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    We have to start by recognising that the Elite do not care about the suffering of the Venezualan people.

    They do not care about the millions of starving children in Yemen (they enable it)
    They do not care about Genocide in Palestine (they fuel it)
    They do not care about the eradication of an entire culture in Tibet (they sweep that under the carpet)
    They do not care when millions of people's lives are destroyed by government corruption (so many places, including Nigeria)

    THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE

    What can be said with equal certainty is that they will pretend to care, to advance their (hidden) goals.


    Why was Libya destroyed?

    the three best theories are

    a) Sarkozy knew that Gadaffi had dirt on him & wanted him dead

    b) Libya controlled its own oil assets

    c) Wikileaks has shown that The Libyans were preparing to launch a gold-backed Pan-African currency.This had to be prevented to preserve the petrodollar.


    So why is this happening now in Venezuela?


    The country has been subjected to sanctions that prevent it from buying food etc.

    Quote President Nicolas Maduro has said Venezuela would launch a cryptocurrency to combat a US-led financial “blockade,” although he provided few clues about how the economically crippled Opec member would pull off the feat.

    In other words the Maduro regime is trying to support the country by looking for alternative ways to sell and buy, in order to beat the sanctions.


    In the UK, the press tone relating to Maduro's recent legal legitimate request for the return of the Venezuelan people's gold has been dismissive:

    Quote The gold deposit is believed to be the last of country’s bullion reserves in the BoE, which held 99 tonnes of Venezuelan gold in 2011.
    Separately, City A.M. has viewed a letter to Mark Carney dated 30 November, seemingly from members of the Venezuelan opposition, calling on the governor to refuse the request.
    “Without doubt the intention of Maduro and his regime is to steal these resources that rightly belong to the people, either for their own personal gain, or to finance further repression of the people,” the letter read.
    I would say that there is good evidence that the trigger point for this latest batch of globalist tyranny is the cryptocurrency. If Venezuela could launch a Gold backed crypto, it could by-pass any financial restrictions that TPTB could impose - short of cutting off the internet.

    Why is this such a threat? Well, if small countries can by-pass international controls and just sell and buy as they see fit, without any globalist intervention from the UN, IMF, BIS etc, the integrity of the dollar's reserve status will suffer a heavy blow.


    This is Maduro fighting fire with fire. If they had been treated decently they would not have needed to open this pandora's box!
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    Venezuelans are not stupid, the fruits of a socialist regime are now known in there and the socialist pipe dream is over. The majority of Venezuelans wants Maduro's regime to end and with or without the help of rich countries "already controlled by the elite"... let's hope it ends soon.

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    Quote Posted by guayabal (here)
    Venezuelans are not stupid, the fruits of a socialist regime are now known in there and the socialist pipe dream is over. The majority of Venezuelans wants Maduro's regime to end and with or without the help of rich countries "already controlled by the elite"... let's hope it ends soon.

    Judging by a few recent comparable examples , there is almost no chance . Afghanistan , Iraq , Syria , Yemen and Libya . In fact, I doubt it has yet barely started . Forget the so called Russian Wagner Group . Wait for the Chechnya trained international mercenary /special forces. They live on a diet of roasted seals .

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    Not surprising:

    https://masonicfind.com/is-juan-guid...la-a-freemason

    Quote Is Juan Guido of Venezuela a Freemason?

    It seems like it yes.

    From the following image, which has been circulating on the interwebz lately, it seems like Juan Guido, the newly “elected” President of Venezuela (backed by both the US and the EU) seems to be at the very least; An Entered Apprentice in Freemasonry

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    I would say that there is good evidence that the trigger point for this latest batch of globalist tyranny is the cryptocurrency. If Venezuela could launch a Gold backed crypto, it could by-pass any financial restrictions that TPTB could impose - short of cutting off the internet.

    Why is this such a threat? Well, if small countries can by-pass international controls and just sell and buy as they see fit, without any globalist intervention from the UN, IMF, BIS etc, the integrity of the dollar's reserve status will suffer a heavy blow.
    Maduro already launched an oil backed 'Petro' cryptocurrency and demanded that Venezuelan banks accept it as payment but it was a flop as no other country would accept it. You're missing the point that Maduro was a dictator and not really a legally elected president.

    Just because somebody is anti US does not automatically make them a good guy...

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    I would personally be surprised by overt military action from Trump, but he would be the darling of the MSM if he did. It seems that he has a history of posturing (Syria) for political and media points, then backs off from military force at decision time.


    From Zero Hedge, follow link for full article:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ilitary-option

    Quote Trump Floated "Military Option" In Venezuela With Sen. Graham

    Military option on the table — that's what Axios reporter Jonathan Swan was told when discussing the Venezuela crisis with Sen. Lindsey Graham. In a breaking exclusive Sunday evening, Axios has revealed key explosive contents of a recent meeting between President Trump and Sen. Graham wherein the president "mused to him about the possibility of using military force in Venezuela, where the U.S. government is currently pushing for regime change using diplomatic and economic pressures." According to Axios:

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    You're missing the point that Maduro was a dictator and not really a legally elected president.

    Just because somebody is anti US does not automatically make them a good guy...


    I quote :-One claim, repeated yesterday by the British ambassador at the UN, is that Maduro won the presidential election by "stuffing the ballot boxes". Venezuela doesn't have ballot boxes. It uses an electronic system developed by a British company that is highly praised:

    In September 2012 former US President Jimmy Carter said “the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world”.
    The voters identify with a voter ID and a finger print and vote on a touch screen. Maduro was duly elected as president. Twice. Some, not all opposition parties and candidates, boycotted the last election which led to a lower than usual turnout. Not taking part is a right the opposition can use. It is not the fault of the government. END OF QUOTE , see Moon of Alabama

    I guess the over riding thought is that we are only as good and right as the information we get .


    Which version is correct ? Or nearer the truth ? 'Yours', or , ' Mine ' ?

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    Quote Posted by Joe (here)
    [...]
    Is Juan Guido of Venezuela a Freemason?

    It seems like it yes.
    [...]
    That doesn't look too good considering the forgotten and suppressed out of history of the masonic slaughter of anti-masonic rebels: Cristeros War- Mexicans Revolted Against Judeo Masonic Tyranny
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    I quote :-One claim, repeated yesterday by the British ambassador at the UN, is that Maduro won the presidential election by "stuffing the ballot boxes". Venezuela doesn't have ballot boxes. It uses an electronic system developed by a British company that is highly praised:
    "Stuffing the ballot boxes" is and has long been a metaphor for "rigging the election counting." It does not necessarily mean literally stuffing fraudulent paper ballots into boxes.

    If I had a voting system that was highly praised by the British controlled media (and now the British ambassador, speaking at UN), I would trust that it would yield election results highly controllable by the British imperialists ... as also happens in many districts in the United States.

    As Stalin supposedly said, "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."

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    Quote Posted by 5th (here)
    You're missing the point that Maduro was a dictator and not really a legally elected president.

    Just because somebody is anti US does not automatically make them a good guy...
    I quote :-One claim, repeated yesterday by the British ambassador at the UN, is that Maduro won the presidential election by "stuffing the ballot boxes". Venezuela doesn't have ballot boxes. It uses an electronic system developed by a British company that is highly praised:

    In September 2012 former US President Jimmy Carter said “the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world”.
    The voters identify with a voter ID and a finger print and vote on a touch screen. Maduro was duly elected as president. Twice. Some, not all opposition parties and candidates, boycotted the last election which led to a lower than usual turnout. Not taking part is a right the opposition can use. It is not the fault of the government. END OF QUOTE , see Moon of Alabama

    I guess the over riding thought is that we are only as good and right as the information we get .

    Which version is correct ? Or nearer the truth ? 'Yours', or , ' Mine ' ?
    @ripple: Certainly yours not.

    Quote “We know, without any doubt, that the turnout of the recent election for a National Constituent Assembly was manipulated,” Smartmatic CEO Antonio Mugica said at a news briefing in London.

    Mugica said Smartmatic, which has provided electronic voting technology for elections around the world, was able to detect the overstated officially announced turnout because of Venezuela’s automated election system.

    “We estimate the difference between the actual participation and the one announced by authorities is at least 1 million votes,” he said.
    Source

    Quote It uses an electronic system developed by a British company that is highly praised
    Wrong. Smartmatic is a Venezuelan company headquartered in London. Antonio Mugica, CEO and Founder, is Venezuelan.

    Source

    It may be the most "technologically advanced" system ever, according to YOU. Being completely electronic, it may be easily rigged. Auditing procedures are made in Venezuela since 2002 with 10% of the total votes.

    I could not find information on ballot box dumping in English. You can, however, look at the photo. By the way, ballot boxes are heavily guarded by the venezuelan army.

    Source


    Jimmy Carter?

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    The current situation is Venezuela as I understand it is quite simple:

    -A certain Eastern Hemisphere country was getting contracts for oil, gold, defense, etc.
    -A certain Western Hemisphere country did not want this to continue

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    The current situation is Venezuela as I understand it is quite simple:

    -A certain Eastern Hemisphere country was getting contracts for oil, gold, defense, etc.
    -A certain Western Hemisphere country did not want this to continue
    LOL, 6 pages of arguments here and that's all you can come up with?

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    Quote Posted by TEOTWAIKI (here)
    The current situation is Venezuela as I understand it is quite simple:

    -A certain Eastern Hemisphere country was getting contracts for oil, gold, defense, etc.
    -A certain Western Hemisphere country did not want this to continue
    LOL, 6 pages of arguments here and that's all you can come up with?
    My take away summary would be that ALL forms of government are mind control. Government only exists to keep us safe from other governments. The mind control comes from a lack of imagination that has been systematically removed through government controlled education and cultural indoctrination.

    The people are unable to imagine a life without government. They think the world would be chaos without it. But NO, the world already is chaos. The degree to which a society is free is based on its level of self-governance of its people; self governing not because of its form of government, but in spite of it.

    My takeaway is that people everywhere need to take responsibility for their own freedom. And the most basic freedom is the freedom to exist. Freedom to grow food or otherwise feed themselves and their families, and the ability to defend it if necessary. People have NEVER been free if they don’t have guns to protect themselves from a) the government and b) from non self-governing marauders c) other governments.

    In Venezuela, it appears to be all three infringing on their right to exist. I don’t presume to know what Venezuelans should do. But I do fear it will end badly.

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    Fmr Chavez adviser weighs in on Venezuela crisis: Regime change is de facto 'state policy of US'

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    Supporters of Venezuela's opposition leader Juan Guaido hold a figurine with a sign that reads: "I fight for freedom", during a rally in Caracas, Venezuela, January 26, 2019. © Reuters / Andres Martinez Casares

    Regime change is a permanent fixture of US foreign policy, but the Venezuelan army's loyalty to President Nicolas Maduro will make his forceful removal no easy task, a former adviser to Hugo Chavez told RT's Going Underground.

    Eva Golinger, a Venezuelan-American lawyer and author who served as an adviser to former Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, said that there was nothing surprising about Washington's latest attempt to change the leadership in Caracas.

    Citing the coup in Honduras which received backing from the Obama administration, and the failed US-backed coup in Venezuela in 2002, Golinger told host Afshin Rattansi that it was wrong to believe that the United States had lost its appetite for interfering in Central and South America.

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    ‘Regime change and US dominance is a BIPARTISAN policy in the United States! The coup against Hugo Chavez took place in 2002 and the CIA was deeply involved!’ @evagolinger discusses the US’ regime change operations in Venezuela MONDAY ON RT!

    9:30 AM - 27 Jan 2019
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    Regime change is a "state policy of the United States" and promoting "US dominance around the world" is a position that has broad bipartisan support, Golinger said.
    "They've been trying to get back into Venezuela for a long time... [but] the Venezuelan armed forces are prepared to defend their country. This would not be an easy in-and-out," she noted.
    Maduro, however, still faces an uphill battle, Golinger warned. In 2002, only the United States and Spain recognized the short-lived coup. In contrast, Juan Guaido's self-declared interim presidency has been declared legitimate by a host of countries following Washington's lead.

    That aside, there is also an urgent need for internal dialogue, according to Golllinger, given existing divisions and problems within Venezuela.
    "Maduro has lost a lot of support and legitimacy even among those who supported him initially," she said. Yet, while the country needs some change, "that change doesn't necessarily mean the right-wing opposition coming into power."
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    The forthcoming destruction of the 'Caribbean Basin'

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    President Trump has announced the withdrawal of US combat troops from the Greater Middle East, but the Pentagon is still pursuing the implementation of the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski plan. This time the aim is to destroy the States of the 'Caribbean Basin'. This is nothing like the overthrow of pro-Soviet regimes, as in the 1970's, but the destruction of all regional State structures, without consideration for friends or political enemies. Thierry Meyssan observes the preparations for this new series of wars.

    In a series of previous articles, we presented the SouthCom plan to provoke wars between the Latin-American nations in order to destroy the structures of all the States in the 'Caribbean Basin' [1]. Preparations for wars of this magnitude, intended to follow on from the conflicts in the Greater Middle East according to the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski strategy, requires a decade [2].

    After the period of economic destabilisation [3] and that of military preparation, the actual operation should begin in the years to come by an attack on Venezuela by Brazil (supported by Israël), Colombia (an ally of the United States) and Guyana (in other words, the United Kingdom). It will be followed by others, beginning with Cuba and Nicaragua (the 'troïka of tyranny' according to John Bolton).

    However, the original plan may be modified, particularly because of the return of the imperial ambitions of the United Kingdom [4] which may influence the Pentagon.


    This is where we are now :
    The evolution of Venezuela
    Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez had developed relations with the Greater Middle East on an ideological basis. He had in particular grown closer to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Syrian President Bachar el-Assad. Together, they had imagined the possibility of founding an intergovernmental organisation, the Free Allies Movement, on the model of the Non-Aligned Movement, which was paralysed by the alignment with the United States, over time, of certain of its members [5].

    Although Nicolas Maduro adopted the same language as Hugo Chávez, he chose a very different foreign policy. It is true that he continued the rapprochement with Russia and, in his turn welcomed Russian bombers to Venezuela. He signed a contract to import 600,000 tonnes of wheat in order to deal with starvation in his country. Above all, he prepared to receive six billion dollars of investments, including five in the oil sector. Russian engineers took over the posts which were intended for Venezuelan workers but which they had abandoned.

    Nicolas Maduro reorganised the alliances of his country on new foundations. He wove close links with Turkey, which is a member of NATO and whose army presently occupies Northern Syria. Maduro went to Istanbul on four occasions and Erdoğan went once to Caracas.

    Switzerland was an ally of Hugo Chávez, and had advised him for the composition of his Constitution. Fearing that he would be unable to refine his country's gold in Switzerland, Nicolas Maduro looked to Turkey, which transformed the raw material into bullion. In the past, this gold had remained in Swiss banks as a guarantee for oil contracts. From now on, the liquid assets were transferred to Turkey, while the newly treated gold returned to Venezuela. This orientation may be interpreted as being no longer founded on ideology, but on interest. Everything depends on who benefits.

    Simultaneously, Venezuela became the target of a destabilisation campaign which began with the guarimbas demonstrations, continued with the attempted coup d'etat on 12 February 2015 (Operation Jericho), then by a series of attacks on the national currency, and organised emigration. In this context, Turkey offered Venezuela the possibility of avoiding US sanctions. The exchanges between the two countries multiplied fifteen-fold in 2018.

    Whatever the evolution of the Venezuelan régime, nothing can justify what is being prepared against its population.

    Coordination of logistical means


    From 31 July to 12 August 2017, SouthCom organise a vast exercise with more than 3,000 men from 25 allied states, including France and the United Kingdom. The goal was to prepare a swift landing for troops in Venezuela [6].

    Colombia
    Colombia is a state, but not a nation. Its population lives geographically separate according to social class, with enormous differences in the quality of life. Almost no Colombian has ever spent time in a neighbourhood attributed to another social class than their own. This strict separation has made possible the multiplication of paramilitary forces and consequently armed interior conflicts which have caused more than 220,000 victims in thirty years.

    In power since August 2018, President Iván Duque has challenged the fragile peace concluded with the FARC by his predecessor, Juan Manuel Santos - but not with the ELN. He has not dismissed the option of a military intervention against Venezuela. According to Nicolas Maduro, the United States are currently training 734 mercenaries in a training camp situated in Tona with a view to carrying out a false flag operation intended to spark a war with Venezuela. Taking into account the sociological particularity of Colombia, it is impossible to determine with certainty whether or not the training camp is controlled by Bogota.


    Former Director of ExxonMobil and Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson © Unknown
    Guyana
    In the 19th century, the colonial powers agreed to a frontier between British Guyana (presently Guyana) and Dutch Guyana (presently Surinam), but no text has ever defined the frontier between the British zone and the Spanish zone (presently Venezuela). Consequently, Guyana administrates 160,000 km2 of forest which is still a source of dispute with its larger neighbour. By virtue of the Geneva agreement of 17 February 1966, the two states deferred to the Secretary General of the UNO (at that time the Burmese U Thant). Nothing has changed since then - Guyana has proposed to bring the case before the UNO Permanent Court of Arbitration, while Venezuela prefers direct negotiations.

    This territorial dispute does not seem particularly urgent, because the contested area is an uninhabited forest which was believed to be without value - however, it is a huge area which represents two thirds of Guyana. The Geneva agreement has been violated 15 times by Guyana, which specifically authorised the exploitation of a gold mine. Above all, the stakes were raised in 2015 with the discovery by ExxonMobil of oil deposits in the Atlantic Ocean, particularly in the territorial waters of the contested zone.

    The population of Guyana is composed of 40% Indians, 30% Africans, 20% mixed race and 10% American Indians. The Indians are a strong presence in the civil services and the Africans in the army.

    On 21 December, a vote of no confidence was lodged against the government of President David Granger, a pro-British, anti-Venezuelan General, in power since 2015. To everyone's surprise, a deputy, Charrandas Persaud, voted against his own party, and in an atmosphere of indescribable chaos, provoked the fall of the government which had only a one-vote majority. Since then, the country is in a state of great instability - we do not know whether President Granger, who is presently undergoing chemotherapy, will be able to handle current affairs, while Charrandas Persaud left Parliament with an escort, via a back door, and has fled to Canada.

    On 22 December 2018, in the absence of a government, the Ramform Tethys (under the flag of the Bahamas) and the Delta Monarch (Trinidad and Tobago) undertook submarine explorations in the contested zone on behalf of Exxon-Mobil. Considering that this intrusion violated the Geneva agreement, the Venezuelan army chased the two ships away. The Guyanese Minister for Foreign Affairs, working with current affairs, declared it a hostile act.

    The United Kingdom Minister for Defense, Gavin Williamson, declared to the Sunday Telegraph on 30 December 2018 that the Crown was putting an end to decolonisation, which had been Whitehall's doctrine since the Suez affair in 1956. London is preparing to open a new military base in the Caribbean (for the moment the UK has bases only in Gibraltar, Cyprus, Diego Garcia and on the Falkland islands). The new base could be situated on Montserrat (West Indies), or more probably in Guyana, and should be operational in 2022 [7].

    Guyana is a neighbour of Surinam (Dutch Guyana). Its President, Desi Bouterse, is wanted in Europe for drug trafficking - an affair which pre-dated his election. But his son, Dino, was arrested in Panama in 2013, despite the fact that he entered that country under a diplomatic passport. He was extradited to the United States where he was sentenced to 16 years of prison for drug trafficking - in reality because he was setting up the Lebanese Hezbollah in Surinam.

    Brazil
    In May 2016, Henrique Meirelles, the Minister of Finance for the transitional government of Libano-Brazilian Michel Temer, nominated Israelo-Brazilian Ilan Goldfajn as director of the Central Bank. Mereilles had also presided the Committee for the preparation of the Olympic Games, calling on Tsahal to coordinate the Brazilian army and police, thus guaranteeing the security of the Games. Simultaneously controlling the Central Bank, the army and the police of Brazil, Israël had no difficulty in supporting the popular movement of dissatisfaction in the face of the incompetence of the Workers' Party.

    Believing - without any solid proof - that Presidente Dilma Rousseff had fudged the public accounts in the context of the Petrobras scandal, the parliamentarians impeached her in August 2016.

    During the Presidential election of 2018, candidate Jair Bolsonaro went to Israël to be baptised in the waters of the Jordan, and consequently obtained a massive percentage of the evangelical vote. He was elected with General Hamilton Mourão as his Vice-President. During the period of transition, Mourão declared that Brazil should prepare to send men to Venezuela as a 'peace force' once President Maduro had been overthrown - comments which constitute a barely-disguised threat which President Bolsonaro attempted to downplay.

    In an interview on 3 January 2019, on the TV channel SBT, President Bolsonaro spoke of negotiations with the Pentagon concerning the possibility of creating a US military base in Brazil. This declaration raised powerful opposition within the armed forces, for whom their country is capable of defending itself without assistance.


    Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu during the investiture of President Bolsonaro. Israel has taken position in Brazil. © Unknown

    During his investiture on 2 January 2019, the new President welcomed Israëli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This was the first time that an Israëli personality of this importance had been to Brazil. On this occasion, President Bolsonaro announced the coming transfer of the Brazilian embassy from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem.

    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who also went to the investiture, where he met Peruvian Minister for Foreign Affairs Néstor Popolizio, announced with President Bolsonaro his intention to fight with him against the 'authoritarian régimes' of Venezuela and Cuba. Returning to the United States, he stopped over in Bogota to meet with Colombian President Iván Duque. The two men agreed to work for the diplomatic isolation of Venezuela. On 4 January 2019, the 14 States of the Lima Group (including Brazil, Colombia and Guyana) met to agree that Nicolas Maduro's new mandate, which begins on 10 January, is 'illegitimate' [8]. This communiqué has not been signed by Mexico. Apart from this, six of the member-States lodged a complaint with the International Criminal Tribunal against President Nicolas Maduro for crimes against humanity.

    It is perfectly clear today that the process towards war is under way. Enormous forces are in play, and there is little that can be done to stop them now. It is in this context that Russia is studying the possibility of setting up a permanent aero-naval base in Venezuela. The island of La Orchila - where President Hugo Chávez was held prisoner during the coup d'etat of April 2002 - would enable the storing of strategic bombers. This would constitute a much greater threat to the United States than the Soviet missiles stationed in Cuba in 1962.
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    I want to thank everyone who has been contributing to this thread. It has been informative for me, but more than that, it has been very illuminating. There certainly is a global war being waged for our opinion. Our beliefs are seriously affected by what we choose to read.

    I pity the soul who picks up any form of news whatsoever without first delving to understand what kind of slant they can expect from the source. Seems like you're better off staying ignorant and watching Netflix than trying to get informed about world events.


    Venezuela is another country that can't compete economically or militarily with the US, Russia, or China. So, instead of fighting the eternal losing battle of striving for freedom and democracy in the face of endless covert intervention by the big dogs, just give up and pick one.

    Call up Trump and say, "Make us the US's official 51st state." Now you're off the playing field.

    Maybe the US isn't the best choice of the three... We're just barely holding off a colossal economic disaster of our own, thanks to runaway debt... So maybe pick Russia or China. Tell them you want to become part of the United States of Russia. Not some neocolonial vassal with a puppet "regime"; an actual territory and citizenry of the superpower you select. Now you're all Russian citizens carrying rubles in your pockets. You don't have a Regime to topple anymore.

    Ask the native people of Hawaii: Would they rather live as they do now, or live as the people of Venezuela are living now.
    Everyone would like to be free but when that's not one of the choices, what is the best option?

    I know, I know. Dumb idea, I suppose. History repeating itself and all that.

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    Quote Posted by Joe Akulis (here)

    Venezuela is another country that can't compete economically or militarily with the US, Russia, or China. So, instead of fighting the eternal losing battle of striving for freedom and democracy in the face of endless covert intervention by the big dogs, just give up and pick one.

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    Venezuela is not competing against any of the countries you mentioned. We know for a fact who is it that wants to rule the world and every country, all the countries, is a target. Venezuela is now getting more attention. Russia and China has accumulated enough firepower economically and militarily to counter the controlling empire but if they dont act now, each weaker country will fall one after another and become part of the controlling empire which will grow bigger and bigger until it is able to swallow all including Russia and China. Russia and China and all the countries of the world has no choice but to come together and help each other to defeat the monster empire. Just look at the 800 military bases around the world the biggest and most obvious proof of control agenda.

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    The current situation is Venezuela as I understand it is quite simple:

    -A certain Eastern Hemisphere country was getting contracts for oil, gold, defense, etc.
    -A certain Western Hemisphere country did not want this to continue
    LOL, 6 pages of arguments here and that's all you can come up with?
    My take away summary would be that ALL forms of government are mind control. Government only exists to keep us safe from other governments. The mind control comes from a lack of imagination that has been systematically removed through government controlled education and cultural indoctrination.

    The people are unable to imagine a life without government. They think the world would be chaos without it. But NO, the world already is chaos. The degree to which a society is free is based on its level of self-governance of its people; self governing not because of its form of government, but in spite of it.

    My takeaway is that people everywhere need to take responsibility for their own freedom. And the most basic freedom is the freedom to exist. Freedom to grow food or otherwise feed themselves and their families, and the ability to defend it if necessary. People have NEVER been free if they don’t have guns to protect themselves from a) the government and b) from non self-governing marauders c) other governments.

    In Venezuela, it appears to be all three infringing on their right to exist. I don’t presume to know what Venezuelans should do. But I do fear it will end badly.
    Yes Joe, the people should take responsibility of keeping the society safe and not rely on the military, I vote for the abolition of all military forces, there would always be an excuse to use them to enslave the people. Actually its the ignorance of people of relying to the military for security and ignorance in believing the governments by faith that keeps them enslave. Ignorance is the root cause of all chaos.

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    Is not that simple. After watching Eva Golinger and her boatload of rotten crap, here is a bit of fresh air.

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