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    Hi I'm not one of these people who share all the stats and the long details. I have so like I wanted to ask a question about handing out your fingers to the USA to keep when passing over into the Airports immigration system. What are people's opinions stay away or chance it? Finger prints being taken....

    I'm someone who does not give out any personal details as much as I can. I have a particular worry about finger printing and scanning the eyes. To me the scanning the eyes are to the soul but I~'m half okay with that side.

    It's just I'm an innocent individual who does not fancy having my finger prints held for a later date somewhere in the usa system. I know your answer will be then don't come and then that's is fine... I won't lol.

    So I just wondered what people's opinions where so to speak. I'm from UK so I'll be going through customs for the first time and I wondered what goes on that is can it be avoided or not?
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    I can't answer your question, Angel, except to say I believe they know who everyone is anyway and if they want your fingerprints, dna or blood, they have ample opportunities over a lifetime to get them.

    I refuse to let them keep me away from gathering with like minded people.
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    I don't trust their scanning machines.
    I refuse to go through them.
    If everyone did likewise they would be forced to eliminate them.
    They don't have the staff nor time to fondle each and every passenger for 5+ minutes.

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    They have facial recognition in many airports now, Cuba and Montreal airports have it, road US customs have it , etc. I do not see much why people have to be fondle. With the tech, it has become une essary. It is getting scary the control they have.

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    In my opinion the most important thing to keep in mind about US airport security is it is all a sham, meant more to condition people for a police state than to actually make them safe. The TSA was created and justified by 9/11, which most now know was a false flag. The backscatter machines don’t do their job and weapons are easily passed through while you get irradiated. They love to fondle your privates and make you feel like a terrorist carrying explosives in your shampoo bottle.
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    I can't answer your question, Angel, except to say I believe they know who everyone is anyway and if they want your fingerprints, dna or blood, they have ample opportunities over a lifetime to get them.
    1000% agreed. If the US wants to know anything about you they'll simply ask the nanny state that is the UK.
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    LOL I absolutely love your comment lol. So true!!!!! thank you that made me laugh.
    I think from my spiritual experiences they already know who I am but I'm fighting them in everyway but the ID thing is too much for me but I so want to go to a certain part of the states so it better be worth the visit.
    What do they do now in Canada? are they as bad as the USA or are they fingerless friendly. lol

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    Haha no problem.

    Honestly if I were you I'd just call and ask the protocol. Tell them you don't wanna do fingerprint/eyescanner etc and see what they say.

    When I traveled outside US I didn't have to do eyescanner but I think I had to do thumbprint for my passport.
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    Quote Posted by Angels1981 (here)
    What do they do now in Canada? are they as bad as the USA or are they fingerless friendly. lol
    They aren't as bad as the U.S. I don't think any country in the world is as bad as the U.S. at their airports.
    I've flown to quite a few.
    Canadian airport security personnel aren't any friendlier to those without fingers ("fingerless friendly") as they are to those with fingers.

    I went through security at Toronto's Pearson Intl. airport just before Christmas last year and I didn't have to go through any scanners!
    No fondling either!
    They did make me take off my shoes and belt though.
    Much less stress there than in the U.S.

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    Quote Posted by Angels1981 (here)
    LOL I absolutely love your comment lol. So true!!!!! thank you that made me laugh.
    I think from my spiritual experiences they already know who I am but I'm fighting them in everyway but the ID thing is too much for me but I so want to go to a certain part of the states so it better be worth the visit.
    What do they do now in Canada? are they as bad as the USA or are they fingerless friendly. lol
    No way, Canadian customs are far far far from being as bad as USA ones. Very rare pading, they open your hand luggage in front of you and listen to what you say (ex: protein bars for diabetic - just said it and they let me through with it - would never happen in the USA.)

    If you are a Canadian, they do not finger print you at the US border, but if you are European, they do (they fingerprinted my maybe future son in law this summer). And everybody else.

    They scream at you at the US border (I have never seen this with the Canadians nor elsewhere, got the impression to be in the old Soviet Union at times).

    But if you go to a burial, US custom are nice.
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    Gulps. I'm not sure if I want to do it to be honest. I just really feel I know what they are doing it for anyways and I've skipped them so much until now. dum dum dum!!!
    I'm English not European per say. lol. I am fine with Canadian customs they seem to be okay. However, the USA ones it's the finger printing collection they love to keep that turns me green. They break down the trust and tell people that everyone is a suspect. REALLY wow...

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    I recommend for you to go for it, take the trip.

    That being said, keep in mind the fun you will have at your destination as you grind through the endless security. Expect delays and long queues / lines for security, expect it to take a long time, expect no humor. It's not really such a big deal, if you don't mind being treated like cattle or as a social experiment to train us for police state brutality, as has been mentioned.

    As for personal identity concerns, please realize, from birth you have been tracked, coded, recorded and filed. Unless of course you live an existence on 100% off the books cash, with no driving, no property, no mortgage, no bills, no bank account, no NI number and finally no passport with which to travel, would this be a problem or an issue.

    Your files, along with everyone else's can be accessed by any of the the five eyes at any time, including the US, for any pretext or reason. IF the US was interested to know more about you, via their pals at gchq, they would have their info in short order. In this scenario the US having your fingerprints and any other identifiable information should be the least of your concerns as they would be able to triangulate your whereabouts and activities and associates with ease. The US can do this today if it chose to, it dosen't matter if you visit the US ever or never.

    Just like any other sap level program of this nature, there would first need to be the will on the part of the US to open a dialog about you with gchq. If there is nothing about you for the US government to be interested in, then by all means travel, if however, you feel there could be cause for pause, then stay put. But either way, don't kid yourself, you are merely a few clicks away should they ever want to look at you in more detail.... N
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    I recommend for you to go for it, take the trip....
    Pretty much everything you said was true.

    But there are other reasons one might hesitate to go on a trip to the U.S. besides the fear or apprehension
    of going through all the security hassles at airports.

    One of these reasons might simply be boycotting the U.S. on principle.
    The principle of unwarranted searches, humiliation, stress, supporting the security companies who manufacture the scanning machines etc.

    If the trip isn't urgent or compulsory and another destination might suffice (say for a vacation etc.) avoidance of the U.S. should certainly be an option.
    It would send a message to those interested in tourist $$$.

    If enough people did likewise, someone somewhere may eventually begin to connect the dots and change their draconian practices.

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    They already know me as they have monitored me and I have fought like cat and dog with them. They are pure evil things and they don't like love.
    That is exactly my point not to go because I don't want to give them that satisfaction and I know they do NHS number and NI number and stuff I know too much and I am their radar. They are trying to put me to sleep and make it look as though I'm just me and that nothing I seen when I was attacked was real. I just not liking it they ram down your head that you're fear to try and break you when all I want to do is love.
    I love this place my Canadian friend wishes to take me too. I don't really want to go and do it so I need to tell her to bail on the idea. I'd rather stay off radar physically as much as possible. They think they are powerful but they are not. I am glad I'm free to that opinion on a site such as this.
    If you look at history with the Autwitz not sure if spelt right you can see the evil cattle range pile up even there so it's like. I can look at you tube and see the tourist highlights. lol. Thanks

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    Did he say " I have so like I wanted to ask a question about handing out " ...
    and not having any corectiiuvate as a small punishment even. wow congrats buddy !
    Maybe I dare to post something in this forum again ,not being restricted by word correcting terror.

    To answer your question Angels1981
    -If your heart is clear of guilt, and you truely belive in the bible(or likesome) , and there is no glimpse of a doubt in your eye while the laser scans it, and if your fingers have never touched any drug in your life , as they ARE going to digitaly print them! , you have nothing to fear entering the USA
    Oh Almost forgot, don'nt wear a band aid , watch this

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    The DHS Wants Mandatory Facial Scanning of All Visitors and, Eventually, Citizens

    by Daisy Luther

    The Department of Homeland Security is hard at work thinking of ways to make traveling miserable and invasive for the rest of us. And chances are good they aren’t planning to stop with travelers.

    The latest?

    They want to take the photographs of every person leaving and entering the US and store this biometric information in their databases. So whether you’re an American citizen or not, they’d like to invade your privacy for no reason other than you’re traveling outside the country.

    This law, if passed, is purported to aid in enforcing visa deadlines for foreign travelers who overstay.

    Don’t worry. The TSA just wants to enhance “aviation security and the passenger experience.”

    But biometric scanning is already used for foreign travelers.
    The thing is, foreign travelers entering the United States must already submit to being photographed, fingerprinted, and scanned.

    Federal law requires Homeland Security to put into place a system to use biometrics to confirm the identity of international travelers. Government officials have made no secret of their desire to expand the use of biometrics, which they say could identify potential terrorists and prevent fraudulent use of travel documents. (source)

    This leads to the question of why on earth Americans “need” to also be scanned.

    What reasons are they giving for photographing Americans, too?

    The DHS says that the new plan “would be part of a broader system to track travelers as they enter and exit the United States.”

    The Trump administration contends in its regulatory agenda that the face scan requirement will combat the fraudulent use of U.S. travel documents and aid the identification of criminals and suspected terrorists. (source)

    Biometric systems are already being rolled out. We reported months ago that the Atlanta airport had scanning devices set up (just to help you with speedy check-in, of course) although travelers could opt-out.

    When I flew into the United States last spring after taking Selco’s course in Bosnia, they had biometric scanning at Customs in the Dulles International Airport in Washington, DC. The agent said to me, “Put your face right here and don’t blink” as she pointed to a contraption that looked like something you’d see in an optometrist’s office.

    “What is this?” I asked, holding up the line.

    “It’s just an iris scan, ma’am. Put your face up to the device,” she answered with a barely concealed eye roll.

    “I don’t consent to sharing my biometric data,” I replied, expecting at any moment to be escorted away and cavity-searched. Instead, she sighed deeply, scanned my passport, and waved me through the line.

    However, if this new law passes, there will not be an option to opt-out.

    Privacy advocates are not happy about this.

    The ACLU is leading the charge against this newest invasion of privacy. Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the American Civil Liberties Union’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project wrote an excellent must-read essay resoundingly criticizing the move.

    Having “your face as your passport” might be very convenient when you’re at a government checkpoint. But we don’t want to have to “present our passport” at every turn in American society, including walking down the sidewalk. If we build a system that turns our faces into passports that anyone can scan and store at any time, that’s exactly what’s likely to happen.

    The TSA tries to argue that facial recognition has already been normalized thanks to technologies such as the iPhone X. But those who want to deploy controversial and invasive technologies are always quick to declare them “normalized” — and it is far too early to conclude that people will approve of these technologies. As I have argued before, people will always know the difference between facial recognition that is used by them and facial recognition that is used on them…

    In short, the TSA’s desire to go all-in on airport biometrics represents an enormous further investment in a misguided approach to airline security that paves the way for future expansions in the collection and use of personal data on passengers — including insidious new forms of threat scores, security rankings, blacklists, whitelists, etc. — all without necessarily improving security…

    …Identity-based security will increasingly have negative consequences, and pervasive facial recognition is both one of those consequences and a way of opening the door to others. (source)

    In other words, we’re on the slipperiest of slippery slopes. For those of you who object to flying, don’t expect this invasive technology to stop at airports.

    The government promises to delete your photos.

    I guess we shouldn’t worry. After all, the DHS promises your photos will be deleted after 12 hours.

    A spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, part of Homeland Security, said there would be a chance for the public to comment on any change in regulations.

    In a November 2018 report, Homeland Security said facial recognition is the best biometric approach at borders because it can be done quickly and “with a high degree of accuracy.” The agency said privacy risks “are mostly mitigated.” Photos used to match Americans to their identities are deleted within 12 hours, according to the report. (source)

    At least the risks are “mostly mitigated.”

    Of course if your photos are deleted after twelve hours, how are those same photos used to confirm it’s really you when you leave or return? I don’t know about you, but when I leave to or return from a vacation, I’m generally gone for more than twelve hours.

    As for a refresher on the government’s promises:

    Jay Stanley, a policy analyst for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the government has told the public and Congress repeatedly that American citizens would be exempt from mandatory biometric screening.

    “This new notice suggests that the government is reneging on what was already an insufficient promise,” Stanley said in a statement. “Travelers, including U.S. citizens, should not have to submit to invasive biometric scans simply as a condition of exercising their constitutional right to travel.” (source)

    Don’t forget the government’s track record on protecting private information.

    The US government has had numerous breaches in protecting personal information.

    Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., said Tuesday he will introduce legislation to block the plan and prohibit U.S. citizens from being forced to provide facial-recognition information. He said a recent data breach at Customs and Border Protection shows that Homeland Security can’t be trusted with the information. (source)

    There was also the data breach that exposed the personal information of 21.5 million federal employees and the Obamacare data breach that compromised the medical privacy of 75,000 people. In fact, there have been tons of breaches. A list from Digital Guardian notes the ten biggest GOVERNMENT data breaches of all time:

    10. State of Texas: 3.5 Million Affected (April 2011)
    9. South Carolina Department of Revenue: 3.6 Million Affected (October 2012)
    8. Tricare: 4.9 Million Affected (September 2011)
    7. Georgia Secretary of State Office: 6.2 Million Affected (November 2015)
    6. Office of the Texas Attorney General: 6.5 Million Affected (April 2012)
    5. Virginia Department of Health Professions: 8.3 Million Affected (May 2009)
    4. U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM): 21.5 Million (June 2015)
    3. U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs: 26.5 Million Affected (May 2006)
    2. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA): 76 Million Affected (October 2009)
    1. U.S. Voter Database: 191 Million Affected (December 2015)
    So don’t worry, I’m sure your biometric information and photos will be perfectly safe with the Department of Homeland Security. Because remember, the problems are “mostly mitigated.”

    It won’t be long before facial recognition is everywhere.

    We’re getting to the point of no return with regard to privacy. We’re so incredibly close to a Chinese-style social credit system that it’s terrifying.

    Technology is being advanced at a rapid clip and ways to defeat that technology – not because you have something to hide but because it is your natural human right not to be constantly surveilled – simply can’t keep up.

    We’ve got Amazon’s creepy doorbell harvesting facial recognition data from everyone in the neighborhood. We’ve got the HART database that catalogs your face, your voice, your scars, and your tattoos then uploads it to Amazon. (There seems to be a bit of a pattern with Amazon, don’t you think?) And don’t forget the unholy alliance between those DNA sites and facial recognition technology.

    As well, don’t forget about the rise of Real ID drivers’ licenses. In many states, you can’t even enter a federal building without one. Don’t be surprised when they become mandatory instead of optional.

    This isn’t something that only affects travelers.

    A lot of people will read this and say, “That’s why I don’t fly anymore.” But that doesn’t make you safe. The same technology will be coming for you, too.

    It reminds me of that quote from Martin Niemoller:

    Quote First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    This is something that affects every American.
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    Next they'll be demanding blood and urine samples from us!
    For national security purposes of course.

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