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    Compare French and Venezuelan protests - spot the difference

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    Demonstrators clash with security forces in a rally against Venezuelan President Maduro. © Reuters/Carlos Eduardo Ramirez

    The 'Yellow Vest' anti-government protests in France have received limited coverage in Western media and what coverage there has been has been quite hostile to the protestors.

    In Venezuela though it's a very different story. Here the street demonstrations are a major news event, despite the country being thousands of miles away. Furthermore, the coverage is very sympathetic to the protestors and extremely hostile to the government.

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    France is just across the water. But you watch,there’ll be much more coverage in mainstream news outlets of the anti-govt protests in #Venezuela than there was of the #GiletsJaunes protests vs the ‘centrist’ Macron.The coverage will be a lot more sympathetic to the protestors too

    12:14 AM - Jan 24, 2019
    Why are angry street protestors in France bad, but in Venezuela very good?

    The answer has to do with the stances and international alliances of the respective governments. It's inaccurate to call President Emmanuel Macron of France the President of the rich. He is, as his predecessor Francois Hollande admitted on French television, the President of the very rich.

    Macron is an unashamed globalist, committed to carrying out neoliberal reforms at home, and following a 'liberal interventionist' ie imperialist foreign policy abroad, which means keeping French forces -illegally- in Syria. No wonder the elites are mad about the boy. The toppling of Macron, in a French Revolution 2.0, would be a huge blow to the most powerful people in the world. It cannot be allowed to happen.

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    French police in Toulouse shove an unarmed female protester onto the ground then grab her using her hair: pic.twitter.com/IqT5LneGRd The hypocritical EU is still silent on the Macron government's widespread human rights abuses. #GiletsJaunes

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    4:05 PM - Jan 20, 2019
    The French authorities have responded to the street protests with force; one activist was even sentenced to prison for six months - but this has largely been ignored by Western 'liberals' who would be so quick to denounce similar actions in other countries, whose government they don't approve of. Instead, the message is 'law and order must be maintained'.

    The Yellow Vests protestors have been relentlessly traduced. We were told they were 'far-right' and 'racists' and even 'anti-semites'. The conspiracy theory that they were part of a sinister Russian plot to sow division in Europe was also promulgated, by those who routinely attack others for being conspiracy theorists.

    By contrast, the anti-government protestors in Venezuela can do no wrong, even when they commit terrible acts of violence. Those who falsely accuse their Gilets Jaunes of being motivated by 'racism' were silent when a black man, the 21-year-old Orlando Jose Figuera was burnt alive by anti-government protestors in Caracas in 2017.

    Imagine the outcry if the Yellow Vests had set fire to a black man in Paris. But it's anti-Chavistas doing it in Venezuela, so let's close our eyes and pretend it didn't happen.

    While there is absolutely no evidence of any foreign involvement in the Yellow Vest protests, the US and its allies have been openly backing the anti-government protests in Venezuela.

    Trump has even recognised Venezuela's opposition leader, Juan Guaido, as the leader of the country. Again, imagine the headlines if Vladimir Putin recognised Marine Le Pen or Jean-Luc Melenchon as the leader of France - or said, as Trump has said about Venezuela, that Russia could invade France if the government didn't stand down!

    The US move has already been endorsed by EU bigwigs, like Guy Verhofstadt, reminding us that for all their criticism of Trump, these virtue-signaling politically-correct European 'liberals' are on the same page as the US when it comes to imperialistic regime-change operations. It's not just Venezuela, it was the same in Yugoslavia in 2000 and Ukraine in 2014.

    It's a crowded field, but the prize for the biggest hypocrite of all goes to Emmanuel Macron.

    The man who has been clamping down on legitimate street protests at home, and whose approval rating slumped to just 21% earlier this month, published a tweet in which he praised ' the courage of the hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans who are marching for their liberty".

    For the Yellow Vests protestors, and indeed for anyone else who genuinely supports liberty, that really is one sick joke.
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    If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a hypocrite. Pretending to be one thing while really being another. We're watching. We see what they are.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    This isn't rocket surgery. What is happening in Venezuela is a 100% textbook globalist overthrow of Venezuela, by exactly the methods exposed by John Perkins.
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    Be careful what you wish for. The USA has just appointed "the savior you've been waiting for", Elliot Abrams.
    Agreed.

    I just watched US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo make the case before the United Nations Security Council that Maduro was bad and Guaidó was good.

    Here's a snippet of that speech:

    You can listen to a more complete video of Pompeo's speech at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT1WXCO6mwI

    I was reminded of the time that then Sec of State Colin Powell made a similar speech in 2003 to the United Nations, holding up a vial of anthrax, accusing Iraq President Saddam Hussein of weapons of mass destruction:
    I don't know what the truth is regarding Venezuela, but I'm damn sure it is not whatever Pompeo said.

    The U.S. is up to no good again (still, continuing and ongoing, as John Perkins described.)
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    Whatever the case is, whether you govern an evil oppressed regime of corporations and bankers or not - YOU DON'T STARVE A POPULATION based on their support for you. Once you do that. It's game over for you.

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    Quote Posted by spade (here)
    Whatever the case is, whether you govern an evil oppressed regime of corporations and bankers or not - YOU DON'T STARVE A POPULATION based on their support for you. Once you do that. It's game over for you.
    We (or at least I) do not have reliable information on who's starving, nor why, nor who is to blame. As you can see in other posts above in this thread, these are matters of considerable controversy.
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    Quote Posted by spade (here)
    Whatever the case is, whether you govern an evil oppressed regime of corporations and bankers or not - YOU DON'T STARVE A POPULATION based on their support for you. Once you do that. It's game over for you.
    Straight to the point. That's why Maduro's regime has to be ended, CIA involvement or not.

    This is what really happened last election (2018) in Venezuela:

    Quote At the heart of the government’s subsidy program is the “Carnet de la Patria,” or “Fatherland Card” — an electronic identification card — that Venezuelans often need to show in order receive their CLAP food, subsidized medicine and government cash bonuses.

    On Election Day, millions of people will be encouraged to register those cards at booths run by the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela that will be set up next to polling stations. There, organizers will scan the card and be able to see, in real time, who has voted — and roust those who haven’t.

    The government says the Fatherland Cards are simply a high-tech way to make sure government subsidies are going to the neediest. And the system is completely voluntary.

    But in a country where a majority rely on subsidies to stay alive, the system has become a powerful and pernicious electoral tool, said Luis Lander, the director of the Venezuelan Electoral Observatory, an election watchdog group.

    “This is clearly being used to threaten voters,” he said, explaining that people fear that if they don’t vote, they might lose their government-subsidized food. The government insists the aid comes with no political obligations, but Lander said people are wary.

    Venezuela uses electronic voting machines — and the Fatherland Cards are scanned electronically. And while there’s no evidence the systems are linked, the set-up seems designed to fuels doubts, Lander said.
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    Perolator, are you aware that the gov. of USA is involve in all wars in the world. If so why would you side with a group that have an undeniable record of creating chaos around the world. You are looking at so many things that you missed the very obvious. USA gov. and its backers are the enemy of the people of the world including you. To bad you been dupe just like many others and you are helping your enemies. Whoever is against the USA gov. and its backers is my friend my ally. simple as that. What I wanted to see is for these demons to be rounded up, quarantined or simply executed. Thats my wish for the good of all the people in the world.

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    Hi Bubu,

    Yes, I am fully aware. I know the U.S. is involved in all wars. I would be an ally of anyone who remove the chavista regime. Simple as that, Bubu.
    Quote Bubu said: What I wanted to see is for these demons to be rounded up, quarantined or simply executed.
    My same thoughts for chavistas, Maduro and all their allies.

    Quote Bubu said: To bad you been dupe just like many others and you are helping your enemies.
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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    Hi Bubu,

    Yes, I am fully aware. I know the U.S. is involved in all wars. I would be an ally of anyone who remove the chavista regime. Simple as that, Bubu.
    Quote Bubu said: What I wanted to see is for these demons to be rounded up, quarantined or simply executed.
    My same thoughts for chavistas, Maduro and all their allies.
    this is, in my views, because you have justifiably much anger about what happened to your people. And empathy, which is to be applauded.

    However, it might not be all the chavistas fault. They just carried what was fabricated for them to carry. And most of the time, they did it quite unconsciously, except for those stealing and corrupted.

    That is where it has to be looked at. In a deeper way. And for this, anger has to be tamed, otherwise rational thought through critical thinking (meaning deep analysis taking many point of views to come to a conclusion) has real problems to happen.

    And the solutions are always way above where the problem is created.

    I am sorry for your pain.
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    this is, in my views, because you have justifiably much anger about what happened to your people. And empathy, which is to be applauded.

    However, it might not be all the chavistas fault. They just carried what was fabricated for them to carry. And most of the time, they did it quite unconsciously, except for those stealing and corrupted.

    That is where it has to be looked at. In a deeper way. And for this, anger has to be tamed, otherwise rational thought through critical thinking (meaning deep analysis taking many point of views to come to a conclusion) has real problems to happen.

    And the solutions are always way above where the problem is created.

    I am sorry for your pain.
    Thank you, Flash. That's why I am trying to put a different point of view for the Avalonian community. I have 8 years reading posts and come here from time to time. I enjoy reading Bill Ryan's posts and UFO stuff. But I am very disappointed because nobody is watching the picture I am trying to depict. As I said before, I cannot compete with RT, Neil Clark, Clark Murray and the big MSM machine.

    Do not be naive, Flash. Hugo Chávez, Nicolás Maduro and the whole gang of chavistas were fully aware of their acts. Here is one example. The goal of the regime was not to "save the opressed" or "distributing the oil revenues evenly" or "help the poor" or "insert your socialist-communist goal here". A horse is not "ally" of its rider.

    It is just a horse.

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    Quote Posted by perolator (here)
    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    this is, in my views, because you have justifiably much anger about what happened to your people. And empathy, which is to be applauded.

    However, it might not be all the chavistas fault. They just carried what was fabricated for them to carry. And most of the time, they did it quite unconsciously, except for those stealing and corrupted.

    That is where it has to be looked at. In a deeper way. And for this, anger has to be tamed, otherwise rational thought through critical thinking (meaning deep analysis taking many point of views to come to a conclusion) has real problems to happen.

    And the solutions are always way above where the problem is created.

    I am sorry for your pain.
    Thank you, Flash. That's why I am trying to put a different point of view for the Avalonian community. I have 8 years reading posts and come here from time to time. I enjoy reading Bill Ryan's posts and UFO stuff. But I am very disappointed because nobody is watching the picture I am trying to depict. As I said before, I cannot compete with RT, Neil Clark, Clark Murray and the big MSM machine.

    Do not be naive, Flash. Hugo Chávez, Nicolás Maduro and the whole gang of chavistas were fully aware of their acts. Here is one example. The goal of the regime was not to "save the opressed" or "distributing the oil revenues evenly" or "help the poor" or "insert your socialist-communist goal here". A horse is not "ally" of its rider.

    It is just a horse.
    I'm watching your picture. I've been watching since the transition into this crisis when Chavez left this planet. and I must say politics / regime / agendas aside - Chavez did an infinitely better job at keeping things stable and well fed compared to this bumbling baboon of a lunatic. I may not agree with Chavez nor the US sanctions and all that nonsense in between, but compared to demon-possessed assholes (pardon the language) like Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao and the Kim regimes and now this - Chavez managed to feed the populace. It is really painful when people don't have enough to eat, just like the cursed country of Haiti.

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    "Posted by Dennis Leahy
    This isn't rocket surgery. What is happening in Venezuela is a 100% textbook globalist overthrow of Venezuela, by exactly the methods exposed by John Perkins."

    If you read his book the stages are

    1. Send in the Economic Hit Man (John Perkins) to offer a huge loan from the IMF to improve infrastructure and boost the economy - creating a debt that can't be repaid. Well, Venezuela already has good infrastructure and Maduro is anti US and well aware of this tactic.

    2. If that doesn't work, send in the Jackals and assassinate the president. Has that happened?

    3. If that fails, send in the military by creating a fake pretext for a war (such as Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq). Has that happened?


    So where is the 100% textbook overthrow by these methods?

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    Since Herve has been cherry picking the MSN to try and prove something that is untrue. I'll redress the balance by quoting an article from tofay's UK Gardian Newspaper. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-have-its-day


    No pity for corrupt Maduro, who has broken his country. Now, democracy must have its day


    He is clinging to power. Only removing him will pull Venezuela back from the brink

    Sun 27 Jan 2019 07.00 GMTLast modified on Sun 27 Jan 2019 08.22 GMT

    Supporters like to claim, is a theatre in a new cold war. Donald Trump’sadministration and his hawkish foreign policy advisers, with their occasional threats of military intervention, provide the perfect props. So does Jair Bolsonaro, the new far-right president in Brazil. But the real contest in Venezuela is between democracy and dictatorship. Maduro leads a corrupt authoritarian regime that has stolen and broken a once-prosperous country, staging a coup against its own constitution.

    On Saturday 12 January, a power cut at the University Hospital in Caracas caused the deaths of six patients, according to a union representative. It was not an isolated incident: in the two months from mid-November, 40 hospitals in Venezuela monitored by a local doctors group suffered power cuts lasting an average of three hours a day. But the deaths at the University Hospital were a particular embarrassment to Maduro, Venezuela’s ruler since 2013. Highlighting his country’s descent into criminal public mismanagement, they happened just after he was inaugurated for a second six-year term as president, in a sparsely attended ceremony at the supreme court and not the national assembly, as the constitution requires.

    For most governments in the Americas, for the European Union and for many Venezuelan people, that ceremony was bogus. For them, Maduro is no longer a legitimate president, but simply a dictator who staged his re-election last year in a fraudulent poll from which the main opposition parties were barred. Over the past fortnight, Venezuela has seen nationwide protests, including in poor neighbourhoods traditionally loyal to Hugo Chávez, Maduro’s predecessor and mentor.

    They culminated in massive marches last Wednesday, during which Juan Guaidó, the new, young speaker of the opposition-controlled national assembly, proclaimed himself to be the country’s interim president. In a co-ordinated move, the United States and a dozen other countries in the Americas recognised Guaidó. For several hours, power seemed to hang in the balance. Then senior military commanders reaffirmed their support for Maduro and rejected what they claimed was a “coup”. Guaidó has gone into hiding.

    After the police killed two dozen demonstrators last week, the protests are likely to die down. But the battle for power in Venezuela is not over. Maduro has broken off relations with the US. He can count on support from Cuba and Russia and the quiescence of China. But his relative international isolation is evident. He presides over a broken economy and a country from which around 10% of the population have fled in the past three years in search of the subsistence, safety and opportunity they are denied at home. Polls show that most Venezuelans have little time for the opposition, long racked by opportunist internal squabbles. But they also show that the vast majority want change. And in Guaidó, who is the nominee of Leopoldo López, an opposition leader under house arrest, it has at least found a fresh face.

    The date of last week’s marches, 23 January, is significant in Venezuela. On that day in 1958, a popular uprising overthrew a military dictatorship, ushering in a stable two-party democracy. Fuelled by oil exports, Venezuela became the wealthiest country in South America and a haven for political exiles from military dictatorships elsewhere on the continent in the 1970s. Then the oil price collapsed and popular discontent at austerity and corruption saw the election in 1998 of Chávez, a charismatic army officer who had led a failed coup.

    Chávez had the good fortune to preside over the biggest oil boom in the country’s history. He is still revered by half the population, who recall his social programmes and popular touch. But by the time he died of cancer in 2013 he had bankrupted his country, running up debt and strangling the private sector with controls while replacing its output with imports. He replaced a flawed social democracy with a clientelist society, in which benefits and food rations are handed out in return for political loyalty. The state has been hollowed out into corrupt fiefs, controlled by armed groups, legal or not. In an emblematic case, Chávez’s former treasurer admitted in a New York court to taking $1bn in bribes, a sum greater than all the bribes paid by Odebrecht, Brazil’s notoriously corrupt construction company.
    Venezuela is suffering one of the worst peacetime economic collapses, akin only to that of Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe. The economy has shrunk by almost half since 2014, while hyperinflation destroys the value of wages. This collapse is not the result of low oil prices, still less of sanctions imposed by the US (which mainly affect individual leaders of the regime). Other oil producers have weathered lower prices, but in Venezuela the regime’s mismanagement has seen oil output fall by almost two-thirds since Chávez took office.

    Venezuelans turned against Maduro in a legislative election in December 2015, when an opposition coalition won 56% of the vote and a two-thirds majority in the national assembly. That prompted Maduro to rule as a dictator; the assembly has been reduced to an impotent NGO, stripped of its constitutional powers. Most of the opposition’s leaders are in jail, in exile or intimidated. Torture of prisoners is common, according to a recent report by Human Rights Watch. Maduro and his cronies cling on thanks partly to hundreds of Cuban spies, who have foiled several coup plots in the past two years.

    Cuba’s leadership could at least point to past achievements, to world-class health, education and hurricane-defence programmes. In return for cheap oil, Cuba is propping up a feral regime that rules a country in which the vast majority have fallen into poverty and child mortality is rising sharply. As South American countries suddenly face absorbing 3 million Venezuelan immigrants, Maduro’s regime has become a regional problem. In Caracas, the military offers Maduro the loyalty of a partner in crime. The generals fear that Guaidó’s offer of an amnesty for the billions they have stolen will not be honoured. Maduro will no doubt try to limp on through further repression, but he may run out of money. The US is unlikely to attempt a military invasion but it is looking at ways to channel payment to Guaidó and the assembly for the oil it still imports.

    A swift negotiation in which Maduro departs and a free election is called is the best hope for Venezuela. This route has been offered to Maduro before and he has rejected it. Things may get worse for Venezuelans before they get a chance to recover their country.

    Michael Reid is the author of Forgotten Continent: A History of the New Latin America. He is a columnist and senior editor at the Economist.

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    It's the Copy and Paste thread .
    How about someone who has taken the time and effort to consider , evaluate and respond based on the strength and judged appropriateness of the underlying arguments for and against further planned US regime change ?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nterventionism
    Some excellent points are made , succinctly .
    And I also believe it is all about Oil Reserves and whether the US war machine expands further . Backed 100% by the UK ( and others ) and their puppet institutions like the BBC , Guardian and F .Times -- our lovely Globalist friends no less .




    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nterventionism

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    Quote Posted by ripple (here)
    It's the Copy and Paste thread .
    How about someone who has taken the time and effort to consider , evaluate and respond based on the strength and judged appropriateness of the underlying arguments for and against further planned US regime change ?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nterventionism
    Some excellent points are made , succinctly .
    And I also believe it is all about Oil Reserves and whether the US war machine expands further . Backed 100% by the UK ( and others ) and their puppet institutions like the BBC , Guardian and F .Times -- our lovely Globalist friends no less .




    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nterventionism

    Yes but this is just another person who doesn't really know enough about what is really going on inside Venezuela and, like most people, has already decided that it's a regime change by the US for the sake of oil. Once you have that in your head then you are going to cherry pick the media for articles that support that idea!

    Of course we know that's what the US does but it's not the main issue in this case.

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    I have been to Cuba and seen the poverty and starvation. I have seen the failed authoritarian socialist model there, complete with victory slogans painted on crumbling buildings, etc.I do not doubt that Venezuela is the same.

    Stories of how awful it is there have been pouring out for 16 years. The goverment saw oil as just a revenue stream to enable them to build their workers paradise, away from tyrannical capitalism. It all fell apart when the oil price fell.

    Remember that Maduro has a greater democratic mandate than most leaders. Many there understand that despite the corruption, he is trying to do the right thing.

    It really turns the stomach to listen to Pompeo describing starvation there, largely caused by his own sanctions, then blame the Venezuelan government.

    The globalists, led by their western stooges( it seems including Trump) , pick on regimes when they do the following. The following 'crimes' are simply not allowed by the emerging global order and millions die to prevent them:

    1. a goverment that legitimately configures its banking system to minimise interest payments to international lenders
    2. a government that places substantial resource assets, like oil, in the hands of a publicly and locally owned company
    3. a government that seeks to minimise profit plunder from the above assets by multinational companies
    4. a goverment that sells commodities, like oil, to who they wish, in exchange for what they wish (such as gold, barter, or another currency) rather than via the petrodollar.

    Any goverment that contemplates these acts of legitimate sovereignty will be crushed. They know that this is happening, but they continue, because they are doing the right and just thing. They hope that public opinion will awaken to the tyranny in time to save the people.

    will it? Reading the commenters on snow-flakey articles, I see more understanding of reality now than a few years ago.
    Fingers crossed.
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    This is a good source of news from within Venezuela itself: The Caracas Chronicles https://www.caracaschronicles.com/

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    Quote Posted by ripple (here)
    It's the Copy and Paste thread .
    How about someone who has taken the time and effort to consider , evaluate and respond based on the strength and judged appropriateness of the underlying arguments for and against further planned US regime change ?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nterventionism
    Some excellent points are made , succinctly .
    And I also believe it is all about Oil Reserves and whether the US war machine expands further . Backed 100% by the UK ( and others ) and their puppet institutions like the BBC , Guardian and F .Times -- our lovely Globalist friends no less .




    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nterventionism

    Yes but this is just another person who doesn't really know enough about what is really going on inside Venezuela and, like most people, has already decided that it's a regime change by the US for the sake of oil. Once you have that in your head then you are going to cherry pick the media for articles that support that idea!

    Of course we know that's what the US does but it's not the main issue in this case.
    I hear what you say .
    But what you write about the author is simply untrue .She knows the prevailing conditions and she avoids cherry picking a convenient conclusion . However -- and regardless -- the overall point being made is that there is no case for any regime change , let alone another one inspired by a shabby US foreign policy . And one almost certainly dictated by natural resource reserves considerations .
    Did you read the referenced article? That overall point is a simple one and made neatly and clearly . The fact that it is fully realised by decent people doesn't somehow reduce its relevance or weight .
    The only argument against the US position that I can conceive is , the US, as the self elected master of all peoples destiny , has the full right and responsibility to break all international agreements if it so decides .That then makes the US a Fascist power .

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    Quote Posted by perolator (here)
    Hi Bubu,

    Yes, I am fully aware. I know the U.S. is involved in all wars. I would be an ally of anyone who remove the chavista regime. Simple as that, Bubu.
    Quote Bubu said: What I wanted to see is for these demons to be rounded up, quarantined or simply executed.
    My same thoughts for chavistas, Maduro and all their allies.

    Quote Bubu said: To bad you been dupe just like many others and you are helping your enemies.
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
    Ahhh, you agreed to sell your soul to the demon so that the devil can be ousted. The outcome will be you losing your soul but your people is still in tight fix. not a very good strategy.

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    Zakharova Mocks ‘8 Day Snap Election Deadline’ for Venezuela – But There’s More

    FRN
    By Joaquin Flores
    Last updated Jan 27, 2019


    MOSCOW, Russian Federation – Statements by the authorities of Germany, France and Spain on the conditions of recognizing the Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido as interim president of the country are the same – (that Maduro has eight days to conduct a snap election) – said the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova.

    [Published on: Jan 26, 2019 @ 23:20 ]

    “Statements made are not only identical, but even [published] at the same time,” the diplomat wrote on her Facebook.

    She also joked that Germany, France and Spain “look like a choir.”

    Earlier in the day, Paris, Madrid and Berlin announced that they were working closely with European partners on the crisis in Venezuela. These European countries expressed their willingness to recognize Guaido as interim head of state in the event that Republic President Nicolas Maduro does not announce the holding of elections within eight days. Later in the day , the United Kingdom made a similar statement .
    Since her statement, London also joined onto the eight day ‘demand’ from Paris, Madrid, and Berlin.


    A Matter of Constitutional Interpretation? No, just obfuscation
    What is ethically and legally perplexing on multiple levels, is the premise Guaido used in his self-declaration as acting president. Guaido cites several articles of the Venezuelan constitution to support his claim to legitimacy, but the constitution actually points the opposite direction. The National Electoral Commission in Venezuela, considered clean and fair by international monitors for several decades, approved the electoral process which saw Maduro re-elected.

    That is, Maduro and the government followed the constitutional requirements for an election – they were even held earlier than required, because the opposition according to the constitution has the right to determine the timing of elections. This provision is quite the opposite of ‘dictatorial’ – and indeed the Maduro led government conducted the elections when the opposition wanted. Specifically, these elections were held at the time when, according to polling, the opposition had the most support.

    However, several opposition parties refused to participate – boycotting the election, while those opposition parties that did participate and whose platforms are very similar, failed to get behind a single candidate. In short, even though the opposition exercised its right to determine the timing of elections, and timed it during a period that polls indicated Maduro’s weakest support, Maduro still won.

    In deciphering Guaido’s specific citation of articles 233 of the Venezuelan Constitution, we find something that under other circumstances would be simply amusing. Wherein he says that the National Assembly that he leads has the obligation to recognize if the president is unwilling or unable/unavailable to act as president, and then proceed to name the president of the National Assembly – Guaido – as acting president pending snap elections, he has interpreted this wrong on several counts. So why was 233 ?

    FRN has noted numerous times that U.S plans always ‘go forward’ even if critical other pieces of the plan failed to materialize.

    The only constitutional way to get Guaido or any other U.S proxy into power, failing an actual election, is if the president is permanently unavailable.

    This explains the connection between the citation of Article 233 and the assassination attempt on Maduro back in August. Bear in mind that while August came after the May election that Maduro won, his inauguration wasn’t until January. This means that Guaido’s citation of article 233 to place himself as president of the republic, is incoherent. Only if the August assassination attempt had succeeded, would the president by permanently unavailable prior to his January inauguration.

    Another ‘interpretation trick’ which Guaido tried to pull was the phrase ‘duly declared by the National Assembly‘ (see below). He emphasized these words in his speech, while he ‘declared’ himself president, but here too we find something entirely off-point.

    An incoherent reading may leave the interpretation that the National Assembly has the right to determine if the President of the Republic has abandoned his position. It does not – it is the due obligation to declare it if he has abandoned his position; not its authority to determine that he has abandoned the position. An analogy may be to the national weather service. The national weather service has a due obligation to inform the public of a coming tsunami. The national weather service does not conjure tsunamis into existence through declaration.

    Even though the attempt on Maduro failed, and he is ‘ready, able, and willing’ to serve his second term, the U.S nevertheless goes ahead with their plan, and Guaido’s script goes forward unchanged. The problem of course is that the duly elected president is just fine, and came out of the assassination attempt unscathed.

    In the event that something happened to Maduro after his inauguration, then power would transfer to the vice-president, not the president of the national assembly (akin to Speaker of the House).

    The language of the constitution is pretty clear:
    Article 233: The President of the Republic shall become permanently unavailable to serve by reason of any of the following events: death; resignation; removal from office by decision of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice; permanent physical or mental disability certified by a medical board designated by the Supreme Tribunal of Justice with the approval of the National Assembly; abandonment of his position, duly declared by the National Assembly; and recall by popular vote.

    When an elected President becomes permanently unavailable to serve prior to his inauguration, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the President of the National Assembly shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic.

    When the President of the Republic becomes permanently unavailable to serve during the first four years of this constitutional term of office, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the Executive Vice-President shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic.

    In the cases describes above, the new President shall complete the current constitutional term of office. If the President becomes permanently unavailable to serve during the last two years of his constitutional term of office, the Executive Vice-President shall take over the Presidency of the Republic until such term is completed.
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    Found in the article's comments:
    Douglas Jack15 hours ago

    YEA! Russia, China, India, Iran, Turkey, Syria, Belarus, North-Korea, Cuba, Nicaragua, El-Salvador, Mexico, Bolivia, Caricom (Caribbean Nations including Surinam & Guyana) as well as the European-Union upholding its existing recognition for the Bolivarian republic of Venezuela. So we have one half of the world's population in support of Maduro or at least status-quo & acceptance by the world's major trading block. Here's CARICOM's statement of support for Venezuela's Bolivarian sovereignty. https://www.caricom.org/med...

    Both Chavez & Maduro are considered majority self-identifying descendants of indigenous First Nations of Venezuela, which stands them apart from the minority colonial Spanish conquistador identifying moneyed patrons. All are Mestizo but the moneyed patron class are money & institutionally alienated from their ancestral roots. The Exceptional Nation Asserts Its Exceptionalism, Washington has chosen a president for Venezuela. Chavez with Maduro following in Venezuela is the longest lasting indigenous leadership. 25Jan’19 https://www.paulcraigrobert...
    "La réalité est un rêve que l'on fait atterrir" San Antonio AKA F. Dard

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