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    No discussion being asked for, just how I feel about this event.
    Yes. But go easy. There will be Catholics (and lovers of Renaissance Architecture) reading this now. Do please respect them.

    I'm neither: but I've been there, and it's an awesome human feat of design and engineering.

    Remember that many other great works, in almost every continent, have been lost forever because of someone's strong feeling about religion.

    Whatever that strong feeling is, it's often destructive.

    Your thoughts have validity, of course. But if you state them too forcefully, at the wrong time when people can't hear them, then you're likely to just create enemies and bad feeling. Then no-one wins.

    Wait a week, I'd suggest. Then maybe we can discuss with more equanimity, and a broader view, what may have been lost.

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cath...ton,_Kentucky)Bill is absolutely correct- imagine that Petra or Stonehenge were destroyed. Its not necessarily about religion, but history and culture. Most people join religious sects for the social aspects, not necessarily the religious dogma.

    Not too far from where I am located (about an hour) is a minor replica of Notre Dame- its design was inspired by the French Cathedral. It is named Saint Mary’s Cathedral Bassilica of Assumption. I took a tour there as child. Quite beautiful with a lot of occult architecture ( hidden spiral staircases and lookouts). I was not reared Roman Catholic- this was a school trip. I was the unwitting member of the Anglican Church down the road from this Basillica.

    The loss of the history of Notre Dame is heartbreaking. All that stained glass alone being lost is an artistic holocaust. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=holocaust+...&ia=definition (first definition applies)

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    I don't need to say more on that aspect, Bill.

    To change direction to what I think is going to be more significant sooner is that I think this event is something as psychologically impactful to the French as 9-11 was to Americans and just as deeply symbolic.

    I agree with the strong suspicion that something like this is no longer ever an accident in our world of 9-11's.

    All the gargoyles happened to have been removed during remodeling going on.... couldn't have done it without the massive scaffolding.
    The question is, what from inside was already removed?

    It's just the Day One of questions I suspect.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzW255065XQ Angels & Demons (10/10) Movie CLIP - Science and Faith (2009) HD Religion is flawed , Man is flawed . I was raised a catholic , I use to go to church every weekend as a boy. Timelines of good vs evil vs todays views and views 500 years ago evolve as civilizations , cultures and yes religions evolve and thats ok, thats who we are, that makes us -US. I'm not a strict catholic if you will, but walking into ANY dwelling of worship of any faith is a special place of peace. For me it is a time of solitude and a time for a one on one communication with our creator. There is a certain peacefulness in these dwellings all across this world, some simple and plain and some majestic and grand. As with a baseball stadium my focus is on the game when I am there , but in a Cathedral like Notre Dame even from 20 years ago I still remember the feeling of peace and being overwhelmed how grand it was inside. Watching this burn was as painful as watching ISIS blow up those carvings on the side of the mountains, it is part of our history on a worldwide scale that was being lost. It is a tool to teach our future and a place to honor the past in whatever form or capacity. And without it there is no discussion or lessons to be learned.

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    I visited Notre Dame with my brand new wife on our honeymoon 41 years ago. I can still picture the sight that rose above us as we stood in front of the main door with those two amazing towers reaching skyward above us; a fantastic sight and memory; one that I am thankful for and one that I will cherish. What a loss to artisan skill and effort.

    While listening to the live media commentary of the blaze here in Scotland and taking note of the remark that the Catholic Church had - for quite a few years - found that it had to resort to pleading for public and private donations, due to the Cathedral itself requiring urgent structural repairs, I couldn't help but think that the French Government must shoulder some responsibility here ... after all, it is probably the second most famous architectural landmark in France, which to my mind, without question, should qualify it to receive public funds for the purpose of addressing ongoing maintenance costs.



    Taking a step back to view this event on a more macro level, the concept of Chaos Theory comes to mind (second law of thermodynamics) ... entropy: everything tends towards disorder ... this is relevant to any area of our lives and our environment that one cares to consider. Change is inevitable; nothing lasts forever.



    I think also about those shocked and stunned Parisians as they stood this evening in silence to witness the destruction of this wonderful emblem from French history and heritage.



    Too bad.
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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

    Joseph Ferrel posted about this on his blog today, he also mentioned 12 other churches have been torched recently and included a link. This is a devastating loss along with the damage to the other churches, brings tears to my eyes just thinking of it.


    APRIL 15, 2019

    NOTRE DAME AND ST SULPICE FIRES

    I woke up today(Monday) fully intending to blog about something else, but a friend had sent me a message on Facebook about the spire of Notre Dame de Paris collapsing because of a fire. Stunned, I did a quick search and saw a picture, and sure enough, the cathedral was on fire, the roof gone, the spire gone. What will remain, essentially, is the shell of a building, if that.

    In one day, a cathedral that has been the landmark in Paris for over 850 years, is gone, and I lack the words to express what I am feeling, and I suspect that pales to what the French and Parisians are feeling. In its way, Notre Dame, situated as it is - or was - on its island in the Seine, was a kind of icon of the whole idea of the Ile-de-France, the "island of France," the political and cultural heart of the nation.

    Just a few days ago, there was another fire in another famous Parisian church, St. Sulpice de Paris, though this did not, so far as I know, destroy that church, famous for being the home of the largest Cavaille-Coll church organ in France, and the instrument that Charles-Marie Widor presided at for over sixty years. Apparently, everything in Notre Dame is destroyed - the art, the fixtures, its own Cavaille-Coll organ... everything. It is doubly sad because this fire broke out and destroyed the landmark cathedral at the start of Holy Week in the western churches.

    According to some reports as I write this, they were able to rescue some of the relics, art work, and the reserved sacrament. Everything else is gone.

    Notre Dame is iconic, as iconic as the churches and cathedrals of Chartres, Reims, or Cologne.

    The earliest reports about the fire indicate that it was started by accident, due to renovation work that was being done, but it is unclear exactly how. The same was said of the fire just a few days ago that broke out in St. Sulpice. As I write, the Paris prosecutor has promised an investigation, which, of course, is normal under such circumstances, but it does raise questions, and if there is foul play involved, I suspect that we'll never know the whole story. But there is a story here, and it's this:

    Twelve French Churches Attacked, Vandalized in One Week

    The symbolism, and timing, are what most compel about the images of the burning cathedral; in a way, I cannot help think of it as an icon of what is happening to Europe, and the West in general, as the leadership of the West, and many people, not only are intent upon turning their backs upon one of the things that made western civilization what it is, but actually destroying it altogether. Like many I cannot help but entertain the suspicion that if one wanted to strike a symbolic blow not just against France, but western civilization itself, one could not choose a more appropriate structure than Notre Dame. But deliberate or accident, the symbolism remains, and as saddened as I am about it, and as saddened as no doubt many people in France and around the world are about it, one can rest assured that there are some who, in the black void of their hearts, are rejoicing.

    For many years I've been saying "own the culture," and if there is a message in this event, it's perhaps as simple as "use it, or lose it," guard your traditions, or watch them be consumed. What will rise from the ashes of Notre Dame? Will it be another cathedral, done in reverence to that tradition that built it in the first place? Or will it be some modernist monstrosity of a monument with a bronze plaque commemorating a "world historical site" and the vapid and empty cliches that always accompany such things.

    Time will tell of course, but if there is anything to take away from this, I suspect it is this: we have been warned.

    Tomorrow (Tuesday), there will be no blog. It would seem inappropriate as the churches of France are being vandalized in the most barbarous fashion, by people who, as I say, have empty, black hearts.

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    Just saying....



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    A ritual as I mentioned. Davic Icke seems to agree. Events like this, which tend to traumatize and affect emotionally most of humanity, are a classic way to produce shock and sadness in order for certain entities to feed off the energy. All we need to do is disidentify from it.


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    This is the awe and the pain.

    And they kept singing for hours....



    The building still stands.
    There were worries the fire would weaken the supports holding the massive bell (called Emmanuel) which would end with it crashing down and creating permanent damage, but that proved resilient.

    https://news784.com/world/structure-...-massive-fire/

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    The famous author Victor Hugo used the building as a personification of France itself in his 1831 novel Notre-Dame de Paris.
    The book’s name is often translated as “The Hunchback of Notre Dame”.
    However, the hunchbacked bell ringer, Quasimodo, is not the main character. The central figure is Notre-Dame.

    As Hugo stated

    But noble as it has remained while growing old, one cannot but regret, cannot but feel indignant at the innumerable degradations and mutilations inflicted on the venerable pile, both by the action of time and the hand of man, regardless alike of Charlemagne, who laid the first stone, and Philip Augustus, who laid the last.
    On the face of this ancient queen of our cathedrals, beside each wrinkle one invariably finds a scar. 'Tempus edax, homo edacior,' which I would be inclined to translate: 'Time is blind, but man is senseless.'”


    The book was a success, and it led to a major restoration overseen by architects Jean-Baptiste-Antoine Lassus and Eugène Viollet-le-Duc (1843).

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    Interesting to know is: There was a “forest” in it’s roof.

    The cathedral contained one of the oldest surviving wood-timber frames in Paris. Around 52 acres of trees were cut down in the 12th century. Each beam was made from an individual tree.
    For this reason, the lattice of historic woodwork was nicknamed "the Forest."

    It has now been destroyed by the fire.
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    There was another major disaster, on the same day, 107 years ago.
    In the morning of April 15th 1912 the Titanic sank.

    And to show the size of the ship, here below a link to a picture (from "Le petit journal", April 17th 2012) comparing the Titanic with the Notre-Dame in Paris.

    https://www.google.be/search?biw=192...boRVkXSdNgY5M:

    Also, the Notre-Dame is on an island ('Île de la Cité') in Paris.
    The Titanic was also built on an island, Queen's Island in Belfast.

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    Razing Notre Dame during Holy Week has broader meaning to French minorities. My Take
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    On that very same day as the Notre Dame Cathedral fire:

    Hmmm... Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem catches fire at the same time as Notre Dame cathedral

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    Tue, 16 Apr 2019 10:13 UTC



    The blaze didn’t cause significant damage, but it did endanger a part of the worship site that’s over 2,000 years old.

    As the iconic cathedral of Notre Dame burned in Paris, a fire broke out at Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem

    A fire broke out at the roof of a structure known as Al Marwani prayer room in Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem.

    The blaze didn't cause significant damage, but it did endanger a part of the worship site that's over 2,000 years old.

    The Palestine News Agency cited a guard as saying Monday that "the fire broke out in the guard's room outside the roof of the Marwani Prayer Room, and the fire brigade of Jerusalem Islamic Waqf handled the matter successfully."

    The fire brigade of the Jerusalem Islamic Waqf department managed to control the blaze, while the area is currently closed to examine the cause of the fire.

    Al Marwani prayer room is located underneath the southeastern corner of Haram Al Sharif, which contains both the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque.


    The prayer room is an underground vaulted space used as a Muslim prayer hall, some 600 square yards in area, at the bottom of stairs which lead down from Al Aqsa Mosque.

    Shaikh Azzam Al Khatib, director general of the Jerusalem Waqf and Al Aqsa Mosque Affairs Department, told Jordan's Al Mamlaka TV that the fire broke out in the courtyard and investigations are under way.

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    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    I don't like any artful remnant of human history destroyed, but I couldn't help hoping that in the future this fire would be seen as the first big ruination by flames of a grand symbol of the historically pedophilic, murderous and grossly hypocritical farce of Catholicism.
    What about the historically paedophilic, murderous and grossly hypocritical farce of the demonic religion that did this? No matter what you say about the Christian religion, it's founder is a force for good and an all around good guy. Compare him to the demented mass murdering paedophiles and robbers that founded other religions.

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    Anyone else see Pet Goat II and see Jesus with fire in his eyes while this building collapsed to his side?

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    Arson Finding Could Spark Backlash Against Muslims

    by Brabantian (henrymakow.com)
    April 15, 2019


    (attack on iconic national symbol, France's 9-11?)

    875 French Churches were vandalized in 2018.

    The Notre Dame Cathedral fire Monday was the most recent blow.

    If this proves to be the work of "radicalized Muslims," (aka Mossad) it may ignite a conflagration between Christians and Muslims.

    This is right out of the Mossad playbook
    They even got a patsy in Muslim dress!

    by Brabantian
    (henrymakow.com)

    The spectacular fire of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris will never be forgotten by the French seeing the dramatic news films ... just as Americans will never forget the day the New York towers fell on 9-11.

    Whatever the real truth - accident or arson - as to what started the fire, there are major emotion-driving factors at work here, risking a '9-11' level of the social conflagration:
    - There have been many, many attacks on European and especially French churches over the last few years, literally hundreds, which, not too long ago, media stories would sometimes suggest 'might be inspired by ISIS (Islamic State)', i.e., Muslims.

    - The burning of Notre Dame, is exactly one month after the 15 March 2019 'Christchurch New Zealand mosque massacre' ... and in France which is approximately 10% (or slightly more) Muslim, it is quite possible, that one or more of the many renovation workers who were in Notre Dame before the fire, were Muslim.

    - Discussion of deteriorating societal relations in France has been increasing, as for example in the remarks by Emmanuel Macron's former Interior Minister, Gérard Collomb, after he resigned from office, suggesting that France could in a few years be in a sectarian civil war type of situation. Collomb said:
    "Relationships between people are very hard, people don't want to live together ... Communities in France are fighting each other more and more and it's becoming very violent ... Yes, we have five, six years to avoid the worst."
    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/an...e-ex-minister/
    Before the events at Notre Dame, there have been news stories of literally hundreds of attacks on churches in France over the past several years - attacks which have been escalating in number recently:
    "France sees 10 Catholic churches attacked in ONE week" in February 2019
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-phillipe-isis

    "Figures show 875 churches in France were vandalised last year" (2018)
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/880406...tian-heritage/

    "Since the beginning of 2019, France has seen a torrent of attacks which have included arson, vandalism, and desecration of a number of its historic Catholic churches ... igniting fears of a rise in widespread anti-Catholic sentiment across the country."
    https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/03/20...ughout-france/

    (This tweet was quickly deleted. Also, precious artefacts were removed last week. This suggests this was a false flag like 9-11.)

    In the past, media stories about such vandalism would sometimes speculate that the attacks might be the work of radicalized Muslims, somewhat parallel to the way churches are often attacked in Egypt, which is about 10% Christian.

    In the above recent news stories, though, a different suggestion is now made - that the attacks on French churches may be the work of "neo-feminist and left-wing anarchist groups ... radical secularists or anti-religious groups" ... this is, however, unlikely to be the only speculation of the common European in the café or on the street.

    And indeed what is of concern now, is first, what the common person is thinking and talking about with close friends regarding this incident, given the background of church attacks, and tense societal relations in France ... regardless of official assurances that the church fire was an 'accident' ... a conclusion perhaps a little too quickly distributed to the media, given that the fire was still raging, preventing investigators from getting a good look inside the church shell.

    And secondly, we now have a situation where, if the authorities were to later 'discover through investigation', that the fire was started in an act of sectarian revenge ... we have truly frightening social consequences in Europe ... the potential for a sectarian-ethnic conflict that may arrive much sooner, than even the former French Minister Mr Collomb had feared.

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    Related:
    Slow fireman reaction time questioned

    Note:
    Earlier Monday,
    "one of three women allegedly involved in a foiled plot in 2016 to blow up a car packed with gas canisters near the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris, was sentenced to eight years in prison by a French court for earlier offences. Ines Madani, 22, was sentenced following a three-day trial during which she was accused of encouraging would-be jihadists to go to Syria and participate in attacks against France."
    https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jai...90216-Apr2019/

    'Isis plot to blow up Notre Dame in Paris', propane gas canisters in Peugeot parked outside on 4 September 2016
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/an-isi...rule-the-world
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    Excellent article about the 2018 and 2019 attacks on Christian churches.

    Too much cohencidences to be a simple accidental fire: 2 hours before the declaration of Macron, just before Easter, continuing YV crisis, European elections on May ...


    (not everyone was distraught)

    It's our national 9/11 and the false flag to exit the current crisis. It's like the London fire of London on 1666. It's a deliberate attack by the NWO to provoke chaos.

    Nevertheless, on that case, I do not suspect ISIS puppets but Mossad agents because of the complexity of the target and the fact that we are on Easter week with thousands of pilgrims inside the edifice all along the day.

    The fire started on the back side and in the attics of the cathedral which was under current renovation.

    I suspect the job [could have] be[en] done by special agents with an AI drone (with incendiary apparatus ) directly managed from a van standing on the road near the archevêché square (on green on the map/left back). See the attached file.

    Only five minutes for them to reach the LDJ/headquarter of the Mossad (Rue des Rosiers) which is just in front of Notre-Dame by crossing the 'Ile de la Cité' and the 'Seine'

    We will have a beginning of answer if we get an 'accurate' firemen's report. They will be under huge pressure.

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    It is the timing of this "holocaust" which leads to strong suspicions the event is not quite natural or accidental...

    The two week Beltane “Fire” Festival kicks off with the Notre-Dame Cathedral and Nostradamus predicted it all!
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    My sentiments exactly......👍

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    Dutchsinse just posted on his fb page that a fire in the crypt of St John Cathedral in NYC started on Palm Sunday.
    His link doesn’t work in UK, try https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...apa-story.html.

    On Monday he posted this link related to ‘cathedral tech’ which puzzled me
    Then his post disappeared. There seems to be some correlation, but can’t refer as some links now gone.
    It seems to me an attack on Christianity, perhaps a key date - numerologist?
    All very sad and totally unnecessary.
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    I don't need to say more on that aspect, Bill.

    To change direction to what I think is going to be more significant sooner is that I think this event is something as psychologically impactful to the French as 9-11 was to Americans and just as deeply symbolic.

    I agree with the strong suspicion that something like this is no longer ever an accident in our world of 9-11's.

    All the gargoyles happened to have been removed during remodeling going on.... couldn't have done it without the massive scaffolding.
    The question is, what from inside was already removed?

    It's just the Day One of questions I suspect.
    Do you know about the "Talking Gargoyle" at Denver International Airport?

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    Cathedrals have been built on sacred places were cults to the earth were done much time before they arrived there. Cathedrals help to sustain the matrix. Many sacrificial rituals have been going on there, besides it can be rebuilded. Most art master pieces had been removed 4 day before the fire. TO me is more important and tragic any wild fire, with all my respect to art .
    Nothing random here...let´s see were this takes us.
    BTW a MOsque in Telaviv burned at the same time.
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