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    I managed to visit this place yesterday
    https://katieaune.com/ganina-yama/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganina_Yama

    If the Bolshevik Jews hated and wanted to get rid of the Romanovs, thus erasing the past for the Russians, the Bolshevik Jews must have known that the Christian past was important for Russia
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    For example, Germans and American soldiers working together to protect prisoners of war against Nazi attackers during the Battle for Castle Itter.
    I once read a book called No Simple Victory about how no "good guys" won or even participated in WW2, if only for the fact that the USSR was even more brutal and murderous than the Nazis, and yet we allied with the Soviets.

    There are a number of stories in the book about how German and American soldiers got along outside of battle, compared to how Soviet and Germans got along outside of battle (not for the faint of heart).

    In one case, a platoon of American soldiers were about to cross the defenses of the Rhine to invade Germany proper, and they had been marching along the outskirts of the German defenses in the snow when they came across a cottage. The German couple living in the cottage welcomed the American soldiers into their home, on the condition that they not cause any trouble for their guests. Their guests, of course, were German soldiers, also taking advantage of the warmth and free food. After the initial awkwardness, the two groups of soldiers warmed up enough to each other to sing "Silent Night" together in their respective languages before parting ways.

    There are a lot of stories like that from both world wars. By the end of the war, with the country in a severe famine, so many German soldiers were trying to surrender to the American forces, that the Americans would simply wave them past and ignore them, allowing them to keep their weapons and all, in a hurry to meet the Soviets to set a hard boundary to the Red Army's advance.

    The Soviets, on the other hand, had a saying, that no women were off limits, "from 8 to 80," meaning they raped, murdered, and even crucified any German women they came across from 8 years old to 80 years old. These were our allies in the war, remember. They weren't any nicer to the men and boys. Soviets are estimated to have killed about 6 million civilians between the Baltic states and Berlin alone. The book I mentioned above has pictures of some of the horrific scenes the Soviets left in their wake.

    General Patton knew that the Soviets were going to cause us serious trouble beginning immediately after the end of the war, and he advocated for turning on the Soviets and pushing through to Moscow. He was already sizing them up, and was confident that he could punch through their front lines and envelope their entire ragged army, but Eisenhower wouldn't hear of it. It's interesting to imagine how history might have played out differently if the Iron Curtain had never existed.

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    Stalin, a Georgian Jew, didn't care about Russian lives and he let hundreds of thousands starve to death in Leningrad, and shot Soviet POWs after their return from German captivity.

    The losses in the Red Army were staggering because many able generals were shot by Stalin on one excuse or another.

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    Stalin, a Georgian Jew, didn't care about Russian lives and he let hundreds of thousands starve to death in Leningrad, and shot Soviet POWs after their return from German captivity.

    The losses in the Red Army were staggering because many able generals were shot by Stalin on one excuse or another.
    Lenine was Jewish, this is definitely proven, and many of the communist revolution were Jewish. But Stalin???? Georgian yes, but Jew? I did not know. Where did you get that information?

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    Born in Gori, Georgia to illiterate peasant parents (who had been serfs at birth), his harsh spirit has been blamed on undeserved and severe beatings by his father, inspiring vengeful feelings towards anyone in a position to wield power over him (perhaps also a reason he became a revolutionary). His mother set him on a path to become a priest, and he studied Russian Orthodox Christianity until he was nearly twenty.https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-stalin
    this does not sound very Jewish
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    His Georgian name says it all.
    Jughashvili: son of Jew

    He was a Rothschild employee in Baku before his political career in communist Russia.
    All literature with Jewish editors as well as "Jew-or-not-Jew?" sites conclude men with some achievement as Jews, and criminals and crazies as non-Jews.

    There was a Russian diplomat who wrote about Russian history. Stalin virtually married only Jewish women but his brother-in-law controlled and eventually poisoned him.

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/241872...ionId=46355107

    It was General Zhukov's coup d'etat which removed from power this crazed mass murder from Power

    http://www.texemarrs.com/022006/geor...uble_agent.htm
    Texe Marrs says all communist leaders,including Khrushchev and Yeltsin, were Jews except Gorbachev, who according to another source, descended from the Habsburgs.

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    His Georgian name says it all.
    Jughashvili: son of Jew

    He was a Rothschild employee in Baku before his political career in communist Russia.
    All literature with Jewish editors as well as "Jew-or-not-Jew?" sites conclude men with some achievement as Jews, and criminals and crazies as non-Jews.

    There was a Russian diplomat who wrote about Russian history. Stalin virtually married only Jewish women but his brother-in-law controlled and eventually poisoned him.

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/241872...ionId=46355107

    It was General Zhukov's coup d'etat which removed from power this crazed mass murder from Power

    http://www.texemarrs.com/022006/geor...uble_agent.htm
    Texe Marrs says all communist leaders,including Khrushchev and Yeltsin, were Jews except Gorbachev, who according to another source, descended from the Habsburgs.
    the first link of yours refers to Beria, not to Stalin

    the second link direct us to an articles with spoof pictures that have been debunked and stories hard to prove at times.

    there is one thing I totally despise: having the forum flooded with fake stories

    Prove to us without possible doubt what you are saying or go elsewhere to spread lies and junk

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    Bolsheviks were a re-surge of the Student Group, known for the world's first suicide bombing in the 19th century. This was already Swiss-British backed, was not welcomed by Russians, had no members older than 30, and few more than 25.

    The Cold War legitimately came from a lack of on-the-ground intelligence. Russia had just been smashed by Germany and France and saw America projecting force across the ocean, so they felt they needed the Iron Curtain on one side, even though America could not have repeated the invasion. To the east, the atomic bomb was an utter lie, and just a show of force towards Russia. Americans in their turn thought the Iron Curtain was another take-over of Europe, which was not possible or intended.

    When NATO was organized, everyone stopped talking when Russia asked to join.

    The Romanovs had been dangerously close to making peace with the royals of Britain. Thus they were both under-cut by basically the same gang. If those monarchies had retained influence, the world as we know it would not have happened. The issue of there being Jews involved is partly true and partly Christian Fascism (Jesuit and Protestant). They (collectively) have mostly been placed in position as someone to blame, while, of course, there is a great deal of Zionist guilt.

    India, who offered many of her sons to help the British in the "Great War", was thanked with 1,650 machine gun rounds sprayed into a festival in Amritsar, where "hardly a bullet was wasted". From this point, Gandhi found them to be "evil, if not outright satanic". The 20th century as a whole mostly seems to be a disgusting horror story. The success or emergence of some truly good power was...?

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    What spoof pictures?
    Pastor Texe Marrs never wrote fake stories.

    [Blipped by Hervé as a useless derailing comment]

    Beria was a brother-in-law of Stalin, and became a virtual controller of Stalin behind the scenes.
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    Hervé's original post is about debunking the nonsense that Europe was all roses and strawberries before the industrial revolution, so this whole side-discussion about Stalin might belong in a separate thread.

    I only want to throw in that whether Stalin was a Jew or not, I don't believe he was the Rothschild's guy. Trotsky was, but Trotsky didn't make it. Stalin was too successful as a Bolshevik thug and seized power for himself. That's why he was always so paranoid as to have creaky wooden floors installed in his mansion. He was no one's puppet. And as brutal as he was, he actually reversed the most insane Bolshevik social policies, and restored a kind of social conservatism in the USSR, while still economically a communist, and had more in common with Hitler in that regard than people often appreciate.

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    Can someone explain how is it remotely possible for ONE human to have power over others?
    The question is somewhat rhetorical as the answers are simple.
    1. Others may believe that the person is divine somehow.
    2. The man has some psy ability to control the minds of others.
    3. The man has a serious weapon that can remotely or clandestinely take another out, and he has proven this.
    4. The man has surrounded himself by people willing to mindlessly kill and die for him (see 2)
    5. The man is a puppet and is being used by hidden powers, human or otherwise to do their bidding and they use things in option 3.

    Why even bother to give power to another and then play the blame game?

    Everything that has happened in the past is still true today but at a much much larger scale.
    However horrible it was, it is much much worse now simply because of the numbers of people involved.
    Of course, this absolutely does not mean there is no improvement, just that things grow in every directions.

    Things are simultaneously better, worse, more frightening, more horrifying, more uncertain, more amazing, ...etc...
    The question is do we argue over what was and kill each other or decide what kind of world or worlds to create and try to give reason for other perhaps more powerful beings to allow us to take another breath?

    And if the galaxy is full of powerful and horrible civilizations, are we to increase our weapons capacities and what, take them out? And all the other galaxies? Is this humanities contribution to the universe?
    Is it all about survival of the fittest, most powerful? --- I feel like most people do believe this, thus the world we live in.

    If this little rant is considered to be off topic, I submit that Lenin and Trotsky and Stalin and Hitler prove that people are simply still much too stupid or powerless to choose another path.
    Oh and I did not forget Trump and all the other human and subhuman beings.

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    What spoof pictures?
    Pastor Texe Marrs never wrote fake stories.

    This is my response to the attack by Flash.
    So sorry, I can't do the "quote" thing.

    Toward the end of his life, Stalin was so paranoid, he changed the room he slept in every night.
    He executed so many able Red Army generals, it was in total disarray. But Stalin, a Georgian Jew, didn't give a rats arse about Russian deaths.

    Even Wikipedia mentions that Stalin worked in Baku (where he should have stayed for life). But he was the man for the Rothschilds to conduct the red terror in the Soviet Union. Really nothing to romanticize about.

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    ...

    Regarding the Rothschilds/Rockefellers consortium:


    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    For an idea on the “big” picture…

    Below are excerpts from the work of whistle blower Sue Ann Arrigo.

    These give the blue print for what’s happening currently to this planet on the 3D level

    Here is how the implemented strategy has worked in the past:

    Rothschilds/John D. Rockefeller, Sr. funded the Bolshevik Revolution

    Per his writings in the Archives, John D. Rockefeller helped fund the Bolshevik Revolution to get the wealth of the Czars, the labor of the Russian people, and much the Southern Oil fields in Russia. That wealth changed its name from Czarist, to Russian Government owned. Ignore the names, what happened to it? Did the people of Russia get it? No. The Rockefeller Archives show that he built a private army in Russia, much like the Brown Shirt army later. His accountant said that for each 2 cents that he spent to build that Army he got a dollar back. That Army was not staying up late to knit socks to sell. They were beating people up and committing assassinations, massacres, and mayhem to terrorize the populace into submission. And he was bribing officials to get what he wanted. He was apparently famous for that in the US as well. See www.reformation.org/rockefeller-bribery.html .

    [...] the Rockefellers charged about 18% interest on the money that they loaned Lenin for the Revolution. The way that agreement was set up made all of the loot that Lenin could seize in Russia, the Rockefellers/Rothschilds.


    […]That meant that Lenin and Stalin could never get out of debt unless they could work people nearly to death to produce the goods Rockefeller/Rothschilds wanted. People thought that the ridiculous factory quotas the Russians tried to accomplish were the result of communism. That was not what I thought after reading the Archives. The Rockefellers were setting the quotas and delighting in the profits. They also delighted in giving the Russians quotas they could not meet as a way of humiliating them.

    […] I sent him [Gorbachev] copies from the Archives of documents that showed those policies had been forced upon Stalin by Rockefeller. While the people of Russia starved, Rockefeller was also insisting that Stalin sell him the grain at the price and amounts previously agreed to. But Rockefeller did not need that grain. And Rockefeller was, to a large extent, responsible for the bad policies that caused the poor crop yields and meant that selling that same amount of grain overseas ensured famine. It appeared to be a deliberate attempt, not just to get grain cheaply, but to starve people. The private journals of John D. Rockefeller, Jr. confirmed that. The Rockefeller Family seemed obsessed by the desire to kill people off, including by starvation. The Rockefellers have long backed population control measures fairly publicly. That was not a secret, nor their funding of ‘eugenics’ research’. See http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/omegafile29.htm , http://www.eugenics-watch.com/eugbook/,euod_ch1.html , http://illuminati-news.com/nazi-california.htm. But, the behind the scenes maneuvers on how they were committing those Crimes Against Humanity were secret. To them Communism was a lovely excuse to steal the wealth of the rich Russians and then kill off the poor who were not working in their factories. The factories and the oil fields had the name of the Soviet Union on them, as if they belong to the Russian Govt.. But an examination of the chain of command structure and the flow of money made it look like the Rockefellers et al were already well on their way to being Kings of the World.

    Let me give you an example of that so you can understand how this system worked in practice.

    John D. Rockefeller, Jr., wanted to crash prices in South America of a type of goods to force his competitors into closing. If I remember correctly, the country was Argentina and the goods were stainless steel cookware--pots and pans, bowls, and cutlery. They were items peasants had to buy to live. They were also heavy and it made absolutely no sense to ship them from Russia since they were already made in adequate quantities by factories in that country. But they were not Rockefeller’s factories so a part of the markets’ share of money was not going to them. That was an anathema to John. D., Jr. He wanted to own everything and everyone, or kill them.

    So, he wrote a letter to Stalin and told him how much and what kind of each item he wanted. It was a huge order, perhaps several Latin American countries worth. Rockefeller was going to dropped the prices of the goods to drive the Latin American factories out of business. Then he would buy them cheaply. Having a monopoly he would then raise the price of the goods to steal even more from the peasants. His journal shows that he intended to cause their children to starve, if at all possible. It was not an unintended consequence of his business practices. I saw instances in which he was willing to lose money to make others starve. It was really quite sad to read about the life of a man who was so desperately unhappy that this was what it took to distract him from that fact.

    [...]

    Stalin got the order and wrote back saying that he could not meet those deadlines in 2 months time. Rockefeller wrote back saying he had to ‘or else’.

    I wanted to know what the “or else” was.

    Later I came across invoices for the guards of Stalin which Rockefeller was paying. They were not just regulars, they were a special outfit chosen by Rockefeller. They were not ethnically the same as Stalin. It appeared that they had been chosen by Rockefeller to have no qualms about killing Stalin, if ordered to do so. The head of them was writing reports on Stalin’s activities to John D. more often than Stalin was writing to John D. After looking into it even further than I have said, I concluded that John D.’s threat to kill Stalin was a credible one.

    Stalin was humiliated in more ways that one by trying to fill that order in time. He did not succeed, as hard and as desperately as he tried. He was a week late. Furthermore, this was during the height of the German attack on Russia, about a month before the battle of Stalingrad when the order was completed. It meant that steel and railway transport that would have gone into making of rifles did not. Russian soldiers went into the battle of Stalingrad, Stalin’s namesake, with only about 35% of them carrying a rifle! They had to rush forward into battle defenselessly or be shot in the back. Only after one of their buddies got killed could they pick up a fallen weapon to defend themselves. That caused a huge rift among them which they could not solve. It was designed to destroy their team spirit and turned them against each other.

    The Battle of Stalingard was almost a defeat for the Russia people because of what John D. did. His journal showed that he intended for the battle to be a Russian defeat and allow him to spread the war all across Russia. He agonized on the pages of his journal about whether his timing was right and the order big enough. He wanted the fighting to continue all across Russia and not just lead to a Russian capitulation. He wanted to destroy all the shop keepers and small enterprises that had not yet been nationalized and brought under his control. His journal said that he cried at his loses when the Russians bravely managed to force the Germans to retreat. But he did not call them brave in his journal and I will not repeat the derogatory phrases. Skull and Bones calls people not in it Barbarians, will they help the Rockefellers plan and execute mass murders, such as at Auschwitz and other Nazi death camps. It is clear that they have some problems in their thinking.

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    What spoof pictures?
    Pastor Texe Marrs never wrote fake stories.

    This is my response to the attack by Flash.
    So sorry, I can't do the "quote" thing.

    Toward the end of his life, Stalin was so paranoid, he changed the room he slept in every night.
    He executed so many able Red Army generals, it was in total disarray. But Stalin, a Georgian Jew, didn't give a rats arse about Russian deaths.

    Even Wikipedia mentions that Stalin worked in Baku (where he should have stayed for life). But he was the man for the Rothschilds to conduct the red terror in the Soviet Union. Really nothing to romanticize about.
    BUsh junior pic with a Talmud book, seen on Texe Marrs web site, in his hand has been debunked, with other pics using the same base but changing the books.

    Just do a google check on the debunking, the proofs are there.

    One fake pic, probably some more fake stories.

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    BUsh junior pic with a Talmud book, seen on Texe Marrs web site, in his hand has been debunked, with other pics using the same base but changing the books.
    The Bush family is one of the oldest (and fatally influential) Jewish families in America.
    There's nothing surprising about baby Bush walking around with a Talmud in his hand.
    There's nothing to romanticize about America's past.

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    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    Quote Posted by Flash (here)

    BUsh junior pic with a Talmud book, seen on Texe Marrs web site, in his hand has been debunked, with other pics using the same base but changing the books.
    The Bush family is one of the oldest (and fatally influential) Jewish families in America.
    There's nothing surprising about baby Bush walking around with a Talmud in his hand.
    There's nothing to romanticize about America's past.
    Bon Hervé, est-ce fini cet incroyable modification de l'histoire, ajoutée aux modifications officielles déjà pénibles. C'est pour ça qu'on ne s'y retrouve plus jamais, avec les exagérations des fanatiques ajoutées à celles de ceux au pouvoir ou des gagnants. Une recherche minimale rejette tout au moins une demie de ce que cet énergumène écrit. L'autre moitié, même si elle était vraie, devient tellement rébarbative qu'on ne veut plus l'écouter.

    L'Idée est de "debunk romantic ideas" pas de déformer l'histoire, mais plutôt de la remettre pour ce qu'elle était.

    En d'autres mots, je le rapporte comme, et j'ai honte de le dire, puisque ce terme est sur-utilisé par les concernés, pour faire taire la majorité, mais cette fois, je le crois justifié, pouvez-vous tenir en laisse cet anti-sémite? Qui n'est de surcroît surement même pas japonais.

    Merci

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    Written in my mothertongue because I have no taste for arguments.
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    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    His Georgian name says it all.
    Jughashvili: son of Jew
    'Jew' in Georgian is 'Ebraeli', so that theory doesn't work.

    Stalin’s biography by Montefieore - “Young Stalin” - states that the name means “son of Juga” and is either Ossetian (meaning “herd”) or Georgian (djuga) meaning “steel.”

    That would make sense as Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili’s chosen name in later years - Joseph Stalin - translates as Man of Steel.

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    He was a Rothschild employee in Baku before his political career in communist Russia.
    To be more accurate: he worked as a labourer in a Rothschild-owned storehouse. He was the instigator behind several uprisings against the management, including strike action.
    Hardly the Rothschild acolyte you are implying here.

    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    Stalin virtually married only Jewish women but his brother-in-law controlled and eventually poisoned him.
    Neither of Stalin’s wives was Jewish. From the site you referred to:

    "One of the myths perpetrated by Neo-Nazis of the Intertubes is that Joseph Stalin had three Jewish wives. It's a completely erroneous statement that nevertheless leads to an intriguing mystery.
    First of all, Stalin was only married twice: to Ekaterina Svanidze and Nadezhda Alliluyeva. Neither of the two were Jewish.
    Svanidze was a Georgian who married Stalin in an Orthodox church.
    Alliluyeva was ethnically Russian, with Georgian, Gypsy, and German roots. She was Christened at birth.
    So: no Jews. Shut case."

    http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1288

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    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/241872...ionId=46355107
    Texe Marrs says all communist leaders,including Khrushchev and Yeltsin, were Jews except Gorbachev, who according to another source, descended from the Habsburgs.
    Texe Marrs says a lot of things ...doesn't make any of them right...

    (how on earth did this thread end up here )

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    The Bush family is one of the oldest (and fatally influential) Jewish families in America.
    Source, please.

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    Written in my mothertongue because I have no taste for arguments.
    De toute évidence, vous n'avez aucun goût pour la vérité. Puisses-tu passer le reste de ta vie dans des fantasmes de sommeil profond sans te réveiller.

    Written in the mother tongue of my ex-wife, because it permits someone to remain in mental coma for centuries.
    Translation: Obviously, you have no taste for the truth.

    That verges on ad hominem. Flash has shown herself over the years to be a dedicated, open minded and sincere truth seeker.
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    Default Re: Debunking Romantic Ideas About the Past

    ”Jew” in Slavic langues is Żyd, Žid, etc., and it's like calling a black a Negro.
    In the areas of the former Soviet Union, "Evrey" (Hebrew) is more or less a safe way to say it.

    So strange, isn't it, calling a German a German, an Englishman an Englishman, a Chinese a Chinese, etc., poses no problem, but Jews and blacks. Never.

    "This publication of the National Jewish Welfare Board lists a Major George Bush, Major Louis Bush, and Major Solomon Bush, as Jews participating in the American Revolutionary War against the British. It also reveals the money connection of Rothschild agent, Haym Salomon, to what it describes as the "weak U.S. government."
    http://www.texemarrs.com/022006/geor...uble_agent.htm

    https://fathersmanifesto.net/bush.htm

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    Default Re: Debunking Romantic Ideas About the Past

    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)

    "This publication of the National Jewish Welfare Board lists a Major George Bush, Major Louis Bush, and Major Solomon Bush, as Jews participating in the American Revolutionary War against the British. It also reveals the money connection of Rothschild agent, Haym Salomon, to what it describes as the "weak U.S. government."
    http://www.texemarrs.com/022006/geor...uble_agent.htm
    Strange. I looked on the National Jewish Welfare Board site and it states:

    "The Bureau of War Records include approximately 85,000 individual service files and 320,000 surrogate index cards collected by the BWR
    and the Greater New York War Records Committee on behalf of Jewish soldiers and sailors who served in World War II".


    Never having heard of this organisation, I have emailed them to see if they have records of Jewish soldiers who fight in the American Revolutionary War.

    I'll let you know what they say.

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