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    Eustace Mullins used to use Encyclopedia Judaica at the library of the University (of Virginia, I think). He told me that once they discovered who the regular user was, they hid or disposed of the encyclopedia. Same way with Google, Wikipedia, etc.
    "Hide it, if it's inconvenient."

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    He was a Rothschild employee in Baku before his political career in communist Russia.
    To be more accurate: he worked as a labourer in a Rothschild-owned storehouse. He was the instigator behind several uprisings against the management, including strike action.
    Hardly the Rothschild acolyte you are implying here.
    That's my thinking, too. He was just a rowdy thug.

    There is a declassified US Army intelligence report from WW1 that I could post here, that states that the Bolsheviks were receiving financial backing from Wall Street. What was the financial backing for? To give free money, food, and shelter to the Bolshevik thugs who just went around Moscow or whatever other city/town all day, causing mayhem and setting the stage for violent revolution. Stalin got in on that action and he was just too good at it.

    Stalin probably was economically beholden to the Rothschilds/Rockefellers, and the United States in general, if only because we supplied him with many, many tons of military equipment, including heavy equipment such as jeeps and other vehicles, even planes if I remember correctly. Stalin was obligated to pay for all of this somehow, and he damned sure wasn't going to do it with a free market economy.

    As far as the whole issue of Stalin's birth name and background, why wouldn't he just invent his own background, and kill everyone who said otherwise? He had his own son killed. The guy propped himself up as a god using propaganda and didn't shy away from killing anyone. So take anything about him coming out of the former USSR with a grain of salt.

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    He was a Rothschild employee in Baku before his political career in communist Russia.
    To be more accurate: he worked as a labourer in a Rothschild-owned storehouse. He was the instigator behind several uprisings against the management, including strike action.
    Hardly the Rothschild acolyte you are implying here.
    That's my thinking, too. He was just a rowdy thug.

    There is a declassified US Army intelligence report from WW1 that I could post here, that states that the Bolsheviks were receiving financial backing from Wall Street. What was the financial backing for? To give free money, food, and shelter to the Bolshevik thugs who just went around Moscow or whatever other city/town all day, causing mayhem and setting the stage for violent revolution. Stalin got in on that action and he was just too good at it.

    Stalin probably was economically beholden to the Rothschilds/Rockefellers, and the United States in general, if only because we supplied him with many, many tons of military equipment, including heavy equipment such as jeeps and other vehicles, even planes if I remember correctly. Stalin was obligated to pay for all of this somehow, and he damned sure wasn't going to do it with a free market economy.

    As far as the whole issue of Stalin's birth name and background, why wouldn't he just invent his own background, and kill everyone who said otherwise? He had his own son killed. The guy propped himself up as a god using propaganda and didn't shy away from killing anyone. So take anything about him coming out of the former USSR with a grain of salt.
    For once, I agree totally with you on this Voice.

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    "This publication of the National Jewish Welfare Board lists a Major George Bush, Major Louis Bush, and Major Solomon Bush, as Jews participating in the American Revolutionary War against the British. It also reveals the money connection of Rothschild agent, Haym Salomon, to what it describes as the "weak U.S. government."
    http://www.texemarrs.com/022006/geor...uble_agent.htm
    Strange. I looked on the National Jewish Welfare Board site and it states:

    "The Bureau of War Records include approximately 85,000 individual service files and 320,000 surrogate index cards collected by the BWR
    and the Greater New York War Records Committee on behalf of Jewish soldiers and sailors who served in World War II".


    Never having heard of this organisation, I have emailed them to see if they have records of Jewish soldiers who fight in the American Revolutionary War.

    I'll let you know what they say.
    There were Jews on both sides of the American Revolution, but they had more influence through loans than they did in combat.

    Anyone who has studied the heavy debates surrounding the US Constitution would know that it wasn't dominated by any one group. Nationalists in the North wanted to create a strong central government, and Jeffersonians in the South wanted a federal republic with sovereignty ultimately resting with the states, and the finer variations in opinion were myriad. The Constitution ended up being purposefully ambiguous on the issue as a result. To claim all of these years of controversy and debate was all part of some pre-ordained plot to restore individual liberties and set limitations on government power seems overly simplistic to say the least.

    I like to remind people that we have generally advanced in our standards of living since the medieval period, not declined. Whose agenda is that?

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    If you like, we shall divide the United States into two parts, one for you, James, and one for you, Lionel.
    ---Benjamin Disraeli, to Nathan Rothschild’s boys at the wedding of their sister, Lenora, to their cousin Alfonso in 1857.

    By the ceaseless praise of DEMOCRATIC RULE we shall divide the Christians into political parties, we shall destroy the unity of their nations, we shall sow discord everywhere. Reduced to impotence, they will bow before the LAW of OUR BANK, always united, and always devoted to our Cause.

    At the wished for hour, fixed in advance, we shall let loose the Revolution, which by ruining all classes of Christianity, will definitely enslave the Christian to US. Thus will be accomplished the promise of God made to His people.
    ---Rabbi Reichhorn
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/reichorn.htm

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    If you like, we shall divide the United States into two parts, one for you, James, and one for you, Lionel.
    ---Benjamin Disraeli, to Nathan Rothschild’s boys at the wedding of their sister, Lenora, to their cousin Alfonso in 1857.
    Sure, they may have expressed that desire, 68 years after 1789. And there were provocateurs on both sides of the Civil War who made a peaceful resolution to the conflict impossible. Other major slave-owning powers such as Brazil and Mexico of course did not require a war to free their slaves, as slavery was becoming economically obsolete anyway. This was all pretext for trying to accomplish exactly such a division between the states.

    The British crown was already beholden to bankers such as the Rothschilds, and had been probably at least since William and Mary. The British were also still trying in 1812 to cut the Americans off at the Mississippi River and prevent our expansion. Why, if we were both already run by the Rothschilds, would they be trying to box us in? The British in Canada were paying good money to the Native Americans for American scalps.

    Quote At the wished for hour, fixed in advance, we shall let loose the Revolution, which by ruining all classes of Christianity, will definitely enslave the Christian to US. Thus will be accomplished the promise of God made to His people.
    ---Rabbi Reichhorn
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/reichorn.htm
    "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you." - Nikita Khrushchev

    "We won't have to fight you; we'll so weaken your economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands." - Nikita Khrushchev

    Sometimes people let their ambitions run away with them.

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    Contemporary evidence clearly shows that the lives of many Western Europeans before industrialisation were, at least by today's standards, deeply unpleasant. It would be a stretch to conclude that they have "lived well."
    The term "many Western Europeans" applies to those living in larger urban areas, such as London (housing about half a million dwellers) - a place lacking any sewer system. Looking back from the point of our contemporary experience, living in 17th century London wasn't "deeply unpleasant" - it was a living nightmare. Fortunately 17th century Western Europe was still a rural society with far more people living in the countryside under much more favorable conditions.

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    "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you." - Nikita Khrushchev

    "We won't have to fight you; we'll so weaken your economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands." - Nikita Khrushchev
    This certainly is in line with the rabbinical teachings.

    "Writing in his provocative, fact-filled expose, Bloodlines of the Illuminati, researcher
    Fritz Springmeier reveals how incestuously Jewish the rulers of Russia have been,
    including their spouses. First, he notes that Stalin married the daughter of his
    number 2 man, the Jew Kaganovich. Also:

    The wife of Boris Yeltsin is the daughter of Joseph Stalin from Stalin's marriage
    with Rosa Kaganovich. Rosa's father was Illuminati...Boris Yeltsin and Rosa are
    secretly Jewish.
    Lenin was married to a Jewish wife, Krupsakaya. Molotov married a Jewess, too.
    And Stalin was married to Jewess Kaganovich. Kaganovich's powerful brother Lazar is in the Politburo, and Lazar's son, Mikhail Kaganovich, married Stalin's daughter, Svetlana. Boris Yeltsin's original (Jewish name) was Baruch Ellia. He in turn is a good friend of David Rockefeller."
    Codex Magica by Texe Marrs, pages 564-565

    I also have a document that says Nikita Khrushchev was a crypto-Jew by the name of Pearl or Pearlman, but I'm not home now and can't get it.

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    It seems to be fairly common to romanticize the past. I was reading a story of the Japanese Kamikaze Pilots that made it seem like these were noble young men that eagerly went to their death for Mother Japan. It caused me to do some research and it turns out the most of these were young college students that were scared to death and many were reluctant participants.
    The American Indian while some were noble and great warriors they are portrayed very differently than the reality of the times. Even the civil rights movement has been romanticized to a certain extent. Unfortunately, man has been romanticizing war for centuries. There is absolutely nothing romantic about people killing people.

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    I was reading a story of the Japanese Kamikaze Pilots that made it seem like these were noble young men that eagerly went to their death
    I heard the story told by an Australian on the radio (Richard Fidler, Conversations, ABC) who was sent to New Guinea or Borneo as a young soldier and in the jungle, suddenly encountered an equally young Japanese soldier. There were only two of them. They pointed the weapon (whatever firearm it was) at each other, but instead of shooting, they slowly made a circle, slowly inching back from each other. It must have seemed like a forever for either of them. The Australian made it back safely and told the story decades later, but the Japanese counterpart, if he survived the war, may not have told anybody.
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    Fortunately 17th century Western Europe was still a rural society with far more people living in the countryside under much more favorable conditions.
    Very favorable compared to living in a city, but still very rough compared to modern standards of living.

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    I also have a document that says Nikita Khrushchev was a crypto-Jew by the name of Pearl or Pearlman, but I'm not home now and can't get it.
    My point was that Khrushchev also made lots of threats to the US but it was the USSR that ended up collapsing. Lots of powerful people have made lots of ambitious threats throughout history, but have often failed.

    The infant United States was a relative backwater in terms of international politics. Lots of people had lots of crazy ambitions for the new country, but they always ran up against fiercely independent inhabitants with guns, just like they continue to today. In the early days, the feds couldn't even pass a tax on whiskey without entire communities literally rising up in arms and attacking tax collectors.

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    The USSR was a Rockefeller playground, and the Rockefellers were dubbed the first family of the Soviet Union.
    It was David Rockefeller who fired Khrushchev for not buying enough chemical Rockefeller fertilizers.

    The invention of communism, Russo-Japanese War, Russian Revolution, massacre of Nicolai II and his family and destruction of Christianity and Christians were an agenda, outlined in the Protocol. This Protocol may be dismissed as a forgery by the enemy of humanity but the teaching of this Rabbi Reichhorn cannot be dismissed easily. It's the basic rabbinical tenet whether you like it or not.

    The original plan was to stage a nuclear war between USSR and USA, but they had to change the plan because of the financial difficulties in the final days of the USSR.

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    By the ceaseless praise of DEMOCRATIC RULE we shall divide the Christians into political parties, we shall destroy the unity of their nations, we shall sow discord everywhere. Reduced to impotence, they will bow before the LAW of OUR BANK, always united, and always devoted to our Cause.

    At the wished for hour, fixed in advance, we shall let loose the Revolution, which by ruining all classes of Christianity, will definitely enslave the Christian to US. Thus will be accomplished the promise of God made to His people.
    ---Rabbi Reichhorn
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/reichorn.htm
    With respect, Bible Believers is not a reputable source. There was no "Rabbi Reichhorn". There was no "Grand Rabbi Simeon-ben-Ihuda of Bohemia". There was no such "funeral". There was no publication entitled "La Vielle France". There was no such "speech".
    It's all fake. Fabricated to incite hatred and division. Research it and see for yourself.
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    What’s romantic about this kind of past anyway?

    Yes very immature individuals romanticise the importance of wars and weapons, as SunTzu said in old book called “The Art of War” : “Of matters of importance to every state, war is the greatest”.

    Ever since and till now almost( I mean almost) every “self important” nation, regime and country on this planet overemphasised the importance of war industry.

    Ask any survivor of war or war veteran who have been in real combat situations instead just sitting on posh chair in command centre whether they “enjoyed” their experience and war and they’ll send you to hel..

    There are people who romanticise prisons, concentration camps, hospitals, abortions, artificial imseminations, sadism and abuse ,
    people who romanticise pain in general,
    spreading hurtful and immature faith that there are “righteous abusers” and “happily abused” ,
    that some want to serve and some are here to rule the world and so forth.

    Romanticising pain - even personal one- and every each of us have their own clean mirror to look into- the mirror of our eyes- is naive in teenagers, dangerous in adults and took already many individuals and civilisations off roads.

    Generally said , I’m not responding to anyone’s comment or post in particular but reflecting on the topic.


    History has been written by victors, true, its deep waters obscured and muddled many times. Blaming any one nation or person is unrealistic and impossible.
    If only people willed to understand their common nature ..

    and interconnectedness of our fates and believes..


    The level of consciousness - consciousnesses - permits historical evolution at any given moment - it is a mass of people rather than individual beliefs that decide
    and play the game.

    As someone said earlier in this thread, there are observable improvements and steps being taken in order to navigate human characters safely from past to better future.


    It’s very true that past won’t surpass presence.

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    [...]
    .... There was no publication entitled "La Vielle France". There was no such "speech".
    It's all fake. Fabricated to incite hatred and division. Research it and see for yourself.
    ... Right, "La Vielle France" doesn't exist but "La Vieille France" does:

    La Vieille-France.
    Publisher: Paris : Gendrot, 1917-1924.

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    "In its issue of 10 March, 1921, (No. 214) La Vieille France gives the version of this funeral oration which was published in La Russie Juive. It is perfectly clear that the funeral oration and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion come from one and the same mint.
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    [...]
    .... There was no publication entitled "La Vielle France". There was no such "speech".
    It's all fake. Fabricated to incite hatred and division. Research it and see for yourself.
    ... Right, "La Vielle France" doesn't exist but "La Vieille France" does:
    Ooops! I stand corrected.

    But that in itself proves nothing (other than I'm not very good at spelling) unless we can view that particular issue.

    There is no mention of a Rabbi Reichhorn in any other context that I can find; if he was apparently important enough to give an oration at a funeral, he should pop up somewhere else.
    And why is there no record of the many who was being buried?
    And why would anyone be as stupid as to say such vile things in public, as a funeral oration?

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    There is no mention of a Rabbi Reichhorn in any other context that I can find...
    [...]
    One might resort to a Russian researcher...
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    Ever since and till now almost( I mean almost) every “self important” nation, regime and country on this planet overemphasised the importance of war industry.
    What do you think about the British invasion of India? Do you think the Indians had the right to defend themselves, and might have done a better job if they weren't armed with bows and arrows against gunpowder? Just curious if you think about these kinds of things.

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    There is no mention of a Rabbi Reichhorn in any other context that I can find...
    [...]
    One might resort to a Russian researcher...

    Reichhorn is most probably no Jewish name, but Eichhorn is.
    (Nelly Weiss: „The Origin of Jewish Family Names: Morphology and History“)

    Maybe a mistake has been made in the course of a translation process of papers, books, website-content (how notorious or obscure they ever might be).

    The English Rabbi translates to the German Rabbiner. So Rabbi Eichhorn translates to Rabbiner Eichhorn = RabbineR Eichhorn = Rabbi Reichhorn? Just an idea.

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    I bet this rabbi didn't exist.
    http://antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/...tanic_Sign.jpg

    Same technique as Hillary (who happens to be Jewish) if something is inconvenient.
    Hide it, deny it, or pretend to have forgotten

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