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    Alex Jones has refuted his earlier impressions of Sandy Hook, in latest Joe Rogan video. He admits he was in a kind of Internet reality tunnel, exposed to shoddy material that he took too seriously. He also claims he himself was the victim of out of control conspiracy theory.

    A grand lesson for the few on this forum who got sucked right in to the same vortex of suspicion and outright paranoia.

    Rather than Sandy Hook being some kind of deep state conspiracy that would provide the rationale for taking people's guns away, it was exactly what it appeared to be....a young mentally ill person with access to heavy duty guns.

    So let's walk this back in terms of the lesson that should have been learned all along. The U.S. needs to disarm, both domestically and militarily.

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    I find Alex Jones hilarious and very fun to listen to 😂

    But, I'm curious, do any of you actually take anything Alex Jones says remotely serious? Looks like Alex Jones became his own conspiracy story 😂😂


    Remember, Alex Jones is the man who called the grieving parents of the Sandy Hook school shooting victims crisis actors?



    However, all members of this forum are free to think. Paranoia and suspicion can be healthy in the midst of this flow of contradictory information.
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    Healthy skepticism is one thing but too many people get their rocks off, are highly entertained by their own outrage, anger and sense that they have seen the light.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Healthy skepticism is one thing but too many people get their rocks off, are highly entertained by their own outrage, anger and sense that they have seen the light.
    Conspiracy theories are more rampant than ever. President Trump himself has expressed a belief in at least two of the above conspiracies at one time or another. He was the most vocal proponent of the baseless claim that Obama was not born in America.

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    Well, this is a tricky one. I truly don't want to create any conflict, or in any way seem to disrespect anyone with a different opinion. We're all trying to get to the truth here, whatever it is.

    My view so far, unchanged for a while, is that Sandy Hook was a staged event. There's a mountain of evidence on this thread:
    I think, but do not know, that Alex Jones is backpedaling (a little too loudly!) about Sandy Hook, just as he did with Pizzagate: his energetics were similar. I suspect he's been somehow cornered, and then obliged to backpedal, in order to avoid some serious problem, maybe a legal one, that he was grappling with behind the scenes. It seemed to have all the tonality of a lawyer-advised public retraction.

    And with Joe Rogan, Alex used the public platform to deny Sandy Hook literally more times than I could count. He went on and on and ON.

    He need only have said it once, to put the record straight. It was like he was doing all that, again and again, so he would be CERTAIN someone else would hear it and finally get off his back.

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    Default Re: Alex Jones and Sandy Hook

    I am glad to see Bill step in and state what my early analysis indicated - that there were too many anomalies and holes in the story to accept the official version.

    And it really did come at a time when getting rid of US citizens guns was a clear deep state goal - which I see the thread creator agrees with.

    Quote The U.S. needs to disarm, both domestically and militarily.
    I was not going to post in this thread because I don't need the grief/conflict.

    Concerning this post:

    Quote He was the most vocal proponent of the baseless claim that Obama was not born in America.
    I do not know where Obama was really born, but I don't consider this a baseless claim, because the only birth certificate provided to prove his birth was an obvious forgery, with PDF traces clearly indicating that as I recall.


    edit: see details from 2011 in link below

    And I understood that long before Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio got involved with his investigation which most search engines will point you to at this point.

    https://www.infowars.com/new-obama-b...-is-a-forgery/
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    I haven't seen any material about Sandy Hook being a conspiracy that passes my smell test. I think if you dig way down, you'll find self described experts casting their nets far and wide and coming up with old shoes, plastic bottles and a few minnows of information.

    Just because they have retrieved this cultural debris from the deep doesn't make it cohesive or a big story. It makes it a whale of a tale.

    And though Occam's razor is a scientific concept, not always appropriate for human endeavour, I think it's worth using as a device to wade through this issue. As in...a country that is armed to the teeth and collectively stressed, it makes more sense that the most vulnerable are going to melt down in a fury and take people with them. They don't have to be mind controlled.

    But...the Las Vegas massacre-- if you think something fishy happened there, I'm with you. This case was super puzzling and Occam's razor didn't seem to apply!
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Well, this is a tricky one. I truly don't want to create any conflict, or in any way seem to disrespect anyone with a different opinion. We're all trying to get to the truth here, whatever it is.

    My view so far, unchanged for a while, is that Sandy Hook was a staged event. There's a mountain of evidence on this thread:
    I think, but do not know, that Alex Jones is backpedaling (a little too loudly!) about Sandy Hook, just as he did with Pizzagate: his energetics were similar. I suspect he's been somehow cornered, and then obliged to backpedal, in order to avoid some serious problem, maybe a legal one, that he was grappling with behind the scenes. It seemed to have all the tonality of a lawyer-advised public retraction.

    And with Joe Rogan, Alex used the public platform to deny Sandy Hook literally more times than I could count. He went on and on and ON.

    He need only have said it once, to put the record straight. It was like he was doing all that, again and again, so he would be CERTAIN someone else would hear it and finally get off his back.
    It could also be interpreted that Jones went on and on to restore his credibility. He was in legal trouble over his views, if I remember correctly, or maybe it was Comer pizza. Not sure.

    But he states quite clearly that he got caught up in something that went off the rails. It's my personal bias that he IS under pressure to state these things but ALSO is describing what he believes to be true. The two aren't mutually exclusive!

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    Quote Posted by Gaia (here)
    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Healthy skepticism is one thing but too many people get their rocks off, are highly entertained by their own outrage, anger and sense that they have seen the light.
    Conspiracy theories are more rampant than ever. President Trump himself has expressed a belief in at least two of the above conspiracies at one time or another. He was the most vocal proponent of the baseless claim that Obama was not born in America.
    True. The parallels between the mind set of the general population of the U.S. hard right currently, parallels the Soviet Union, just prior to collapse. If you are not suspicious as an American, you're missing something.

    Unfortunately, their casting about looking for an enemy can be easily manipulated. The real enemy is the corporate state, which includes Smith and Wesson, Remington, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics. They are the boogeymen. They are responsible for death, destruction on a grand scale. Whether they control the military or vice versa is an intriguing mental game to play.

    Easier to put a face to it all and George Soros seems to be the face, or Hillary, or Obama. In the case of limo-liberals, Trump is the ultimate bad guy who started it all. But the deep state is the deep and steady state. And there is absolutely nothing a politician can probably do about it.

    That is the 'conspiracy' and it's pretty much in plain sight.
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    I think Alex Jones felt he had no choice but to retract else he might have been banned from the internet forever.

    This is not to say that he was right (or wrong) but to demonstrate that when you have gun to your head, even if metaphorically speaking, you do as you're told!

    There were threats to himself and his family. TPB will do anything to shut up anyone who is a threat to their agenda. If they do not comply, they could be shut up forever.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    So let's walk this back in terms of the lesson that should have been learned all along. The U.S. needs to disarm, both domestically and militarily.
    Some things to consider about gun control…

    There will always be guns. The question is not how to disarm humanity. This is impossible.

    The only real question is: Who should own the guns?

    Look at the numbers of the 20th century:

    • 8 million killed by private citizens

    • 262 million killed as soldiers or civilians in state wars, through state genocide, through planned economy desasters by collectivist states or through other forms of state-enforced extermination

    Look at Carroll Quigley's Weapons Systems and Political Stability in which he goes through civilizations from antiquity until today, finding that "the characteristics of weapons are the main predictor of democracy."

    Decentralized, amateur gun ownership breeds democracy—centralized, high-powered gun ownership breeds tyranny.

    The only real question remains: Who should own the guns?

    I think the answer is blatantly obvious.

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    if my gleaned sources are correct the incredible researcher/author David McGowan died under very mysterious circumstances while investigating Sandy Hook;

    but my question is: if so, why is Prof. Dr. Jim Fetzer still alive?- he proports the same thing--

    if one is not yet familiar with McGowan one simply must read his monumental "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon" about all the true history behind the Hippie generation let alone his other monumental work "Programmed to Kill" with the subtitle "the Politics of Serial Murder""

    both are bone-chilling works but I think are essential reading if one wants to understand our present day world-

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    Larry, you are right. Both are bone chilling. Not for the faint of heart. Seriously.
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    Default Re: Alex Jones and Sandy Hook

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    My view so far, unchanged for a while, is that Sandy Hook was a staged event. There's a mountain of evidence on this thread:
    That's 46 pages… Just skimmed the first ones now. Seems that most points were in the OP, referenced from Veterans Today.

    Not a trustworthy website in general, but I looked at it. So I found that none of the 32 questions about the official story come with sources for the claims, which means I'd have to research each and every one of them from scratch, which would take me weeks. I'm not gonna do this.

    Is there another concise, documented article/post about this that you could recommend?

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    Default Re: Alex Jones and Sandy Hook

    It's a classic COINTELPRO tactic to align with a movement, have a Damascus "epiphany" and then refute your earlier position. You try and drag as many former "friends"with you as possible. Some 9/11 researchers did that. Align => Fake Realization => Shame previous supporters. Bill and others offer a softer, more diplomatic interpretation, "he might have been threatened". Both views have merit and point roughly in the same direction.

    To refute Sandy Hook and other shootings/bombings, you need to look at the facts and evidence, in this case the videos, and refute them video by video. Anything else is non-facts based and doesn't offer the reader any concrete value.

    Robbie Parker swaggering up to the camera and hyperventilating (this one is normally blocked with the Gamut of emotions defence). Lady in Red in Boston. The weird out of frame walk offs in France. People being cued plus overdubs in Syria. Get the videos together first, and then discuss them. I can't cos Im going to work. Anything else does not respect the reader's time. We need forensic discussion or nothing.

    Interesting discussion AutumnW. I don't mean to be terse. Im just English and super pushed for time.

    Whatever side of the Sandy fence you sit on. The deeper question is: "How do we heal?". I wear this Frodo mask to remind myself always...

    1) Discuss the videos.
    2) How do we heal?

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    My view so far, unchanged for a while, is that Sandy Hook was a staged event. There's a mountain of evidence on this thread:
    That's 46 pages… Just skimmed the first ones now. Seems that most points were in the OP, referenced from Veterans Today.

    Not a trustworthy website in general, but I looked at it. So I found that none of the 32 questions about the official story come with sources for the claims, which means I'd have to research each and every one of them from scratch, which would take me weeks. I'm not gonna do this.

    Is there another concise, documented article/post about this that you could recommend?
    Fair question! But it's a bit like asking for concise information about 9/11.

    I've been looking through the thread, and (guess what) the most important videos have all been removed from YouTube. I'm uploading them to the Avalon Library now, and I'll post links in an hour or two. (I'll also update the main Sandy Hook thread.)

    One of the best summary articles may be this one:
    And there's Jim Fetzer's book:
    But we don't want to get too far off topic here: this thread is specifically about Alex Jones' stance, and change of stance.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    I've been looking through the thread, and (guess what) the most important videos have all been removed from YouTube. I'm uploading them to the Avalon Library now, and I'll post links in an hour or two. (I'll also update the main Sandy Hook thread.)
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    if even half of what we believe about the "deep state" is true, in all likelihood a military battle with them wouldn't last too long. they'd wipe out the citizens pretty quickly, guns or no guns.

    I don't think any deep state concern over guns has anything to do with losing the battle, it's more to do with them being forced out of the shadows to overtly declare their intentions. it has all sorts of ramifications, mostly detrimental to them.

    the "totalitarian tip-toe", as david icke calls it, is a slow squeeze. rights are slowly stripped away, at such a slow-drip pace, and new laws clandestinely put in place at the same pace, that over time..the dumbed down population will barely even notice. this is much more preferable for the deep state. they're heavily invested in it now, using all sorts of tactics from GMO's to fluoride in water to chem-trails to endless propaganda etc etc etc

    in the US, it's a plan that goes back maybe 100 years.

    for the deep state, allowing people to think they're free is much more preferable than a fascist, authoritarian regime. for example, the people monitor themselves in a democratic society; they do a lot of the heavy lifting for the deep state in this way. and if the people don't know who the enemy is, it will never occur to them to try and fight back. it just eliminates the need for a whole sh!t-ton of energy and resource expenditure.

    if a gun battle erupts in the streets, and theyre forced to come out of hiding to quell it, everyone will now know who they are. there will be a face to this organization. at the moment, much of their power is in their secrecy. with their intentions out in the open, they'd be forced to become the overt fascist, totalitarian regime they don't really want to become. i'm not entirely convinced they have the manpower to sustain this type of rule anyway. it's a catch-22 for them - they have the tech to blast us all into dust, but perhaps not enough resources in terms of people and so forth to rule what's left with a heavy hand. so it all has to be done sort of passive-aggressively.

    Autumn was suggesting strongly that the US needs to disarm, domestically and militarily. i hate guns; i totally get this sentiment. but in a totally f#cked-up society, sometimes something as distasteful as guns are actually providing a buffer from preventing something that might be considered a budding tragedy into a complete and total hell. this is sort of a chess game now, and the most obvious move on the board appears to be getting rid of guns...but it just might be a trap move.
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    Thanks for saving me the trouble Bill. The establishment narrative of Sandy Hook was obviously BS, like soooo many others.
    It also seems obvious that Alex Jones was just ready to sweep the controversy under the rug and move on. He understands that the deep state has several spokes of their fake reality narrative that simply no one is allowed to question or you die trying.

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    Default Re: Alex Jones and Sandy Hook

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    Thanks for saving me the trouble Bill. The establishment narrative of Sandy Hook was obviously BS, like soooo many others.
    It also seems obvious that Alex Jones was just ready to sweep the controversy under the rug and move on. He understands that the deep state has several spokes of their fake reality narrative that simply no one is allowed to question or you die trying.

    Matt
    Yes indeed, Sandy Hook for me has always been a source of confusion on the one hand the actors paid (crissis actors) for the disarmament of the United States and the families of the victims suing Alex Jones.
    Last edited by Gaia; 16th March 2019 at 13:14.

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