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    The very definition of Black Holes can not allow it to be created in physical universe. Educated fools or delusional scientists believe in Black Holes. Infinite density or zero volume is nonsense. Suppose Black Hole does exist, scientists would have created mini Black Holes in the labs around world. They can not create the condition of infinite density using physical matter that supposedly produce infinite gravity.

    When a theory ignores fundamental laws of physics to construct a imaginary state, it becomes pseudoscience. Gravitational collapse of a star violates law of energy conservation and thermodynamics. According to Big Bang theory, our universe is a close system with initial amount of energy is fixed. To create an infinite density, it requires infinite amount of energy.

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    The very definition of Black Holes can not allow it to be created in physical universe. Educated fools or delusional scientists believe in Black Holes. Infinite density or zero volume is nonsense. Suppose Black Hole does exist, scientists would have created mini Black Holes in the labs around world. They can not create the condition of infinite density using physical matter that supposedly produce infinite gravity.

    When a theory ignores fundamental laws of physics to construct a imaginary state, it becomes pseudoscience. Gravitational collapse of a star violates law of energy conservation and thermodynamics. According to Big Bang theory, our universe is a close system with initial amount of energy is fixed. To create an infinite density, it requires infinite amount of energy.



    How about this? Now can they exist? Often, it is the understanding that is not correct, and when (if) that is determined, new possibilities of understanding how something works or what it is, emerge.

    Quote A quantum gravity theory suggests that the cores of black holes may be a region of highly curved spacetime, rather than a singularity point with zero volume and infinite density.
    https://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for...ett.110.211301
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    How about this? Now can they exist?

    Quote A quantum gravity theory suggests that the cores of black holes may be a region of highly curved spacetime, rather than a singularity point with zero volume and infinite density.
    https://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for...ett.110.211301
    Forget all the theory.
    You can argue either side of the argument until you are blue in the face.

    We now have a photo that proves there are black holes!

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    How about this? Now can they exist?

    Quote A quantum gravity theory suggests that the cores of black holes may be a region of highly curved spacetime, rather than a singularity point with zero volume and infinite density.
    https://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for...ett.110.211301
    Forget all the theory.
    You can argue either side of the argument until you are blue in the face.

    We now have a photo that proves there are black holes!
    What we have is an "Image" created by all the most powerful telescopes on Earth pointed at something at the center of our galaxy. That's what they did, and that's the image that resulted.

    The label for this phenomenon is "black hole". If we called it something different, would it be more acceptable? Consider that scientists are even calling this thing a "black hole" only because it shares maybe a very few of perhaps a plethora of qualities that other observed objects in the galaxy have, that we have also called "black holes" that scientists claim are collapsed giant stars so this "label" has transferred to apply to that object as well.

    Is this unreasonable or are we only supposed to think and assume in others and speculate in "absolutes"? I guess to do so, enables the ability to call almost everyone out in smugness for not knowing or understanding everything 100%, if that's your thing.

    It's far more likely that scientists understanding of what they claim to understand is grossly exaggerated, than a giant conspiracy amongst all the scientists to "trick" you into believing "black holes" (whatever that phenomenon is) exist when they don't. What's the motivation? Whats the benefit of that lie? Hide a flat earth maybe?
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    What we have is an "Image" created by all the most powerful telescopes on Earth pointed at something at the center of our galaxy. That's what they did, and that's the image that resulted.

    The label for this phenomenon is "black hole". If we called it something different, would it be more acceptable? Consider that scientists are even calling this thing a "black hole" only because it shares maybe a very few of perhaps a plethora of qualities that other observed objects in the galaxy have, that we have also called "black holes" that scientists claim are collapsed giant stars so this "label" has transferred to apply to that object as well.

    Is this unreasonable or are we only supposed to think and assume in others and speculate in "absolutes"? I guess to do so, enables the ability to call almost everyone out in smugness for not knowing or understanding everything 100%, if that's your thing.

    It's far more likely that scientists understanding of what they claim to understand is grossly exaggerated, than a giant conspiracy amongst all the scientists to "trick" you into believing "black holes" (whatever that phenomenon is) exist when they don't. What's the motivation? Whats the benefit of that lie? Hide a flat earth maybe?

    I hear ya loud and clear and get your point. I also have a science background.
    But why didn't they release the photo of the black hole two years ago?
    The photo they had then looks exactly like the photo they released yesterday.

    I could understand it if they were trying to refine the image, get a clearer sharper image.
    But it's the same colors, same fuzziness...

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    What we have is an "Image" created by all the most powerful telescopes on Earth pointed at something at the center of our galaxy. That's what they did, and that's the image that resulted.

    The label for this phenomenon is "black hole". If we called it something different, would it be more acceptable? Consider that scientists are even calling this thing a "black hole" only because it shares maybe a very few of perhaps a plethora of qualities that other observed objects in the galaxy have, that we have also called "black holes" that scientists claim are collapsed giant stars so this "label" has transferred to apply to that object as well.

    Is this unreasonable or are we only supposed to think and assume in others and speculate in "absolutes"? I guess to do so, enables the ability to call almost everyone out in smugness for not knowing or understanding everything 100%, if that's your thing.

    It's far more likely that scientists understanding of what they claim to understand is grossly exaggerated, than a giant conspiracy amongst all the scientists to "trick" you into believing "black holes" (whatever that phenomenon is) exist when they don't. What's the motivation? Whats the benefit of that lie? Hide a flat earth maybe?

    I hear ya loud and clear and get your point. I also have a science background.
    But why didn't they release the photo of the black hole two years ago?
    The photo they had then looks exactly like the photo they released yesterday.

    I could understand it if they were trying to refine the image, get a clearer sharper image.
    But it's the same colors, same fuzziness...

    They were trying to refine the image. They collected data over several years. The did release some early images, but wanted to wait more time and collect more data to try to refine the image. But its probably like rendering a 3D image with a biased path tracing renderer - 90% of the image become clear in the first few minutes of rendering - while several hours of further rendering only fills in that final 10%, but if you want that 10%, you have no choice but to wait for those hours while the simulation slowly collects the fringe "energy" (simulated photons in a 3D renderer's case) and adds the details to the image.

    It doesn't look a whole lot more interesting than the originals, but that could easily be just because gathering energy for an image like this will most certainly follow a similar pattern to what I explained in 3D rendering, or the image just didn't refine as much as they thought it would.

    Its not a stretch to consider this.

    Here's an article from 2018 with some explanations as to why they wanted to capture more data over time and the original images they gathered: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-ban...e-192ea94f97b7

    EDIT: Sorry, on further reading the "original" images that were distributed were mostly simulated using a small amount of of prelim data - the black and white images on the page I linked to above are these "simulated" images (meaning the took some prelim data, ran it through a simulator that would re-iterate the existing data within allowable perturbations and over time the rest of the image was built.

    The new image looks very close to the original simulated ones, but supposedly, they now have had enough time to capture enough data and th eimage they presented is not a simulated one, but one based on actual collected data.

    That should clear things up for you.

    Six images were simulated as to what the image might look like after all the data had been gathered ....
    Quote Some of the possible profile signals of the black hole’s event horizon as simulations of the Event Horizon Telescope indicate.
    Here's the six simulated images that were meant to predict what it might look like:
    [IMG]https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*Z3sNYTMJfMB4I-pz.jpg[/IMG]

    Well it looks like the image embedder is broken ... the image is at the link I posted above anyway near the bottom of the article.
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    Crothers, S.J., Black Hole Escape Velocity, Sky Scholar, 2018
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZbDLd42Uws

    Robitaille, P.-M., Gravitational Thermodynamics - Is it Science?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ2F2Kw5-nQ
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    The cosmologists would have to go through all the data returned by the UFO displays, which were dedicated to the subject of black holes, to learn that black holes don't explode like supernovae, because they leak dark energy. The evidence that they do is not available, because the constituents of dark energy are unknown to us.

    Btw, there are super-giant UFO's out there that conceal their presence by the way of misidentification. Here is an example.


    Scientists Have Captured the First Ever Image of a Black Hole

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