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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

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    At the 10:52 mark, this report refers to a Rolling Stone article in which they feel liberated. That Rolling Stone article is How Should France Rebuild Notre Dame? Much of the structure survived the blaze — but as rebuilding efforts move forward, the country will be left with a big question: What does the cathedral mean to 21st-century France?.

    Here's the liberation quote from that Rolling Stone article:
    Quote But for some people in France, Notre Dame has also served as a deep-seated symbol of resentment, a monument to a deeply flawed institution and an idealized Christian European France that arguably never existed in the first place. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.


    Where have we seen this kind of forced cultural "liberation" before?


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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

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    [...]... Benjamin Mouton, who served as Chief Architect of Historic Monuments in France until 2013, that this fire could not have started without an accelerant, and that it was not an accident due to the construction work.


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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

    I find that this woman's explanation tying the nature of the Notre Dame fire to other recent major strange fires interesting:

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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

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    By "sheer coincidence," Michelle Obama was cruising down the Seine while Notre Dame was burning.

    Quote Michelle Obama Dinner Cruise Vibes Turn to Concern During Notre Dame Inferno



    Michelle Obama was living the good life -- sipping wine on a dinner cruise in Paris -- when the Notre Dame Cathedral fire totally changed the mood ... and the course of the cruise.

    The former First Lady was smiling as she boarded the Ducasse sur Seine Monday night -- just across from the Eiffel Tower -- for a dinner cruise experience along the Seine River with famous chef Alain Ducasse and others.

    Michelle looked fit for a fancy, fun night on the luxury ship ... but things took a turn for the worse when word got around Notre Dame was going up in flames. As you can see in the pics ... everybody's happy faces turn concerned for the famed cathedral and the people of Paris.
    https://www.tmz.com/2019/04/16/miche...tre-dame-fire/


    There's already some wealthy French aristocrat calling for Notre Dame to be rebuilt as a "multicultural" monument to a "new France."

    This was truly an act of war, except only one side is fighting this war, openly destroying Western civilization while everyone else just sits around making faces and talking about how they feel. I'm not even French and it hurts me.
    Notice the necklace???? it say "Burning"... there´s also a photograph of her drinking and in the reflection of the glass you can see "their-Damme" "Burning"

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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

    With such a high temperature within the building it seems odd that the candles are still in place like there was no heat at all!

    Even if they are artificial made from plastic there should be a change in form due to the heat. It seems they look still brand new.





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    The reason why the candles didn't melt or weakened:

    From Jim stone, April 20-21 2019:

    CONFIRMED: Notre Dame was virtually unhurt by the fire, and any claims that it has to be "rebuilt" are hoaxes with a motive

    The hoax of Notre Dame:

    This hoax involved burning a wooden facade [external] "roof" that probably kept water off a secondary [internal] roof and prevented freezing problems with the second roof, and NOTHING MORE.

    Unlike what you have been told by the scamming MSM, the cathedral would never have collapsed because the actual support for the cathedral [structure] was provided by the side arches, and the arches of an interior brick and concrete roof three feet thick.

    This secondary interior roof [the cathedral's vaulted "ceiling"] prevented damage to the inside of the cathedral, except where the spire (questionably, it likely had help) "fell through" it.

    The hoax about the cathedral being "destroyed" is now confirmed. Let's get this party started.

    Here is how the wooden roof was attached. You can clearly see the concrete dome roof under it was supporting it, and now has less weight to hold with it gone and it would actually be less likely to collapse now provided the heat of the fire did not significantly damage it:


    [the "forest" of oak beams supporting the tin/lead roof]

    Here is a picture of that burned wooden roof laying on top of the concrete and brick roof under it. Notre Dame was built a LOT better than anything the Romans ever did. With the Roman stuff, once the wooden roof was gone, all that remained was pillars. Clearly here, the real roof consisted of a series of concrete and brick domes.

    Here's why the cathedral was, except for where the spire fell through, unscathed:


    [the "oven"]

    When you consider the scale of the above picture, the concrete and brick were at least three feet thick on the interior roof. There's no way this cathedral got significantly hurt, to the tune of a billion dollars.

    Let's take a look at the inside after the fire



    Clearly, from the aftermath photo of the interior, they could turn the lights back on if they wanted to. The concrete roof held up so well for so long that there's not even significant smoke damage.

    Conclusion:
    The cathedral is not destroyed, and any stories about how it got devastated are only cover for bilking cash for pork barrel projects and excuses to delay, delay, AND DELAY re-opening it. The cash is there to fix this PRONTO. If the desire is there to fix it (by the people in control), it ought to be open before the end of August with money obviously being no object.

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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

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    [/FONT] Conclusion:
    The cathedral is not destroyed, and any stories about how it got devastated are only cover for bilking cash for pork barrel projects and excuses to delay, delay, AND DELAY re-opening it. The cash is there to fix this PRONTO. If the desire is there to fix it (by the people in control), it ought to be open before the end of August with money obviously being no object.

    And another view of the Notre Dame Catherdral from above.



    With regard to the above article it seem obvious the Catherdral roof was not structural but more so a protective covering against the elements and so it seems Notre Dame Cathedral has suffered minimal damage, thankfully.

    So what will they do with an expected 845 million euros, about $950 million in donations for the repairs, when the repair may fall far short of these donations.

    Maybe, the tptw are hurting financially and maybe this was one of the facets to this false flag, that is to access legitimate money via illegal means. It would not be a surprise would it.

    Related article, below.

    Millions in Notre-Dame Donations Pour In as France Focuses on Rebuilding

    Quote:
    "Individuals, companies and institutions have so far donated or pledged 845 million euros, about $950 million, to rebuild the damaged cathedral, which has stood for more than eight centuries. On Tuesday, the government set up an online portal pointing to four official organizations and foundations that are collecting donations."

    Link to online portals: https://www.gouvernement.fr/rebatirnotredame

    Link to Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/w...dame-fire.html
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    A few pages back, I wrote:

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    ...
    [...]
    ... which makes me really wonder about the underlying reality beneath the fire at "Our Lady" of Paris? Definitely a signal; but by whom to whom?
    Well:
    Around 160 killed, hundreds injured in 6 blasts at Sri Lankan hotels and churches on Easter Sunday

    Sri Lankan police chief warned about possible bombings 10 days before Easter attacks

    Russia’s largest yeshiva attacked with arson and swastikas ahead of Passover

    The Blaze of Hate
    Israel Shamir • April 19, 2019



    The Rabbis do not regret the Paris disaster. “It’s Divine punishment for burning the Talmud,” divines a prominent Jewish divine, the Bethel Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, about the Notre Dame fire. In 1242 the French investigated the Talmud, established that the codex contains volumes of hate speech, and finally burned 1200 codices in the square of the freshly-built Notre Dame Cathedral. “The time for punishment is here,” the Rabbi intones dramatically....
    ... so, there we go... accelerant sprayed all over the place so that Albert Pike's WW III can ignite in all its horror.
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    Isn't it funny how "divine" retribution is always perpetrated by actual human beings? How is that "divine"?
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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
    There's already some wealthy French aristocrat calling for Notre Dame to be rebuilt as a "multicultural" monument to a "new France."

    This was truly an act of war, except only one side is fighting this war, openly destroying Western civilization while everyone else just sits around making faces and talking about how they feel. I'm not even French and it hurts me.
    Yes, that was my first thought. It's another coup in the war against human civilization. A victory for those who want us to live in Little Boxes and stay quiet while contributing our small part of the Matrix code.
    There's no time like the present.

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    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    No discussion being asked for, just how I feel about this event.
    For sure, you can say whatever I want. I have multiple reasons for questioning the accuracy of your statements, but perhaps we can have the discussion at another time and place.
    There's no time like the present.

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    Quote Posted by chris_walker (here)
    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    I don't like any artful remnant of human history destroyed, but I couldn't help hoping that in the future this fire would be seen as the first big ruination by flames of a grand symbol of the historically pedophilic, murderous and grossly hypocritical farce of Catholicism.
    What about the historically paedophilic, murderous and grossly hypocritical farce of the demonic religion that did this? No matter what you say about the Christian religion, it's founder is a force for good and an all around good guy. Compare him to the demented mass murdering paedophiles and robbers that founded other religions.
    Yes, the Catholic Church was systematically infiltrated, with the last wave of infiltration coming out of the Cold War. I don't identify it with the infiltrators; I identify it with the founder.
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    Robert Morningstar says Leo Zagami, in 2005, said Notre Dame would be burned and replaced with a mosque. He also examined footage and said he thought it was arson. I couldn't find that prediction, but here is what Zagami says about the fire on his website:

    https://leozagami.com/2019/04/17/hau...night-templar/

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    I'm not sure if this has been discussed but I find this article ( or rather the picture ) really odd !

    https://www.wabe.org/how-notre-dame-...isian-history/

    It says that the statues were all saved because they had previously been removed for the restoration work - so why are they all beheaded ??



    It appears that they "beheaded" them to make them easier to remove !!!!

    Does that explanation make sense to anyone ??

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/le-sp...ation-20190412
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    It says that the statues were all saved because they had previously been removed for the restoration work - so why are they all beheaded ??
    It appears that they "beheaded" them to make them easier to remove !!!!
    Does that explanation make sense to anyone ??
    Makes no sense to me.

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    That's why:

    A least damaging engineer's solution to a transport problem.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcFJxEnzdL0

    These bronze statues are hollow and the heads are an element that can be separated as you can see in this film. The statues were removed only 5 days before the fire and the bronze would have been consumed. It is unacceptable that the authorities and newsmedia prefer to call this an accident and do not insist on a full investigation including all possible causes of this fire .

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    A different frame of reference from MintPress.

    There are several pictures that are huge and many links on the website.

    Notre Dame of Gaza

    As the 300-foot spire of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris tragically came tumbling down on live television, my thoughts ventured to Nuseirat Refugee Camp, my childhood home in the Gaza Strip.

    Then, also on television, I watched as a small bulldozer hopelessly clawed through the rubble of my neighborhood mosque. I grew up around that mosque. I spent many hours there with my grandfather, Mohammed, a refugee from historic Palestine. Before grandpa became a refugee, he was a young Imam in a small mosque in his long-destroyed village of Beit Daras.

    Mohammed and many in his generation took solace in erecting their own mosque in the refugee camp as soon as they arrived to the Gaza Strip in late 1948. The new mosque was first made of hardened mud, but was eventually remade with bricks, and later concrete. He spent much of his time there, and when he died, his old, frail body was taken to the same mosque for a final prayer, before being buried in the adjacent Martyrs Graveyard. When I was still a child, he used to hold my hand as we walked together to the mosque during prayer times. When he aged, and could barely walk, I, in turn, held his hand.

    But Al-Masjid al-Kabir – the Great Mosque, later renamed Al-Qassam Mosque – was completely pulverized by Israeli missiles during the summer war on Gaza, starting July 8, 2014.

    Hundreds of Palestinian houses of worship were targeted by the Israeli military in previous wars, most notably in 2008-9 and 2012. But the 2014 war was the most brutal and most destructive yet. Thousands were killed and more injured. Nothing was immune to Israeli bombs. According to Palestine Liberation Organization records, 63 mosques were completely destroyed and 150 damaged in that war alone, oftentimes with people seeking shelter inside. In the case of my mosque, two bodies were recovered after a long, agonizing search. They had no chance of being rescued. If they survived the deadly explosives, they were crushed by the massive slabs of concrete.

    In truth, concrete, cements, bricks and physical structures don’t carry much meaning on their own. We give them meaning. Our collective experiences, our pains, joys, hopes and faith make a house of worship what it is.

    Many generations of French Catholics have assigned the Notre Dame Cathedral with its layered meanings and symbolism since the 12th century.

    While the fire consumed the oak roof and much of the structure, French citizens and many around the world watched in awe. It is as if the memories, prayers and hopes of a nation that is rooted in time were suddenly revealed, rising, all at once, with the pillars of smoke and fire.

    But the very media that covered the news of the Notre Dame fire seemed oblivious to the obliteration of everything we hold sacred in Palestine as, day after day, Israeli war machinery continues to blow up, bulldoze and desecrate.

    It is as if our religions are not worthy of respect, despite the fact that Christianity was born in Palestine. It was there that Jesus roamed the hills and valleys of our historic homeland teaching people about peace, love and justice. Palestine is also central to Islam. Haram al-Sharif, where al-Aqsa Mosque and The Dome of the Rock are kept, is the third holiest site for Muslims everywhere. Yet Christian and Muslim holy sites are besieged, often raided and shut down per military diktats. Moreover, the Israeli army-protected messianic Jewish extremists want to demolish Al-Aqsa and the Israeli government has been digging underneath its foundation for many years.

    Although none of this is done in secret; international outrage remains muted. In fact, many find Israel’s actions justified. Some have bought into the ridiculous explanation offered by the Israeli military that bombing mosques is a necessary security measure. Others are motivated by dark religious prophecies of their own.

    Palestine, though, is only a microcosm of the whole region. Many of us are familiar with the horrific destruction carried out by fringe militant groups against world cultural heritage in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Most memorable among these are the destruction of Palmyra in Syria, Buddhas of Bamyan in Afghanistan and the Great Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul.

    Nothing, however, can possibly be compared to what the invading US army has done to Iraq. Not only did the invaders desecrate a sovereign country and brutalize her people, they also devastated her culture that goes back to the start of human civilization. Just the immediate aftermath of the invasion alone resulted in the looting of over 15,000 Iraqi antiquities, including the Lady of Warka, also known as the Mona Lisa of Mesopotamia, a Sumerian artifact whose history goes back to 3100 BC.

    I had the privilege of seeing many of these artifacts in a visit to the Iraq Museum only a few years before it was looted by US soldiers. At the time, Iraqi curators had all precious pieces hidden in a fortified basement in anticipation of a US bombing campaign. But nothing could prepare the museum for the savagery unleashed by the ground invasion.

    Since then, Iraqi culture has largely been reduced to items on the black market of the very western invaders that have torn that country apart. The valiant work of Iraqi cultural warriors and their colleagues around the world has managed to restore some of that stolen dignity, but it will take many years for the cradle of human civilization to redeem its vanquished honor.

    Every mosque, every church, every graveyard, every piece of art and every artifact is significant because it is laden with meaning, the meaning bestowed on them by those who have built or sought in them an escape, a moment of solace, hope, faith and peace.

    On August 2, 2014, the Israeli army bombed the historic Al-Omari Mosque in northern Gaza. The ancient mosque dates back to the 7th century and has since served as a symbol of resilience and faith for the people of Gaza.

    As Notre Dame burned, I thought of Al-Omari too. While the fire at the French cathedral was likely accidental, destroyed Palestinian houses of worship were intentionally targeted. The Israeli culprits are yet to be held accountable.

    I also thought of my grandfather, Mohammed, the kindly Imam with the handsome, small white beard. His mosque served as his only escape from a difficult existence, an exile that only ended with his own death.

    Feature photo | Palestinian boys look at the rubble of al-Qassam mosque, hit by an Israeli airstrike, as they stand in the bedroom of their destroyed family home in Nusseirat refugee camp in the central Gaza Strip on Aug. 10, 2014. Adel Hana | AP

    Ramzy Baroud is a journalist, author and editor of Palestine Chronicle. His last book is ‘The Last Earth: A Palestinian Story’ (Pluto Press, London). Baroud has a Ph.D. in Palestine Studies from the University of Exeter and was a Non-Resident Scholar at Orfalea Center for Global and International Studies, University of California Santa Barbara. His website is www.ramzybaroud.net.

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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

    Yes, latte. What's it all for? Anti-life versus life.
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    Default Re: Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

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    A different frame of reference from MintPress.

    Notre Dame of Gaza

    As the 300-foot spire of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris tragically came tumbling down on live television, my thoughts ventured to Nuseirat Refugee Camp, my childhood home in the Gaza Strip.

    In fact a completely different topic only made relevant to this thread by the fact the Notre Dame Cathedral was mentioned several times. Is their any relevance to this thread Latte?
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