search in YouTube (a widely used resource in Project Avalon forum, by the way) this resource or narrative is surely pushed to me by bad actors.

    Quote The easiest way to destroy a country is not by invading it, it's by causing the country's citizens to hate their reality, so they take it down themselves, then you 'help' them rebuild, under specific conditions that tend to favor the nation that is 'helping'
    I will not hate my reality. I never stated I want to destroy my country, the country where I was born and the country where my people lives.

    Quote You won't be able to help your family until you understand that if your head doesn't remain cold and you look for facts instead of narratives and self-bias, you are part of the problem. Are you looking for solutions right now? Which one is it? Remove the government and allow an interim one setup by an external country?
    I don't have the power to remove any government. By voting in a heavily rigged system? You are joking, right?

    Are you looking for solutions for issues relative to your own country? How is the effectiveness of those solutions in the context of the country, taking into account you are a single person with no power to change anything on your own?

    Quote Consider this. Who will be in control, once Maduro is removed? The 'Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation', also known as 'School of the Americas'? One of their excellent students? Such as Guaido?

    What you feel is not anger towards people like me, what you may be feeling is anger about knowing inside you that this is all wrong, and you can't do much about it, but direct your anger at Maduro, which is exactly how it all was planned for you and your friends/family and other Venezuelans
    Which anger? None of the crooks in charge will be removed by anger.
    I don’t know who or whom would be in control. I just want things as they were before chavismo or better. 22 years ago, Venezuela still was a democratic country. Civil servants were elected and they worked in 5-year periods. I used to defend Guaido, and I, as a large volume of the people, believed in “the opposition”. I was wrong. Venezuelan politicians are capable of anything. They work for themselves.

    Quote I don't think, based on your last reply, that we can continue this conversation, as clearly you have been emotionally manipulated so that anything that feels dangerous and exposes the lies you have been told, you feel immediate rejection against.

    Good luck and i wish you can all have better lives, but you will have to fight for it, both emotionally and eventually possibly physically, because you don't understand why you are being made to suffer the way you are, but you will some day, or your kids will

    Bye now
    Don't be another brick in the wall
    Okay. You are right. I am emotionally manipulated, I am a puppet of those beings (bad actors) and I am probably lied to.

    I will not be another brick in the wall... I am going to Shine my Crazy Diamond someplace else... But I will continue posting my ramblings here in this thread. Randomly and freely. I have deep respect for all forum members (including you) and for Bill.
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