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    About Bolton and the US very long tentaculous arms:

    Senior UN judge resigns from The Hague citing 'shocking' interference from 'above the law' US

    Daniel Boffey The Guardian
    Mon, 28 Jan 2019 21:59 UTC


    The International Criminal Court building in The Hague, The Netherlands © Reuters / Piroschka Van De Wouw

    A senior judge has resigned from one of the UN's international courts in The Hague citing "shocking" political interference from the White House and Turkey.

    [...]

    Flügge said the attitude of the US administration to the international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague highlighted the danger:
    "John Bolton, the national security adviser to the US president, held a speech last September in which he wished death on the international criminal court," he said.

    "If these judges ever interfere in the domestic concerns of the US or investigate an American citizen, he said the American government would do all it could to ensure that these judges would no longer be allowed to travel to the United States - and that they would perhaps even be criminally prosecuted.
    "The American security adviser held his speech at a time when The Hague was planning preliminary investigations into American soldiers who had been accused of torturing people in Afghanistan. The American threats against international judges clearly show the new political climate. It is shocking. I had never heard such a threat."
    Flügge said the judges on the court had been "stunned" that "the US would roll out such heavy artillery".

    "It is consistent with the new American line: 'We are No 1 and we stand above the law,'" he said.
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    Justlistened again t Edward Snowden movie.

    Perolator and others, maybe listening to that movie would help understanding the USA and its tentacles. It is on Netflix

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    Justlistened again t Edward Snowden movie.

    Perolator and others, maybe listening to that movie would help understanding the USA and its tentacles. It is on Netflix

    And this brilliant expose by ZH today is an eye opener , even to a cynic like me

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...as-coup-leader

    What a remarkable piece of reporting .

    Anybody who believes that The Trump is winning the battle with the Shadow Government and/or Deep State will probably hiccup for some time . My impression is that he is a complete hostage with Goldman Sachs and the Neo Cons dancing around him gleefully .

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    Justlistened again t Edward Snowden movie.

    Perolator and others, maybe listening to that movie would help understanding the USA and its tentacles. It is on Netflix

    We fully understand (and deplore) US overseas policy and don't doubt that they are playing a hand in Venezuela right now. The point we are trying to make is that Maduro needs to be removed because he is destroying the country and its people. Often, using propaganda lies, the US engineers regime change when the leader is doing something good but is anti US or has an independent banking system but in this case, ANY change is better than carrying on with Maduro.

    As I said before, sometimes there really is an evil dictator who needs to be removed. Even if Venezuela ends up fully in the hands of the US (which is actually still in doubt) it will be better for the Venezuelan people. At the present time, death is a daily possibility.

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    And this brilliant expose by ZH today is an eye opener , even to a cynic like me
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    See post # 149 in this thread where it's already been posted in full...
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    Believe what you want. You are free to decide what is good and bad.
    Its more of what you believe than mine. My family is not in Venezuela.

    I think Paul, sum up the whole situation very accurately. God help Venezuela. The battle ground between the two mammoth force on the planet is now in your place. I'm taking the side of China and Russia in any case. They dont have a record of deliberately destroying nations such as this one.
    I beg to differ with China - where's Tibet, Hong Kong, the real Mongolia nowadays, (soon to consume the rest of South East Asia as they have tried to in the past) - have you seen the crazy new silk road initiatives? Pumping and dumping and cutting deals with corrupt governments with fake loans and forcing them to repay the debt incurred by infrastructure projects in South East Asia leaving the peasants continually destitute without any land compensation? Have you seen their housing developments in Africa? What about the take over of all the Philippines' waters? All these horrendous things by taking the same pages out of the Confessions of an Economic Hitman book.

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    Justlistened again t Edward Snowden movie.

    Perolator and others, maybe listening to that movie would help understanding the USA and its tentacles. It is on Netflix

    We fully understand (and deplore) US overseas policy and don't doubt that they are playing a hand in Venezuela right now. The point we are trying to make is that Maduro needs to be removed because he is destroying the country and its people. Often, using propaganda lies, the US engineers regime change when the leader is doing something good but is anti US or has an independent banking system but in this case, ANY change is better than carrying on with Maduro.

    As I said before, sometimes there really is an evil dictator who needs to be removed. Even if Venezuela ends up fully in the hands of the US (which is actually still in doubt) it will be better for the Venezuelan people. At the present time, death is a daily possibility.
    The question is, in the minds of the masses who would make or tolerate moves made by the given players...WHO PUT THEM THERE?

    Who and what exactly, put Venezuela in the condition it is in right now?

    How, exactly and specifically, in fine detail, in the hidden aspects, the not obvious aspects....how did Venezuela arrive in the condition it is in right now?

    THAT is the most critical thing to know, as that needed, powerfully needed detail work...that all points at the direction which is correct to go in.

    Saying that Venezuela would be better of right now, with US interference and involvement, can be a lot like some hidden aspects of Stockholm syndrome, -- a case of identifying with dark forces from one's own jailers and killers.

    Almost like saying "I know this guy shot and killed some of my relatives... and my kids and family are starving to death and some are going to die because of him and his actions, but he's our best hope for now and the future."


    So when I see what is said in the post I'm quoting, I think to what I know of the US behaviour in the Latin and southern sphere and their history in such matters says my crazy sounding stuff is very likely quite true.

    As that the the US history in all these things. Across the globe. A dozen times over. And actually far more than a dozen times. The record is one of fascist insanity inflicted on other countries, via clandestine means and clandestine channels. More times than anyone can count or find record of.

    So what, exactly, would suddenly, out of the blue, prove that analysis wrong, when dealing with the most important country in the world right now, regarding global balance and US dark forces desperation - and in their at least 100 year record of involvement, in such noted ways.... in this exact area of the world??
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    (cross-posting this, as I believe it also belongs in this thread)

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Regardless of what you BELIEVE about trump, he is ACTING AS a deep-state globalist....
    What if the deep state imperialists (Rockefeller's, Bush's, Clinton's, CIA, etc) had placed the current President Nicolas Maduro in power and had destroyed Venezuela, as they have done so often before, in Venezuela and so many other countries?
    This sounds like a Netflix movie plot for a fantasy good guy US president to swoop in...

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    What if Trump was actually working to dismantle this US imperialist intervention and to return Venezuela to the people of Venezuela?...
    ... and there it is. Fantasy good guy US president, an emancipator, not just an imperialist scumbag tool like all his predecessors, swoops in, saves the day. Nice. The Trump of which you speak must wear a cape and his underwear on the outside, and navigates by way of his glowing Sacred Heart. That's Supertrump, and his pit vipers Bolton and Abrams, swooping in to make sure that the people of Venezuela get the profits of the sale of that national Venezuelan resource, oil... hey, wait a minuto!

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    What if the deep state imperialists (Rockefeller's, Bush's, Clinton's, CIA, etc) had placed the current President Nicolas Maduro in power...
    Problemo #1: Well, they didn't. Nor did they bring Chavez to power. Sorry, it blows the whole fantasy, but the neoliberals and neocons --> neoliberalcons, to coin a word, the modern flavor components of the deep state globalists, have been marking their territory for decades. We know full well what their footprint looks like. It ain't "socialist." It ain't a class uprising. But they have every reason to squash class uprisings and socialist movements.

    There's that word again, "socialism", that word that has been disemboweled and torn to shreds and stitched back together and reanimated and used as a pejorative to describe its complete opposite. I know it gets confusing, and that's because that word was targeted for destruction. Socialism is the opposite of privatization and power, resource, and wealth ownership consolidation, not the opposite of capitalism. Privatization, and power, resource, and wealth ownership consolidation, on a global scale, is globalism.

    Socialism is "of the people" and "sharing essential resources" and "sharing the commons" and "having decentralized government" and toward an "egalitarian society" or at least toward a society where everyone's basic needs are met. It is decentralized power that the globalists fear most - the loss of their centralized power that they have networked (with mobsters) and worked (clawed, manipulated, murdered) for decades to get political and military power under their mobster family control.

    Globalism is private ownership (privatization)/dissolution of the commons. Globalism is about the autocratic consolidation of governance power and resources and wealth - and, on a global scale, that is the NWO goal. Value of individuals is based on how much they affect the globalists cash-flow, so the poor are ledger debits - ignorable, expendable.

    Socialism emphasizes shared public ownership of a "commons", distribution of governance power (government decentralization - not autocracy but rather democracy), value of all individuals. Much flatter hierarchy and emphasis on local governance.

    (Communism would seek to dissolve all private ownership. That does not describe socialism. Just wanted to make the point of what socialism isn't. While I'm here, I'll say that communism also would dissolve hierarchical governance, which is why communism has never happened anywhere, and couldn't happen in a social group larger than a large family/commune.)

    Socialist uprisings and legitimate socialist movements are class wars. It's the "have not's", and those that have little, uniting to take control of their own governance and a share of the pie (if there is one.)

    Have we yet established that the globalists are the bad guys? Do we agree there? So, if we see how they operate, their M.O., and recognize they are antisocialist, then we're not going to pretend that when we see class wars erupting all over the planet, that it's the globalists - with the most to lose with the success of any class war- fomenting it. Maybe the word "globalist" should always be followed by the word "mobster", so there is no warm and fuzzy "handshake around the globe" vibe in the word 'globalist.'


    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    ... when and if the US has done so, and another nation is currently in deep turmoil on account of such intervention, does not the US have a moral obligation to help the people of that nation throw off the tin-pot, banana-republic, dictators that it's imperialist policies placed there, and to allow and support the return of the control of that nation to its people?
    ...
    No. The USA, INC. (the Deep State controlled, mobster government of the USA) is utterly incapable of helping Venezuela, or anyone. The USA, INC. has never ever ever helped another country (other than Israel.) Good examples include Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, where the USA, INC. destroyed the country, killed from hundreds of thousands to millions of innocent humans,... and then says the USA, INC. is going to extract (steal) the minerals, steal the oil, steal the gold - ostensibly to pay for the USA, INC. "intervention"/destruction.

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    ...I posted an "Opposing Viewpoint", more in line with the primary thrust of this thread, over at Turmoil in Venezuela -- Post #157.

    In short, I posted there that Maduro is bad...
    I believe I detect a thinly veiled "socialism is bad; Maduro is socialist; Maduro is bad" equivalency from reading a number of your posts.* In using "bad" you're not emphasizing 'incompetent' or 'myopic' or a bumpkin or an idiot... the implication (to me) of someone being "one of the bad guys", i.e., "bad", would be how deeply and thickly associated they are with the mobster class running the world - the globalists, the bad guys. If Maduro had some truly despicable uber-mobster buddies, people on the order of say, Abrams, Bolton, Giuliani, then I would be highly suspect that Maduro is a bad guy - a globalist mobster. So, I don't know, does Maduro have friends at that level of slithering evil? The most common two allegations are that Maduro is a "dictator", and that he is a colossal thief stealing from the Venezuelan commons, rather than admitting that he is a hapless victim of globalist-imperialist economic warfare that he lacks the sophistication and wherewithal to thwart. There is a big difference. Before declaring Maduro as belonging in the same bedpan as the globalist mobsters, "bad", his actual despotic and misanthropic acts would be examined (if they exist) and his sociopathy (if real) ought to be compared to the globalists that we KNOW are "bad", misanthropic, despotic, sociopathic/psychopathic mobsters.

    *(I am actually keen to gain an understanding of the fears of this ideology, and I do appreciate that you and some others take the time to express your understanding of the pros and cons of any form of 'socialism.' I don't qualify as, nor do I want to be, the spokesperson for 'socialism' but I do want to understand which fears are grounded and which are not. All of us operate our home and family life 'socialist.' The foundations of friendship are also 'socialist', not as a political ideology but whom we share with and care for. So, why are the same concepts of taking care of one another in our families and friend circles suddenly frightening when applied to a wider circle of people?)


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    Some excerpts (from here) to give an idea of the hatred of the globalists elite towards the goys/peasants/useless eaters:

    The revised Auschwitz Labor concept of “Work N Starve” in Guatemala and Beyond

    In the 1950’s, the CIA began overthrowing democratically elected leaders, setting up dictator puppet governments, and making a ghetto of the Third World. Their methodology was the same as the Skull and Bones and the Brown Shirts: undermining of international and national laws, intimidation, blackmail, torture, sexual exploitation, propaganda, racial profiling, and unquestioning obedience to authority. They used taxpayer’s money to economically enslave the world for their own private profit. The CIA was a direct continuation of their drugs, slaves, and weapons running operations from WWII and before.

    One of the first things they did in the early 1950’s was to take thousands of daughters of loyal American officers that had beaten the Nazis and enslaved them as a kind of retribution in Operation MKULTRA.

    When Allan Dulles headed the CIA, he covered-up Rockefeller’s illegal business operations. He also ran black-ops and overthrew the democratically elected leader of Guatemala, Arbenz, to help Rockefeller’s United Fruit Company in which he also owned shares. President Arbenz wanted to buy United Fruit’s unused land at market value to give it to the poor so that they could grow their own food (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbenz). United Fruit refused to sell. Children starved to death when their parents worked for United Fruit because the wages were so low. The Rockefellers wanted depopulation. Arbenz’s policies would have allowed the peasants to get out of having to work for United Fruit. Dulles’s overthrow of Arbenz meant decades of enslaved labor and starvation of children for the Guatemalan people. It also meant decades of massacres, torture, and over 100,000 deaths by CIA trained death squads to repress those who rebelled.

    Note: The historians writing about the coup had their work overseen by David Rockefeller! […]

    The coup even had the same CIA villain E. Howard Hunt, who lead this CIA campaign, appointed by Vice President Nixon. He was later in the WaterGate burglary of the Democractic Convention which ended in the resignation of Nixon. E. Howard Hunt figures prominently in the book Plausible Denial: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination? as a suspect for the assassination.

    It was in their selfish interests to starve the peasants and to make them willing to work for next to nothing, as serfs dependent on them for their food. The CIA overthrew Arbenz to put their own puppet in power. That continued the severe poverty and starvation of children in Guatemala. The Guatemalan government carried out systematic massacres over decades against its indigenous peoples while the US government funded that with military aid and I know of instances in which US Generals were present at the massacres of whole villages down to every man, women, and child, in order to try to ensure a thorough job was done of it. Clearly, had that killing of the indigenous people been against what the CIA/Cabal wanted done, they would just have gone back in and changed the government again. But the Guatemalan government doing those massacres was in the CIA/Cabal’s good graces—they were doing what the Cabal wanted and the funding and military aid to do it kept flowing like a broad river towards it.
    "Why should we worry about the death squads? They're bumping off the commies, our enemies. I'd give them more power. Hell, I'd give them some cartridges if I could, and everyone else would too...Why should we criticize them? The death squad - I'm for it."
    -- Fred Sherwood, the former president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Guatemala, September 1980
    […]
    “For decades, United Fruit had controlled Guatemala through pliable dictators” ...Rockefeller’s chosen PR man [Ed Bernays] said,

    “The only way to deal with the public was to connect with their unconscious desires and fears. ...Instead of trying to reduce people’s fears of Communism, one should actually encourage and manipulate the fear." In such a way it became a weapon in the Cold War.

    Larry Tye, Boston Globe Journalist stated--
    “What United Fruit had to do was change this from being a popularly elected government which was doing some good things for people there, into this being a threat to American democracy close to its shores ...He transformed this into the issue of a Communist threat...taking United Fruit as a commercial client out of the picture and making it look like a question of American democracy and American freedom and values being threatened."
    Regarding how the Rockefeller-engineered coup in Guatamala was intended, Howard Hunt says:
    “What we wanted to do was have a terror campaign...to terrify Arbenz particularly, and his troops, much as the German Stuppabombers [Stukas] terrified the population of Holland, Belgium, and Poland at the onset of WWII and just rendered everybody paralyzed.” [Reminds me of “Shock and Awe” in Iraq].
    It was as if the CIA had been created at the end of WWII precisely to allow those Americans who funded/profited from Nazi violation of human rights to continue their reign of death, terror, and enslavement. President Truman later said, “Had I known the CIA would become the American Gestapo, I never would have signed it into existence!” Not only did the CIA help many Nazi war criminals escape prosecution, it continued committing war crimes unabated!

    […]

    Those at the top ordering the war crimes were desperate to keep the workers of countries from uniting and keep stealing from them their labor, their resources and their lives. To do that they keep up the perception of an external threat. Those in the West were told that the Russians and the Cubans were coming and that Communism was the threat. But at the same time the Rockefellers were instructing their people inside the Russian govt. and the KGB that the Americans and the British were the threat. By playing on the fears of each side they kept the workers from uniting to form true democracies and have the right to organize for fair wages. Europe was able to largely seek a middle ground of socialism, and some measure of rights and the rule of law. That is better than failing completely prey to the Robber Barons. But much needs to be done still to prevent the corporations from destroying the environment.
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    Quote Those at the top ordering the war crimes were desperate to keep the workers of countries from uniting and keep stealing from them their labor, their resources and their lives.
    I would say the "Yellow Vests" are sensing that pincer coming in... hence the urge to drive cheap labor into various nations so as not to pay for pensions, welfare and fair wages... and get legitimate owners dispossessed.


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    No surprise! Defense of democracy is US pretext for seizing control of resources - all about the money
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    So, why are the same concepts of taking care of one another in our families and friend circles suddenly frightening when applied to a wider circle of people?)
    Because that's exactly what is to be feared -- consolidation of power.

    When one thinks of a large group of people as one big family, then some institution or individual ends up exercising the decision making powers so consolidated, and then there is an almost inescapable tendency for the most power hungry, psychopathic, sociopathic, ... individual(s) to spend the most effort seeking the reins of control of that centralized power.

    Such centralized power should be splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds, to misquote JFK's comment about the CIA.

    Where practical, individual people and families should retain the power to make decisions, and where common agreement or collective action is desirable, it should be incorporated into a wide number of institutions, each with a narrow scope of authority, operating as much as is practical independently from the others.

    The difference between the individual and the nation IS the key difference.

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    ... and there it is. Fantasy good guy US president, an emancipator, not just an imperialist scumbag tool like all his predecessors, swoops in, saves the day. Nice. The Trump of which you speak must wear a cape and his underwear on the outside, and navigates by way of his glowing Sacred Heart. That's Supertrump, and his pit vipers Bolton and Abrams, swooping in to make sure that the people of Venezuela get the profits of the sale of that national Venezuelan resource, oil... hey, wait a minuto!
    Trump is most certainly not like his predecessors and that's precisely the reason the MSN are desperately trying to get rid of him. Yes, he is a globalist but not for the current corrupt Banker backed economic system based on funny money, drug money, war and global crime in general. He is certainly on record as saying that the US policy of regime change must end. He is backed by the Corporatocracy who's economic model is based on trade and creating something tangible.

    As Bill Ryan says, if the media hate him so much, he is obviously a good guy!

    I suggest you listen to Daniel Estulin (Russian Think Tank adviser to both the US and Putin) if you want to understand how Trump is attempting to genuinely change US policy and introduce a new economic model to the world. If he doesn't succeed and is replaced by the likes of the old order as represented by Hillary Clinton, the only solution the Bankers have to an impossible several quadrillion worldwide debt is nuclear war.

    So, we need SuperTrump and his cape to survive and win if we are to have any hope of a future...

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    So, why are the same concepts of taking care of one another in our families and friend circles suddenly frightening when applied to a wider circle of people?)
    Because that's exactly what is to be feared -- consolidation of power.
    Good point both of you. Let me add my two cents. Socialism is good and not to be feared on a bigger scale if the people will learn how to be responsible and not have faith, or at least have faith based on transparency to the governing authority. And the governing authority should not have any power over the police or the police should be totally dissolve and arm the people. I recon the big majority of people 99% are good. How is the 1% going to win if armed equally. As of now implementation of new systems is impossible without first defeating and rounding up the 1%. This is where we should focus right now. Any consolidation of power whether its named socialist imperialist democracy not identified with Russia and China is of the globalist and should be shunned

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    As Bill Ryan says, if the media hate him so much, he is obviously a good guy!

    .
    That use to be the trick but not anymore. you see profiling is constantly at work and innovating follow its footprints. Maybe the majority of Americans now are aware of the lies of the media. so the media is acting in a different manner. You need to be one step ahead than one step behind one step is all it takes. "Lets hate Trump so much so that the people who are now aware of our garbage will think that Trump is not on our side".

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    Believe what you want. You are free to decide what is good and bad.
    Its more of what you believe than mine. My family is not in Venezuela.

    I think Paul, sum up the whole situation very accurately. God help Venezuela. The battle ground between the two mammoth force on the planet is now in your place. I'm taking the side of China and Russia in any case. They dont have a record of deliberately destroying nations such as this one.
    I beg to differ with China - where's Tibet, Hong Kong, the real Mongolia nowadays, (soon to consume the rest of South East Asia as they have tried to in the past) - have you seen the crazy new silk road initiatives? Pumping and dumping and cutting deals with corrupt governments with fake loans and forcing them to repay the debt incurred by infrastructure projects in South East Asia leaving the peasants continually destitute without any land compensation? Have you seen their housing developments in Africa? What about the take over of all the Philippines' waters? All these horrendous things by taking the same pages out of the Confessions of an Economic Hitman book.
    Lets say china has its own demons I'll say its about 10% of what's with the globalist. Have you seen the map of the military bases of US globalist around China and Russia. Would not it be a dire need for them to to make a buffer zone. Do you remember when did China start claiming forcefully territories belonging to Philippines? Its only recently at the peak of the tension. They need a buffer zone. No I am not against China claiming Philippine territory In fact I welcome them and will assist in anyway I can. Its for world security indirectly. But the China must return it afterwards I mean after Globalist defeat,

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    Oh, I fully assume Maduro is about to be ousted or killed. Once the "Americans" have it all wrapped up in Venezuela and have installed their temporary "interim" puppet, they will be forced to have another election. If the published election results were anywhere close to correct, and if the "Chavista Movement"/Bolivarian Revolution has anywhere near the real support that it appears to have, the American Globalists are going to have a problem. What if the new election results show that a different person (let's assume they "Noriega" Maduro) wins, that is socialist. Then what? What if more than 51% of the voters keep choosing socialism? Will the Globalist Mobsters, er, I mean the United States accept it? hahahahaha We all know the answer. Somehow, miraculously, the election results will be a victory for the Globalist Mobsters, and shortly thereafter, the USA, INC. will be "managing" the oil, you know, as a favor to Venezuela. Globalist Privateers, coming your way, Venezuela, and don't worry, socialism and democracy will be crushed as well. The Americanos can multitask.


    pssssssst: The USA, INC. is a (or the) top-tier NWO Globalist mobster family. The US government has been completely taken over by mobsters. It is not US citizens. We US citizens have absolutely no control over anything that happens in either foreign or domestic policy. It makes no difference what we citizens think, we can't do anything. All we can do is to warn you, even though it probably is moot to warn you - you probably can't do anything either.

    These mobsters have been coveting, and scheming towards, Venezuela's oil, the largest reserve of oil known in the world. Now there is an opening, an angle to cover their crimes, and blood in the water. Maybe some of the Venezuelan middle to upper (financial) class people don't care at all about the oil revenues - they don't see themselves as recipients, only the poor are the recipients. So, maybe they don't care and will unroll the red carpet for the globalists to come in and "bring law and order" down to the colony. Get things back to the way they were. Make Venezuela great again. Let Exxon have the oil, who cares, right?

    But, for those Venezuelans that care about ALL Venezuelans: If you were walking and about to step near a poisonous viper, I'd try my best to warn you.

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    Chavez Was a Formidable Opponent to US Imperialism

    The US plans to overthrow Chavez I'm sure have been many more than we hear about, and there's a profound possibility his cancer was induced by CIA/Mossad operatives.
    It's standard procedure, along with,
    • heart attacks
    • getting suicided
    • plane crashes,
    ...and the like.
    Chavez was supposed to have been taken out after the staged 9/11 event as one Rockefeller confided to Aaron Russo, who also suspiciously died of an aggressive cancer after he blew the whistle on all this.

    Here's Russo's talk to an interviewer...

    Listen all the way through, it's one of the greatest exposes of the cold, calculated elite mindset you'll see from a first hand encounter and specifically mentions their designs for Venezuela:


    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    [...]
    Regarding how the Rockefeller-engineered coup in Guatemala was intended, Howard Hunt says:
    “What we wanted to do was have a terror campaign...to terrify Arbenz particularly, and his troops, much as the German Stuppabombers [Stukas] terrified the population of Holland, Belgium, and Poland at the onset of WWII and just rendered everybody paralyzed.” [Reminds me of “Shock and Awe” in Iraq].
    It was as if the CIA had been created at the end of WWII precisely to allow those Americans who funded/profited from Nazi violation of human rights to continue their reign of death, terror, and enslavement. President Truman later said, “Had I known the CIA would become the American Gestapo, I never would have signed it into existence!”

    [...]
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    These mobsters have been coveting, and scheming towards, Venezuela's oil, the largest reserve of oil known in the world.
    Ron Paul, on The Liberty Report, agrees.

    The US Neocons and oil interests (rhymes with Rockefeller) are hell bent on destroying the arrangements that Venezuela has made with China and Russia to trade Venezuela's oil for investment in Venezuela's economy and petro industry, and instead insuring that US Petro companies have that business.

    So ... it seems to me:
    • that Chavez was notoriously non-compliant with the American imperialists,
    • that covert US Neocon operators killed Chavez,
    • that Maduro is a populist, sometimes thuggish, follow on to Chavez,
    • that Maduro (and perhaps Chavez earlier?) had been developing stronger connections with China and Russia,
    • that the US had been actively working behind the scenes to destroy the economy of Venezuela,
    • that many Venezuelans really and legitimately want Maduro out of there, and
    • that the US Neocons are energizing and leveraging this crisis in Venezuela to regain control over it.
    We're seeing the culmination of a many year effort by US Neocons to rape and pillage yet another nation.

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    Awkward: Max Blumenthal confronts lawmakers on what America's doing in Venezuela - 'Are we meddling?'

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    US members of Congress freeze, fumble and deliver bewildering answers to award-winning journalist Max Blumenthal as he asks Capitol Hill politicians what they think of the US' open support for Venezuela's opposition.

    Many members of the US Congress are greatly concerned by supposed 'Russian meddling' in American affairs. But what do they think about Washington openly getting behind the opposition in Venezuela? In a video, published on his website, the Grayzone Project, Blumenthal asked lawmakers just that.

    The politicians were visibly caught off guard by pretty simple and straightforward questions. Several lawmakers couldn't provide a definitive answer to whether the US public support for opposition leader Juan Guaido could be considered 'meddling' in a foreign nation's affairs.

    "Haven't thought about that," a baffled lawmaker was heard saying when asked how he would react if Russia recognized House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as president of the US.

    Washington did something similar to that last week, when President Donald Trump recognized the speaker of Venezuela's opposition-controlled parliament, Guaido, as the legitimate leader of the country.

    Some, like Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez outright refused to answer questions on Venezuela, saying she is "working on a response." Others denied that the wholesale US support for Guaido against President Nicolas Maduro constitutes 'meddling,' albeit failing to coherently explain why.

    "I think we're just supporting the people and supporting what they are deciding needs to happen, and so I think it's good of us since we are the bastion of freedom," Vicky Hartzler, a Republican from Missouri, stated.

    Her Democratic colleague, Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut, was passionate about protecting Robert Mueller's probe into the so-called 'Trump-Russia collusion.' When asked about meddling in Venezuela, she mumbled: "I don't know. There's been a lot against Maduro, who's awful."

    Only Missouri Democrat Lacy Clay said that the US policy in South America and the Caribbean is "something we should not be proud of." He opposed the "embargo" on Caracas because its people "will suffer more." However, even he wasn't sure whether it was "good meddling or not," saying that Venezuela wasn't his "issue."

    Alongside the US, Juan Guaido was recognized as the interim president of Venezuela by a majority of South American countries, including neighboring Colombia and Brazil. France, Spain and Germany vowed to follow suit unless Nicolas Maduro calls a snap election. Their ultimatum was firmly rejected by Maduro. States including Russia, China, Iran and Turkey continue to recognize Maduro as the democratically elected leader of Venezuela.
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    One said "The fact is that people are starving in an oil rich nation."

    I thought, well hell, there are people here starving, in an oil rich nation.

    I can't believe those liars and goons are in charge.
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    We're seeing the culmination of a many year effort by US Neocons to rape and pillage yet another nation.
    This Lew Rockwell article spells out in considerably more detail the effort by the US to build up Juan Guaidó, destabilize Venezuela, and regain control of its natural resources, especially oil: The Making of Juan Guaidó: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader.

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