16th February 2012 14:36
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Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet
I have been having a PM exchange on ancient civilizations and their relevance to my work. Were there ancient civilizations that had advanced energy technology? Are some of their technological feats unrecognized today because scientists cannot wrap their heads around the energy technologies and resultant artifacts? Some of that may be the case. Is there anything that we can learn from studying those ancient civilizations that can make our situation today more comprehensible?
Around megalithic structures, there is a lot of, “How did they do it?” The denial of mainstream science on the energy issue may help fuel their skepticism about ancient civilizations, but it is not all misplaced skepticism. Virtually all the ancient artifacts that I know of have been made of stone. I doubt that they could have been too advanced, particularly on the energy issue, if they could not smelt metal.
I have read up plenty on disappeared ancient civilizations, and have had people close to me tell tales of archeological discoveries being covered up. I write about a defrocked archeologist on my site:
and cite works such as Forbidden Archeology on my site and a few other fringe sources like that. I have plenty of Childress books at home, and channeled and past-life regression books on stuff like Atlantis. My first love was archeology, and I helped scout for a dig when I was about twelve. I had a fossil collection from what I found as a kid, and so on. I have been on the fringes of the Velikovsky controversy since about 1996.
One pal is convinced that some Mesoamerican pyramids have evidence of being configured and built for energy reasons (mica sheets are his primary evidence), but my reply is if there was all of that energy somehow generated by means that we would consider esoteric (I have been familiar with pyramid power for nearly forty years, and I know there is something real there), what did they use it for? Surely not to run appliances. If all that energy was generated, what was it used for? There are plenty of fringe theories on that score, too, but the evidence is thin.
I also have been reading a great deal of anthropology in boning up for my energy essay.
This is where I stand on the issue….
I respect the people who have sifted through ancient middens, braved Arctic and Outback weather in search of fossil layers, and so on. There is a great deal of important work that has been done, and it has helped inform and enlighten me on many issues related to the history of Earth and humanity. Their toolset is impressive and keeps getting better, such as gas chromatographs and mass spectrometers. There is fraud and cover-ups, fabricated findings, internecine wars and the rest, which you can find in any discipline, in this world of scarcity, I am sad to say.
However, professional anthropology compared to fringe anthropology can be like comparing a Ferrari to a skateboard. Most fringe findings do not hold up to scrutiny. I am not saying that orthodoxy is always right or even on the right track, but the fringe findings are often so flimsy that they cannot withstand much scrutiny. Studying the fringe findings usually arrive at a big fat “maybe” of a conclusion, at best.
You have seen me refer to it plenty, but Rife’s and Naessens’s microscopes demonstrate very clearly that not only is orthodox optical theory found wanting, but the findings of those microscopes upend a lot of what microbiology (and orthodox theories of life itself) is based on:
Have one remote viewing after taking the Silva class, and the materialistic conceits of mainstream science collapse, never to be rehabilitated.
My technical pals who saw that UFO light up with me were never the same:
I am reading a book right now on how much of a political undertaking Darwin’s efforts were. It was a highly conscious attempt to replace theism with materialism, but it was performed rather sneakily.
So, not all is well in the halls of orthodoxy and never has been, but that does not lend much credibility to the fringes, either.
And this is where is can get tricky, and I write about it plenty:
My interest in all of that orthodox and fringe anthropology is in how important it is in understanding our past to the extent that it can help us understand the present better, and what it can mean for our future. It is obvious, whether it is orthodox or fringe, that energy has always been the name of the game, going back to the beginnings of life on Earth.
If an area of study helps improve my understanding on those subjects, I am game, and it is rarely easy study.
While there may be fruitful learning to be had in fringe archeology, there is so much wacky stuff, too, that you can dive into those rabbit holes and not come up for air for several years, and end up with nothing but fool’s gold in your hands (but the experience can be educational, and all fringe seekers probably need to have at least one of those experiences). And when I looked into the moon landings and other fringe topics, it was sobering to continually go deep on evidence that fringe voices touted as air-tight, to only see it disintegrate upon further inspection. When you have enough episodes like that under your belt, you begin to grow highly skeptical toward fringe claims. The “skeptics” are often fraudulent in their stance, and can be incredibly narrow-minded:
but that does not make the fringes right, either. People are constantly trying to enlist my interest or effort in their fringe project. Most, even if valid, is not going to solve the world’s energy problems and boost humanity into the quantum leap to abundance, which is where my interest is. I consider it possible that some technologically-advanced civilizations nuked themselves or had some other kind of meltdown. If so, their extinctions were likely related to misusing energy technologies. What would that mean for us? The misuse and abuse of energy technologies is the biggest threat to humanity today, from nuclear fission to burning fossil fuels, not to mention the West’s genocidal invasions of Asia’s hydrocarbon country. For two years in a row, we had manmade energy catastrophes in the Fukushima meltdowns and the BP Gulf Spill. So, the peril is obvious, but how many more do we need before we begin to get it? The current situations are likely more instructive than what may have happened with Atlantis. Until Atlantis rises or we get unequivocal evidence (if the good stuff can survive the organized suppression), investigating evidence of technologically-advanced vanished civilizations is a highly speculative affair.
I see our predicament as more of an issue of sentience than anything else, and that short-circuited awareness is because people have dug in for survival and won’t budge from their niche, and the scientifically-trained can be the most obtuse of all:
People are choosing their semi-sentience out of fear. Love is the only way out that I know of, and is the crux of the conundrum, IMO.
I don’t need to belabor how uninterested I am in looking into the next FE aspirant who is chasing patents, money, and fame. I don’t get to see efforts such as the 70% plan very often, or Dennis’s The Reset Button. That I see more of those happening is encouraging, especially as the energy situation is increasingly being seen as the central issue, and on that subject, orthodoxy may be the least reliable source (because of the tremendous stakes of the game).
What Billyji and Dennis are doing are choir-like behaviors, and long overdue in this world. As I have written, a Level 10 approach has so far been easy to derail. I am seeking a smaller, more committed, more aware audience than the kinds of people that Level 10 efforts fish for. I don't seek the hundred heroes or ten million gawkers, but thousands of sentient lambs.
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17th February 2012 03:35
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I barely scratch the mind of builders who created great pyramids and many stone structures 10,000+ years ago. They know those sites will be safe for buildings over ten millennium somehow. They built a pyramid that will stand intact beyond climate change in nature, natural disasters, earthquake, flood, etc.
I watched a documentary film about world without humans on Earth. Within 300 years after all humans disappearing on Earth, things that we've built all erased by nature. Just 300 years. Metals are rust, dissolved. Modern buildings, structures that requires external energy to maintain will fall piece by piece as times go. Because human science and technologies are based on destructive, energy consumption which are reverse to the nature. 200 years will erase most mega cities on the planet.
1200 years ago ancient(?) Koreans built a artificial cave temple. Long story to short, they built a temple so that it'll have remain thousands years. Since it was discovered by modern humans, after their brilliant fixation, the temple began to develop moisture in chamber which is very sign of structural destruction. What they came up with is not to accept their mistakes but to install HVAC machine, putting another layer of concrete and wall of glass hoping it will fix it for a while. Yeah. Assuming the HVAC machine gets electricity for a long time.
Few engineers found out the secret of how to maintain dry air inside the chamber but it hasn't been implemented. To do it they need to remove all the machines which can not be welcomed by arrogant or stupid professionals.
I learned how to work on wood for building my shelter and workshop for myself two months ago. I began to fall in love with smell of wood, smoothness, organic nature. Anyway one day I met a man who told me ancient Korean knew a unique wood process method that wood panel withstand a thousand years.
Modern humans think, maybe we've been manipulated by TPTB how amazing modern civilization is. Modern civilization is at the pinnacle of destruction and exploitation of nature. Is it a bless or curse? Every day I hear rumbling sound of fighter jet, a marvelous war machine that burns a thousand gallon of oil per few hours of flight. Why wouldn't those people who wholeheartedly advocates carbon tax for global warming propose cutting down emission from all the war machines: vehicles, air crafts, ships.
Ancient people knew how to work with metals but they used stones and woods for important building. They preferred to use ceramic than metals for pots. Why? Energy efficiency. A ceramic pot will go hundreds years easy. It can be used by many generations. So they embedded their philosophy into those. They made quality products that withstands harsh nature hundreds to thousands years not like junks we make barely run a decade.
History of human devolution in plain side. Will we able to get back lost wisdom soon? I hope so. Working with nature not destroying, harmonic, creative way.
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17th February 2012 03:42
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It is time once again to reiterate my intention for my public FE work. I have done it several times, and each time I say it a little differently, so that the point can get across, because it is obviously a difficult concept, even when people are trying to understand. It took me many hard years to arrive at my perspective, and I sympathize with people who have been influenced by all the scientists, inventors, and promoters who have dominated this subject for many years. I am not taking their approach.
The analogy this time will focus on the automobile. What are cars good for? What are their transformative effects on societies? What are their costs and benefits? The conversation can stray into the metallurgy for making lighter, stronger engines, or valve design, radiator design, gear ratios, or the various ways that fuel can be introduced and combusted. Those are important scientific and engineering issues, but they generally have tangential impact on the discussion of what a car is good for and how it can transform a society. Technical types can discuss why cars get the MPGs they do and how that can be improved. But anybody who discusses the technicalities of high MPG carburetors, without an understanding that the corporate imperative is to keep MPGs low to help the oil companies, is missing the dynamic’s most important part. High MPG carburetors do not mean anything in a corporate culture that has effectively banished them:
The world’s best engine does not mean anything:
in a world where such disruptive technologies are shelved and buried by the score, even if they ever get to the point of becoming a market threat (which rarely happens).
Dennis discovered the hard way that Washington’s electric companies were not really interested in energy conservation,
even when their propaganda said so:
Similar to the car issue and its many facets, FE talk that gets into the technicalities has its place, but that is not what my work is about.
I know that FE and related technologies such as antigravity are real:
but even if I could tell you exactly how they worked, I could not demonstrate them, so it is mostly just talk. Consequently, I do not get too far into the theories behind FE. There is plenty of theory out there, and you can hear all about sacred geometry and other ideas. Even if an FE tinkerer goes at it in his workshop, the odds are long against any success. If he miraculously gets something working, then the fun only begins, if he survives it.
The primary concept to understand on the FE physics front is that empty space is not empty, and that the “ether” really exists (even Einstein admitted it), and that is where FE comes from (and where does the ether come from? ). I will not go too much further into how FE works, and I am more interested in what it can do and what its transformative potential is. Some beautiful Avalon threads have been devoted to just that subject:
While discussing FE physics and FE math can be good work, the thrust of my work is different. I survived being on the FE front lines, and I would only recommend it to people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause, and death is the easy part of that journey. I can tell you that the peril is real, the primary issue is the salient position (arguably a death grip) that the hyper-elites have over humanity, and the most influential of them have made self-service a science:
But they are parasites more than predators, and they are an integral part of humanity at this time. There are no victims in this situation, although that is faint comfort if you get clobbered by them.
I can also tell you that the only “warriors” from the public who can make a dent in that situation have love in their hearts, not anger.
They know that the means become the ends, so they understand that “getting the bad guys” is an adolescent fantasy. Godzilla will not die in battle, especially one that the public mounts. The helpful warriors will persuade, not coerce. The path that I advocate is for lovers, not fighters. It is the lamb’s path. It has never been tried before, and we will see how it goes.
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18th February 2012 02:47
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Big subject. Nice video. On pyramid builders and such, it is hard to know what happened and what they were thinking. The evidence is pretty clear that metal smelting came relatively late in the Domestication Revolution. The first metals worked were those found as nuggets, mainly copper and gold. It took high temperatures to smelt copper and bronze, and iron took even higher temperatures, which could only be achieved in blast-type furnaces that could attain temperatures a thousand degrees Fahrenheit hotter than hearth fires produced, and the first such furnaces that archeologists have found were located on hills, where the furnace could take advantage of the prevailing wind. I consider it likely that those megalithic structures were made of stone because that is what their level of technology allowed them to work in. There is a vast amount of esoteric speculation about the megalithic structures, and virtually all of them had some kind of astronomical significance, it appears, and there are plenty of theories about that issue, such as comet and meteor impacts that caused people to fear and worship celestial bodies (those violent, male, sky-god religions, as compared to feminine, Earth-based religions).
You are not really addressing advanced civilizations in your post, so I am sorry if this seems a little off topic, but if there was any kind of advanced civilization on our plane in the last million years, I think that there would be evidence of it. Not gleaming skyscrapers, but plenty would have survived. It takes a glass bottle a million years to degrade. Some of the plastics that have been made will virtually never degrade in the environment. Caches of metal coins from Roman times are continually found, and Neanderthal graves have been found with flowers in them, and they have been gone for more than twenty thousand years. A buried gold artifact could last as long as life on Earth will. Scientists can tell when soils have been disturbed. Deposition processes are well understood, and the dating issue has many lines of convergence. For one example, the mountain chain that Hawaii sits at the end of is about 85 million years old:
which the rate of plate movement and radioactive dating methods both confirm. Seeing how that hot spot drew a line across Earth’s crust is pretty cool. If Atlantis and Lemuria existed on our physical plane on Earth in the relatively recent past, there would have been some evidence of it, I think, beyond the largely conjectural evidence that has been produced, such as crystal skulls. Again, there is no evidence found so far of human-changed ecosystems in places such as New Zealand, South America, North America and Australia before humans appeared in the relatively recent past.
On working with wood and stone, we can consider that to be ancient wisdom or ancient inability to manipulate their environments more effectively. I advocate a world where we don’t leave behind artifacts, or at least our waste. With the exotic materials that are being kept under wraps (Flubber is not all that fictional), we can probably make buildings that last millions of years. And when we no longer want them, they can go back into the recycler. Or, we could make dwellings that disintegrate when no longer needed, such as those electromagnetic bubbles in this world:
That civilization may leave behind very little when it is time to move on.
Were there environmentally-gentle, technologically-advanced civilizations in our past that left behind virtually no trace? It could be, but I am skeptical. Not skeptical like the “skeptics,” but skeptical in that I want to know, and what I have seen has failed to convince me. I kind of keep up on archeological findings from around the world, and no professional archeologist has found any of that kind of evidence that I am aware of. I am well aware of the dirty pool that is often played on the “mavericks” in scientific field, but the evidence is simply not very strong for extinct, technologically-advanced civilizations on Earth. If there were, and maybe we could learn from their experiences, a least from what we can tell from their remains. For all of the disappeared and collapsed civilizations that have been studied so far, it seems that droughts (as in multi-year droughts) were the primary factor that collapsed them, from the Anasazi to the Mayans to Angkor Wat. Deforestation and the resultant erosion and desertification was certainly related to the decline and fall of many Old World civilizations. It is a bone of contention in academia, but Bronze Age and Iron Age peoples were great at deforesting the land to wrench more energy out of it. And in the Fertile Crescent, draft animals could pull plows. It was great for short-term crop yields, but is an environmental catastrophe in the long run.
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18th February 2012 03:17
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I am just making a little post on how my life goes with the FE stuff. I am bombarded with emails, and public and private Avalon posts, on the subject. It is part of the price for playing the public game that I am these days. My wife is not real happy with it, but tolerates it, and some days are better than others.
Today I received a PM from somebody who once played the energy game and barely lived to tell the tale. It is not the first PM that I received at Avalon like that. The people who approach me with their horror stories were not even playing the FE game, but some seemingly innocuous energy-saving technology that they invented, and their lives were wrecked. They don’t want to share their stories publicly, and they seem to think that I am, to some degree, speaking out on their behalf, and I usually am thanked for telling my story, so now they know they are not crazy. I am glad I could help.
When we were flying high in Ventura, we had people come tell us their tales of woe:
It comes with the territory of playing this game. I don’t make it a point of collecting those stories, but I have heard far more than my fair share over the years. Brian O knew about twenty-five dead FE inventor/scientist/promoter stories, and he did not make it a point to collect them, either.
There are far more pretenders than contenders on the FE field of play, and this morning I was once again emailed a link to that libelous essay:
I have been given it more than twenty times over the past ten years, by people who say it is the premier commentary on the FE conundrum. That dynamic is why Brian O said that the people who make FE happen will be new to the field:
But even Brian was buds with that libeler, and it took Brian a while to really figure out that few people in the FE milieu had the right stuff. That lack of integrity amongst the current FE players is a big part of why we don’t have FE today, but the general public receives the vast majority of the “credit” for this situation, not Godzilla and his minions, not the greedy and naïve tinkerers, and not the FE scoundrels.
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18th February 2012 03:55
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