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    Global warming/cooling and environmental pollution are apples and oranges.
    Indeed they are. Here's my point again. You can't discuss oranges without everyone instantly and often inappropriately turning the argument to apples - like you just did - ignored oranges to spew about apples. They've got you and everyone else by the balls and no one even realizes it. Its a program that runs automatically, without the victim even being aware what they are doing.
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    Bumping this It couldn't be more clear. Thanks DeDukshyn.

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
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    What if these false narratives are being used to cover up more grievous harms to humanity and to life on this planet?
    ...
    When the concern over environmental toxins, airborn and food based carcinogens, massive destruction of vital rainforests for meat farming reasons, massive oil spills, etc. was entirely replaced with a single concern "carbon", then the misdirection has had the effect it likely was intended to have in the first place.

    I'd wager the intended effect (by some of the players) was to take eyes entirely off those valid concerns above and replace it with a concern that could a) be dismissed as not provable, and b) would cause divide so that people would attack each other instead of the originators (some pf the "players" I referred to)

    So it looks like its working, as no one seems to care about drowning in poisons and pollution now that "carbon" has stolen the entire show ... as I suspect was intended.

    We need to stop falling for all the BS - not just the part that they could care less if we fall for or not, while embracing the part they wanted us to embrace. The part that takes our eyes off the real and immediate problems.
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    Speaking for myself (and I suspect for other Avalonians of a certain age as well, though they are certainly able to speak for themselves), when I was younger and fitter, I was actively participating in things like intentional community, organic gardening, living close to the land, etc.
    Now, at 70 years of age, the best I can do is network as much credible and useful information that I can about various critical issues, in hopes that Avalon is read enough and influential enough to do more than "preach to the choir", but to reach people who need access to such information.
    If I was younger and fitter, I would be living in an intentional, sustainable community, and doing what I could to help that movement flourish.
    It feels to me like organized governments are failures and Thomas Jefferson may have rightly foreseen a future, when the current paradigm collapses, where most people are living not in cities, but in more agrarian communities.
    I think cities are not a healthy environment for living things, and humans are not grounded, balanced or even sane when they have lost their connection to Nature.

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    I have been working on this problem for the last 10 years, and outside of ďletís get government to legislate our problems awayĒ, I get no response when itís time to actually do anything other than something that is beneficial for the individual. Zero collaboration. And thatís why I have concluded this is a generational problem - it will take strategic planning of two to three generations in advance to see any effective change for the better, and likely not until people are really suffering.

    So yes, I have homeschooled; taught, designed and practiced permaculture and sustainable living, researched and experienced community living. And the number of people who understand the problem and are willing to tackle it through action = zero

    So Iím having some trouble taking any of you seriously.

    I have used the quote from Einstein myself many times. I believe it, but itís just more words. What action do you propose to generate real change?

    I have many ideas of my own, but why share until there is the intelligence and wisdom to actually influence real change. Until then Iím resigned to do my best as an individual to set an example as best as I can - itís a sad solitary existence but I just donít see the level of commitment from this group or anything others Iíve been a part of.

    How many here participate because of its entertainment value - we like talking about ufoís and all things paranormal, etc., but is that it?

    Maybe in 20-50 years (generations) minimum, in my way of thinking, there will be the ability to start reversing the damage. But I think even that is being optimistic. We are much more likely being in a lockdown AI artificial construct by then.

    There was a fun sounding Avalon meetup in Nevada. But aside from entertainment value, what was accomplished? Any strategic planning and/or rituals setting anything remotely approaching the annual Bilderberg meetings?

    Who will rise to the challenge to do more than talk?
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    Global warming/cooling and environmental pollution are apples and oranges.
    Indeed they are. Here's my point again. You can't discuss oranges without everyone instantly and often inappropriately turning the argument to apples - like you just did - ignored oranges to spew about apples. They've got you and everyone else by the balls and no one even realizes it. Its a program that runs automatically, without the victim even being aware what they are doing.
    It is an assumption that human activities --- be it industrialization or cows belching --- cause global warming.

    Climate always changes while chemtrails and HAARP will probably precipitate the arrival of Ice Age glacial.

    Greenland was warm and green about 1,000 years ago and Vikings settled there and lived there for generations, doing agriculture (with cows), until the earth climate cooled and the Viking descendants were forced back to Norway.

    The Industrial Revolution may have turned major cities in England black, but it's a child play compared with the radioactive pollution caused by the nuclear industry, under the mantra of "clean energy" "zero CO2 emission" "carbon footprint" blah blah

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    Default Re: A plea for the planet by a great geneticist

    The apples / oranges adaptation is a good one. One the one hand, do we cause large earthquakes,volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, or have hand in the permafrost melting from below to the surface. Nope.

    On the other hand do we fail as good stewards of taking care of the earth? Pollution in the ocean, spraying of chemicals in the sky and earth, the burning of the amazon rain forest, the nuclear pollution and disasters , the use of chemical, atomic, or conventional weapons , and the steadfast movement of staying dependent on fossil fuels. We are getting a Grade A for that. A for the Axxhole award.

    I am encouraged at the new efforts being put forward from the younger generation and the amount of people that want to put forward an initiative to clean up this mess and start preserving what a beautiful place this is. Technology and young innovative thinking may be the savior combined with the dying off of the old narrow minded ego driven for greed at any costs thinking individuals in power who thrive on that position as that mentality has become an obsolete way of thinking and is unsustainable .

    If there was a time for the United Nations to do something , my suggestion is that they put together an approach of enforcement thru out the global community.

    1) Compile a list of the top 10 countries polluting the oceans and set up a global initiative for managed landfill sites.
    2) Put a complete halt to the burning of the amazon rain forest now and create programs for alternative means of income in these areas even if we have to subsidize this for a while.
    3)Embrace those with ideas of cleaning the oceans and act with reinforcements.
    4)Put together a plan to contain the Fukoshima reactor as was done with Chernobyl by some 19 countries in the newest containment vessel.
    5) Start a long term plan of shutting down all nuclear reactors, it takes 40 years of constant cooling even if a reactor is shut down FYI. And shift to alternative sources or less hazardous.
    6)Broadcast every 3 months the progress being made in all areas of this initiative and set up a fund where donations can be accepted on a worldwide scale. You may be surprised.

    So many of us on this earth do not want to leave behind a mess for future generations, we just need to have a point of entry to focus all of our energy and resources to make this happen.

    And for something to really contemplate here is a 3 minute narrative by Charlton Heston that really gives food for thought- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO-LvxMscYg
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    Default Re: A plea for the planet by a great geneticist

    A timely (for this thead) release of a Canadian film

    24 Davids, the film maker took 24 men named David throughout the world to describe their environments, their earth and social challenges they have to live through, the approaches of science and human creativity that could help, to help the whole planet.

    Sight for the planet, as in this movie, should probably encompass minutiae details up to overall global understanding of what is going on and the potential solutions.


    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    I will not be posting this week and for quite a while, please, continue the thread, it is getting very good.

    And thanks for all those who want to change personally (in their life and their inner being as well) and collectively to better our planet and make sure we survive.

    Basic survival science, in one's own space, transforming Africa


    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    Very brief comments on the privatization of our common ressources - activism and all


    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    The science of it


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    The psychology - emotional components of it all


    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    The inventive future for earth, from a scrapyard in Africa


    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    thanks to all participants in this thread, you are exactly now doing what the thread was first intended for, and thereby helping the world.

    We never know from where and how our ideas will be picked up. And applied.

    Anyone who has already transformed for the best their living milieu, thank you.

    Any of your ideas maybe developed here, it would be great. The thread could also be a pot pourri of ideas or positive opinions, while observing sometimes negative realities, it would be great as well.

    PS: I heard of this movie yesterday night, went to check, and it is real good fit for here. I did not know of this gem movie, which got out in February 19. Having known of its existence, I would have started the thread with this. Thanks to my personal friend in Montreal who brought it to my attention.
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    Default Re: A plea for the planet by a great geneticist

    Three of your opinions really grabbed my attention and what I think is pertinent to saving our beautiful planet and humanity.
    Joe's post - We humans need to CHANGE our ways.
    Paul's post - What if these false narratives are being used to cover up more grievous harms.
    Onawah - Return to nature.
    We are the creators of our reality, what story are you creating?

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    [QUOTE=onawah;1286129]Bumping this It couldn't be more clear. Thanks DeDukshyn.

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
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    I know this is off topic, and I do apologize for that... but I see a lot of people writing that they are "Bumping this".. What does that mean exactly? I am not familiar with what a BUMP is?

    And Flash, I will miss you terribly.. I DO hope that you return quickly and contribute in some way, your heartfelt posts do not get lost upon me. This thread, whether disputed for ANY reason, does touch on very serious issues, and if we can get past pointing fingers at motivations, recognize many DO have motivations that aren't good, and actually come together to not only find solutions, but implement them? Then the THREAD was PRICELESS..

    Hat's off to you for GOING THERE...
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    Quote Posted by Sandy123 (here)
    Three of your opinions really grabbed my attention and what I think is pertinent to saving our beautiful planet and humanity.
    Joe's post - We humans need to CHANGE our ways.
    Paul's post - What if these false narratives are being used to cover up more grievous harms.
    Onawah - Return to nature.

    Yes, you get it in a very simple and profound way!

    Iíve been thinking for several days how to summarize such a monumental problem, and I think youíve captured most of it in a few short sentences. Let me rewrite and reorder these bullet points for clarity and emphasis, hopefully without changing their original meaning or your beautiful simplicity.

    1) We must both seek (desire) truth and have the ability (discernment) to find it. Paulís post.

    2) We must reconnect our relationship with nature. Onawahís post.

    3) We must have the will to change. Joeís post.

    Volumes could be written about each point and it still wouldnít be enough. We are separated from truth at a young age and not given the tools to find truth for ourselves.

    As a parent, I think I stood alone in thinking that it was a bad idea to lie to children about things like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. But until our culture values truth as a core value, and find lying abhorrent, then things like being able to create a healthy environment will not change.

    The key to understanding why truth is important is health. Health is the measure of our ability to align with truth. As long as false narratives dominate our culture, we will both be sick individually, and also have a sick environment. Truth matters!

    Connecting with nature is the most immediate cure to falsehood and sickness. There are no contradictions in nature. Having a healthy relationship with nature slows us to listen to, take cues from nature and heal our separation from truth.

    We must have the will to change. I donít know what to do about this one. I have had close friends tell me, regarding my outlook on conspiracies, ďif thatís the way the world is then I donít want to know about it.Ē or ďIím not comfortable with that worldview, I prefer (Catholicism) because thatís what Iím most familiar with.Ē

    So you see, most people donít want to fix the causal factors. They have a fixed worldview connected to lies and they donít understand how profoundly sick that makes them and their environment. They prefer chasing and protesting fishing boats, or taxing corporations, rather than changing themselves. This is the part that makes me sad. Because I donít see this part changing. Maybe the pendulum will swing back the other way for a little while, but what if this, the current paradigm is the best it ever gets?

    I hope thatís not the case, but I really donít know, and I struggle with wondering if I should even try to influence others. Just do my own thing and check out for good when the time comes.

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    David Suzuki is a fake scientist.

    http://www.quebecoislibre.org/001014-11.htm

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    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    David Suzuki is a fake scientist.

    http://www.quebecoislibre.org/001014-11.htm
    I see youíre new here, I donít know if youíve seen this other Avalon thread? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Climate+change

    Thereís plenty of solid evidence regarding the politics and pseudoscience surrounding climate change on that other thread. For anyone on the fence, itís a must read.

    I feel like this thread is addressing a more subtle question about environmental responsibility. Should we have it? Does it have any effect on the quality of our life?
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    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    David Suzuki is a fake scientist.

    http://www.quebecoislibre.org/001014-11.htm
    I do not mind to have Suzuki contested, but please, do not try to destroy this thread, trolling it or blocking any possible discussion, as it has been at the start by some members. The thread has taken a very nice turn, turn that maybe worthwhile for all of us.

    Now, as surprising as it is, if Chancy would have given time to the thread to unfold a bit and be able to discuss it, which he did not, trying to kill the thread and its intent instead, I would have said the following:

    1. Ideas and science can and should be discussed, nobody has all the answers.
    2 Suzuki has good points, maybe we should avoid throwing the baby with the bath water. Lets keep the good points, see what is contested or what could be studied further, right.
    3. I am personally in agreement with many part of the article you linked (Note to myself: the article dates from 2000. Much science has been done since 20 past years. This article may not be up to date either, while reproaching Suzuki not to be up to date). I would not go as far as saying he is a fake scientist, although he is certainly a better communication person.
    4. David McRea, the article author, is a software consultant, not a science scientist (although some are quite intelligent and understand hard science). Do not forget this. To truly judge someone, often we should have the same level of expertise or work in the same fields. So, if we are not, at least lets judge the intent.

    and mostly

    5. Lets continue giving our ideas, solutions, always based on as much research as we can, albeit sometimes it is impossible.

    6. Lets always look and remind us of the intent of this thread. This is not a thread to destroy others, to stubbornly opiniate (different from having an opinion).

    This is an eventual brain storming thread for naming problems and finding potential solutions.

    UP to now, it is great what i have read here and I really thanks everyone.
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    Quote Posted by Joe (here)
    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    David Suzuki is a fake scientist.

    http://www.quebecoislibre.org/001014-11.htm
    I see youíre new here, I donít know if youíve seen this other Avalon thread? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Climate+change

    Thereís plenty of solid evidence regarding the politics and pseudoscience surrounding climate change on that other thread. For anyone on the fence, itís a must read.

    I feel like this thread is addressing a more subtle question about environmental responsibility. Should we have it? Does it have any effect on the quality of our life?
    Exactly, spot on.
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    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    David Suzuki is a fake scientist.

    http://www.quebecoislibre.org/001014-11.htm
    No he's not a "fake" scientist - he has B of A in biology and doctorate in zoology -- please take whatever you think you have to one of the climate change threads, or start your own thread. Or stop visiting this one if you have nothing to offer on the sad state of the planet and the elite's program to make fools constantly dismiss that damage and constantly deflecting the conversation to "carbon" or "fake scientis" or whatever deflecting that is being done -- you see when you do that, you are part of the problem- this is exactly what the people who are actually destroying our planet want you to do ... do you work for them knowingly? I tried to make this clear to you already that you are one of the fooled, by continuing to do this even after I directly pointed.

    Don't make me do it a third time please.

    Please people, I don't think that arguments like "we don't know how much damage is caused by humans so I guess that means we should do nothing for our planet", and "I don't like Suzuki, so I guess there's nothing wrong with our planet" are useful.

    How is the destruction of our planet, whether you agree in the carbon thing or not, helped by continuously and consistently shifting the discussion to these things?

    Is Suzuki Infallible? No of course not, just like you ...

    Cancers are still on the rise, 1000's of hectares of forest are cleared every day, for destructive mass farming and oil production, Tons and tons of poisons are constantly sprayed over our foods and is destroying the soil; the oceans are full of plastic and acidity is rising --- "but carbon is fake and I don't like Suzuki!" - Please stop, that is not being remotely helpful in any way.
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    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    David Suzuki is a fake scientist.

    http://www.quebecoislibre.org/001014-11.htm
    Out of fun

    For this article here linked, I also found from the same author, in the same magazine, an article on domestic violence. My daughter is having internship in the field, I had to have police intervene in my life, I know other people (men and women) who had to call police, and what I was reading was so far fetched that it became hilarious.

    The author is from the same city as mine, next neighborhood from mine, so pretty much same environment. He is English speaking, I am French. Does not matter much here.

    When I read this
    Quote If you want to cool down an angry situation which has gotten out of hand (this appears to have been Mme Roy's objective), go to anyone but the police. The police will escalate the matter. In many jurisdictions, they will arrive in SWAT teams, break down your door and ransack your home. Once inside, they will hunt down any evidence they can find which might indicate that your husband has, or once had, violent tendencies. This will justify treating him as a common criminal. They will forcibly remove him from the house in handcuffs, often with a machine gun in his face. He will be blamed for whatever trauma this may cause to you and your children.
    I could not do anything else than laugh loud, alone in my house. Hilarious. I have never ever seen or heard police acting like that in Montreal for domestic violence. SWAT team, ransack home, remove him with machine gun, come on. rolf For regular every day happening in a large city domestic violence call???

    The guy must have been threatening his wife with a gun and taken hostages for this to happen.

    So my conclusion: take everything this author writes with a grain of salt. And this means revise every thing he said about Suzuki before concluding anything.

    Digevillage, would you by any chance have better articles and more trustworthy authors? Is that truly all you have?? furthermore dating from year 2000?

    And anyhow, lets not distract from the real intent of the thread, as mentioned previously.
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    Default Re: A plea for the planet by a great geneticist

    How could I destroy a thread, I wonder, if I call a spade a spade, fake science fake science.

    I suppose it is an effective way of shutting down, or shouting down, a valid argument to call someone a troll in a forum.

    Environmental pollution is one thing; climate change is another.
    Climate has changed over millions of years, and we are sitting in the middle of an Ice Age.

    Within this current Ice Age, there is a regular alternation between glacials (each one lasting about 130,000 years approx.) and interglacials (each one lasting about 13,000 years) and we are at the very end of a warm interglacial called the Holocene.

    When the Holocene started, this planet suddenly became very warm, melting the ice in North America and on the Tibetan Plateau, etc, causing big floods everywhere and raising the sea level, which sank Atlantis.

    Within the Holocene, there are regular rises in temperature in about 1,000 years or so, although the overall trend is cooling toward a new glacial. Going back three thousand years, there was a warm period and population increased in Central Asia and Siberia but when this warm period ended, many of these people were forced to move south; thus the invasion of the Indian subcontinent by Aryans and invasion of China by nomadic tribes from the north.

    About 2,000 years ago, the planet warmed up again and the Phoeniecians sailed up and down the coasts of the Atlantic, while the Celts reached North America, because the seas were relatively calm. The Romans colonized Britain, growing grapes for wine there. In the Far East, there was much traffic between the Japanese islands and the mainland as well. When this warm period ended, there were shortages of food, there was much upheaval and Germanic tribes invaded the Roman Empire, Attila the Hun from Central Asia invaded Europe.

    About a thousand years ago, the planet warmed up again, and the Vikings settled in Iceland (which had been previously settled by Celts) and Greenland which was literally green, where the Vikings conducted agriculture for hundreds of years. After generations, these Scandinavians were forced to move back to Norway, as the climate cooled.

    Toward the end of the 20th century, the planet warmed up again, but only slightly. Nothing like 2,000 years or even 1,000 years ago. This was the very last of the warming and it ended in 1996 and the planet has steadily been cooling, and the very cold Ice Age glacial is just around the corner.

    The elite know it, and yet they want to avoid mass panic, and install the New World Order quietly, so they started a disinfo campaign of "global warming" by using their paid agents. The elite are hard at work to reduce the world population to the level of 500 million so that the planet will be "sustainable" in a glacial period.

    In an Ice Age glacial, new lands will appear which are now called continental shelves, isolating the Mediterranean Sea, and Sea of Japan, while connecting Australia with Tasmania and New Guinea. So it's not all doom and gloom.

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    Default Re: A plea for the planet by a great geneticist

    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    How could I destroy a thread, I wonder, if I call a spade a spade, fake science fake science.

    I suppose it is an effective way of shutting down, or shouting down, a valid argument to call someone a troll in a forum.

    Environmental pollution is one thing; climate change is another...
    There are a couple of issues here with your post, and I think youíre being unfair to others on the forum, and unnecessarily antagonistic. In fact if you read through the thread again, I think everyone has basically agreed with your statement here: ďEnvironmental pollution is one thing; climate change is another.Ē

    I brought up the potential problem of conflation between the man, Suzuki, and the message in my first post. Flash and others in general agreed that they wanted the thread to be about environmental concerns, not about Suzuki, or his position on climate change.

    I agree with you that Suzuki and his position on climate change are indefensible, but thereís already an excellent thread dismantling climate change elsewhere on the forum. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Climate+change

    The final thing is that you are being illogical. You claim that your argument is valid, but your argument must be logically consistent to be valid. And you are using some logical fallacies in your reasoning.

    The first is the straw man fallacy, I already pointed that out. You are trying to make the arguments about climate change when everyone else here is talking about environmental pollution. The second is that the article you posted is using an ad hominem attack on Suzukiís record on climate change to attack him generally.

    I have noticed that on some of your other posts you come in swinging with a hammer, but when pressed for further explanation, you have a lot of informed and interesting ideas to share. I think you will find a lot of allies here on the forum if you give us a chance. And if youíre willing to use a little subtlety, most people here are open minded and willing to evolve as we learn more about various topics.



    p.s. (edit)- it looks like I got my definitions of ďvalidĒ and ďsoundĒ mixed up. An argument is sound if it is both true and valid. A valid argument must be logically consistent, but can be either true or false. Iím going to edit my post for this correction to avoid confusion.
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    Default Re: A plea for the planet by a great geneticist

    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    How could I destroy a thread, I wonder, if I call a spade a spade, fake science fake science.

    I suppose it is an effective way of shutting down, or shouting down, a valid argument to call someone a troll in a forum.

    Environmental pollution is one thing; climate change is another.
    Climate has changed over millions of years, and we are sitting in the middle of an Ice Age.

    Within this current Ice Age, there is a regular alternation between glacials (each one lasting about 130,000 years approx.) and interglacials (each one lasting about 13,000 years) and we are at the very end of a warm interglacial called the Holocene.

    When the Holocene started, this planet suddenly became very warm, melting the ice in North America and on the Tibetan Plateau, etc, causing big floods everywhere and raising the sea level, which sank Atlantis.

    Within the Holocene, there are regular rises in temperature in about 1,000 years or so, although the overall trend is cooling toward a new glacial. Going back three thousand years, there was a warm period and population increased in Central Asia and Siberia but when this warm period ended, many of these people were forced to move south; thus the invasion of the Indian subcontinent by Aryans and invasion of China by nomadic tribes from the north.

    About 2,000 years ago, the planet warmed up again and the Phoeniecians sailed up and down the coasts of the Atlantic, while the Celts reached North America, because the seas were relatively calm. The Romans colonized Britain, growing grapes for wine there. In the Far East, there was much traffic between the Japanese islands and the mainland as well. When this warm period ended, there were shortages of food, there was much upheaval and Germanic tribes invaded the Roman Empire, Attila the Hun from Central Asia invaded Europe.

    About a thousand years ago, the planet warmed up again, and the Vikings settled in Iceland (which had been previously settled by Celts) and Greenland which was literally green, where the Vikings conducted agriculture for hundreds of years. After generations, these Scandinavians were forced to move back to Norway, as the climate cooled.

    Toward the end of the 20th century, the planet warmed up again, but only slightly. Nothing like 2,000 years or even 1,000 years ago. This was the very last of the warming and it ended in 1996 and the planet has steadily been cooling, and the very cold Ice Age glacial is just around the corner.

    The elite know it, and yet they want to avoid mass panic, and install the New World Order quietly, so they started a disinfo campaign of "global warming" by using their paid agents. The elite are hard at work to reduce the world population to the level of 500 million so that the planet will be "sustainable" in a glacial period.

    In an Ice Age glacial, new lands will appear which are now called continental shelves, isolating the Mediterranean Sea, and Sea of Japan, while connecting Australia with Tasmania and New Guinea. So it's not all doom and gloom.
    Holy deflection, Batman!! ... yes we all know the earth has changed over millions of years and weather patterns sometimes have longer term cycles ...
    Last edited by DeDukshyn; 16th April 2019 at 22:50.
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