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    So as I read this $11 million dollars will make this right in their minds, a $33 billion company.... What the f..k ....I hope this isn't too much of a financial burden on them,the money is to go to an-yet-to-be-named charity.

    German billionaire family that owns U.S. brands Krispy Kreme, Dr. Pepper and
    Calgon had ‘disgusting’ Nazi past

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ge...=mw_latestnews

    Published: Mar 25, 2019 3:30 p.m. ET

    JAB Holding, owner of Panera Bread, Dr. Pepper, Peet’s Coffee and Clearasil,
    turns out to have had deeper pro-Hitler past
    By
    Rachel
    Koning Beals
    News editor

    There is no “glossing over” how the German conglomerate that now owns iconic
    American glazed Krispy Kreme donuts once made its dough — on the blood and
    forced labor orchestrated by the Nazi party, it conceded on Monday following a
    popular German tabloid’s published account.

    ‘We were ashamed and white as sheets. There is nothing to gloss over. These
    crimes are disgusting.’
    Peter Harf, the Reimann family’s spokesman and a managing partner of JAB
    Holding Co.

    The Bild am Sonntag newspaper report of the Nazi ties to the Reimann family and
    its JAB Holding company was confirmed by spokesman and company exec Peter Harf,
    and reported in English on the Deutsche Welle media site.

    Krispy Kreme Doughnuts Inc. was sold to a unit of JAB Holding Co. for about
    $1.35 billion in 2016, a deal that took the doughnut maker with southern U.S.
    roots private.

    JAB, owned by the Reimann family that’s worth an estimated €33 billion, had been
    aggressively buying up food, retail and consumer products companies in recent
    years, including several in the U.S. Its portfolio includes the roughly $13.9
    billion acquisition of single-serve coffee machine maker Keurig Green Mountain
    in late 2015, as well as Panera Bread, Dr. Pepper, Peet’s Coffee and personal
    products Calgon and Clearasil.

    “[Albert] Reimann Sr. and [Albert] Reimann Jr. were guilty. The two businessmen
    have passed away, but they actually belonged in prison,” Harf went on to say.

    Among the reported World War II-era atrocities, the Bilt article said Russian
    civilians and French prisoners of war were exploited as forced laborers in the
    family’s factories and private villas. The father-son duo were known
    anti-Semites and donated to Adolf Hitler’s paramilitary SS force as early as
    1931.

    Reimann Sr. and Reimann Jr., who died in 1954 and 1984, respectively, did not
    talk about their Nazi past, according to Harf. The family believed a 1978 report
    had revealed all of the company’s ties to the Nazis but more discoveries have
    been made and pursued by younger generations. Present-day Reimanns have said
    they will donate $11 million (€9.7 million) to an as-yet-to-be-named charity in
    response to the infamous link.

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    Default Re: German billionaire family had ‘disgusting’ Nazi past

    When I read the headline I thought it was going to be about current European Council President Jean-Claude Juncker and the Juncker family in general.

    Instead they're talking about the family that owns Krispy Kreme and Dr. Pepper?

    At least maybe we can blame American obesity rates on them.

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    Default Re: German billionaire family had ‘disgusting’ Nazi past

    When GIs marched into Germany, what did they find?
    IG Farben (Jewish corporation) plants totally untouched by the Allied (read American) bombers.

    Oh, yes, the British royals were gung-ho Nazis. LOL
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB0YAVF-eOI

    If you drive a Ford, I guess you're paying tribute to a Nazi sympathizer as well.
    https://steemit.com/writing/@endless...ord-was-a-nazi
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    Default Re: German billionaire family had ‘disgusting’ Nazi past

    I agree Ford Has some atonement to do. It took 50 years to break up I.G. Farben up. Monsanto's back ground leads back to I.G.Farben. There is some good reading on I.G.Farben in the wikipedia article

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben
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    A few other things the agrichemical industry doesn’t want you to know about them: crimes, scandals and other wrongdoing

    https://usrtk.org/a-few-other-things...er-wrongdoing/

    The following is an excerpt from Chapter 15, “Seedy Business: What Big Food is hiding with its slick PR campaign on GMOs,” by Gary Ruskin, co-director of the public watchdog group US Right to Know.

    The agrichemical industry’s six major firms, Monsanto, Syngenta, Dow, DuPont, Bayer and BASF, have been involved on so many reprehensible activities that documenting them all would require an entire book in itself. In fact, entire books have been devoted to the wrongdoing of two of these companies, while an extensive website documents the misdeeds of a third one.[1]

    Following is a brief sketch of the crimes, wrongdoing and other reprehensible acts of these companies.

    BASF

    BASF is the world’s largest chemical company.

    On September 21, 1921 a BASF fertilizer silo in Oppau exploded, killing at least 550 people.[2] It was one of the worst chemical disasters in history.[3]

    The companies BASF, Bayer, Hoescht and three smaller companies founded IG Farben (Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie AG) in 1925. The war crimes of IG Farben are so heinous as to be impossible to capture in a short space. Following the Nuremberg Trials, thirteen of its executives were imprisoned for Nazi war crimes, for producing Zyklon B, the asphyxiating gas used to kill countless Jews and others during the Holocaust, and the use of tens of thousands of slave laborers at Auschwitz, and conducting involuntary “medical” or “scientific” experiments on prisoners.[4]

    On July 28, 1948, an explosion at the BASF plant in Ludwigshafen killed more than 200 people, and injured up to 3,000.[5]

    In 1999, BASF pled guilty to a criminal conspiracy charge and agreed to pay a $225 million fine for helping to coordinate cartels to illegally fix prices of vitamins in the 1990s.[6] Joel Klein, then chief of the antitrust division of the U.S. Department of Justice, called it “the most pervasive and harmful criminal antitrust conspiracy ever uncovered.”[7] Gary Spratling, head of criminal enforcement of antitrust laws at DOJ, explained “Simply put, the vitamin cartel was as bad as they get. Nothing was left to chance — or, more accurately, to competition.”[8] In 2001, the European Union fined BASF $260 million for the same price fixing scheme. “This is the most damaging series of cartels the commission has ever investigated,” said Mario Monti, who was the EU’s competition commissioner at the time.[9]

    In 1997, another BASF subsidiary, Knoll Pharmaceutical, paid $98 million to settle a class-action lawsuit from approximately five million patients over suppressing publication of a study about its drug Synthroid. The study “concluded that health-care costs could be cut by $356 million a year if cheaper equivalents were used instead of Synthroid.”[10]

    Bayer

    In 1898, Bayer began selling a new medicine called “Heroin.” Bayer promoted it as a cold, cough and “irritation” remedy for children as late as 1912.[11] According to Kenaz Filan’s history of the poppy, “Believing (incorrectly) that heroin produced less respiratory depression than codeine, Bayer presented heroin as a safer children’s cough suppressant. It was also touted as a cure for morphine addiction and a panacea against, among other things, depression, bronchitis, asthma, tuberculosis and stomach cancer.”[12]

    The companies BASF, Bayer, Hoescht and three smaller companies founded IG Farben (Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie AG) in 1925. See BASF profile above.

    In the early 1970’s, Bayer’s fungicide Baycovin (diethylpyrocarbonate) was used as a preservative for wine, beer and fruit juices. However, Baycovin was found to produce a potent carcinogen, urethan.[13] The FDA banned Baycovin in 1972.[14]

    In April, 2003, Bayer pled guilty to a criminal charge and agreed to pay $257 million in fines and damages for defrauding Medicare in a scheme to overcharge for its antibiotic, Cipro. At the time, it was the largest Medicaid fraud settlement in history.[15]

    Bayer is a major producer of neonicotinoid pesticides that have been linked to the decline of bee populations. These pesticides were banned for two years in Europe.[16] Bayer has mounted a massive campaign to keep its pesticides on the market, in part by using the classic tobacco industry strategy of pretending to care. “Bayer is strictly committed to bee health,” a Bayer spokesperson told the New York Times. Hans Muilerman of Pesticide Action Network Europe explained that Bayer does “almost anything that helps their products remaining on the market. Massive lobbying, hiring P.R. firms to frame and spin, inviting commissioners to show their plants and their sustainability.”[17]

    Dow Chemical

    In 1957, a catastrophic nuclear meltdown nearly occurred at the Rocky Flats nuclear weapons facility, near Denver. At the time, Dow Chemical operated the facility for the U.S. Department of Energy.[18] The DOE has ranked Rocky Flats as the “most dangerously contaminated site in the nation’s nuclear weapons complex.”[19]

    In the 1960’s, as many as 70 inmates at Holmesburg Prison in Philadelphia were given large doses of dioxin, a highly toxic chemical, in experiments for Dow Chemical. The dioxin was spread on the inmates’ skin.[20] Nearly 300 inmates sued Dow and others, but courts found that the statute of limitations had expired.[21]

    In 1965, Dow Chemical Co. began producing the incendiary agent napalm for use during the Vietnam War. Napalm is akin to jellied gasoline. It sticks to skin, and often burns its victims to death in great pain. For years, Dow was the sole supplier of napalm to the Department of Defense.[22] Photos and other descriptions of the impact of napalm horrified Americans, and in response to nationwide protests and boycotts, the company stopped producing napalm in 1969.[23]

    In 1995, Greenpeace released a report arguing that Dow is the “world’s largest producer of chlorine and chorine-based products” and that it is “likely the world’s largest root source of dioxin,” which is a highly toxic chemical.[24]

    In 2001, Dow Chemical acquired Union Carbide,[25] which was responsible for the Bhopal poison gas disaster. On the night of September 2-3, 1984, a Union Carbide pesticide plant exploded in Bhopal, India, releasing over 40 tons of methyl isocyanate gas. It was the world’s worst industrial disaster. According to Philip Bowring in the International Herald Tribune, the disaster “immediately killed some 2,250 people, and affected as many as 500,000 more. Of that number, it is estimated that between 15,000 and 30,000 people subsequently died as a consequence of the accident and tens of thousands of others remain sick.”[26] Much of the toxic waste remains in Bhopal, despite the profitability of Dow Chemical.[27] For the last thirteen years, Dow has rejected any responsibility for the survivors and victims of the Bhopal disaster. It has repeatedly failed to appear or to respond to Indian court summons for legal proceedings about the Bhopal disaster.[28]

    In 2005, DuPont Dow Elastomers, a subsidiary of both Dow Chemical and DuPont, pled guilty and paid an $84 million criminal fine for an “international conspiracy to fix the prices of synthetic rubber.”[29]

    DuPont

    In 1995, Federal District Court Judge J. Robert Elliott fined DuPont $115 million for concealing evidence in a 1993 trial about damage to plants from its fungicide, Benlate. “‘Put in layperson’s terms,’ Judge Elliott wrote, ‘Du Pont cheated. And it cheated consciously, deliberately and with purpose. It has committed a fraud against this court.’”[30]

    In Pompton Lakes, New Jersey, a DuPont munitions plant “left behind a trail of lead and mercury, contaminated soil and water and a plume of toxic vapor still capable of leaking into at least 450 houses.” According to John Sinismer, a former mayor of Pompton Lakes, “DuPont will try to get away with as much as they can get away with anytime they can.”[31]

    In 2005, DuPont Dow Elastomers, a subsidiary of both Dow Chemical and DuPont, pled guilty and paid an $84 million criminal fine for an “international conspiracy to fix the prices of synthetic rubber.” [32]

    On September 3, 2014, the U.S. Department of Justice announced that DuPont and Atlantic Richfield Co. would pay about $26 million to clean up lead and arsenic contamination of the Calumet residential neighborhood in East Chicago, Indiana.[33]

    Monsanto

    The list of reprehensible conduct by the Monsanto Corporation is the subject of a book-length treatment by Marie-Monique Robin, The World According to Monsanto.[34] What follows is merely a brief recounting of a few key events.

    Monsanto began producing the pesticide DDT in 1944, along with about fifteen other companies. In 1962, Rachel Carson released Silent Spring, her seminal book on DDT. Carson told the story of how DDT decimated some bird species such as bald eagles and peregrine falcons, because it made the birds’ eggshells too thin, so they would break prematurely. EPA banned DDT in 1972, because of its impacts on the environment and human health. With minor exceptions, in 2004, it was banned worldwide by the Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants.

    Monsanto has thrice been found to have produced false advertising related to Roundup and its genetically engineered crops. In 2009, France’s highest court upheld two lower French courts convicting Monsanto of falsely advertising that its herbicide Roundup is “biodegradable” and that it “left the soil clean.”[35] In 1999, the UK Advertising Standards Authority condemned Monsanto for issuing “wrong, unproven, misleading and confusing” claims in its advertising.[36] In 1996, the Attorney General of New York State fined Monsanto $50,000 for false advertising regarding claims that Roundup is “environmentally friendly” and biodegradable.[37]

    In 1999, in a notable instance of public relations trickery, Monsanto helped to pay protesters to conduct a counter-demonstration in support of genetically engineered food. The protest was held in Washington DC, in front of an FDA hearing on genetically engineered crops.[38]

    Recent articles by the Associated Press raised questions about the health risks of Monsanto’s Roundup as it is used in Argentina. According to AP, Argentine “doctors are warning that uncontrolled pesticide applications could be the cause of growing health problems…”[39] In response, Monsanto “criticized the AP report as lacking in specifics about health impacts,” the Associated Press reported, “though the story cited hospital birth records, court records, peer-reviewed studies, continuing epidemiological surveys, pesticide industry and government data, and a comprehensive audit of agrochemical use in 2008-11 prepared by Argentina’s bipartisan Auditor General’s Office.”[40]

    Syngenta

    Syngenta produces atrazine, one of the most widely used pesticides in the United States. Atrazine was banned in the European Union in October 2003, over concerns about whether it is carcinogenic and an endocrine disruptor.[41] According to the New York Times, atrazine “has become among the most common contaminants in American reservoirs and other sources of drinking water” and “Recent studies suggest that, even at concentrations meeting current federal standards, the chemical may be associated with birth defects, low birth weights and menstrual problems.”[42]

    Syngenta is also a major producer of neonicotinoid pesticides, which have been blamed for sharp declines in bee populations across the planet. Europe has banned these pesticides for two years due to their destruction of bee populations.[43] According to a 2014 study by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, neonicotinoids are “causing significant damage to a wide range of beneficial invertebrate species and are a key factor in the decline of bees.”[44]

    Syngenta’s predecessor, Ciba-Geigy,[45] produced a pesticide called chlordimeform which was withdrawn from the market because it was a suspected carcinogen.[46]

    Syngenta’s predecessor, Ciba, paid a $62 million fine, including $3.5 million in criminal penalties, for “illegally dumping laboratory wastes, polluting groundwater and filing false reports.” In 1992, in a much-polluted state, the head of New Jersey’s environmental prosecutions unit said “This is the biggest environmental case we’ve ever had.”[47] A New York Times op-ed by Robert Hanley described the “plume of poisons, about a mile square and between 30 and 100 feet deep” produced by Ciba-Geigy near Toms River, New Jersey.[48]

    Ciba-Geigy’s promotion of the drug Ritalin, for which it was the main manufacturer, for use in children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, was questioned in a 2013 New York Times article on the “Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder.”[49]

    In 2005, EPA fined Syngenta $1.5 million for “selling and distributing seed corn that contained an unregistered genetically engineered pesticide called Bt 10.”[50] In 2004, The U.S. Department of Agriculture fined Syngenta $375,000 for selling the unapproved genetically engineered corn seed, Bt 10.[51]

    Footnotes

    [1] Jack Doyle, Trespass Against Us: Dow Chemical and the Toxic Century. (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 2004). Marie-Monique Robin, The World According to Monsanto: Pollution, Corruption and the Control of our Food Supply. (New York: New Press, 2010). Regarding Bayer, see the Coalition Against Bayer Dangers website.

    [2] Werner Abelshauser, Wolfgang von Hippel, Jeffrey Allan Johnson and Raymond G. Stokes, German Industry and Global Enterprise: BASF: The History of a Company. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), pp. 195-8.

    [3] See, for example “Chemical Cock-Ups: The 1921 Oppau Disaster and its Aftermath.” BBC. BASF web page on its corporate history, 1902-24

    [4] See, for example, Joseph Borkin, The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben. (New York, Pocket Books, 1978). Diarmuid Jeffreys, Hell’s Cartel: IG Farben and the Making of Hitler’s War Machine. (New York: Metropolitan Books, 2008.) F. López-Muñoz, P. García-García and C. Alamo, “The Pharmaceutical Industry and the German National Socialist Regime: I.G. Farben and Pharmacological Research.” Journal of Clinical Pharmacy and Therapeutics, February 2009. 34: 67–77. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2710.2008.00972.x

    [5] Werner Abelshauser, Wolfgang von Hippel, Jeffrey Allan Johnson and Raymond G. Stokes, German Industry and Global Enterprise: BASF: The History of a Company. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), p. 351.

    [6] “F. Hoffmann-La Roche and BASF Agree to Pay Record Criminal Fines for Participating in International Vitamin Cartel.” U.S. Department of Justice news release, May 20, 1999. USA v. BASF Aktiengesellschaft plea agreement, May 20, 1999. “Four Foreign Executives of Leading European Vitamin Firms Agree to Plead Guilty to Participating in International Vitamin Cartel.” U.S. Department of Justice news release, April 6, 2000.

    [7] David Barboza, “Tearing Down The Facade of ‘Vitamins Inc.’” New York Times, October 10, 1999.

    [8] Naftali Bendavid, “Vitamin Price-fixing Draws Record $755 Million in Fines.” Chicago Tribune, May 21, 1999.

    [9] Paul Meller, “Vitamin Producers Fined $752 Million.” New York Times, November 22, 2001.

    [10] Meredith Wadman, “$100m Payout After Drug Data Withheld.” Nature, August 21, 1997. See also Thomas H. Maugh II, “Drug Firm Suppressed Test Data for Years, Doctors Say.” Los Angeles Times, April 16, 1997. “BASF Unit To Pay $98 Million To Settle Synthroid Suit.” New York Times, August 6, 1997.

    [11] See, for example, Jim Edwards, “Yes, Bayer Promoted Heroin for Children — Here Are The Ads That Prove It.” Business Insider, November 17, 2011. See also Ian Scott, “Heroin: A Hundred-Year Habit.” History Today, Vol. 48, Issue 6, 1998.

    [12] Kenaz Filan, Power of the Poppy: Harnessing Nature’s Most Dangerous Plant Ally. (Rochester, VT: Park Street Press, 2011), p. 86.

    [13] Jane E. Brody, “Drink Preservative Found to Produce a Carcinogen.” New York Times, December 21, 1971.

    [14] 21 CFR 189.140.

    [15] Melody Petersen, “Bayer Agrees to Pay U.S. $257 Million in Drug Fraud.” New York Times, April 17, 2003. “Bayer Agrees to Biggest Medicaid Fraud Settlement.” Reuters/USA Today, April 16, 2003.

    [16] David Jolly, “Europe Bans Pesticides Thought Harmful to Bees.” New York Times, April 29, 2013.

    [17] Danny Hakim, “Accused of Harming Bees, Bayer Researches a Different Culprit.” New York Times, December 11, 2013. See also Danny Hakim, “European Agency Warns of Risk to Humans in Pesticides Tied to Bee Deaths.” New York Times, December 17, 2013.

    [18] Andrew Cohen, “A September 11th Catastrophe You’ve Probably Never Heard About.” The Atlantic, September 10, 2012.

    [19] Tamara Jones, “U.S. Vows to Lift 30-Year Veil of Secrecy at Weapons Plants.” Los Angeles Times, June 17, 1989.

    [20] William Robbins, “Dioxin Tests Conducted in 60’s on 70 Philadelphia Inmates, Now Unknown.” New York Times, July 17, 1983. See also Allen M. Hornblum, Acres of Skin: Human Experiments at Holmesburg Prison. (London: Routledge, 1988).

    [21] Joann Loviglio, “Albert M. Kligman, Dermatologist Who Patented Retin-A, Dies at 93.” Associated Press/Washington Post, February 22, 2010.

    [22] See, for example, “Dow Chemical and the Use of Napalm.” PBS, September 22, 2005. Robert M. Neer, Napalm: An American Biography. (Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2013)

    [23] “Dow Declares It Has Stopped Production of Napalm for U.S.” Associated Press/New York Times, November 15, 1969. See also Jack Doyle, Trespass Against Us: Dow Chemical and the Toxic Century. (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 2004). Charlie Cray, “Dow: Stealing Our Future.” Institute for Agriculture and Technology Policy, April 27, 1997.

    [24] Jack Weinberg, ed.,“Dow Brand Dioxin: Dow Makes You Poison Great Things.” Greenpeace, 1995.

    [25] Union Carbide Corporation web page on its corporate history.

    [26] Philip Bowring, “Remembering Bhopal.” International Herald Tribune, June 16, 2012.

    [27] Somini Sengupta, “Decades Later, Toxic Sludge Torments Bhopal.” New York Times, July 7, 2008. See also Suketu Mehta, “A Cloud Still Hangs Over Bhopal.” New York Times, December 2, 2009.

    [28] P. Naveen, “Dow Chemical a No-show in Court Hearing over Bhopal Disaster.” Times of India, November 13, 2014.

    [29] “DuPont Dow Elastomers to Plead Guilty and Pay $84 Million Fine for Participating in a Synthetic Rubber Cartel.” U.S. Department of Justice news release, January 19, 2005.

    [30] “Judge Fines Du Pont $115 Million for Concealing Trial Evidence.” New York Times, August 22, 2995.

    [31] Peter Applebome, “Old Story of Pollution; New Urgency This Time.” New York Times, January 31, 2010.

    [32] “DuPont Dow Elastomers to Plead Guilty and Pay $84 Million Fine for Participating in a Synthetic Rubber Cartel.” U.S. Department of Justice news release, January 19, 2005.

    [33] “U.S. and Indiana Enter into Settlement for $26 Million Cleanup in East Chicago, Indiana.” U.S. Department of Justice news release, September 3, 2014. See also Lauri Harvey Keagle, “Health Concerns at Center of EC lead, Arsenic Cleanup.” The Times of Northwest Indiana, September 4, 2014.

    [34] Marie-Monique Robin, The World According to Monsanto: Pollution, Corruption and the Control of our Food Supply. (New York: New Press, 2010).

    [35] “Monsanto Guilty in ‘False Ad’ Row.” BBC, October 15, 2009.

    [36] John Arlidge, “Watchdog Slams Monsanto Ads.” Guardian, February 27, 1999.

    [37] “In the Matter of Monsanto Company.” Attorney General of the State of New York, Consumer Frauds and Protection Bureau, Environmental Protection Bureau, 1996.

    [38] Melody Petersen, “Monsanto Campaign Tries to Gain Support for Gene-Altered Food.” New York Times, December 8, 1999.

    [39] Michael Warren and Natacha Pisarenko, “Argentines Link Health Problems To Agrochemicals.” Associated Press, October 20, 2013.

    [40] Michael Warren, “Monsanto Calls Glyphosate ‘Safe’ After AP Report.” Associated Press, October 22, 2013.

    [41] See, for example, Jennifer Beth Sass and Aaron Colangelo, “European Union Bans Atrazine, While the United States Negotiates Continued Use.” International Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health, July/September 2006, 12(3): 260-7.

    [42] Charles Duhigg, “Debating How Much Weed Killer Is Safe in Your Water Glass.” New York Times, August 22, 2009.

    [43] David Jolly, “Europe Bans Pesticides Thought Harmful to Bees.” New York Times, April 29, 2013. “Bee Survival in Europe.” New York Times, October 25, 2013.

    [44] “Systemic Pesticides Pose Global Threat to Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services.” International Union for the Conservation of Nature, June 24, 2014.

    [45] In 1996, Ciba and Sandoz merged to form Novartis. In 2000, Novartis and AstraZenca merged their agrichemical businesses to create Syngenta. See Syngenta’s web page describing its company history.

    [46] See, for example, “2 Companies Will Stop Sales of Pesticide Used on Cotton.” New York Times/Associated Press, September 8, 1988. Third World Network and Monitor staff, “Trouble Again” and “The Rap on Ciba-Geigy.” Multinational Monitor, 1988.

    [47] Joseph F. Sullivan, “Ciba to Pay New Jersey For Illegal Waste Dumping.” New York Times, February 29, 1992.

    [48] Robert Hanley, “Toxic Levels For an Aquifer Worry E.P.A.” New York Times, October 10, 1989.

    [49] Alan Schwartz, “The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder.” New York Times, December 14, 2013.

    [50] “EPA Fines Syngenta $1.5 Million for Distributing Unregistered Genetically Engineered Pesticide.” U.S. Environmental Protection Agency news release, December 21, 2006.

    [51] Tom Wright, “U.S. Fines Swiss Company Over Sale of Altered Seed.” New York Times, April 9, 2005.
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    Default Re: German billionaire family had ‘disgusting’ Nazi past

    It would appear that the NAZIs control industry, science and health care in America and elsewhere and that their brains are as merciless and sick as an AI robot gone mad. I believe it is no accident. They are deliberately trying to murder off all life but their own. The health industry is really the genocide industry; and I believe that the other industries are likewise intentioned. These people should be locked up and the key destroyed.

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    Default Re: German billionaire family had ‘disgusting’ Nazi past

    As it is said, Germans lost the war, but Nazis simply changed countries.
    Where to?

    USA and Israel.
    NASA is a Nazi organization, and Israel is an absolute Nazi state.

    The Nazi Party in Germany was originally a Jewish party, and its important members were Jews. You want names? Adolf Eichmann, Joseph Mengele, Adolf Hitler, Menachem Begin (former Israeli Prime minister)

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/the-...on-with-nazis/

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    It's not that they(Nazis) dictate what to do, they have the institutions that teach you how to think, that's how their agenda is furthered. One defends their logic with all they have.
    There is a good quote that covers this: "It's easier to fool someone that it is to convince them that they've been fooled" Someone that has been indoctrinated isn't about to see how that could have happened to them,.... not that it matters but this quote has been attributed to Mark Twain but unproven.

    Operation Paperclip has done a lot of damage.( Nazis scientist brought to America after the war)

    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...-3SEP-2014.pdf
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    The Nazi Party in Germany was originally a Jewish party, and its important members were Jews. You want names? Adolf Eichmann, Joseph Mengele, Adolf Hitler, Menachem Begin (former Israeli Prime minister)

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    Yep, it's a big mistake to assume Google will show you all information.

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/comes...ews-two-faced/
    I can point out an error in this article:
    Mass murderer Stalin was a Jew; his Georgian name Jughashvili meaning "son of a Jew"

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    Yep, it's a big mistake to assume Google will show you all information.

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/comes...ews-two-faced/
    I can point out an error in this article:
    Mass murderer Stalin was a Jew; his Georgian name Jughashvili meaning "son of a Jew"

    It's also a massive mistake to assume sites that promote hatred such as this one that you've linked to
    will show you anything remotely related to truth.

    Please explain the sources for the claims that you've made in posts 6 and 9.

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    It's also a massive mistake to assume sites that promote hatred such as this one that you've linked to
    will show you anything remotely related to truth.
    Even many Israelis understand that the roots of the modern Israeli state are in German relocation programs that were set up under the Third Reich, and involved Jewish leaders as willing participants. The UK monarchs were sympathetic to the Nazis and remember, they signed the Balfour Declaration. None of this is just a coincidence.

    Wikipedia even has an article on the Haavara Agreement:

    Quote The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברה Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.[1]

    The agreement enabled Jews fleeing persecution under the new Nazi regime to transfer some portion of their assets to British Mandatory Palestine.[2] Emigrants sold their assets in Germany to pay for essential goods (manufactured in Germany) to be shipped to Mandatory Palestine.[3][4] The agreement was controversial at the time, and was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement (such as the Revisionist Zionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky) and outside it, as well as by members of the NSDAP and members of the German public.[4] For German Jews, the agreement offered a way to leave an increasingly hostile environment in Germany; for the Yishuv, the new Jewish community in Palestine, it offered access to both immigrant labor and economic support; for the Germans it facilitated the emigration of German Jews while breaking the anti-Nazi boycott of 1933, which had mass support among European Jews and was thought by the German state to be a potential threat to the German economy.[4][5]
    Pay attention to what this says, and go check the sources they are citing if you don't want to take some Wikipedia editor's word for it. There is plenty of historical documentation for this and that's why this page is allowed to exist on Wikipedia in the first place.

    Talking about Nazis, Zionists, Soviets, etc. has become so cartoonish in the general media today that people can't seem to even think straight when the terms come up. People almost seem to think of the WW2 era as some kind of comic book as "good vs. evil" instead of the actual complexity that always applies in every era of history. This is not a cut-and-dry topic by any means. As far as I'm concerned there were no "good guys" during WW2. Everyone has blood on their hands, and double agents were in all governments.

    Notice specifically in the article above:
    1. Zionist leaders were willing to make a deal with the Nazis to spend German money relocating Jews to British Palestine, the future site of Israel.
    2. Despite it causing controversy within the Nazi party, Nazi leaders were also willing to make this deal with the Zionists.
    3. The British were also involved. The British not only occupied Palestine, but the royals had Nazi sympathies. So why were they so willing to also help the Zionists? Why sign the Balfour Declaration after WW2?

    There have been rumors ever since WW2 that Hitler was the bastard child of a Rothschild maid. I don't know whether or not there is any truth to that, but it would not at all surprise me.

    Some additional sources on the links between Zionism and Nazism if you are interested, other than becoming emotional because of decades of social programming:

    These first two videos were hosted on C-SPAN, hardly a bunch of "hate" mongers, and aired on public television:





    Just because you might not like to hear this information doesn't make it equivalent to "hate." The scholars such as the author explaining these issues in the videos above are extremely sober about all of this.

    A British politician pointing out the same thing:



    I'm far from a fan of Netanyahu, who I believe is a war criminal, but even he acknowledges the transfer agreement:




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    As it is said, Germans lost the war, but Nazis simply changed countries.
    Where to?

    USA and Israel.
    NASA is a Nazi organization, and Israel is an absolute Nazi state.

    The Nazi Party in Germany was originally a Jewish party, and its important members were Jews. You want names? Adolf Eichmann, Joseph Mengele, Adolf Hitler, Menachem Begin (former Israeli Prime minister)
    I know what you are talking about, but I want to add that the "devil is in the details" and all of this is more complicated than such short posts could do justice to.

    Certain elements of the US government and military did bring back Nazi scientists and propagandists after the war, but we were also heavily infiltrated by Communists and Soviet spies. McCarthy was vindicated when the USSR collapsed and we recovered paperwork proving the extent of Soviet spy operations in the US. Soviet spies were even working on the Manhattan Project, which was probably also recovered Nazi technology.

    When you add in traditional American patriots, who just wanted to follow the Constitution, you're left with a situation where there was already a three-way "Cold War" even within the United States government and military.

    The consequences of this are still playing out today. This is the origin of the Bush political dynasty, the military industrial complex, and virtually every other form of corruption and degeneracy that has crept into the US since WW2. The collapse of the USSR was not the end of international Communism, just as the collapse of Germany at the end of WW2 was not the end of the Nazis. Both of these are effectively international networks at this point, and are all over the world.

    Germany was also divided between Communists and National Socialists before and after the Nazis came to power. There wasn't much middle ground left in their domestic struggles, and they knew virtually nothing of republicanism in the American tradition, having been ruled by Kaisers and all the rest prior to the Weimar Republic. The Weimar Republic itself was either taken over or wholly controlled by Bolsheviks since the end of WW1, proved to be an utter failure, and was promoting the same kinds of social degeneracy that have become rampant in the US today. That is why the German people rallied so enthusiastically around the social conservatism of the Nazis in the first place, despite the fact that their economic and public policies were otherwise nearly identical to the Communists.

    This video really deserves watching:



    It's about Hitler's economic policies. Hitler admired the Soviet planned economy and believed that it would work miracles for the Soviet Union. He was of course wrong. But the point is that the National Socialists were in fact socialists from an economic perspective, and they still understood as little about free market capitalism and republicanism as they had during the Weimar period.

    For those who remember Obama's famous quote, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that; somebody else made that happen," Hitler held the exact same economic philosophy, which is how he justified the Third Reich asserting direct influence over German industrialists when they were unwilling to bend to the state's demands for production.



    Woods reads a direct quote from Hitler in his presentation above, and it goes like this (start at the 25 minute mark in the video above):

    Quote The view that the utilization of a fortune, no matter of what size, is solely the private affair of the individual, requires to be corrected all the more in the National Socialist state, because without the contribution of the community, no individual would have been able to enjoy such an advantage.
    That is a direct quote from Hitler that amounts to Obama's philosophy of "You didn't build that," ie anything individual entrepreneurs do "rightfully" belongs to the government to do with as it pleases. Private property must be subservient to the government's interests, in other words, which was also a major philosophy during the radical phase of the French Revolution in the 1790s, before Marx was even born. This is the exact opposite of economic liberalism, and is identical, not only with socialism, but an extreme form of socialism that equates to communism (ie the direct seizure of the means of production by the government).

    Stalin himself, for all of his faults, was even an improvement over the Soviet government that came before him, if you look at the radicals who initiated the Russian Revolution in the first place. The only reason Stalin was able to come to power was because of the social chaos and instability that the first Soviet government had caused, and Stalin actually stabilized that chaos and relaxed the more insane policies of the earlier communist government, despite obviously remaining a totalitarian communist himself. Stalin brought back social conservatism in the USSR where the Bolsheviks had not even been in favor of that.

    So these are just a few of the many complicating details of everything that was going on around that era, and how it is still playing out today, without most people even being aware of it.

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    > Please explain the sources for the claims that you've made in posts 6 and 9.

    The best sources for me was Eustace Mullins. Whatever he claimed, turned out to be true. It has nothing to do with hatred or "anti-semitism" but bare truth.

    Other sources were supplied by A Voice from the Mountains.

    I studied anthropology in the US decades ago, and it was already tainted with "political correctness" and cultural Marxism. I had to read articles by Ashley Montagu and they were full of hatred and liberal, socialist propaganda. Now according to the article
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/comes...ews-two-faced/
    Ashley Montagu's real name is Israel Ehrenberg.

    That explains everything.

    ------
    Eustace Mullins on Nazism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spvE...ctr=1553762830

    on holocaust
    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdf_boo..._holocaust.pdf
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    The best sources for me was Eustace Mullins.
    Oh dear.

    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    Whatever he claimed, turned out to be true. It has nothing to do with hatred or "anti-semitism" but bare truth.

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    That's what happens if you trust the wikipedia blindly.
    There was a thread about its biased contents, and I can't find it now.

    In addition to its typical cliches of "denier" "anti-semite," wiki is still using the disgusting photo of him in the FBI file from 1951.

    One prophecy he made in the 1970s and I thought he was wrong went something like: the US will be surpassed by the Soviet Union. Of course, the Soviet Union collapsed and I thought Mullins was completely off.

    But nowadays, Putin's Russia is making a revival, while the US continues to decline, so Mullins may prove to be right after all.

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    That's what happens if you trust the wikipedia blindly.
    Ramus - apologies for sidetracking your thread but I would like to respond to Didgevillage

    Wikipedia played no part in the disdain I feel for Eustace Mullins: my opinion was formed from reading his own words in tracts such as “Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation”,
    “The Biological Jew” and "Jews mass poison American children”.

    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    In addition to its typical cliches of "denier" "anti-semite," ...
    Your post implies that you consider the label “anti semitic” to be unjust. It's actually a perfect fit, based on what he has written about the Jewish people:



    "Jews are ”hate crime against nature."
    “The existence of the Jewish parasite upon the host is a crime against nature, because its existence imperils the health and the life of the host.
    Thus, everything that the Jew does in connection with this parasitic existence is a criminal act, and part of an overall criminal existence."

    "Treason, fraud, perversion, all the hallmarks of Jewish life among the gentiles in the Diaspora. And it is parasitism."

    "The Jew has always functioned best as a panderer, a pornographer, a master of prostitution, an apostle of sexual perversion, an enemy of the
    prevailing sexual standards and prohibitions of the gentile community."

    "This religious ceremony of drinking the blood of an innocent gentile child is basic to the Jew's entire concept of his existence as a parasite,
    living off of the blood of the host."

    "Concentration camps were run by the Zionist Jews in order to punish and get rid of the anti-Zionist Jews."

    "Get the Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community. Get the Jews out of education and they cannot
    pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines. Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the nation.”

    "In this country, it is the Jewish intellectuals, bankers, and industrialists who are in the forefront of the battle to enslave all Americans and
    take away their freedom forever. "

    "National Socialism is simply this - a proposal that the German people rid themselves of the parasitic Jews. The gentile host dared to protest
    against the continued presence of the parasite, and attempted to throw it off."

    “There are so many thousands of well-attested examples of Jewish murder of children that we need only cite a few.”

    “The Jews have also developed dangerous new drugs which induce insanity in gentiles.”

    “It therefore behooves American parents to avoid leaving their children unguarded in the presence of a Jewish physician or placing the child
    in a hospital run by Jews.”


    As you seem to revere the man, would I be wrong in assuming that you hold the same views as him?

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    "Get the Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community. Get the Jews out of education and they cannot
    pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines. Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the nation.”

    These are actually the words of Ezra Pound, Mullins' mentor and they apply to any country.
    The Byzantine Empire lasted over thousand years because it practiced exactly that.

    All the quotes in italics above happen to be correct. The concentration camps, many of which I visited in Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia, were not death camps as advertised. The most "notorious" ones in Auschwitz (There were a few there) were agricultural experiment centers. There were absolutely no "gas chambers" anywhere.

    http://tomatobubble.com/id928.html
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    Again, I think using too many blanket terms and broad generalizations is clouding what valuable information we might get out of these kinds of discussions. "The devil is in the details"!

    Lounge Lizard,

    I notice that you seem to have a bit of knowledge about the Jewish religion from some of your other posts. Maybe you have a more intimate understanding of it than I do, but I've had an interest in the religion and its history from three different angles: religious (via the history/theology of Christianity), historical, and mystical (via the Kabbalah, which I used to study some number of years ago). I wasn't raised in the religion, though, so I approach it as an outsider.

    When I was studying the Kabbalah and medieval mysticism and occultism in general, I realized that much of medieval occultism and magic was essentially Jewish mysticism. A lot of it is attributed back to King Solomon, whether or not that is historically accurate (of course conventional historians don't believe that), and the star of David itself is considered to have first appeared only during the Middle Ages, much later than the Mosaic texts.

    Anyway, what I want to draw attention to is a radical sect that began to emerge at the end of the Middle Ages, and became known as the "Frankists" during the 1700s, after a guy who claimed to be the messiah, named Jacob Frank. I believe this particular guy and his adherents may have been largely responsible for the terrible reputation that Jews as a whole developed among Europeans around that time, because he specifically taught his sect to violate as many laws and moral values as possible, to the horror of their Christian neighbors, who thought they were purely Satanic.

    I don't like to keep citing Wikipedia, but they at least list other sources to follow up with, if you aren't familiar with this guy.

    Quote Frankism

    Frankism was a Jewish religious movement of the 18th and 19th centuries,[1] centered on the leadership of the Jewish Messiah claimant Jacob Frank, who lived from 1726 to 1791. Frank rejected religious norms, and said his followers were obligated to transgress as many moral boundaries as possible. At its height it claimed perhaps 500,000 followers, primarily Jews living in Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe.[1][2][3]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism

    I think the location of this particular sect is also interesting considering that Poland and that general area of Europe is where virtually all of the Nazi death camps were reported by the Soviet Union. The areas that the Allies liberated had either very few or none at all, I don't remember. But I find the coinciding geography interesting given the history of this sect.

    Here's the meat of the Wikipedia article:

    Quote Unlike traditional Judaism, which provides a set of detailed guidelines called "halakha" that are scrupulously followed by observant Jews and regulate many aspects of life,[4] Frank claimed that "all laws and teachings will fall"[5] and – following antinomianism – asserted that the most important obligation of every person was the transgression of every boundary.[6]

    Frankism is commonly associated[by whom?] with Sabbateanism, a religious movement that formed around the identification of the 17th-century Jewish rabbi Sabbatai Zevi as the Jewish messiah.[1][3] Like Frankism, the earlier forms of Sabbateanism believed that at least in some circumstances, antinomianism[1] was the correct path.[7] Zevi himself would perform actions that violated traditional Jewish taboos, such as eating foods that were forbidden by Jewish dietary laws and celebrating prescribed fast days as feast days.[8] Especially after Zevi's death, a number of branches of Sabbateanism evolved, which disagreed among themselves over which aspects of traditional Judaism should be preserved and which discarded. [9] The more radical branches even engaged in sexual foreplay.[10] In Frankism, orgies featured prominently in ritual.[2]

    Several authorities on Sabbateanism, including Heinrich Graetz and Aleksander Kraushar, were skeptical of the existence of such a thing as a distinctive "Frankist" doctrine. According to Gershom Scholem, another authority on Sabbateanism, Kraushar had described Frank's sayings as "grotesque, comical and incomprehensible." In his classic essay "Redemption Through Sin," Scholem argued a different position, seeing Frankism as a later and more radical outgrowth of Sabbateanism.[11] In contrast, Jay Michaelson argues that Frankism was "an original theology that was innovative, if sinister" and was in many respects a departure from the earlier formulations of Sabbateanism. In traditional Sabbatean doctrine, Zevi – and often his followers – claimed to be able to liberate the sparks of holiness hidden within what seemed to be evil. According to Michaelson, Frank's theology asserted that the attempt to liberate the sparks of holiness was the problem, not the solution. Rather, Frank claimed that the "mixing" between holy and unholy was virtuous.[6] Netanel Lederberg claims that Frank had a Gnostic philosophy wherein there was a "true God" whose existence was hidden by a "false God." This "true God" could allegedly only be revealed through a total destruction of the social and religious structures created by the "false God," thus leading to a thorough antinomianism. For Frank, the very distinction between good and evil is a product of a world governed by the "false God." Lederberg compares Frank's position to that of Friedrich Nietzsche.[12]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism

    I wonder if these particular people were even Jews at all, by the common understanding of the term.

    In all three of the Abrahamic religions, you have people claiming to be holy, sometimes the very holiest people in their particular sect (the Pope in Catholicism, the Saudi royals in Wahabism, Frank Jacob claiming to be the Messiah, etc. etc.), and yet they leave behind evidence of practicing something more akin to what people today might call "Satanism," though I don't think the traditional Christian understanding of "Satan" has any more to do with it than the traditional understanding of Judaism as an Abrahamic faith.

    And speaking of this, guess who else was allied to the Nazis during WW2?...



    Yep, the Vatican.

    And who else worked with the Nazis?



    Islamic leaders. This is what Netanyahu was referring to in the video above, too, about an Islamic leader visiting Germany and complaining to Hitler about the transfer agreement.

    So, to recap: Zionists, the Vatican, and Muslims were all working together with the Nazi regime during the 1930s. Tell me that isn't a little bit bizarre!

    Sooner or later I think people will come to an understanding that all three of the major Abrahamic religions have been headed by some pretty sick people, in the same way that the "scum rises to the top" in most powerful institutions. Just as power corrupts, sociopaths are naturally most adept at doing whatever it takes to reach heights of power.

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    Hitler had a number of Jewish generals in his Wehrmacht in addition to common soldiers
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.prem...iers-1.5254336

    Hmm, maybe the site is too anti-semitic.

    Erhard Milch was a Jewish field marshall in Hitler's Luftwaffe

    Hitler had no quarrel with Britain and did everything to avoid a war with Britain, but Churchill, who had a Jewish American mother, wanted a war with Germany by hook or crook.

    The goal of Nazi Germany was removal of murderous Bolshviks from power in the "Soviet Union," a Jewish paradise.
    https://russia-insider.com/en/jewish...eid=4cfe1e7547

    http://www.texemarrs.com/022006/geor...uble_agent.htm

    It is about time to re-examine the whole WWII narratives without preconceived notions.

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    then start with the German Turn und Taxis clan; I believe this clan /formerly known Torre e Tassos during the Renaissance/ has much more power than we can believe- and I believe this is all connected to the Vatican-

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