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    Today I learned that as Ottawa continues to advance an open borders policy in Canada, a growing number of Albertans are looking to dissolve their borders with Canada and unite them... with those of the United States. Thus the "Alberta 51" movement.

    CBC Audio interview here -- Must listen!

    If you Albertans are anything like Montanans, then you'd most certainly be welcome aboard. You're already more American than Los Angeles, anyway. And as a constitutionally-protected state, you'll have more freedom to self-government, and you can have all the guns and free speech you want! Any and all gender pronouns welcome, at your sole discretion!

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    According to a February 2019 poll from Angus Reid, approximately 50% of Albertans would support secession from Canada. This number is up 30% from a generation ago and the conditions which have created these views are projected to only worsen.

    In Alberta, the Canadian Province located just north of Montana, there is a strong feeling that the national government “back east” in Ottawa is using them much like the British Crown used distant colonies two centuries ago. Rich in farmland and natural resources, the Alberta economy has become increasingly reliant upon its natural reserves and oil and gas production, putting it at odds with a committed “green nation” such as Canada.

    Bordered to its left is the Province of British Columbia, Canada’s bastion of Pacific liberalism. Residents of Alberta say that the government of British Columbia refuses to cooperate with Alberta’s natural resources industry and is blocking all pipeline production; a move they say is hindering the Alberta economy and driving the costs of getting oil to the market by about $6 per barrel.

    Industry experts also say back in the east, where the overwhelming majority of Canadians live, the federation government’s stringent environmental regulations also prohibits the province from reaching its full potential.

    A much larger issue, however, is the subject of demographics and numbers.

    The dirty secret that few people are talking about is that Canadians simply aren’t having children like they used to and the nation is aging at an alarming rate.

    According to Peter Zeihan, who authored the book, Accidental Superpower, Canada has a massive population in their late-50s and early 60s. These individuals are nearing retirement and the workforce is shifting from having a lot of tax payers to a lot of tax takers.

    In Alberta, however, this story is quite different. The province has a much younger population and while Canada’s demographic numbers as a whole more closely resemble Japan or Germany, Alberta’s age is more reminiscent to the United States.

    Due to this factor alone, Zeihan argues that Alberta is subsidizing the national government at about $27 billion annually and that in the next few years this could climb to $80 billion; according to the author’s figures, by 2020 the number will exceed $20,000 per person, $40,000 per tax payer.

    “The core issue is pretty simple. While the Québécois – and to a slightly lesser degree the rest of Canada – now need Alberta to maintain their standard of living, the Albertans now need not to be a part of Canada in order to maintain theirs,” he writes.

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    According to Zeihan, the United States would welcome the Province of Alberta with open arms and upon its admission into the Union, Alberta would become the per capita richest state in the country [because of the relatively small population compared to the large oil revenues].

    The influx of taxable capital and GDP would boost the United States’ already unquestioned place of being the world’s greatest economy.

    In exchange, access to America’s 327 million person strong market would provide investors and business owners in Alberta with a market that is nearly ten times the size of Canada’s 37 million residents.

    Heavily rural, the protections guaranteed by the Bill of Rights greatly appeals to many in Alberta who pride themselves on having an independent spirit.
    http://appalachianmagazine.com/2019/...ht-not-expect/

    For any Albertans reading this, consider this carefully: by 2036, as much as 40% of working-age people in Canada are going to immigrants, largely Muslims from the Middle East and Chinese, and these concentrated in eastern cities with an increasing voice in your national politics. With native Canadian births decreasing and immigration constantly increasing, your country is going to be unrecognizable by the time you're old, split somewhere between the political traditions of China (or Taiwan?) and an Islamic theocracy. Whatever pride you have in being Canadian, Ottawa is going to be dismantling everything that the old Canada ever stood for, short of some dramatic reversal of policies, which doesn't seem to be on the immediate horizon. Maybe that will change in the future, but even then, many of the social changes that have already taken place are going to be with you for many generations at a minimum.

    You already have more in common with Montana and Idaho than you do with Toronto. And if you take Montana or Idaho as examples, you can see how minimalist government can be in the United States, and how willing Americans are to accommodate your industriousness without overly burdensome taxes and regulations. Most Americans forget that Montana and Idaho even exist, except for oil exports, they are hassled so little by the feds. Things would be very peaceful.

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    Vive l'Alberta libre!

    Will population, labor, and economy be the only reasons for independence/merger?
    What about culture and civilization?

    I was chatting with a cab driver in Russia about the Muslims in the country. He was saying the Tatars are no problem as they are an integral part of Russia after hundreds of years coexistence from the very beginning of the Russian Empire, while Central Asians (Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc.) are a different breed of Muslims who could pose potential problems.

    In this regard Germany is committing a suicide under a very questionable leadership by Merkel

    All bad things seem to come from Ottawa and Washington DC as well.

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    Quote Posted by Didgevillage (here)
    Will population, labor, and economy be the only reasons for independence/merger?
    What about culture and civilization?
    Culture and civilization were what I was referring to with the mass migration going on up there, but the economic aspect alone is monstrous.

    If you listen to the CBC interview, the upcoming generation of Albertans are going to be facing $40,000 in taxes each per year just to support the aging Canadians throughout the rest of the country, who aren't having enough children to keep everyone else paying sufficient taxes into the system. (Cough cough socialism cough cough....)

    That is more than many people make in a year total, so obviously that is not a sustainable situation, and something is going to break somewhere along the line. Since Alberta has relatively little say within the British Commonwealth's Canadian government, the intense economic pressure caused by government debt alone may end up making them reconsider their rejection of our 1776 offer. They'll have little other recourse since they have relatively little voice in the Canadian legislature, and that voice will be increasing drowned out by immigrants with foreign cultures and politics. We asked Canada to join us in rebelling against the British Empire back then, they just didn't take us up on the offer. Probably too busy chopping wood to stay warm or something.

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    50% want to stay, did you mention that?

    I would not even step foot in the USA anymore. But you are right there are many who would like to break away from Canada. That's only because every time there is a Liberal government in power the west cries bloody murder and the crazies come out in full force.

    As far as the muslimification of Canada, yup bad policy created by the many minority workers hired by the government. They are now changing the fundamental nature of our country - they want their relatives to come over from their old countries and they have created the rhetoric of an aging population as the excuse. Instead of creating an incentive for normal Canadians to have more children, they went the route of importing more of their countrymen. Arguably a far more expensive choice but we do get diversification as a by-product so I guess it all works out...
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    50% want to stay, did you mention that?
    I mean, when 50% of anybody wants something, it's kind of obvious that the implication is that 50% don't want something.

    Did you read this part?: "According to a February 2019 poll from Angus Reid, approximately 50% of Albertans would support secession from Canada. This number is up 30% from a generation ago and the conditions which have created these views are projected to only worsen."

    The next obvious question one might ask is, what happens in a democratic society when a clear majority of the public want something and begin political campaigns for it?

    Quote I would not even step foot in the USA anymore. But you are right there are many who would like to break away from Canada. That's only because every time there is a Liberal government in power the west cries bloody murder and the crazies come out in full force.
    So don't worry about it, because this only applies to Albertans. There are many parts of Canada I wouldn't to join the US, any more than I would want Puerto Rico to be granted statehood and representation in Congress.

    Quote As far as the muslimification of Canada, yup bad policy created by the many minority workers hired by the government. They are now changing the fundamental nature of our country - they want their relatives to come over from their old countries and they have created the rhetoric of an aging population as the excuse. Instead of creating an incentive for normal Canadians to have more children, they went the route of importing more of their countrymen. Arguably a far more expensive choice but we do get diversification as a by-product so I guess it all works out...
    So once your country looks like Iraq or Iran, just remind yourself that you never want to step foot in the US ever again. Considering which ideologies were responsible for implementing these policies in the first place, and how most Americans feel about it, the sentiment you have is probably mutual.

    If the current trajectory continues, being squeezed by a collapsing socialized medical system, and increasingly living in an Islamic theocracy, will become a much more bizarre and surreal scenario for many Canadians than simply joining the US and protecting themselves and their provincial (or then state) sovereignty from all of that nonsense.

    It's also not as dramatic as another possible future scenario, of an Islamic theocracy in Canada in 2040 or beyond eventually forcing US intervention across the northern border.

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    Totally agree with you there. My insult to America is moot, I know. I merely find it odd that we cannot get across the border without intense scrutiny while the southern border is wide open for any and all. It would be easier for me to fly to Mexico and drive across the border from there. And since cannabis has been legalized I do not feel safe crossing the border.

    There are a core of Albertans who always have wanted to join the states, mostly centered in the Calgary area and south. Edmonton was usually moderate. And the mountainous regions and north usually prefer forming their own country. Lived in all three areas and that is how I see it from experience. Unless the sentiment is changing in the last two decades...oops...three...yikes I'm getting old.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    I merely find it odd that we cannot get across the border without intense scrutiny while the southern border is wide open for any and all.
    Figure that one out and you'll also figure out why Canada is importing so many Muslims from the Middle East.

    Or this poster on the right, from the German Green Party:



    "TOD DEM WEIßEN, DEUTSCHEN MANN"

    Plug that into Google translate and see what you get. That's a real German political poster in the year 2019.

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    I thought the muslims were all coming from the middle east to escape the destruction the american invasions has had on their countries? Afghanistan (Americans fighting what they created), Iraq War (based on lies), Libya (wanted off the US currency stranglehold), Syria (another access to Russia that US wants to control like Afghanistan).

    If some invading force basically destroyed and took over my country, I'd want to migrate too to somewhere friendly like Canada too.

    So are you asking us to be a part of that? Nice one.

    But maybe the "gouge you till death" private healthcare, and amazing education system will be the clincher, we are after-all, talking about Albertans. All you'd need to do is get that Keystone XL pipeline built and they will bend over for you all day long.

    Disclaimer: I do live in Alberta
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    I thought the muslims were all coming from the middle east to escape the destruction the american invasions has had on their countries? Afghanistan (Americans fighting what they created), Iraq War (based on lies), Libya (wanted off the US currency stranglehold), Syria (another access to Russia that US wants to control like Afghanistan).
    I complained about all of those things too, but it doesn't mean I want to live with people who think Sharia law is great.

    By the way, the Canadian government went with us to all of those places, so you're taking in the peoples whose homes you helped destroy, too.

    Quote If some invading force basically destroyed and took over my country, I'd want to migrate too to somewhere friendly like Canada too.
    The globalists running Canada are only friendly to Islam because it serves their political agendas. Mention the violence going on in South Africa and suddenly Canadians aren't so friendly anymore.

    Quote But maybe the "gouge you till death" private healthcare, and amazing education system will be the clincher
    I made a lengthy post here about the miracles of the Canadian healthcare system, including bloated prices (even higher generics than in the US), months-long waits that could prove lethal, lack of innovation, etc., almost all cited from mainstream Canadian sources, but no one from Canada seems to want to touch it. Pesky things like that just get a lot of eye-rolling, self-righteous huffing and puffing, etc. etc.

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    I thought the muslims were all coming from the middle east to escape the destruction the american invasions has had on their countries? Afghanistan (Americans fighting what they created), Iraq War (based on lies), Libya (wanted off the US currency stranglehold), Syria (another access to Russia that US wants to control like Afghanistan).
    I complained about all of those things too, but it doesn't mean I want to live with people who think Sharia law is great.

    By the way, the Canadian government went with us to all of those places, so you're taking in the peoples whose homes you helped destroy, too.

    Quote If some invading force basically destroyed and took over my country, I'd want to migrate too to somewhere friendly like Canada too.
    The globalists running Canada are only friendly to Islam because it serves their political agendas. Mention the violence going on in South Africa and suddenly Canadians aren't so friendly anymore.

    Quote But maybe the "gouge you till death" private healthcare, and amazing education system will be the clincher
    I made a lengthy post here about the miracles of the Canadian healthcare system, including bloated prices (even higher generics than in the US), months-long waits that could prove lethal, lack of innovation, etc., almost all cited from mainstream Canadian sources, but no one from Canada seems to want to touch it. Pesky things like that just get a lot of eye-rolling, self-righteous huffing and puffing, etc. etc.
    I guess that's how you see it then BTW for Libya, Syria, and Iraq, we had no troops, only a dozen or so (well very low numbers anyway) special ops CSIS types, because you guys need to hire the best. Afghanistan saw a few Canadian troops, well, what your guys didn't manage to kill in so called "friendly fire" incidents, lol. Don't make me post the articles.
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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
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    I merely find it odd that we cannot get across the border without intense scrutiny while the southern border is wide open for any and all.
    Figure that one out and you'll also figure out why Canada is importing so many Muslims from the Middle East.

    Or this poster on the right, from the German Green Party:



    "TOD DEM WEIßEN, DEUTSCHEN MANN"

    Plug that into Google translate and see what you get. That's a real German political poster in the year 2019.

    🤡🌎
    Did you translate the other poster? The two posters together is an anti-Nazi message - HOW DARE THEY??!!! ... you see, there's this useful thing called "context" ...
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    Did you translate the other poster? The two posters together is an anti-Nazi message - HOW DARE THEY??!!!
    Yes, because real National Socialists are clearly running for office in Germany right now. Kill them all, then.

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    Did you translate the other poster? The two posters together is an anti-Nazi message - HOW DARE THEY??!!!
    Yes, because real National Socialists are clearly running for office in Germany right now. Kill them all, then.
    Well, to be fair, white supremacy groups are on the rise in Germany ... so yeah, the posters do make some sense , again within context: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/w...-neo-nazi.html
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    Hello Everyone:

    This is GREAT! The Alberta 51 Movement! I find it fascinating how the majority of this thread is utter non sense.

    My family has lived in Alberta since 1904. Before Alberta became a province.

    I have never heard of this movement called "Alberta51.
    Of course that doesn't mean there isn't one.

    There is a movement in Alberta to separate from Canada completely and have a country unto itself called Alberta the country.
    Most people laugh about it but it's quite serious since our federal government is in the east and they only care about getting more cash from Alberta.
    I believe this is a ploy like Quebec has been doing since confederation to get freebies from the federal government and the other provinces. Quebec will NEVER SEPARATE. It's too lucrative to bluff for cash.

    Back to the Alberta 51 Movement. There must only be a couple of people in it or I would have heard about it along with the other millions of people in Alberta.

    By the way I live in southern Alberta and find it convenient to go to Montana since they have no sales tax either. Montana would simply laugh if Alberta wanted to be in the USA. The majority of Albertans would simply laugh about this ploy also.

    IF you live in Alberta you are a PROUD Albertan most of the time.
    IF you live outside Alberta you would be like everyone that loves Texas and doesn't live there.

    Please keep the facts straight if you are going to discuss Alberta. There's tooooooo many lies going on today with the provincial election being held today

    Welcome to anyone that wants to come and visit! It's a great place to live and raise a family.

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    Well, to be fair, white supremacy groups are on the rise in Germany ... so yeah, the posters do make some sense , again within context: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/w...-neo-nazi.html
    In a year where people like you openly defend posters calling for the death of white German men, no matter how you justify it, you can expect people to stand up and resist their own destruction. You can call them white supremacists for defending their own people and culture if you want, but calling them names isn't going to help anyone or make you feel cute anymore when SHTF and life gets real.

    And traditionally, people who are considered traitors to their own people are dealt with first, because the danger within is considered more dangerous than the danger without. This is exactly how the real Nazis came to power in the first place, by the way. Just look at the degeneracy of the Weimar Republic. That's what the Germans were reacting to when they elected Hitler.

    Quote Posted by chancy (here)
    I have never heard of this movement called "Alberta51.
    Of course that doesn't mean there isn't one.
    Considering that Canadian national news is reporting on it, and I'm sure they have no love lost for the conservatives in Alberta, the reporting against their own interest says to me that they are concerned enough about it to finally be drawing public attention to it.

    Many people are unaware of things until mass media alerts them to it. I'll leave it to you to figure out why that is. But according to their own polls, 50% of Albertans already favor secession from Canada. I'm sure less than that would go the extra step to entertaining joining the union, but Texas joined under similar circumstances after seceding from Mexico, and they've done fairly well for themselves since then. Mexicans risk their lives to get in now.

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    Well, to be fair, white supremacy groups are on the rise in Germany ... so yeah, the posters do make some sense , again within context: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/w...-neo-nazi.html
    In a year where people like you openly defend posters calling for the death of white German men, ...
    I didn't defend anything. I noted that the one poster you singled out, was obviously part of the group of messages, which was an anti-nazi message. That's all that happened there, I'm afraid. But great imagination.


    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
    You can call them white supremacists for defending their own people and culture if you want, but calling them names isn't going to help anyone or make you feel cute anymore when SHTF and life gets real.
    I was only calling the actual white supremacists, 'white supremacists'. Who did you think I was referring to? Are you a white supremacist?


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    And traditionally, people who are considered traitors to their own people are dealt with first, because the danger within is considered more dangerous than the danger without.
    I guess I better be scared now ... I am certainly a traitor, as you imply. :shock:
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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
    In a year where people like you openly defend posters calling for the death of white German men, ...
    I didn't defend anything. I noted that the one poster you singled out, was obviously part of the group of messages, which was an anti-nazi message. That's all that happened there, I'm afraid. But great imagination.
    So you think an "anti-nazi message" (when Nazis aren't even running for office, and neither are "white supremacists") justifies a poster that says "Death to white German men" or not?

    To be clear, you think this is an acceptable message, in any context, or not?

    Quote I was only calling the actual white supremacists, 'white supremacists'. Who did you think I was referring to? Are you a white supremacist?
    I probably am by your loose definition of the term, which apparently includes anyone who doesn't want death to all white German men.

    There was a time, before leftists became insane, when "white supremacy" actually meant white people who believe that the white race is superior to all other races, believe it or not. Ancient history, I know.

    Quote I guess I better be scared now ... I am certainly a traitor, as you imply. :shock:
    Canadians have never had much fight in them, if history is any indication, but in Europe, things are coming to a boil fairly rapidly, and it's not going to be pretty when violence finally does erupt over there.

    Indiscriminately calling for the death of white men (and I know from your other posts here that you clearly have anti-white programming going on) is just about the exact opposite of what a sane person would be doing to de-escalate racial tensions.

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    In a year where people like you openly defend posters calling for the death of white German men, ...
    I didn't defend anything. I noted that the one poster you singled out, was obviously part of the group of messages, which was an anti-nazi message. That's all that happened there, I'm afraid. But great imagination.
    So you think an "anti-nazi message" (when Nazis aren't even running for office, and neither are "white supremacists") justifies a poster that says "Death to white German men" or not?
    I didn't give any indication either way what I think on that despite you responding as though I had. I don't think any form of racism is appropriate at all (of which is rampant everywhere even here on Avalon - I don't appreciate one form of racism over another). But, as I said, that one ,message was taken out of context by you, all I did was seek to clarify the context. If one is selective in what the pull from context to make their point, it must be because it is felt the full truth alone isn't adequate to sway someones opinions ... when you need to try to sway someone's opinions by pulling things out of context, it reveals a bias against the full truth in th e message attempting to be conveyed, when there is no need.


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    To be clear, you think this is an acceptable message, in any context, or not?
    To be clear, see above.


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    Quote I was only calling the actual white supremacists, 'white supremacists'. Who did you think I was referring to? Are you a white supremacist?
    I probably am by your loose definition of the term, which apparently includes anyone who doesn't want death to all white German men.
    Is that what a "white supremecist" is? I didn't actual indicate any definition whatsoever, so we just have yours to go by here ... (I guess you would know so, yes you can answer that).


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    There was a time, before leftists became insane, when "white supremacy" actually meant white people who believe that the white race is superior to all other races, believe it or not. Ancient history, I know.
    I guess I'm not up to speed ... what is the new definition again? I don't think many people know the definition has changed, please let us know the new one so we can be less offensive to your type.


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    Canadians have never had much fight in them, if history is any indication, but in Europe, things are coming to a boil fairly rapidly, and it's not going to be pretty when violence finally does erupt over there.
    That's what Holland said ...
    You should come to Canada some time .. .make sure to visit the north ... I'd pay money to see that.

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    Indiscriminately calling for the death of white men (and I know from your other posts here that you clearly have anti-white programming going on) is just about the exact opposite of what a sane person would be doing to de-escalate racial tensions.
    Now you call me insane, programmed, and you say I am calling for the death of white men (I am white and mostly german, lol) ... so I see you are now at thepoint where you have reduced your participation in this discussion to using ad hominens Thanks for trying anyway ... its been a treat.
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    So you think an "anti-nazi message" (when Nazis aren't even running for office, and neither are "white supremacists") justifies a poster that says "Death to white German men" or not?
    I didn't give any indication either way what I think on that
    Which says enough in itself. Whether or not you support the genocide of white people in their native European countries shouldn't be a question that you have to dodge, ever.

    Quote I don't think any form of racism is appropriate at all (of which is rampant everywhere even here on Avalon - I don't appreciate one form of racism over another).
    Yeah, I think it's too late for that honestly. You just tried to justify the poster above by implying they only meant "Nazis," who aren't even running for office, as if that makes killing anyone okay anyway. You guys just paint everyone as a white supremacist and Nazi today and use it to justify your genocidal hatred, which is frankly getting completely out of hand and is only going to have a bad ending. I think it's absolutely disgusting that this kind of language is going around at all, let alone that someone would have the balls to actually defend it in any way whatsoever. A poster saying "Death to the white German man" is just being taken out of context because they only meant "Nazis"? This is clown world stuff.

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    There was a time, before leftists became insane, when "white supremacy" actually meant white people who believe that the white race is superior to all other races, believe it or not. Ancient history, I know.
    I guess I'm not up to speed ... what is the new definition again?
    You tell me, since I am apparently a white supremacist because I find a poster saying "Death to the white German man" offensive in any context.

    Quote Now you call me insane, programmed, and you say I am calling for the death of white men (I am white and mostly german, lol)
    Most radicals saying genocidal stuff like what's on those posters today are white. That's the craziest thing about it.

    If this kind of nonsense isn't clown-world programming then I don't know what is:



    Every single day this variety of garbage is being injected into public discourse by people with genocidal intentions. Actual racially-motivating crimes are so few and far between that leftists have to complain about the "whiteness" of freaking libraries to keep the murderous outrage churning. Clown world. They won't stop until there is nothing left of our civilization.

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    ... Actual racially-motivating crimes are so few and far between ...
    That's my view as well. So what's all the rhetoric about again? We need to use hate to combat a lack of actual racially motivated crimes? You lost me there ...

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