A theory of kidneys, high blood pressure and toxins (Bonus: how I'm treating an infected tooth)

[Bubu]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
I think a big belly sitting on top of those kidneys is what puts the pressure on them to rise your BP and your heart rate to compensate much the same as your BP and heart rate rise when you have to go to the bath room pretty badly. Get rid of the belly weight off the kidneys and you just may be able to stop taking one or more of the pills you take now to control your BP. This was the case for me and also the fact that all my life without my knowing it I never emptied my bladder the way normal people do.

I could have 800 ml of urine in me and not even know I had to go to the rest room because my body gave me no sensation to have to go. As a result my BP was for all my life borderline high even when in the prime of life playing basketball daily at semi-pro. This because I was always carrying around excess urine never even knowing it. The fact is that once I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and they put a catheter in me for about ten days after the biopsy to detect it ( could not go naturally due to swelling after the surgery biopsy) suddenly my BP was normal due to now emptying my bladder likely for the first time in my life and I didn't have to take my BP pills! When I did take them they lowered my BP too much and I got faint!

Anyway, many factors contribute to blood pressure readings including what is going on between the ears at any given time.

Interesting, since in a close system of dynamic fluid its almost always the filtering system that causes the pressure to get high. But then I recall that human nerves is different because its alive and dynamic meaning it changes constantly there is possibility of clogging contracting or hardening, so is the blood alive and dynamic.

I'm sure Micheal Phelps have lifeblood that are big and strong able to carry double the amount of oxygen for the body.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
I think a big belly sitting on top of those kidneys is what puts the pressure on them to rise your BP and your heart rate to compensate much the same as your BP and heart rate rise when you have to go to the bath room pretty badly. Get rid of the belly weight off the kidneys and you just may be able to stop taking one or more of the pills you take now to control your BP. This was the case for me and also the fact that all my life without my knowing it I never emptied my bladder the way normal people do.

Whatever you did to get rid of a big belly had other health benefits, resulting in lowered blood pressure (BP).

But the mechanism of improvement is likely not a simple matter of belly weight. For example, my systolic BP, on waking, varied by over 40 points in the last couple of months, as the success of my treating the oral infection varied. My body weight and belly size did not change much at all during that time.

I had no BP pills to stop taking. I've never taken one.

[Ratszinger]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
I think a big belly sitting on top of those kidneys is what puts the pressure on them to rise your BP and your heart rate to compensate much the same as your BP and heart rate rise when you have to go to the bath room pretty badly. Get rid of the belly weight off the kidneys and you just may be able to stop taking one or more of the pills you take now to control your BP. This was the case for me and also the fact that all my life without my knowing it I never emptied my bladder the way normal people do.

Whatever you did to get rid of a big belly had other health benefits, resulting in lowered blood pressure (BP).

But the mechanism of improvement is likely not a simple matter of belly weight. For example, my systolic BP, on waking, varied by over 40 points in the last couple of months, as the success of my treating the oral infection varied. My body weight and belly size did not change much at all during that time.

I had no BP pills to stop taking. I've never taken one.

My doctor told me it was documented fact that big bellies and the weight of all that on the kidneys was due to my high BP so I dropped the belly. It was still borderline high even after though and that was due to the fact I never emptied my bladder as I should have been or thought that I was. I would not have known but even before the surgery when I was in for the ultra sound to scan my kidneys and my bladder my bladder was full even though I just went to the rest room before hand. The girl doing the exam could not believe I had no sensation to go. This alone raises the BP so yeah other factors were involved in my BP reading for sure. I have all my teeth. I worked in dentistry all my life so tooth problems are not something I deal with at all. I floss more than I brush and always have. I know a lot about teeth, I mean I did graduate dental school as did my wife and who still had her license up to 2015 but we both retired from it in 2002. I've never heard of any of the treatments you prescribe here Paul. They don't teach those in dental school.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
I've never heard of any of the treatments you prescribe here Paul. They don't teach those in dental school.

As I figured .

[RunningDeer]

My ex-husband had a root canal done by a specialist and then went to his regular dentist for the cap. As he told it, the infection was so bad the dentist and hygienist backed away when he went to replace the temporary cap with a permanent one. It wasn’t long after he ended up in the hospital with a full body infection. (I forget the medical term - Septicemia, or sepsis, is the clinical name for blood poisoning by bacteria?) It was so touch and go for him that all his kids flew in.

He pulled through and finished his recuperation in a rehab facility for another 6-8 weeks. He never was the same after that. His memory was dull. He was down to skin and bones, and aged about 20 years.

Less than two years later, he passed. He had battled with Lyme’s disease for years and waited out the pain as per usual. Long story short, it was cancer not Lyme’s. The doctor gave him a couple of months and he died a little over a week later.

It's possible the Lyme’s disease was the underlying reason the body didn't heal from the root canal. I had two root canals done in the early 1980's. Knowing what I know today, I wouldn't go that route.

I use “Oralive” toothpaste. It's so effective, I switched my dental cleansing from twice a year to once a year. And even then the dental hygienist doesn’t need a lot of time to remove the plaque and clean them. I'm big on flossing!

PS Paul, if this is off-topic or comes across as fear mongering, feel free to modify/delete.

[Flash]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
I've never heard of any of the treatments you prescribe here Paul. They don't teach those in dental school.

As I figured .

my natural biological dentist suggested the following, once infection is gone, to keep any disease away;

always floss
brush your teeth for 3 months in a rwo with a mix or half water/half peroxyde food grade. Dip your tooth brush in it and then dip the brush in baking soda. And brush. it should keep infections and gum disease pretty much away.

then give a break, 3 months with water and baking soda only.

then start again with peroxyde mostly is gums are bleeding.

Works wonder

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Flash (here)
my natural biological dentist suggested the following, once infection is gone, to keep any disease away;

always floss
brush your teeth for 3 months in a rwo with a mix or half water/half peroxyde food grade. Dip your tooth brush in it and then dip the brush in baking soda. And brush. it should keep infections and gum disease pretty much away.

then give a break, 3 months with water and baking soda only.

then start again with peroxyde mostly is gums are bleeding.

Works wonder

That reminded me of this Q&A I copied, but haven't tried it.

How can I whiten my teeth in 2 weeks?

Combine 2 teaspoons of hydrogen peroxide with 1 teaspoon of baking soda and gently brush your teeth with the mixture. Limit the use of this homemade paste to a few times per week, as overuse can erode your tooth enamel.

Bottom Line: Hydrogen peroxide is a natural bleaching agent and can kill bacteria in your mouth.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
A friend had a root canal done and then went to his regular dentist for the cap. As the friend tells it, the infection was so bad the dentist and hygienist backed away when he went to replace the temp with a permanent one. It wasn’t long after that he ended up in the hospital with an full body infection. (I forget the medical term - septicemia?) It was touch and go that his kids flew in.
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Less than two years later, he passed. He had battled with lyme’s disease for years and waited out the pain as per usual. Long story short, they gave him a couple of months and he died a little over a week later.

It's possible the lyme’s disease was the underlying reason the body didn't heal from the root canal. I had two done in the early 1980's. Today, I wouldn't go that route.
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PS Paul, if this is off-topic or comes across as fear mongering, feel free to modify/delete.

Yes - such health issues can be major, sometimes deadly, problems, and your post is very much on topic for this thread.

One of the books that I am currently reading, The Silent Saboteurs - Unmasking Our Own Oral Spirochetes, by William Nordquist and David Krutchkoff, goes into this problem in considerably more detail. The spirochetes suspected to cause Lyme's disease are apparently the same spirochetes that are found in most significant dental infections (whether visible at or above the gum line, or unfelt and unseen near the root of an already dead tooth.)

As I wrote somewhere earlier in this thread, "tooth and other oral (periodontal -- of the tissues around the tooth) disease are by some accounts the most prevalent, persistent, and pernicious source of major chronic illnesses and associated deaths, including coronary and cerebral artery diseases, cancers and Alzheimer's."

I should have included lyme's disease in my list of such diseases.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
I use “Oralive” toothpaste. It's so effective, I switched my dental cleansing from twice a year to once a year. And even then the dental hygienist doesn’t need a lot of time to remove the plaque and clean them. I'm big on flossing!

That looks like a most excellent tooth paste.

Currently I've been using Earthpaste the last few years, though I cannot blame Earthpaste for my dental problems, as it is not effective if left sitting on the counter unused for days at a time. I've also just started experimenting with LivFresh, which is a new (and a bit pricey) way to dissolve plaque.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Paul (here)
Yes - such health issues can be major, sometimes deadly, problems, and your post is very much on topic for this thread.

One of the books that I am currently reading, The Silent Saboteurs - Unmasking Our Own Oral Spirochetes, by William Nordquist and David Krutchkoff, goes into this problem in considerably more detail. The spirochetes suspected to cause Lyme's disease are apparently the same spirochetes that are found in most significant dental infections (whether visible at or above the gum line, or unfelt and unseen near the root of an already dead tooth.)

As I wrote somewhere earlier in this thread, "tooth and other oral (periodontal -- of the tissues around the tooth) disease are by some accounts the most prevalent, persistent, and pernicious source of major chronic illnesses and associated deaths, including coronary and cerebral artery diseases, cancers and Alzheimer's."

I should have included lyme's disease in my list of such diseases.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
I use “Oralive” toothpaste. It's so effective, I switched my dental cleansing from twice a year to once a year. And even then the dental hygienist doesn’t need a lot of time to remove the plaque and clean them. I'm big on flossing!

That looks like a most excellent tooth paste.

Currently I've been using Earthpaste the last few years, though I cannot blame Earthpaste for my dental problems, as it is not effective if left sitting on the counter unused for days at a time. I've also just started experimenting with LivFresh, which is a new (and a bit pricey) way to dissolve plaque.

I’ll check out the book. My wish list has expanded. It’s my new approach to book purchases.

A while back I took your suggestion and purchased “Holistic Tooth Powder”. I was trying to figure out ways to cut the budget. It didn’t keep my teeth as white. So rather than waste it, I switched back and forth with the Oralive. I figured it’s best to stick with what works for me. (The taste is better too.)

[Bubu]

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Posted by Flash (here)


Don't "fix" the pancreas to shout "Store More!" (make more insulin). Don't inject more insulin.

Cut the damn sugars! Dramatically lower them. (Advice to self; I am my doctor, not yours.) Sugar and other such easily digested carbohydrates) are not an essential nutrient. You need zero sugar in your diet. [/url].

I hope you'll have time to watch your sugars all the time. I however have no time for that so I keep every part of the body in top shape. In spite of all I still can eat lots of sugary foods but still keep my health in top shape. Family members have been following my example for a reason. And I am aware that at least two of them are reading post here one is a member and you know that. So really there is no reason for me to lie. I'm exceptionally healthy despite the loads of sugar. Glad I dont have to deprive myself of the best tasting foods and be in shape.

[Ratszinger]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
A friend had a root canal done and then went to his regular dentist for the cap. As the friend tells it, the infection was so bad the dentist and hygienist backed away when he went to replace the temp with a permanent one. It wasn’t long after that he ended up in the hospital with an full body infection. (I forget the medical term - septicemia?) It was so touch and go that his kids flew in.

He pulled through and finished his recuperation in a rehab facility for another 6-8 weeks. He never was the same after that. His memory was dull. He was skin and bones and aged about 20 years.

Less than two years later, he passed. He had battled with lyme’s disease for years and waited out the pain as per usual. Long story short, they gave him a couple of months and he died a little over a week later.

It's possible the lyme’s disease was the underlying reason the body didn't heal from the root canal. I had two done in the early 1980's. Today, I wouldn't go that route.

I use “Oralive” toothpaste. It's so effective, I switched my dental cleansing from twice a year to once a year. And even then the dental hygienist doesn’t need a lot of time to remove the plaque and clean them. I'm big on flossing!

PS Paul, if this is off-topic or comes across as fear mongering, feel free to modify/delete.

The root canal didn't kill him. The infection he got that led to the abscess that caused the need for a root canal killed him because he went to the dentist too late to prevent the infection from spreading to other parts of his body. So even though the dentist did what they could the infection was already affecting other parts of his body. My uncle had a life time fear of dentists> he didn't even trust me or my wife to work on his teeth or touch him. The truth is he was a big baby when it came to dentists and that fear killed him in his early 60s because of a abscess infection that spread and went straight to his heart. Once an infection gets into your lymph system you waited too long. This is why periodic xrays should be done in a yearly exam. See the roots and note the condition. People are out there running around with abscesses in their mouth and don't even know it many times until an xray reveals the bubble infection at the apex of the root tip. This is localized infection if caught early and no risk to your life yet but just a risk for the pulp and nerve center of the tooth involved or teeth if the case involves the other adjacent root. Waiting however is a death sentence. It's just a matter of time before the pressure builds and then it bursts that bubble and the infection then spreads right into the blood stream.

There are all kinds of blood channels in the mouth for an infection to spread. It's not rocket science. When you have pressure built up in your mouth because of an abscess that has formed that pressure is what is causing the pain from that bubble containing the infection. As that bubble abscess grows the pressure builds and it's rather sad that so many come to their dentist in pain already because they let this build up to that point that it now pains them greatly to the point they seek relief. The problem is the only way I can relieve your pain is with an injection to try to make you numb but guess what? Due to the fact that this injection just adds to the pressure you are already experiencing any shot I give you will send you through the roof in even greater pain! Then of course you blame me or your dentist for your pain when it truth it's operator error on the part of the patient.

You didn't take the proper precautions. Preventive health care involves cleaning your teeth properly after you eat. Most don't do that. I know dental professionals, dentists that neglect their teeth but like anything its about learning how, and then doing it. We start drawing social security in May this year and I still have all my teeth. Floss and brush and if you don't know how there are videos to teach you how to do that. All you need to keep your mouth healthy is dental floss and baking soda and a tooth brush. For that matter you don't need even the baking soda you can use just water by itself and rinse with Listerine or Scope or something else you like Mann's breath deodorant but be advised if you spray Mann's breath deodorant before driving and get pulled over you will fail a breath test and the police will be sure you are drunk beyond the limit! At least for a few minutes after. ( We know we tested this in a high school when cops were giving a talk that day also)

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
…running around with abscesses in their mouth and don't even know it many times until an xray reveals the bubble infection at the apex of the root tip. This is localized infection if caught early and no risk to your life yet but just a risk for the pulp and nerve center of the tooth involved or teeth if the case involves the other adjacent root…

Thank you for the info, Ratszinger. I’ve opted for an x-ray every other year. I’ll change it to yearly.

Have you heard of “oil pulling”? I’ve gotten away from the daily routine, but it did whiten my teeth. (coffee drinker) I use Spectrum Organic Coconut Oil, rather than 1T and swish for 15-20 minutes, I use about 2t and swish 5-10 minutes.

All you need to keep your mouth healthy is dental floss and baking soda and a tooth brush. For that matter you don't need even the baking soda you can use just water by itself and rinse with Listerine or Scope…

I learned early on that my body couldn’t tolerate products like Listerine. It caused break outs around my mouth. I’m wary of over the counter products. There’s a lot of crap mixed in with the good. Fair skinned people with blue or green eyes, blonde or red hair tend to have greater sensitivities to: 1) certain foods such as eggs and wheat 2) additives in products 3) environmental allergens like pollens and mold spores. 98% of those problems cleared when I switched to organic, whole foods and eliminated the stress. I'd say stress is #1 for most of us. I don’t monitor what I eat when I’m with others. There was a period when I not only had to use two different inhalers for asthma, but also a nebulizer machine. Now, there’s zero symptoms.

We start drawing social security in May this year and I still have all my teeth.

I’ve gone a bit off topic and will end with an early congratulation to you, your wife and all your teeth.

Minus my wisdom teeth, I’ve got all but one molar in the back. And I still have one baby molar. (I’m coming up on 69.) Like me, she’s here for the ride all the way to the end.

Again, thanks for your points of view.

♡

[Ratszinger]

I'll tell you all a secret about cracked lips and angular cheilitis and that is many times when these break outs occur it is easier cured by nothing other than ample amounts of pure clean drinking water. Most of these break outs in my experience are smokers and they are simply dehydrated from smoking. Soda, coffee and these things dehydrate you more so pure drinking water daily is a must if you have these things happen a lot in your life. It may be that it is simply you are not taking in enough water to keep your cells healthy.

Pot smokers especially are prone to this and the symptoms for over indulgence of pot are much the same as those you'd experience if you rented a pedal float bike at the beach in Florida and went out all day in the sun on the ocean. You'd have cramps, and all the same symptoms of heat stroke or 'smoke stroke' because anyone that has smoked pot knows it's very easy to over do it because it's so smooth you don't realize how much smoke you put into your body.

If you over heat the cells of your body beyond the threshold to which they can recover whether it be by being in the hot sun all day on the ocean or smoking up all day and all week the body responds the same way to that overwhelming dry out. Once it affects enough of your body to cause it to react the only solution is to put back in the water you dehydrated out.

Listerine kills yeast and oral thrush is a yeast that grows in the mouth, particularly in smokers, and those on drugs like Advaire for asthma that is known for bringing this on. When that burning and cracking is evident in use it could be the fact you have some thrush growing in the mouth and once it's dead from hydrating yourself and using that listerine or scope the burning goes away. Suddenly you find out you can leave the stuff in and swish a lot more without pain.

It's really important to keep enough water circulating in your body and if you make note to do that swishing all day is also a good way to wash off the teeth so nothing sits in the same place as long as it need to start eating a hole in your enamel.

Speaking of the enamel the tubules of enamel are opened up when you bleach or polish so doing this can not just thin the enamel layer down (which never grows back) but continued use of these products will make your teeth hyper sensitive to heat and cold. I have never once bleached my teeth. I would not recommend it unless you just have to have a special smile for the camera or something once in a great while. It really can cause more damage than people think, and not just to the teeth but the gums also.

Sugar is the enemy. Bacteria are alive and well in the human mouth. A human bite is far worse and far more dangerous than a dog or cat bite! Your mouth is far dirtier than theirs and that is easily proven under a microscope. This bacteria loves sugar. It will feed on it and then crap all over your teeth and that crap is acid! That acid takes but six to eight hours to start eating it's way through your enamel. Rinsing is a great way to reduce this until you can brush or floss but don't rinse with sugar soda. People are always giving their kids Coke and I cringe each time. They have no idea how much that Coke is really going to end up costing them but don't get me started. :-)

I'm glad someone appreciates the info. I'm just trying to save you all some hassle and some money.

[ThePythonicCow]

I just posted a recent, and quite well done, documentary on the harms that root canal treatments cause, over at Root Canals Cause of Many Degenerative Diseases -- Post #19.

It's worth a look, for anyone who has not already decided they are firmly against root canals.

[Justplain]

This is a very interesting thread, Paul. Everyone's comments appear to be generally on topic as well as entertaining and informative.

Funny, regarding teeth, I have gotten away from dentists because of expense and the constant desire for drilling. My family has found that many cavities start around fillings, so I don't think that the approach works very well.

I floss daily at days end, brush after flossing with a small amount of baking soda, then mouthwash/gargle with a small amount, drop or two, of MMS. The latter disinfects. This dental approach I basically picked up from some thread(s) on Avalon and seems to work.

Regarding lowering blood pressure, very good advise to reduce/eliminate sugar/junk or processed food. In addition, I went on a one day a week water fast, which always reduces pressure dramatically. I only use coversyl when I have to cover a very active day. Cholesterol I try to manage with niacin, tho I get the niacin 'burn', which is a slight burning sensation for a few minutes after ingestion. Last blood test my bad cholesterol was sort of hi normal, tho tolerable.

I instinctively follow your general approach to health issues, Paul, doing our own research before using allopathic input. My wife is better at that than I, but it has helped both of our health and saved my mother-in-law's life more than once.

Great thread. Fun reading. Thanks to all those contributing.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Justplain (here)
Cholesterol I try to manage with niacin, tho I get the niacin 'burn', which is a slight burning sensation for a few minutes after ingestion. Last blood test my bad cholesterol was sort of hi normal, tho tolerable.

This chap, Dave Feldman, has an interesting take on how to read blood lipid profiles. Quite a bit of the talk is involved with this, but the graphic at the 14:33 mark is the key take away.

He's finding, in the data that he's collecting online from many volunteer participants, that HIGH HDL, LOW Triglycerides, is the key to shoot for, and that the LDL number means little either way. He also explains the biochemistry behind this finding.

(Or maybe I just like him because I ended up in the upper-left Green quadrant, by his metric. <grin>)

He's a good speaker in any case:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R0nS8yxQ90E

Dave Feldman - 'Interpreting Common Low Carb Lipid Profiles'

[Flash]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Justplain (here)
Cholesterol I try to manage with niacin, tho I get the niacin 'burn', which is a slight burning sensation for a few minutes after ingestion. Last blood test my bad cholesterol was sort of hi normal, tho tolerable.

This chap, Dave Feldman, has an interesting take on how to read blood lipid profiles. Quite a bit of the talk is involved with this, but the graphic at the 14:33 mark is the key take away.

He's finding, in the data that he's collecting online from many volunteer participants, that HIGH HDL, LOW Triglycerides, is the key to shoot for, and that the LDL number means little either way. He also explains the biochemistry behind this finding.

(Or maybe I just like him because I ended up in the upper-left Green quadrant, by his metric. <grin>)

He's a good speaker in any case:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R0nS8yxQ90E

Dave Feldman - 'Interpreting Common Low Carb Lipid Profiles'

haven't seen the video but it makes sense, HDL having a repair function while triglycerides are the sand paper braking the arteries wall for example.

[Pam]

Paul, can we have an update on the tooth and toothache? I don't know how you can stand to deal with tooth pain on a long term basis. That is one of the worst types of pain in my book.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by peterpam (here)
Paul, can we have an update on the tooth and toothache? I don't know how you can stand to deal with tooth pain on a long term basis. That is one of the worst types of pain in my book.

I'm not suffering much pain ... that's not a problem.

I am presently continuing the ameliorations (nascent iodine, ozone, vitamin C, ... ) discussed above, while I shop around for a suitable dentist. The restoration will be complicated (both medically and financially) and will take several years, so I'm taking my time to find the best dentist, the one most suited to my technical requirements, while most comfortable putting up with my bull headed "doing it my way" attitude.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
Dave Feldman - 'Interpreting Common Low Carb Lipid Profiles'

I may have inadvertantly confirmed something else that Dave Feldman said. At the 25:16 mark, he says he's finding that a minority of low carb people who are also coffee drinkers, especially those who have loved their coffee for many years, may have a coffee sensitivity, which shows up as elevated triglycerides. Recall as I noted in Post #36 above that HIGH HDL, LOW Triglycerides, is the key to shoot for,

Some low carbers, especially "coffee addicts", can't get their triglyceride numbers down until they go off coffee for say ten days.

I've had other reasons to doubt coffee over the last few years, such as feeling more tired, not less, if I go back to drinking coffee. But thankfully my selective memory forgets this after a while and I return to drinking coffee. Not much, just a cup or two per day, much less than when I was seriously coding, but still noticeable.

I started enjoying a good cup of coffee again a couple of weeks ago, and soon the easy metrics I was tracking, my sleep, my blood pressure on waking each morning, my alertness and fluidity of movement, and my typing error rate on keyboards, started to get worse again.

The effect of all the various compounds in coffee on the body and how these are digested by the liver and kidneys is not well understood. Also the coffee industry is quite talented at supporting studies that show that coffee helps one live longer and healthier ... they might not be unbiased here?

Damn - I might have to actually move my coffee to the closet, to remind me next time that it might not be such a good idea.

My simpleton's explanation is that somehow coffee puts some additional workload on the kidneys, and that my kidneys are already working overtime to keep up with the toxic load from my dental infections.