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    In March of 2015 the internet was abuzz with a strange photo that popped up on social media and paranormal/fringe sites. It showed what appeared to be at least two gigantic human skulls that has been exposed to the surface by heavy rains. The photo was allegedly taken in a small village in the Sierra de Tapalapa in the southern Mexican state of Chiapas. By the size of the people standing next to and on top of the skulls, one could assume that the skulls belonged to humans that stood almost 20 feet tall. After hundreds of thousands of clicks, likes and shares, the hive mind of the internet came through to solve the mystery of the picture. In October of 2008 the web site worth1000 dot com had a contest for graphic artists to come up with the most convincing depictions of absurd or anomalous archaeological finds. An image that made it to the top ten was this image of rural Mexicans marveling at the newly uncovered skulls of giants. The image was attributed to an online graphic artist who calls himself “YearOfTheDragon,” a self-described single father raising his daughter alone who lives off of illustration gigs solicited online. While some online fringe researchers were fooled by YearOfTheDragon’s intriguing work, others were quick to point out that there are ample amounts of firsthand accounts and even some physical evidence that Mexico once might have been inhabited by a race of giants in the not-so-distant past.
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    When the Spanish first explored and conquered Mexico they heard of mythical races of giants wherever they went, from the Baja Peninsula in the northwest part of the country to the Maya areas of southern and eastern Mexico. Some researchers have even uncovered what they consider tangible proof that some conquistadors came into contact with actual giants, based on diary entries and early writings of the first people who made contact with living and breathing pre-Hispanic civilizations. The Spanish heard the myths and legends from the natives that seemed to correlate with their own Biblical stories about giants as found in the Book of Genesis: that sometime in some part of the distant past giants roamed the earth alongside modern-looking humans. The giants were responsible for much of what was left behind by previous civilizations and the giant explanation was common in many parts of the New World. To the people of central Mexico at the time of the Spanish contact, giants featured so prominently in their belief system that they even named their capital city, Tenochtitlán, after a man called Tenoch, who belonged to an entire ancient race of giants called the quinametzin. In recent fringe research literature and websites the Nahuatl word quinametzin has been mistranslated to mean “The Old Ones.” A closer look at the etymology of the word we find that quinametzin almost directly translates to “giant people.” In the beginning of the Aztec “Fifth Sun,” or the epoch of time in which we currently live, there were four giants who held up the sky. Their names were Cuahtémoc, Izcóatl, Ixcaqlli and Tenexuche. The Mixteca people, referred to as “Mixtecs” by modern anthropologists and historians, were supposedly fathered by a member of the quinametzin, a giant by the name of Mixtécatl. As briefly mentioned before, giants were often used by the ancient Mexicans to explain colossal ruins that had unknown builders. According to the Aztecs, the Toltecs had help from giants in building their capital city of Tula. The ancient central Mexican city of Tenochtitlán, with its large pyramids and broad avenues had giants as its initial builders. Finally, the great pyramid at Cholula, the largest pyramid in the world, was said to have been built by Xelhua, a 20-foot-tall member of the quinametzin tribe. Xelhua was also credited with founding 7 cities in central Mexico in the times before the coming of the Aztecs. Unlike the Aztecs, the Maya did not believe that a race of giant humans existed before them, but giants were part of the ancient Mayan religious belief system in the form of chaacob, a group of demigods who would serve the god Chaac, and who take human form in the shape of dwarves or giants. Some researchers cite a Maya belief in giants as evidenced by larger human figures being depicted in murals, carvings and other works of art. Mainstream archaeologists claim that these depictions of larger humans speak more to class and societal position than belief in a race of actual giants, as there is very little in Maya oral tradition that would indicate such a belief. As recently as the 1690s, almost two centuries after the Spanish Conquest, Jesuit missionaries to the remote desert areas of Baja California were still being told by the local Cochimi people that the large rock wall art, carved so high up in the cliff surfaces in the rugged mountains of Baja was done by a race of giants who were tall enough to paint so high on the wall.


    Many researchers of giants point to actual modern post-Conquest historical references to races of larger humanoids and claim that the Spanish encountered the remnants of tribes of giants throughout Mexico, citing writings from the 16th Century. One often-used reference to giants comes from a book written by an Italian count called Decades, which was a history of New Spain commissioned by Charles the Fifth and published in the 1520s. Here we have an updated version in English about conquistador Diego de Ordaz and his discovery of what appears to be the remains of giants:

    “I wish to end this chapter with a gigantic story, which, like the formidable Atlas, comes to support my claims. Diego de Ordaz, whom I have before mentioned, knew many hidden places in those lands, especially in the land of cacao, where he learned to plant and grow the tree of money, as I have explained on that occasion. He found in the vault of a temple the thighbone of a giant, worn and nearly destroyed by age. The licentiate Ayllón, one of the most learned jurists in Hispaniola, brought this bone to the city of Victoria a short time after Your Holiness left for Rome. For some days I had that bone in my home; it measured five palms in length, and its width in proportion. Those who were afterwards sent by Cortés into the mountains if the south returned, saying that they had discovered a country inhabited by giants; in proof of this claim it is said that they brought back many ribs of the dead.”

    Another story of the remains of giants being found in Mexico comes from a Spanish source from the late 16th Century, a book titled The Natural and Moral History of the Indies by José de Acosta. Acosta writes:

    “When I was in Mexico, in the year of our Lord one thousand five hundred eighty six, they found one of those giants buried in one of our farms, which we call Jesus del Monte, of whom they brought a tooth to be seen, which (without augmenting) was as big as the fist of a man, and, according to this, all the rest was proportionate, which I saw and admired at his deformed greatness.”

    The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Díaz, written around 1570, is one of the most read books on the topic of the Spanish Conquest of Mexico and early colonial life in New Spain. It also has a passage referring to giants in Chapter 78 in which conquistador Hernán Cortés is asking local kings about the history of their kingdoms. Here is the 1844 English translation of the passage by John Ingram Lockhart:


    “Our friends told us how and whence they came into this country, and how they had settled themselves there; how it came that, notwithstanding their vicinity to the Mexicans, they resembled each other so little, and lived in perpetual warfare with each other. The tradition was also handed down from their forefathers, that in ancient times there lived here a race of men and women who were of immense stature with heavy bones, and were a very bad and evil-disposed people, whom they had for the greater part exterminated by continual war, and the few that were left gradually died away.

    In order to give us a notion of the huge frame of this people, they dragged forth a bone, or rather a thigh bone, of one of those giants, which was very strong, and measured the length of a man of good stature. This bone was still entire from the knee to the hip joint. I measured it by my own person, and found it to be of my own length, although I am a man of considerable height. They showed us many similar pieces of bones, but they were all worm-eaten and decayed; we, however, did not doubt for an instant, that this country was once inhabited by giants. Cortés observed, that we ought to forward these bones to his majesty in Spain by the very first opportunity.”


    Those researchers who propose that there were giant humans roaming the earth in pre-historic times cite these early Spanish accounts of remains as proof positive of a lost race of gargantuan humanoids. Others claim that these are stories of stories and that the gigantic bones may have most likely been the remains of large ancient megafauna such as giant sloths and mastodons. In spite of the stories of giant bones being found by the Spanish, we have no intact giant human skeletons or even parts of giant human skeletons from the time period to study. As with many “fringe” topics from Bigfoot to the Loch Ness monster, scientists have a simple question: Where are the remains for them to study? Researchers counter that there has been a long history of government and academic suppression of the evidence of giants, beginning with the number one villain in the cover-up story, a villain with long arms that stretch across borders and into Mexico: The Smithsonian Institution, established in Washington DC in 1846.

    There is, however, one curious account that is pretty well documented of a Spanish encounter with a living, breathing giant during the siege of Tenochtitlán, in the final stages of the subjugation of the Aztec Empire. When forces commanded by Pedro de Alvarado arrived in at Tlatelolco, just north of the main city of Tenochtitlan in the Aztec home island in the middle of Lake Texcoco, no people came to fight the Spanish except for a warrior named Tzilcatzin. According to eyewitness accounts, Tzilcatzin stood over 10 feet tall and repelled the Spanish by throwing at them rocks the size of watermelons. Tzilcatzin’s bravery motivated other men of Tlatelolco to fight. As a consequence, the standoff with the Spanish lasted several days. In the Twelfth Book of Franciscan friar Bernardino de Sahagún’s colonial treatise titled General History of Things in New Spain, the friar writes:

    “The brigantines came to the neighborhood called Xocotitlán, and as they came ashore, they jumped ashore in the neighborhood fighting. And when that Indian captain, named Tzilacatzin, saw them fighting, he came to them with other people who followed him, and they fought them out of that neighborhood and made them return to the brigs.”

    When it comes to the topic of Mexican giants, while interesting and somewhat romantic, very little evidence exists that an actual race of giants walked the deserts, jungles and altiplano of Mexico. The medical condition commonly referred to as gigantism existed in ancient Mexico as it does today throughout the world, as evidenced in the stories of the warrior Tilcatzin. This condition is rare and only occurs in less than 1% of the population. A mythical and/or magical race of giants inhabiting ancient Mexico is something altogether different. While there may be truth to ancient legends, Mexican giants might be proving to be a bit more elusive than some researchers want them to be.





    Source: http://mexicounexplained.com/mexican-giants/


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    Default Re: Did Mexican Giants predate Mayan and Aztec Culture

    Hate to be that guy but the 1st photo looks suspect. The two skulls have very similar features like they're distorted in the same areas if u look close.

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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Hate to be that guy but the 1st photo looks suspect. The two skulls have very similar features like they're distorted in the same areas if u look close.
    Not saying that Giants did not inhabited this globe, but yes that is a Photoshop image.
    I guess they have to make images to get a view over, as all actual possible images are disposed of.

    But the making of images dose discredit the whole subject of actual giants of the past.
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    Here's research that giants (not as big as the photoshopped pic in the OP, tho) once did reside in north America:

    The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America: The Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian Cover-Up
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    By Richard J. Dewhurst
    SBN-13: 978-1591431718, ISBN-10: 1591431719

    https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Giant.../dp/1591431719

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    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    Here's research that giants (not as big as the photoshopped pic in the OP, tho) once did reside in north America:
    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Hate to be that guy but the 1st photo looks suspect
    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Not saying that Giants did not inhabited this globe, but yes that is a Photoshop image.
    UPDATE: Oops, Justplain, Tyy1907 & Sunny-side-up I saw the OP and my fact check alarm went off and immediately went on a hunt.


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    Tales of races of giant men who lived long ago are found in the scriptural writings of many religions, have long been the object of public hoaxes (such as the Cardiff Giant), and are now a favorite subject of Internet pranksters. They’re also a fascination of photoshoppers, particularly those at Worth1000, a site devoted to hosting contests in which entrants show off their skills at manipulating photographs using digital editing programs:

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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Hate to be that guy but the 1st photo looks suspect. The two skulls have very similar features like they're distorted in the same areas if u look close.
    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    Here's research that giants (not as big as the photoshopped pic in the OP, tho) once did reside in north America:
    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Not saying that Giants did not inhabited this globe, but yes that is a Photoshop image.
    Hey Guys, read the caption under the photo it says:

    'In October of 2008 the web site worth1000 dot com had a contest for graphic artists to come up with the most convincing depictions of absurd or anomalous archaeological finds. An image that made it to the top ten was this image of rural Mexicans marveling at the newly uncovered skulls of giants. The image was attributed to an online graphic artist who calls himself “YearOfTheDragon,” a self-described single father raising his daughter alone who lives off of illustration gigs solicited online.'

    In other words - PhotoShopped


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    Default Re: Did Mexican Giants predate Mayan and Aztec Culture

    in the 18th century photo-shopping didn't exist;

    but if one has read Richard Dewhurst's "The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America" with the subtitle "The Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian Cover-Up" one must come to the conclusion that the mound builders who preceded native Americans were exceedingly tall, well giants-

    obviously no photos but orthographic witness' accounts of unearthing huge skeletons- read book- very revealing-

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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Hate to be that guy but the 1st photo looks suspect. The two skulls have very similar features like they're distorted in the same areas if u look close.
    Yes. Here's the original:



    The Worth1000.com at the bottom left (which has been cropped out of the image shown in the article) shows it was part of a Photoshop competition a few years back... like almost all the other giant skull photos circulating round.


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    Quote Posted by Skywizard (here)
    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Hate to be that guy but the 1st photo looks suspect. The two skulls have very similar features like they're distorted in the same areas if u look close.
    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    Here's research that giants (not as big as the photoshopped pic in the OP, tho) once did reside in north America:
    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Not saying that Giants did not inhabited this globe, but yes that is a Photoshop image.
    Hey Guys, read the caption under the photo it says:

    'In October of 2008 the web site worth1000 dot com had a contest for graphic artists to come up with the most convincing depictions of absurd or anomalous archaeological finds. An image that made it to the top ten was this image of rural Mexicans marveling at the newly uncovered skulls of giants. The image was attributed to an online graphic artist who calls himself “YearOfTheDragon,” a self-described single father raising his daughter alone who lives off of illustration gigs solicited online.'

    In other words - PhotoShopped


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    Clearly I was too lazy to read your original post lol

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    It definitely is a sad state of affairs that internet and Photoshop pranksters can bring ridicule to quite a serious topic. Evidence DOES show that oversized humanoid beings lived on Earth in large numbers in the past. RJ Dewhurst's book details how an evil institution, the Smithsonian, committed crimes against humanity by absconding with priceless archeological artifacts only to "lose track" of them (ie. destroyed). We are talking of atleast dozens of sites that were robbed. These criminals were enforcing a dogma that wouldn't permit the idea that prehistoric societies, other than 'savages', existed in pre-columbian North America. And, now, when the truth starts to seep out, the whole concept is satirized by pranksters. Similarly, the Ufo topic inspires snickers due to endless 'disinfo debunkers'. Shows that our civilization has a looooong way to go.
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    tl;dr - too long; didn't read

    I propose a new abbreviation:

    fi;dr - fake image; didn't read
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    Default Re: Did Mexican Giants predate Mayan and Aztec Culture

    Toltec Atlanteans at Chichen Itza:





    Not exactly fossils, but why is it that people who are supposedly scampering for survival make stuff like this, or Easter Island?

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