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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

    Quote In fact a completely different topic only made relevant to this thread by the fact the Notre Dame Cathedral was mentioned several times. Is their any relevance to this thread Latte?
    If you will ponder the article perhaps you will see the context and understand why it is relevant. One could perhaps argue that it's only tangentially related, but is is indeed relevant.

    I have a friend who is Palestinian. She continually points out tragedies all over the world that go unmentioned in mainstream news while certain others dominate the news for days. This is one of those tragedies - at least for the people who live there and find the continual bombing of their homes, farms and general infrastructure are largely ignored by this country and the world.

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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

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    Quote In fact a completely different topic only made relevant to this thread by the fact the Notre Dame Cathedral was mentioned several times. Is their any relevance to this thread Latte?
    If you will ponder the article perhaps you will see the context and understand why it is relevant. One could perhaps argue that it's only tangentially related, but is is indeed relevant.

    I have a friend who is Palestinian. She continually points out tragedies all over the world that go unmentioned in mainstream news while certain others dominate the news for days. This is one of those tragedies - at least for the people who live there and find the continual bombing of their homes, farms and general infrastructure are largely ignored by this country and the world.
    We are aware there are other tragedic events occurring around the world but this thread is about "specifically Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France."

    You may want to start a thread on these unreported tragedies elsewhere and discuss your concerns their.
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    As Macron considers redesigning Notre Dame Cathedral architectures are considering how they can reimagine the cathedral.

    When in fact it should be restored to it's former glory.

    Although Notre Dame Cathedral is owned by France the site is registered as both a "Monument historique" and a "World Heritage".

    I wonder if these registrations will ensure an exact restoration of the Notre Dame Cathedral regardless of Macrons desires.

    Link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_historique

    Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ites_in_France


    Here Come the Architects: Modernists Want Glass Roof, Steel Spire, or Minaret for Notre Dame

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    "Modern architects have begun circling the charred remains of Notre Dame, proposing that it should not be faithfully restored, but rebuilt with “contemporary” features such as a glass roof, steel spire, or even a minaret.
    With leading academics and professionals in architecture generally being hostile to building or restoring anything in styles predating the infamous Le Corbusier (Charles-Édouard Jeanneret) and the Bauhaus school, they were quick to pounce when President Emmanuel Macron’s prime minister announced there would be a competition to “ask the question of whether we should even recreate the spire as it was conceived… Or if, as is often the case in the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire”...

    Lord Norman Foster, arguably Britain’s most famous modern architect, has unveiled a design topping the ancient cathedral with a glass and steel canopy with a featureless glass and steel spire, which he describes as “a work of art about light” which would be “contemporary and very spiritual and capture the confident spirit of the time” in comments to The Times...



    Ian Ritchie, a modern architect most famous for the so-called Spire of Dublin — a metal spike erected in the Irish capital — is mulling a proposal along similar lines, which he describes as “a refracting, super-slender reflecting crystal to heaven” or a “beautiful contemporary tracery of glass crystals and stainless steel” — i.e. a featureless glass and steel spire."

    Link: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...zen.yandex.com
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    The Burning Of Notre Dame And The Destruction Of Christian Europe

    by Tyler Durden
    Thu, 04/25/2019 - 02:00

    Authored by Guy Milliere via The Gatestone Institute,
    • Barely an hour after the flames began to rise above Notre Dame -- at a time when no explanation could be provided by anyone -- the French authorities rushed to say that the fire was an "accident" and that "arson has been ruled out." The remarks sounded like all the official statements made by the French government after attacks in France during the last decade.
    • The Notre Dame fire also occurred at a time when attacks against churches in France and Europe have been multiplying. More than 800 churches were attacked in France during the year 2018 alone.
    • Churches in France are empty. The number of priests is decreasing and the priests that are active in France are either very old or come from Africa or Latin America. The dominant religion in France is now Islam. Every year, churches are demolished to make way for parking lots or shopping centers. Mosques are being built all over, and they are full.

    The fire that destroyed much of the Notre Dame Cathedral in the heart of Paris is a tragedy that is irreparable. Even if the cathedral is rebuilt, it will never be what it was before. (Photo by Veronique de Viguerie/Getty Images)

    The fire that destroyed much of the Notre Dame Cathedral in the heart of Paris is a tragedy that is irreparable. Even if the cathedral is rebuilt, it will never be what it was before. Stained glass windows and major architectural elements have been severely damaged and the oak frame totally destroyed. The spire that rose from the cathedral was a unique piece of art. It was drawn by the architect who restored the edifice in the nineteenth century, Eugène Viollet-le-Duc, who had based his work on 12th century documents.

    In addition to the fire, the water needed to extinguish the flames penetrated the limestone of the walls and façade, and weakened them, making them brittle. The roof is non-existent: the nave, the transept and the choir now lie in open air, vulnerable to bad weather. They cannot even be protected until the structure has been examined thoroughly, a task that will take weeks. Three major elements of the structure (the north transept pinion, the pinion located between the two towers and the vault) are also on the verge of collapse.

    Notre Dame is more than 800 years old. It survived the turbulence of the Middle Ages, the Reign of Terror of the French Revolution, two World Wars and the Nazi occupation of Paris. It did not survive what France is becoming in the 21st century.

    The cause of the fire has so far been attributed to "an accident," "a short circuit," and most recently "a computer glitch."

    If the fire really was an accident, it is almost impossible to explain how it started. Benjamin Mouton, Notre Dame's former chief architect, explained that the rules were exceptionally strict and that no electric cable or appliance, and no source of heat, could be placed in the attic. He added that an extremely sophisticated alarm system was in place. The company that installed the scaffolding did not use any welding and specialized in this type of work. The fire broke out more than an hour after the workers' departure and none of them was present. It spread so quickly that the firefighters who rushed to the spot as soon as they could get there were shocked. Remi Fromont, the chief architect of the French Historical Monuments said: "The fire could not start from any element present where it started. A real calorific load is necessary to launch such a disaster".

    A long, difficult and complex investigation will be conducted.

    The possibility that the fire was the result of arson cannot be dismissed. Barely an hour after the flames began to rise above Notre Dame -- at a time when no explanation could be provided by anyone -- the French authorities rushed to say that the fire was an "accident" and that "arson has been ruled out." The remarks sounded like all the official statements made by the French government after attacks in France during the last decade.

    In November 2015, on the night of the massacre at the Bataclan Theater in Paris, in which jihadists murdered 90 people, the French Department of the Interior said that the government did not know anything, except that a gunfight had occurred. The truth came out only after ISIS claimed responsibility for the slaughter.

    In Nice, after the truck-attack in July 2016, the French government insisted for several days that the terrorist who crushed 86 people to death was a "man with a nervous breakdown".

    In 2018, Sarah Halimi's murderer, who recited verses from the Quran while torturing his victim, was declared "mentally disturbed" and held in a psychiatric institution immediately after his arrest. He will most likely never face a court. On April 8, Alain Finkielkraut and 38 other intellectuals published a text saying that her murderer must not escape justice. The text had no effect.

    The fire at Notre Dame took place less than three years after a "commando unit" of jihadi women, later arrested, tried to destroy the cathedral by detonating cylinders of natural gas. Three days before last week's fire, on April 12, the leader of the jihadis, Ines Madani, a young French convert to Islam, was sentenced to eight years in prison for creating a terrorist group affiliated with the Islamic State.

    The Notre Dame fire also occurred at a time when attacks against churches in France and Europe have been multiplying. More than 800 churches were attackedin France during the year 2018 alone. Many suffered serious damage: broken, beheaded statues, smashed tabernacles, feces thrown on the walls. In several churches, fires were lit. On March 5, the Basilica of St. Denis, where all but three of the Kings of France are buried, was vandalized by a Pakistani refugee. Several stained-glass windows were broken, and the basilica's organ, a national treasure built between 1834 and 1841, was nearly wrecked. Twelve days later, on March 17, a fire broke out at Saint Sulpice, the largest church in Paris, causing serious damage. After days of silence, the police finally admitted that the cause had been arson.

    For months, jihadist organizations have been issuing statements calling for the destruction of churches and Christian monuments in Europe. Notre Dame was repeatedly named as a primary target. Despite all that, the Cathedral was not adequately protected. A couple of young men, who entered the Cathedral at night, climbed on the roof last November and shot a video that they then put on YouTube.

    Many messages were posted by people with Muslim names on social media -- Twitter, Facebook, the website of Al Jazeera -- expressing a joy to see an important Christian symbol destroyed. Hafsa Askar, a migrant from Morocco and the vice president of the National Union of Students of France (UNEF), the main student organization in France, published a tweet saying, "People are crying on little pieces of wood... it's a delusion of white trash".

    French President Emmanuel Macron, who had never even mentioned the attacks on Saint Denis or Saint Sulpice, quickly went to Notre Dame and declared, "Notre Dame is our history, our literature, our imagination". He totally left out cathedral's religious dimension.

    The next evening, he said that Notre Dame would be rebuilt in five years: it was a bold statement. Many commentators interpreted his words as dictated by his will desperately to try to regain the confidence of the French people after five monthsof demonstrations, riots and destruction stemming from his ineffective handling of the "Yellow Vests" uprising. (On March 16, much of the Champs-Élysées was damaged by rioters; repairs have barely begun.) All experts agree that it will almost certainly take far longer than five years to rebuild Notre Dame.

    Macron strangely added that the cathedral would be "more beautiful" than before -- as if a badly damaged monument could be more beautiful after restoration. Macron went on to say that the reconstruction would be a "contemporary architectural gesture". The remark raised concern, if not panic, among defenders of historic monuments, who now fear that he may want to ​​add modern architectural elements to a jewel of Gothic architecture. Again, he totally left out the cathedral's religious dimension.

    Macron's attitude is not surprising. From the moment he became president, he has kept himself away from any Christian ceremony. Most of the presidents who preceded him did the same. France is a country where a dogmatic secularismreigns supreme. A political leader who dares to call himself a Christian is immediately criticized in the media and can only harm a budding political career. Nathalie Loiseau -- the former director of France's National School of Administration and the leading candidate on the electoral list of Macron's party, "Republic on the Move," for the May 2019 European Parliament elections -- was recently photographed exiting a church after mass, which led to a media debate on whether her church attendance is a "problem."

    The results of French secularism are visible. Christianity has been almost completely wiped out from public life. Churches are empty. The number of priests is decreasing and the priests that are active in France are either very old or come from Africa or Latin America. The dominant religion in France is now Islam. Every year, churches are demolished to make way for parking lots or shopping centers. Mosques are being built all over, and they are full. Radical imams proselytize. The murder, three years ago, of Jacques Hamel, an 85-year-old priest who was slaughtered by two Islamists while he was saying mass in a church where only five people (three of them old nuns) were present, is telling.

    In 1905, the French parliament passed a law decreeing that all the properties of the Catholic Church in France were confiscated. Churches and cathedrals became property of the State. Since then, successive governments have spent little money to maintain them. Those churches that have not been vandalized are in poor condition, and most cathedrals are in poor condition, too. Even before the devastating fire, the Archdiocese of Paris stated that "it can't afford all the repairs" that Notre Dame needed, "estimated at $185 million." According to CBS News, in a March 20, 2018 report:
    "The French government, which owns the cathedral, has pledged around $50 million over the next decade, leaving a bill of $135 million. To raise the rest, Picaud helped launch the Friends of Notre-Dame of Paris Foundation. It works to find private donors both in France and across the Atlantic.

    "'We know Americans are wealthy, so we go where we think we can find money to help restore the cathedral,' Picaud said."
    On the evening of the fire at Notre Dame, hundreds of French people gathered in front of the burning cathedral to sing Psalms and pray. They seemed suddenly to understand that they were losing something immensely precious.

    Following the fire, the French government decided to start collecting donationsfrom private individuals, businesses and organizations for reconstruction; more than one billion euros have poured in. French billionaires promised to pay large sums: the Pinault family (the main owners of the retail conglomerate Kering) promised 100 million euros, the Arnault family (owners of LVMH, the world's largest luxury-goods company), 200 million euros, the Bettencourt family (owners of L'Oréal), also 200 million. Many on the French "left" immediately said that wealthy families had too much money, and that these millions would be better used helping the poor than taking care of old stones.

    For the foreseeable future, the heart of Paris will bear the terrible scars of a fire that devastated far more than a cathedral. The fire destroyed an essential part of what is left of the almost-lost soul of France and what France could accomplish when the French believed in something higher than their own day-to-day existence.

    Some hope that the sight of the destroyed cathedral will inspire many French people to follow the example of those who prayed on the night of the disaster. Michel Aupetit, Archbishop of Paris, said on April 17, two days after the fire, that he was sure France would know a "spiritual awakening".

    Others, not as optimistic, see in the ashes of the cathedral a symbol of the destruction of Christianity in France. The art historian Jean Clair said that he sees in the destruction of Notre Dame an additional sign of an "irreversible decadence" of France, and of the final collapse of the Judeo-Christian roots of Europe.
    An American columnist, Dennis Prager, wrote:
    "The symbolism of the burning of Notre Dame Cathedral, the most renowned building in Western civilization, the iconic symbol of Western Christendom, is hard to miss.

    "It is as if God Himself wanted to warn us in the most unmistakable way that Western Christianity is burning -- and with it, Western civilization."
    Another American author, Rod Dreher, noted:
    "This catastrophe in Paris today is a sign to all of us Christians, and a sign to all people in the West, especially those who despise the civilization that built this great temple to its God on an island in the Seine where religious rites have been celebrated since the days of pagan Rome. It is a sign of what we are losing, and what we will not recover, if we don't change course now."
    For the moment, nothing indicates that France and Western Europe will change course.
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    Quote Posted by BMJ (here)
    You may want to start a thread on these unreported tragedies elsewhere and discuss your concerns their.
    No thank you, I don't. Those unreported tragedies are of very little interest, only the heavily reported are of interest.
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    http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1556203186

    Another write up that speaks volumes re: ND fire, Q, history, and reason for beheading the statues etc...

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    I have a friend who is Palestinian. She continually points out tragedies all over the world that go unmentioned in mainstream news while certain others dominate the news for days. This is one of those tragedies - at least for the people who live there and find the continual bombing of their homes, farms and general infrastructure are largely ignored by this country and the world.
    Chicago is kind of like that too, except with endless shootings and stabbings instead of bombs. Chicago has a higher casualty rate than the peak of the Iraq War, and much of it is ruins today compared to how it looked in the 1950s. (And, incidentally, some of the most prohibitive gun laws in the US.)

    Civilization is a funny thing. Once people achieve it, those people expect a certain standard of civilization to be upheld permanently, even take it for granted. But most of the world is not civilized to our familiar Western standards, sometimes even within our own borders.

    Notre Dame is a symbol of Western civilization as a whole. We are rapidly falling below our previous standards of living to meet the rest of the world.

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    Civilization is a funny thing. Once people achieve it, those people expect a certain standard of civilization to be upheld permanently, even take it for granted. But most of the world is not civilized to our familiar Western standards, sometimes even within our own borders.

    Notre Dame is a symbol of Western civilization as a whole. We are rapidly falling below our previous standards of living to meet the rest of the world.
    I was having similar thoughts a few days while at a youth baseball game. As a civilization we have started catering to the less-civilized. The less-civilized have tantrums when they don't get what they want. Instead of upholding a model of behavior, we have started giving in to the tantrums and thus accepting the infantile behavior as normal.

    As a child, I remember being confused by this. Teachers would parrot the rules and norms, but then wouldn't make the effort to uphold them in any way. I couldn't understand it. Why have the rules at all, if you have no intention of following or enforcing them? A state of anarchy would be preferable to the status quo; where policeman don't feel like arresting the real dangers to society, and the prosecutors don't feel like prosecuting them. In this case, the rules only serve to provide a false sense of security and an illusion that we are living in a civilized society. In reality, the average citizen is more likely to see the rules unfairly used against him or her than to see them applied in any way to improve their own lives. For example, the role of the police is usually to show up afterwards to count the dead bodies (as well as revenue generation through civil assets forfeiture and citations). Anyone who believes otherwise is living in a fantasyland.

    This is why to me the burning of Notre Dame took on a symbolic significance. In the 12th century when it was built, people cared enough about carrying out this beautiful vision to spend entire generations working on it. This takes a sense of purpose beyond the confines of one's own existence. These days, most people I observe and interact with seem to treat Life more like one round of a video game, where you try to collect as many coins and pieces of magic fruit as possible before the time is up.
    There's no time like the present.

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    by Thierry Meyssan Voltaire Network |
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    The Élysée used the fire of Notre-Dame de Paris to carry out a project that was sleeping in the boxes. [The Élysée] has set new rules, outside tender procedures and respect for heritage not to restore the cathedral, but to transform the Île de la Cité into Europe’s leading tourists’ destination on the eve of the Olympic Games of 2024. To avoid judicial constraints, [The] Élysée arbitrarily imposed the hypothesis of a construction incident.



    The fire of Notre-Dame Cathedral
    When the fire of Notre-Dame began on the evening of April 15, 2019, all the French media and many foreigners turned to the burning cathedral. Many foreign TVs have started their news broadcasts with this news, but not France 2.

    The public channel had planned to devote its journal to President Macron’s announced speech concluding the "Great National Debate". The editorial room, completely stunned by the turmoil provoked by this unforeseen drama, consecrated its entire news broadcast to the ND fire, not without having first regretted that the president postponed his speech sine die; a speech much more important in its eyes.

    The coldness of most journalists and the stupidity of the politicians’ hot comments suddenly showed the gaping gulf between their mental world and that of the French. For the ruling class, the beauty of Notre-Dame can not make us forget that it is a monument of Christian superstition. On the contrary, for the public, it is the place where the French meet as a people to recollect or give thanks to God.

    In terms of communication, there will probably be a before and after this fire: a majority of French was stunned by this disaster, and revolted by the arrogant indifference of his ruling class.

    The Island of the City and the tourism industry
    Immediately, the President of the Republic, Emmanuel Macron decided not to rebuild Notre Dame, but to realize a difficult project that had been waiting in drawers for two and a half years.

    In December 2015, a mission was sponsored by the President of the Republic, François Hollande, and the Mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo. It lasted a whole year while Emmanuel Macron was Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital.

    Many personalities participated, including Audrey Azoulay, then Minister of Culture and now Director of Unesco [1], or the Prefect Patrick Strzoda, then Chief of Staff to the Minister of Interior and today Emmanuel Macron.

    It was headed by the President of the National Monuments Center, Philippe Bélaval, and the architect Dominique Perrault.

    Noting that the island of the City is, since its remodeling by Baron Haussmann in the nineteenth century, an administrative complex closed to the public, housing the Sainte-Chapelle and the Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris, the mission proposed to transform it into a "Island-monument". The opportunity is provided by the removal of the Palace of Justice, the reorganization of the Prefecture of Police and the hospital of the Hotel Dieu. It will indeed be possible to reorganize everything.

    The mission has thus listed 35 coordinated projects, including the creation of underground traffic routes and the canopy of many interior courtyards, to make the island a sight-seeing must for 14 million annual tourists and, possibly, French people.

    The report of the mission [2] evokes the incredible commercial value of this project, but does not say a word about the heritage value, particularly spiritual, of Sainte-Chapelle and Notre-Dame that it addresses exclusively as tourist sites, sources of potential income.

    Unfortunately this ambitious project could not, according to its authors, be realized quickly not so much because of the absence of financing as heavy administrative habits and enormous legal constraints. Although there are only a few people on the island, the slightest expropriation can last for decades. More surprisingly, the director of the National Monuments Center seemed to regret the prohibition to destroy part of the heritage to enhance another part. Etc.


    The mission project Bélaval - Perrault The choices of the Élysée

    In the hours that followed, it was obvious that very large funds would be offered by donors ranging from ordinary citizens to large fortunes. The objective of the Élysée was therefore to set up an authority capable of leading both the reconstruction of Notre-Dame and the transformation of the Ile de la Cité.

    The next day, April 16, during a televised speech, President Macron declared: "So, yes, we will rebuild Notre-Dame Cathedral even more beautiful, and I want it to be completed within 5 years" [3]. Let’s forget the "I want" characteristic not of a Republican elected, but of a business leader. Five years is extremely short, especially considering the century and a half of the construction of the cathedral. However, it is the time necessary for the work to be completed in time for tourists from the 2024 Olympic Games. This was the date planned by the Bélaval-Perrault mission.

    Two days later, on the 17th of April, the Council of Ministers was entirely devoted to the consequences of the fire. Three important decisions were recorded:
    • Appoint the former Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces, General Jean-Louis Georgelin, to lead from the Elysee a special representation mission "to ensure the progress of the procedures and work that will be undertaken ».

    • Have the parliament adopt a bill [4] governing the collection of funds, regularizing the appointment of General Georgelin who has reached the age limit and above all exempting his mission from all tendering procedures, heritage protection laws, and any constraints that may arise.`

    • Launch an international architectural competition to rebuild Notre-Dame.
    Another decision was made: to stifle any debate on the causes of the fire in order to avoid a judicial inquiry disturbing this beautiful arrangement.

    The State lies
    Immediately, the new prosecutor of the Republic of Paris, Rémy Heitz, appointed by personal intervention from Emmanuel Macron, ensures that the criminal track is not privileged and that the fire is related to a construction site accident.

    This insurance provokes an outcry from the site’s experts, firefighters, craftsmen and architects, for whom no worksite element was able to cause such a fire, at this place and at this speed.

    The insistence of the Prosecutor and that of the Prefect of Police, Didier Lallement, to take a stand at a time when no investigator had been able to visit the scene of the fire attests to the development of an official version which does not constrain to long investigations blocking the site. It also feeds the interrogations on the arbitrarily dismissed track, that of an anti-Christian or anti-religious act, especially in the context of the vandalism against the churches (878 profanations in 2017), the voluntary fire of the Saint church -Sulpice on March 17, or even the fire of Al-Marwani mosque on the Al-Aqsa esplanade in Jerusalem.

    In addition, knowing that the majority of large fires occur in the context of real estate projects, the hypothesis of a voluntary act to allow the transformation of the Ile de la Cité must be examined. These questions are all legitimate, but in the absence of investigation no definitive answer is.

    Certainly, the goal of President Macron is commendable, but his method is very strange. While it is not possible to launch such a project without changing the rules of law, but if the appointment of a senior general officer is a guarantee of effectiveness, it is not a matter of respect for the law.
    Translation Jean-Louis Scarsi


    [1] Audrey Azoulay was elected thanks to France’s lobbying, while the tradition is that a country is not both the host of an international institution and its president, and that this post has been promised to an Arab personality. It is as Director that she will publish a communiqué bearing the Unesco application: “UNESCO communiqué on the fire at Notre-Dame de Paris”, Voltaire Network, 16 April 2019.

    [2] Mission île de la Cité. Le cœur du cœur, Philippe Bélaval et Dominique Perrault, La Documentation française, 2016.

    [3] « Discours d’Emmanuel Macron sur la reconstruction de Notre-Dame de Paris », par Emmanuel Macron, Réseau Voltaire, 16 avril 2019.

    [4] «Projet de loi pour la restauration et la conservation de la cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris et instituant une souscription nationale à cet effet», Assemblée nationale, N° 1881, enregistré le 24 avril 2019.

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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

    Voltaire Network | 20 May 2019


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    The Ile de la Cité real estate renovation operation and its transformation into a tourist promenade began with the awarding of part of the Hôtel-Dieu to Novaxia, “philanthropist” Joachim Azan’s "transitory urbanism" group (photo).

    This mega-operation was imagined in 2016, at the request of President François Hollande and the Mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, by the director of historical monuments Philippe Bélaval and architect Dominique Perrault.

    It plans to take advantage of the renovation of the Tribunal de Paris, the Prefecture of Police and Hôtel-Dieu, in order to draw all the tourist potential of the Notre-Dame Cathedral and the Sainte-Chapelle.

    The cathedral fire constituted a "divine surprise" for the public authorities who will thus be able to carry out this project and commercially exploit the whole island. This, the Minister of the Interior, Christophe Castaner, summed up by declaring that Notre-Dame de Paris is "not a cathedral, it’s our common good".

    Rented for 144 million euros for 80 years, part of the Hotel-Dieu hospital will be transformed into housing, luxury shops and a gourmet restaurant. The hospital unions, observing the cuts to Parisian emergency services, are protesting against this choice.

    The public tendering process had started before the Notre-Dame Cathedral fire.

    Fast-tracked, an ad hoc law was voted in first reading by the National Assembly to manage the collection of donations for the restoration of the cathedral. It provides incidentally that the Government will be authorized, by government order, to make any and all derogations:
    1 ° "To the rules concerning town planning, environment, construction and heritage preservation, in particular with regard to the compliance of planning documents, the issuance of works and construction authorizations, modalities of public participation in decision-making and environmental assessment, as well as preventive archeology;

    2 ° Rules relating to public commissions, public lands, roads and transport. "
    The real estate project provides, for its part, the construction of a network of tunnels that will allow tourists to access the crypt of Notre Dame, but especially to relieve traffic on the island.

    The ultimate goal is to transform the island from an administrative city into one of the busiest tourist areas in Europe.


    Translation: Roger Lagassé
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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

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    Voltaire Network | 20 May 2019


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    The Ile de la Cité real estate renovation operation and its transformation into a tourist promenade began with the awarding of part of the Hôtel-Dieu to Novaxia, “philanthropist” Joachim Azan’s "transitory urbanism" group (photo).

    This mega-operation was imagined in 2016, at the request of President François Hollande and the Mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, by the director of historical monuments Philippe Bélaval and architect Dominique Perrault.

    It plans to take advantage of the renovation of the Tribunal de Paris, the Prefecture of Police and Hôtel-Dieu, in order to draw all the tourist potential of the Notre-Dame Cathedral and the Sainte-Chapelle.

    The cathedral fire constituted a "divine surprise" for the public authorities who will thus be able to carry out this project and commercially exploit the whole island. This, the Minister of the Interior, Christophe Castaner, summed up by declaring that Notre-Dame de Paris is "not a cathedral, it’s our common good".

    Rented for 144 million euros for 80 years, part of the Hotel-Dieu hospital will be transformed into housing, luxury shops and a gourmet restaurant. The hospital unions, observing the cuts to Parisian emergency services, are protesting against this choice.

    The public tendering process had started before the Notre-Dame Cathedral fire.

    Fast-tracked, an ad hoc law was voted in first reading by the National Assembly to manage the collection of donations for the restoration of the cathedral. It provides incidentally that the Government will be authorized, by government order, to make any and all derogations:
    1 ° "To the rules concerning town planning, environment, construction and heritage preservation, in particular with regard to the compliance of planning documents, the issuance of works and construction authorizations, modalities of public participation in decision-making and environmental assessment, as well as preventive archeology;

    2 ° Rules relating to public commissions, public lands, roads and transport. "
    The real estate project provides, for its part, the construction of a network of tunnels that will allow tourists to access the crypt of Notre Dame, but especially to relieve traffic on the island.

    The ultimate goal is to transform the island from an administrative city into one of the busiest tourist areas in Europe.


    Translation: Roger Lagassé
    We all understand by now that the Notre-Dame fire was not accidental, but well planned.

    When will we be able to get rid of all this corruption?? it is worldwide, and they are not ashamed anymore.

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    Joseph Farrell & C.A. Fitts discuss the meaning of the destruction of Notre Dame

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    Modernists Defeated: French Government Forces Traditional Rebuild of Notre Dame

    The French Senate has voted to reject the plans for rebuilding Notre Dame cathedral in Paris put forward by the French executive including President Emmanuel Macron who wanted an “inventive reconstruction”, mandating that the work must be traditional.

    The vote by the Senate may put to rest concerns over the fate of the globally renowned Notre Dame cathedral which was severely damaged by fire in April, which has been further threatened by suggestions the promised rebuild be led by a modernist architect. Now the cathedral and spire must resemble “the last known visual condition” before the fire, meaning a totally traditional rebuild.

    French President Emmanuel Macron made a number of pronouncements in the immediate aftermath of the fire, including that rebuilding would be completed within five years, and that the design would be “inventive” and a modern “contemporary architectural gesture”. French Prime Minister Édouard Philippe said the design was being opened to an international architectural competition.

    The suggestion was immediately met by a flurry of incongruous, contemporary designs by modernist design offices hoping to get the presumably lucrative contract.

    But in amending the law governing the rebuild on Monday, the Senate voted that the reborn cathedral should not only resemble Notre Dame as it was before the fire, but even that modern building materials replacing the traditional would have to be justified first, reports France24.

    The Senate also raised concerns about the five-year timescale called for by President Macron, which is seen by both members of the chamber and the traditional architecture profession as too short a time period to do a good job, and would lead to “cutting corners” to meet the deadline. The president of the Commission of Culture, Catherine Morin-Desailly spoke out against the five-year limit, saying the project would take as long as it takes, while another member remarked that “Presidential speeches do not make law”.

    The government had intended to exempt the Notre Dame rebuild from planning and heritage preservation laws to facilitate the modern changes, but the Senate also voted to remove those exemptions.

    Socialist member David Assouline also attacked President Macron’s presumption to control the future of the cathedral, saying in the debate: “This is a law to rebuild Notre-Dame-de-Paris, not Notre-Dame-de-l’Élysée”, a reference to the official home of the French president, the Élysée Palace.

    Comment has also been passed outside the debating chamber, including by Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo who spoke at the weekend when calling for an “identical” reconstruction.

    While admitting she was a fan of modern architecture, the Mayor said when it came to Notre Dame, tradition had to be respected, reports Le Figaro. She said: “Our Lady is a work that belongs to all Parisians, to all French people, to the whole world. We must respect it as such. I am therefore in favour of it being restored identically.”

    The law still has to be confirmed by the French lower house, who originated the law and to whom it will now be passed back with the amendments, meaning it is possible the Macron-loyal assembly may attempt to insist on rejecting the traditional preference.

    The architectural profession, which is generally fanatically modernist in outlook, has criticised the decision to see a much-loved icon rebuilt properly, rather than modernised. It may be that the vote by the French Senate is even in response to the surge of design proposals put forward in the wake of the fire.

    Among the ideas put forward by the highly self-regarding architectural profession were a variety of steel and plate-glass roofs to replace the original oak and lead which was destroyed on the night of April 15th, a shard-inspired crystal glazed spire, a swimming pool, and even a minaret to memorialise dead Algerians who fought France for independence in the 1960s.

    Britain’s Architect’s Journal carries criticisms of the new traditional plan, including the denouncement of “nostalgia”, the claim that the decision is a “terrible loss to the democracy of design”, and a “missed opportunity”. The Journal also reported the remarks of architect Francis Maude, who laments the decision by the Senate as implying France believes there is not anyone presently practising architecture who has the talent to make a design to match the original. This, he said, is a “pity”.

    Link: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...of-notre-dame/
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