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    Default Re: Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador tears up asylum deal

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    https://www.rt.com/usa/456270-trump-on-assanges-
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    WTAF! Trump has proven that he is a sock puppet president!
    Assange has to testify in court.

    He's been releasing incriminating evidence to the public for years and absolutely nothing of consequence has come of it. The only possible way for it to gain traction in the US legal system is for it to be introduced into a court case as evidence.

    Saying "I know nothing about this" is a distancing maneuver.

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    Default Re: Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador tears up asylum deal

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    Quote Posted by AriG (here)
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    WTAF! Trump has proven that he is a sock puppet president!
    Assange has to testify in court.

    He's been releasing incriminating evidence to the public for years and absolutely nothing of consequence has come of it. The only possible way for it to gain traction in the US legal system is for it to be introduced into a court case as evidence.

    Saying "I know nothing about this" is a distancing maneuver.
    So it’s ok for the President to lie?

    If evidenceni s incriminating it should be released! War criminals go Scott free while journalists are persecuted? You welcome 1984 with your words. I get where you are coming from, but these games must stop.
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    So it’s ok for the President to lie?
    This is news to you? When haven't politicians lied? Try to give a serious answer to that question.

    Not since Jesus Christ himself was king, which was... never.

    Of course Trump knows what is going on with Assange and Wikileaks and of course he is going to lie about it, because any perceived political bias in the court precedings can result in entire cases being thrown out. And how is that going to help Mr. Assange's crusade for a better world? He's been shouting into the wind for over a decade now.

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    Default Re: Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador tears up asylum deal

    Under the Geneva Convention, Assange is a Prisoner of War as a war correspondent. Switzerland is obligated to offer him asylum.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/prisoner-of-war
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    Default Re: Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador tears up asylum deal

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    Quote Posted by AriG (here)
    So it’s ok for the President to lie?
    This is news to you? When haven't politicians lied? Try to give a serious answer to that question.

    Not since Jesus Christ himself was king, which was... never.

    Of course Trump knows what is going on with Assange and Wikileaks and of course he is going to lie about it, because any perceived political bias in the court precedings can result in entire cases being thrown out. And how is that going to help Mr. Assange's crusade for a better world? He's been shouting into the wind for over a decade now.
    An upside down answer in an upside down world. It will be great when all the boomers, aka sell outs, have long retired for a good sleep. Boomers have effed up this reality and not unlike the dinosaur, their ideologies need to be rendered extinct.

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    An upside down answer in an upside down world. It will be great when all the boomers, aka sell outs, have long retired for a good sleep. Boomers have effed up this reality and not unlike the dinosaur, their ideologies need to be rendered extinct.
    You mean the hippy generation? Sad to say I think you are onto something with that one. Millennials aren't helping much, either, but Generation Z is an entirely different beast altogether.

    Alex Jones knows it's coming too: "Bigger waves are coming. We don't rise and fall with Trump. Now you're going to see the next wave. Good luck with that."


    Quote comes near the very end, at the 6:00 time stamp.

    Not really surprising when the kids today, who are always rebellious in any generation, are growing up in a world where these are the accepted messages from adults:



    Quote On Deck, “Generation Z,” the most conservative generation in 70 years. ...

    In comparison to preceding generations that had their early development shaped by naïve Disney movies and picture-postcard generalizations, Generation Z is growing up in the age of YouTube, twitter, and for better or worse, LiveLeak. This raw exposure to global events generates a more realistic, pragmatic, and a more calibrated, nuanced outlook than millennials before them. Gen Z values being challenged, contradiction, and debate, because their limitless options for information provides them with confidence.
    https://dailycaller.com/2017/02/07/t...rry-democrats/
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    Default Re: Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador tears up asylum deal

    Jim from mountains,

    Too many links to quote on my phone but I think you missed my point. Alex Jones is Stratfor- to be disregarded.

    Boomers = 1945-1964 - once idealistic but sold out and created this ugly reality, almost as though they were angry to have to concede to economic pressure, so they were going to pay it back in spades and effed it all up.

    This Gen Z? Not good. Purely programmed, just like the silent generation (1922-1941). Total sheep.

    Though I am not one for pigeon holing people, there does seem to be some truth in the generational demographic does seem to have some legitimacy.

    But I fear that Gen Zzzzzzzzz will put everyone back to sleep!

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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
    A Voice, this is obviously just a side note (nothing to do with Assange) but since you took the trouble to find and post such an excellent picture - a poster of the German Green Party saying: ‚Death to the white German man‘ - would you be so nice to add the context, too?

    In my years as a reader on PA I learnt to listen carefully to opinions which are the extreme opposite of my own. And to seriously consider if there might be something to it. But I expect people not to be taken for idiots. I usually enjoy reading your posts except there is blunt manipulation (btw I‘ve not the tiniest bit of sympathy for any Green Party)
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    Default Re: Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador tears up asylum deal

    Here's another (leftist) article from The Atlantic, January of this year, demonizing Trump and Assange and painting them in on a common plot/ideology:

    Quote What Julian Assange and Donald Trump Have in Common

    When a court filing in Virginia last November inadvertently revealed that Julian Assange faces unspecified criminal charges in the United States, Donald Trump had nothing to say. He’s had almost nothing to say about Assange since being elected president. But while running for president, Trump couldn’t stop talking about WikiLeaks.

    At the time, Assange’s organization was acting as an arm of Russian intelligence, releasing hundreds of hacked emails from Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee, and timing the dumps for maximum benefit to Trump: tipping off Trump’s crony Roger Stone, disrupting the Democratic National Convention, distracting the press by publishing a cache of emails 29 minutes after the Access Hollywood video surfaced. Assange became a hero to the right-wing media, hailed as a brave oracle by Sean Hannity. Trump could hardly believe his good fortune. “WikiLeaks! I love WikiLeaks!” he shouted to a cheering crowd in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, on October 10, 2016. By one count, Trump mentioned Assange’s organization at least 164 times in the last month of the campaign.

    Read: The secret correspondence between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks

    By the month of his inauguration, the president-elect was backing away: “The dishonest media likes saying that I am in Agreement with Julian Assange—wrong. I simply state what he states, it is for the people …” Then, as president, Trump went silent on WikiLeaks—while his intelligence agencies concluded that Russia had orchestrated the leaks to help him get elected, and his CIA director called WikiLeaks “a nonstate hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia” and Assange a “narcissist.” Then, in November 2018, came the accidental revelation that Assange has been charged in a U.S. federal court—perhaps for the same leaks that Trump, now quiet on the subject, once found so helpful.
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    If it were just dumb luck that landed WikiLeaks in the Trump camp, then the only question would be how Republicans became so unprincipled that they would welcome the political help of avowed enemies of American democracy. But it’s always a mistake to explain Trump’s motives as sheer opportunism. In fact, the lift from WikiLeaks wasn’t dumb luck, and more than self-interest led to the embrace between Trump and Assange. For years, WikiLeaks was considered politically on the left, the darling of Western progressives. Then why did it organize its releases to inflict the greatest damage on Hillary Clinton? Why not go after Trump instead? Or, at least, Trump too? What made WikiLeaks a hero to Fox News and the American right?

    The answer lies in one of the weirdest inversions of the past few years: Trump and Assange turned out to be second cousins. WikiLeaks and the Republican Party are distant ideological allies. They have common enemies. They use similarly nihilistic tactics toward similarly antidemocratic ends. In that dark place where the extremes meet, they benefit by undermining the same institutions. They despise the same mainstream press and the same nefarious “deep state.” Their supporters hate the same people. They hate liberals, and liberalism.

    Four or five years ago, a few writers looked into the politics of Assange and two other famous radical leakers, Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald, and made a strange discovery: Many of their views shaded toward the farther reaches of the right. Their greatest animus seemed to be reserved for the Democratic Party and The New York Times. They had friendly things to say about the ultraconservative libertarian Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus. Assange eventually became an open mouthpiece of Vladimir Putin’s foreign policy. Snowden, after leaking thousands of secret documents to Greenwald and Laura Poitras, became the ward of and occasional apologist for the autocratic regime in Moscow. After the 2016 election, when reporters began to uncover interference by Russian intelligence, in concert with WikiLeaks, on Trump’s behalf, Greenwald used his wide influence to denounce and mock the very idea.

    Defenders of the radical leakers said that their politics didn’t matter—what mattered was the dirty doings of the surveillance state that the leakers exposed. It turned out that both things mattered. And now that we’re living in Trump’s America, in what looks more and more like Putin’s world, it’s possible that the politics matters more.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...nemies/579811/

    Translation: Assange and Trump are both assaulting the established global order. Conventional politics and conventional political labels have little to do with it with neo-cons and supranational socialists are essentially the exact same group.


    Interesting development to come right on the heels of Assange's arrest:

    Quote IMF approves $4.2bn loan for Ecuador

    WASHINGTON - The International Monetary Fund on Monday approved a $4.2-billion, three-year loan for Ecuador, part of a broader aid package to help support the government's economic reform program.

    The Washington-based lender agreed to the terms of the financing late last month, and the final approval of the IMF board on Monday releases the first installment of $652-million.

    IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde said the aid will support the government's efforts to shore up its finances, including a wage "realignment," gradual lowering of fuel subsidies, and reduction of public debt.

    "The savings generated by these measures will allow for an increase in social assistance spending over the course of the program," Lagarde said in a statement, stressing that "Protecting the poor and most vulnerable segments in society is a key objective" of the program.

    Quito is expected to receive another $6-billion from the Development Bank of Latin America, the Inter-American Development Bank, the World Bank and the Latin American Reserve Fund.
    https://www.enca.com/business/imf-ap...2atC2arrg4YKjQ


    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    A Voice, this is obviously just a side note (nothing to do with Assange) but since you took the trouble to find and post such an excellent picture - a poster of the German Green Party saying: ‚Death to the white German man‘ - would you be so nice to add the context, too?
    They're posters for the German Green Party ("Grune", that you see on the posters, don't have the umlaut handy) for German elections. What additional context is necessary? They have entire university courses now on evil white men, if you need a more thorough reference for their hateful ideology.

    If there is any humor about them, it is purely unintentional on their end. They are completely nuts and only polarizing people.

    Quote Posted by AriG (here)
    Too many links to quote on my phone but I think you missed my point. Alex Jones is Stratfor- to be disregarded.
    He's got issues, but not everything he says is wrong. He serves more than one interest (Mossad, US military contractors like Stratfor) and often seems conflicted and majorly stressed out.

    Quote Though I am not one for pigeon holing people, there does seem to be some truth in the generational demographic does seem to have some legitimacy.
    Every generation grows up with certain collective formative experiences, and tends to swing back against the blind spots that the previous generation has been oblivious too. That's always the pattern, and the general idea is simple enough.



    Not everyone falls into the stereotypes, but enough people follow the general trend that it ends up shaping society as a whole.

    Hippies revolted against 1950s-era social conservatism in the 60s and 70s.
    Gen X revolted against hippies through the 1980s, swung back to the right.
    Millennials revolted against the conservatism of the 80s and 90s, swung way left.
    Gen Z is going to be an equally "extreme" reaction to the gender-fluid identity nonsense of the Millennials.

    It's almost like physics, or a self-corrective force in nature. It's basically in-built into kids to rebel against their parents, and for good reason. A certain level of debate and conflict is healthy and keeps people sharp and on their toes, and serves as a pressure release valve to head off larger conflicts.

    What I'm concerned about is not Gen Z, but what is going to come after them, because if they get too far off the leash, they'll cause a backlash of their own. These swings usually escalate until a major war occurs and calms everybody back down with massive bloodshed. That is what would ideally be avoided through political means, but at the same time, there are a lot of deep problems in society that have to be addressed in a serious way, and Assange has a role to play in that.

    Assange has to put his evidence into the US legal system in the same way that Frodo had to take his ring back to Mordor and throw it directly into a volcano there. Maybe a tacky metaphor but also very appropriate imo.

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    Voice, the posters are fake. Designed by a group with a certain agenda and glued at the office windows of the green party, from the outside. Police is investigating. I thought you know that. It is not a big issue per se, but hundreds of small actions like that are taken to poison the social climate. That makes me angry. Sorry for going off topic.

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    The New York Times wrote today that the Assange extradition to America was just for the breaking of a military code in 2010 related to the Manning material dump, and not anything to do with the 2016 election of Trump. Methinks the U.S. prosecution will avoid the latter because then the whole Seth Rich murder will come up and really expose the British intelligence services interference in the 2016 U.S. election. It really would obliterate the whole Russia collusion narrative, and I guess that won't be allowed to happen.

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    Default Re: Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador tears up asylum deal

    Dave from X22 Report has looked into the matter, and gives his point of view below. See 2.45 to 16.00 minutes.

    As you would expect it is highly likely Julian Assange is the source that will testify against the deep state and "is protected by the USA." (See Q3312)



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    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    Voice, the posters are fake. Designed by a group with a certain agenda and glued at the office windows of the green party, from the outside. Police is investigating. I thought you know that. It is not a big issue per se, but hundreds of small actions like that are taken to poison the social climate. That makes me angry. Sorry for going off topic.
    If they are fake, then they're still fundamentally no different than the actual ideology of the radical left in West.

    There is no question that this is real, for example:

    Quote US University To Offer Course In ‘Angry White Men’ And White Men Are Angry

    There’s certainly something to be said about the stereotype of white cis men. A stereotype the University of Kansas is turning into a subject, announcing they will be opening enrollments for a class on ‘Angry White Male Studies’ from next year. And naturally, white men are angry.

    The course will explore the rise of the angry white male since the 1950s, particularly focusing on men in the United States and Britain. It will, according to the course handbook, explore “dominant and subordinate masculinities” and connect to “modern rights-based movements of women, people of color, homosexuals and trans individuals.”
    https://www.marieclaire.com.au/angry-white-men-course

    Just as a thought experiment, change that headline to read "US University to Offer Course in 'Angry Black Men" and Black Men Are Angry." This is why it doesn't even seem implausible that those posters are fake, and I'm not convinced that they are, since the German police are a joke anyway. The modern left in general is creating a clown world and setting themselves up for their worst nightmare.

    These headlines aren't fake either:



    Masculinity is toxic, whites are all oppressors, gender-fluid children are good (just ask the new royal couple), Islam is great, Christianity is bad. I'm not sure you realize the gravity of the effect these messages are having on the kids growing up today and being barraged with all of this nonsense. Young white men are turning to literal Nazism en masse because they are actually internalizing the idea that they are all "evil monsters," and learning to identify with historical figures who were similarly villified by popular culture. And this is the intolerant left's own doing, manifesting exactly the kind of reality they have nightmares about, like a self-fulfilling prophecy.


    Dr. Turley has an interesting take on Assange's arrest in the context of globalist politics, and how loyalty to an international order over one's own national identity has ironically blown up in globalists' faces with Assange:


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    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    Sad Day, Yes the photo speaks volumes. I can only hope Julian has Superb Counselors. I certainly appreciate all that he has done. Hey, Isn't there a dead man's trigger in line here, or does it only work if he dies?
    Just a dead man’s switch. They can’t afford to kill him. Now that I’ve calmed down a bit I’m thinking they can’t hurt him too much, his health is already frail, and they’ll probably want to parade him around a bit.

    He’s not a martyr, he’s a fighter, so his legal team and WikiLeaks will fight tooth and nail.

    * * *

    The book will be a message. It’s about how the military industrial complex was created to make money and created a fake enemy to justify it, the Soviet Union. Assange will have already sorted signs for his lawyers and close friends, he’s said as much in the past. So if it looks like he’s signalling, he probably is.

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    From the comment section of THIS article, posted by unfree1951 -

    Quote How many countries does it take to frame, arrest, and/or corner an unarmed man, a brave journalist dedicated to the release of truthful reports to the world?

    Five! Ecuador, UK, USA, Sweden & Australia too do not see their collective folly. They ganged up (ignoring & abandoning own citizen's plight & needs included) against one man, Assange.

    Don't they see how the world sèes them now? If it is not so terrible for what Assange has been through the rest of us who still have our sanity and conscience intact would be highly entertained.
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    Chelsea and Julian are in Jail. History Trembles [Craig Murray]
    12 Apr, 2019 in Uncategorized by craig

    Tonight both Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange are in jail, both over offences related to the publication of materials specifying US war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq, and both charged with nothing else at all. No matter what bull**** political and MSM liars try to feed you, that is the simple truth. Manning and Assange are true heroes of our time, and are suffering for it.

    If a Russian opposition politician were dragged out by armed police, and within three hours had been convicted on a political charge by a patently biased judge with no jury, with a lengthy jail sentence to follow, can you imagine the Western media reaction to that kind of kangaroo court? Yet that is exactly what just happened in London.

    District Judge Michael Snow is a disgrace to the bench who deserves to be infamous well beyond his death. He displayed the most plain and open prejudice against Assange in the 15 minutes it took for him to hear the case and declare Assange guilty, in a fashion which makes the dictators’ courts I had witnessed, in Babangida’s Nigeria or Karimov’s Uzbekistan, look fair and reasonable, in comparison to the gross charade of justice conducted by Michael Snow.

    One key fact gave away Snow’s enormous prejudice. Julian Assange said nothing during the whole brief proceedings, other than to say “Not guilty” twice, and to ask a one sentence question about why the charges were changed midway through this sham “trial”. Yet Judge Michael Snow condemned Assange as “narcissistic”. There was nothing that happened in Snow’s brief court hearing that could conceivably have given rise to that opinion. It was plainly something he brought with him into the courtroom, and had read or heard in the mainstream media or picked up in his club. It was in short the very definition of prejudice, and “Judge” Michael Snow and his summary judgement is a total disgrace.

    We wrapped up the final Wikileaks and legal team meeting at 21.45 tonight and thereafter Kristian Hrafnsson and I had dinner together. The whole team, including Julian, is energised rather than downhearted. At last there is no more hiding for the pretend liberals behind ludicrous Swedish allegations or bail jumping allegations, and the true motive – revenge for the Chelsea Manning revelations – is now completely in the open.

    To support the persecution of Assange in these circumstances is to support absolute state censorship of the internet. It is to support the claim that any journalist who receives and publishes official material which indicates US government wrongdoing, can be punished for its publication. Furthermore this US claim involves an astonishing boost to universal jurisdiction. Assange was nowhere near the USA when he published the documents, but nonetheless US courts are willing to claim jurisdiction. This is a threat to press and internet freedom everywhere.

    These are scary times. But those may also be the most inspiring of times
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    Tucker: People are mad at Assange instead of Obama

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7OfU7


    What's next for Assange - good discussion
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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
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    So it’s ok for the President to lie?
    This is news to you? When haven't politicians lied? Try to give a serious answer to that question.

    Not since Jesus Christ himself was king, which was... never.

    Of course Trump knows what is going on with Assange and Wikileaks and of course he is going to lie about it, because any perceived political bias in the court precedings can result in entire cases being thrown out. And how is that going to help Mr. Assange's crusade for a better world? He's been shouting into the wind for over a decade now.
    An upside down answer in an upside down world. It will be great when all the boomers, aka sell outs, have long retired for a good sleep. Boomers have effed up this reality and not unlike the dinosaur, their ideologies need to be rendered extinct.
    If you can simply dismiss a whole generation at the tip of your fingers, the question is what are you going to do? What is your generation doing to correct this? I seriously would like an answer.

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    Do no harm. Watch and observe, live intentionally and find alternatives to the malicious narrative- and let me clarify - most boomers, not all boomers. Mea culpa.

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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
    Here's another (leftist) article from The Atlantic, January of this year, demonizing Trump and Assange and painting them in on a common plot/ideology:

    Quote What Julian Assange and Donald Trump Have in Common

    When a court filing in Virginia last November inadvertently revealed that Julian Assange faces unspecified criminal charges in the United States, Donald Trump had nothing to say. He’s had almost nothing to say about Assange since being elected president. But while running for president, Trump couldn’t stop talking about WikiLeaks.

    At the time, Assange’s organization was acting as an arm of Russian intelligence, releasing hundreds of hacked emails from Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee, and timing the dumps for maximum benefit to Trump: tipping off Trump’s crony Roger Stone, disrupting the Democratic National Convention, distracting the press by publishing a cache of emails 29 minutes after the Access Hollywood video surfaced. Assange became a hero to the right-wing media, hailed as a brave oracle by Sean Hannity. Trump could hardly believe his good fortune. “WikiLeaks! I love WikiLeaks!” he shouted to a cheering crowd in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, on October 10, 2016. By one count, Trump mentioned Assange’s organization at least 164 times in the last month of the campaign.

    Read: The secret correspondence between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks

    By the month of his inauguration, the president-elect was backing away: “The dishonest media likes saying that I am in Agreement with Julian Assange—wrong. I simply state what he states, it is for the people …” Then, as president, Trump went silent on WikiLeaks—while his intelligence agencies concluded that Russia had orchestrated the leaks to help him get elected, and his CIA director called WikiLeaks “a nonstate hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia” and Assange a “narcissist.” Then, in November 2018, came the accidental revelation that Assange has been charged in a U.S. federal court—perhaps for the same leaks that Trump, now quiet on the subject, once found so helpful.
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    If it were just dumb luck that landed WikiLeaks in the Trump camp, then the only question would be how Republicans became so unprincipled that they would welcome the political help of avowed enemies of American democracy. But it’s always a mistake to explain Trump’s motives as sheer opportunism. In fact, the lift from WikiLeaks wasn’t dumb luck, and more than self-interest led to the embrace between Trump and Assange. For years, WikiLeaks was considered politically on the left, the darling of Western progressives. Then why did it organize its releases to inflict the greatest damage on Hillary Clinton? Why not go after Trump instead? Or, at least, Trump too? What made WikiLeaks a hero to Fox News and the American right?

    The answer lies in one of the weirdest inversions of the past few years: Trump and Assange turned out to be second cousins. WikiLeaks and the Republican Party are distant ideological allies. They have common enemies. They use similarly nihilistic tactics toward similarly antidemocratic ends. In that dark place where the extremes meet, they benefit by undermining the same institutions. They despise the same mainstream press and the same nefarious “deep state.” Their supporters hate the same people. They hate liberals, and liberalism.

    Four or five years ago, a few writers looked into the politics of Assange and two other famous radical leakers, Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald, and made a strange discovery: Many of their views shaded toward the farther reaches of the right. Their greatest animus seemed to be reserved for the Democratic Party and The New York Times. They had friendly things to say about the ultraconservative libertarian Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus. Assange eventually became an open mouthpiece of Vladimir Putin’s foreign policy. Snowden, after leaking thousands of secret documents to Greenwald and Laura Poitras, became the ward of and occasional apologist for the autocratic regime in Moscow. After the 2016 election, when reporters began to uncover interference by Russian intelligence, in concert with WikiLeaks, on Trump’s behalf, Greenwald used his wide influence to denounce and mock the very idea.

    Defenders of the radical leakers said that their politics didn’t matter—what mattered was the dirty doings of the surveillance state that the leakers exposed. It turned out that both things mattered. And now that we’re living in Trump’s America, in what looks more and more like Putin’s world, it’s possible that the politics matters more.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...nemies/579811/

    Translation: Assange and Trump are both assaulting the established global order. Conventional politics and conventional political labels have little to do with it with neo-cons and supranational socialists are essentially the exact same group.


    Interesting development to come right on the heels of Assange's arrest:

    Quote IMF approves $4.2bn loan for Ecuador

    WASHINGTON - The International Monetary Fund on Monday approved a $4.2-billion, three-year loan for Ecuador, part of a broader aid package to help support the government's economic reform program.

    The Washington-based lender agreed to the terms of the financing late last month, and the final approval of the IMF board on Monday releases the first installment of $652-million.

    IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde said the aid will support the government's efforts to shore up its finances, including a wage "realignment," gradual lowering of fuel subsidies, and reduction of public debt.

    "The savings generated by these measures will allow for an increase in social assistance spending over the course of the program," Lagarde said in a statement, stressing that "Protecting the poor and most vulnerable segments in society is a key objective" of the program.

    Quito is expected to receive another $6-billion from the Development Bank of Latin America, the Inter-American Development Bank, the World Bank and the Latin American Reserve Fund.
    https://www.enca.com/business/imf-ap...2atC2arrg4YKjQ


    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    A Voice, this is obviously just a side note (nothing to do with Assange) but since you took the trouble to find and post such an excellent picture - a poster of the German Green Party saying: ‚Death to the white German man‘ - would you be so nice to add the context, too?
    They're posters for the German Green Party ("Grune", that you see on the posters, don't have the umlaut handy) for German elections. What additional context is necessary? They have entire university courses now on evil white men, if you need a more thorough reference for their hateful ideology.

    If there is any humor about them, it is purely unintentional on their end. They are completely nuts and only polarizing people.

    Quote Posted by AriG (here)
    Too many links to quote on my phone but I think you missed my point. Alex Jones is Stratfor- to be disregarded.
    He's got issues, but not everything he says is wrong. He serves more than one interest (Mossad, US military contractors like Stratfor) and often seems conflicted and majorly stressed out.

    Quote Though I am not one for pigeon holing people, there does seem to be some truth in the generational demographic does seem to have some legitimacy.
    Every generation grows up with certain collective formative experiences, and tends to swing back against the blind spots that the previous generation has been oblivious too. That's always the pattern, and the general idea is simple enough.



    Not everyone falls into the stereotypes, but enough people follow the general trend that it ends up shaping society as a whole.

    Hippies revolted against 1950s-era social conservatism in the 60s and 70s.
    Gen X revolted against hippies through the 1980s, swung back to the right.
    Millennials revolted against the conservatism of the 80s and 90s, swung way left.
    Gen Z is going to be an equally "extreme" reaction to the gender-fluid identity nonsense of the Millennials.

    It's almost like physics, or a self-corrective force in nature. It's basically in-built into kids to rebel against their parents, and for good reason. A certain level of debate and conflict is healthy and keeps people sharp and on their toes, and serves as a pressure release valve to head off larger conflicts.

    What I'm concerned about is not Gen Z, but what is going to come after them, because if they get too far off the leash, they'll cause a backlash of their own. These swings usually escalate until a major war occurs and calms everybody back down with massive bloodshed. That is what would ideally be avoided through political means, but at the same time, there are a lot of deep problems in society that have to be addressed in a serious way, and Assange has a role to play in that.

    Assange has to put his evidence into the US legal system in the same way that Frodo had to take his ring back to Mordor and throw it directly into a volcano there. Maybe a tacky metaphor but also very appropriate imo.
    These generational swings are actually very logical and to be expected. Each generation attempts to correct the perceived "wrongs" or short comings of the previous generation and frequently do it to the extreme. I don't see this changing until our level of consciousness is elevated. As pathetic as our world is at the moment, when I stand back and look at the bigger picture, I believe we are at the turbulent beginnings of that elevation of consciousness. Things will get worse before they get better, metamorphosis is not a calm transformation. Each and every one of us plays a part in what is occurring at this very moment. Our responsibility may be by commission or omission, we simply do not have the luxury of blaming others at this point.

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