WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, the sun is also a variable. As far as scientists can tell, the sun is more than 50% brighter than it used to be, and it keeps getting brighter. One day, it will make Earth uninhabitable by animals, and scientists think that day is not too far off, on the geological timescale, like less than a billion years. After Earth loses its animals, then it will lose its plants and oceans, and it will be back to single-cell life before all life is gone once again. Ward and Brownlee’s The Life and Death of Planet Earth covers that territory. Life today is carbon-starved compared to hundreds of millions of years ago, and that is seen as one of the limiting factors. In fact, you can see hydrocarbon lobby mouthpieces say how great it is that we are burning up fossil fuels and unburying all of that carbon. That is a rather interest-conflicted way of looking at it.

The sun has been pretty stable, however. It is just the right size to have a stable output over billions of years. Larger stars burn out far more quickly. That is partly why scientists think that Earth may be very unique in being able to host life as we know it. However, in digesting their theories, they admit right off, that with a sample size of one, there is one heck of a lot of speculation in their theories. They are all just theories, and each one will die with a new fact. However, I respect the process in its ideal, but its ideal is almost never seen in the real world, especially where political-economic interests are at stake, as they are with FE. Not too many political-economic interests are at stake with piecing together the past of Earth’s climate, however.

On the subject of the sun and other factors in the current ice age, the sun’s variable output has been put up as a factor in the past, as well as interstellar dust, but the data amassed lines up very well with the eccentricity and axial tilt of Earth’s orbit, and facts such as the isthmus between North and South America closing a few million years ago (the animals from North America then invaded South America, which had marsupials like Australia does). On the mystical side of the house, there has been plenty of speculation on the sun’s role in events in our past and what might happen in the future. You are aware, I am sure, that today the sun is being invoked for global warming, as the other planets seem to be heating up, too. However, the scientific community is not so sure. It is widely accepted that the lack of sunspots coincided with the heart of the Little Ice Age in the 1600s, so the sun can certainly have effects, but for the driver of the advancing and retreating ice sheets of the past three million years, it appears to pretty much be all due to what Earth is doing in its orbit and axial tilt, and its geophysical processes. Also, most of Earth’s land is in the Northern Hemisphere (the Southern Hemipshere's oceans temper the changes better than land does), and snow and ice is reflective, which creates positive feedback during cooling cycles, and its disappearance creates positive feedback as the sheets disappear. Scientists have now measured about 50 glacial cycles in the current ice age, and there is no end in sight while North and South America remain connected and the Arctic Ocean is hemmed in like it is. The estimates are currently between two and ten million years for the current ice age to continue.

But, as you know, my point is that with FE and related technologies that are under wraps, human welfare will no longer be at the mercy of what the sun and Earth do. Humanity will be able to perfect indoor environments that are fairly immune to what the sun and Earth do, and they can put them all over the solar system. For me, most important is that FE can break the paradigm of Earth-raping that is so ingrained in humanity and considered “natural.” Again, I don’t consider this world to be a fantasy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

and just with what I know of that is kept under wraps, today, we could move most of the way toward that world in my lifetime, if enough of us woke up to the potential. That is what I am hoping that I help inspire. If I can help do that, it will be mission accomplished for my lifetime. What a long, strange trip it has been.

Running off to some long days in the office, but there will be daylight at the end of this week, and I plan to start working on that essay in earnest. Most of the mayhem seems to be behind me for now, I hope.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

It is time for another choir post, and the qualities that I am looking for. I don’t look for those qualities because I like them (although I do), but because they are the ones have the best chance of working for what I have in mind, at least I think so, but time will tell. At this time, nothing less will achieve my goal. I see many posts here and elsewhere that tell me that not many yet understand what I am trying to do. I have posted the approach that I plan to try out:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

and I even did an interview with Scott on it:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...4879#post24879

So, what I am about to write I hope will not be news to many, and here goes.

The qualities that I am looking for in the choir members are:

1. Their hearts will be in the right place. This quality trumps all others by a mile. Everybody whom I respected in the FE field had that in common. All the great souls that I have known and known of had that in common. The masters had it, and so on. Love is the energy of creation:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

and an FE effort will not have a prayer of success unless love is front and center. Another way of saying it is that the choir members will have personal integrity. Since personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity, which was my journey’s primary lesson:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

I know from the start that I am looking for extremely rare people. That is why a Level 10 approach does not have a chance in today’s environment:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level10

Not enough people care enough today. It is that simple. That lack of integrity manifests in many ways that are counterproductive to an FE pursuit in today’s world, and one of my original contributions to the field is the idea that nearly all people are addicted to scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

and they refuse to let go because they don’t have sufficient personal integrity to pursue the truth. They hung their hat on ideologies that feed them, so they are permanently blinded to the truth. Their eyes will only begin to open when abundance, or at least the means to get there, becomes a daily reality for them. That is why I say that they will only begin to wake up when an FE machine is delivered to their homes:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

Virtually no FE newbies like hearing it, but it is the truth. They think that they can turn their friends, family and co-workers onto FE, or reorient various protest movements in the FE direction, and so on. They have some hard lessons to learn. I have watched careers end when people tried chatting up the office on FE, and so on. The masses are not ready for talk about abundance. When it can be demonstrated, and nothing less than FE can do so, then they will begin to awaken. Those whose hearts are awake need to understand how rare they are, and not from an egocentric perspective (one of the many hazards of this path), but to just understand that people like them are not waiting on every street corner to help make FE happen. If I can help prevent people from learning that lesson the hard way, the rest of the task will be easier.

2. Their heads will be in the right place. The first quality may be obvious to many, but this second one often is not, not for what I have in mind. The heart leads, and the head follows. Those clinging to their scarcity-based ideologies do so out of fear. When love rules, a love of the truth comes with it. Here is where I may be blowing it, but time will tell. I have a heritage of writers and some highly intelligent people, some of whom were scientists and engineers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#oleary

and I have known Tesla-like minds:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

and have been mentored by them. It was not until I finished the 2002 version of my site (which is the meat of my site today, and looks long in the tooth to me, but the one-year makeover of that site will have to wait, and maybe a long time, until my career is finished) that I discovered that I was a comprehensivist, with Bucky Fuller the professional grandfather I never knew I had:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

He was one of the first Western comprehensive thinkers, and if there is one description of what I am trying to help the choir attain, it is comprehensive thinking:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing

I am a systems thinker:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/trucking.htm#introduction

partly because of my training, but it also came naturally to me. It has taken me many years to finally realize how rare that talent is. To me, it is not too hard to think in systems terms, but my scientist pals tell me that not many people can really do it, especially in a creative way, and this is where I may be blowing it. I found that unless a person’s heart is in the right place, they won’t have a love of the truth and go chasing after it. But it requires some mental horsepower to handle the complexity of systems thinking. Only with a systems approach can people see the forest from the trees, be able to winnow the wheat from the chaff and see the big picture, etc. I don’t think that a person needs to have a genius-level IQ to understand. That is really the part of my experiment that may fail, in that not enough can muster the mental horsepower to achieve the level of understanding needed to see the big picture.

The essay that I am working on, and have been researching for the past several years, is intended to get the non-scientist up to speed on comprehensive thinking. Because when they do, the energy issue will be front and center. Not only will FE be seen as perhaps the only way out of the predicament that humanity finds itself in today, it is also the key to manifesting Heaven on Earth. That is also a theme that is pretty unique to my work, although it does not take that much deep thought to begin to understand the ramifications. In fact, the overwhelming implications of FE are what fry most people’s circuits. The world as we know it would end with FE, and that has deep implications, on several levels:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

I am looking for people who are brave enough to explore them. Only when enough of us can see the big picture and what the leverage points are, with our hearts in the right place, can we take any action. And if we can get to that eight thousand people or so who attain that level of awareness, will we be ready. Ilie is one of the only people to post to my threads who gets it so far. The thread he began on what becomes obsolete under an FE-based economy is the best one I ever saw:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...by-Free-Energy

Watching Ilie get it tells me that what I am trying is not impossible, but I am highly aware that I am looking for needles in haystacks. Those with their hearts in the right place are less than one-in-a-thousand in the general population, and the level of “intelligence” that I am looking for is also probably going to be fairly rare. For an example of the rabbit holes that the unwary can fall into, to never emerge, the moon landings come to mind:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post478010

Discernment is critical to navigating the minefields and pitfalls, and there are many:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

3. They will be worldly.

I began my journey naively, as did everybody whom I respect in the FE and related fields:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

Naïveté is no crime, but people need to get worldly before they will be much help on the FE front. I have seen highly intelligent people in corporate America and academia who were highly naïve to the realities of pursuing such a highly disruptive technology as FE. Nothing would be as disruptive to the world’s power structure as that, which is why the Global Controllers (AKA the Big Boys, Godzilla) have thrown around hundreds of billions of dollars to keep the lid on it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#make

They are keenly aware that the world they rule over will end if FE gets loose, and they are watching my efforts and may move to intervene if I get much success. That is another reason why the choir will need to be worldly. The provocateurs that were sicced on our operations were good at what they did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm#death

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#texas

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#darker

And killing people was part of some of their “jobs”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#new

I do not want to make the honor roll of FE activists who were targeted by murder attempts. All high level players that I am aware of have, including those playing around in seemingly innocuous puddles like the UFO issue:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#attack

I am going to try to steer the choir away from those life-wrecking reefs, but only the worldly can navigate those shoals. Naïveté must be shed to get very far along the path.

4. They will be able to sing.

In the end, when enough of us learn the song, we can sing it from our hearts. But proselytizing is for baby souls:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#age

This is an old soul project, and there will be singing for any who want to hear. We won’t be silent, but banging the FE tambourine on the street corner will not work. That forum that I plan to mount will be invitation-only, people will use real names and faces, it will be available to the world, and we will all need to bring our best to the game. I plan to raise my game, and will require it of the choir members. We will all be there to give, not take. I am going for quality, not quantity. If the choir starts with only one person, that is OK. It is about hitting the notes, not making noise. There are many out there who thirst for the song, and it has never been heard in chorus before. There are not many who thirst for it on a proportional basis – they are still needles in haystacks – but if the choir of thousands attracted ten times as many who grooved to the tune, making FE happen would be easy, and we are only talking about 0.001% of the global population. When seen in that light, I really am not asking for much, but I don’t kid myself that it will easy. This has been a lifetime project so far, it is not nearly finished, and the fun may be just beginning.

I’ll write more on this later, but it is time to run off to another crazy day at the office, but I only have a couple more before I take a breather from about a year-and-a-half solid of craziness. I am getting too old for this.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

There is one thing that I want to make clear. The choir is not going to be some elite organization. It will be comprised of people who can hit the notes. Their purpose will be to sing a song in chorus that has never been heard before in that way. So far, the song has only been heard here and there from voices in the wilderness. The intention is to provide the song to those who can hear it, and it will be the song they have longed for. I have been getting a lot of “please pick me,” or, “I don’t think I qualify” lately. People do not need to worry about this in that way. Just bringing their awareness to this issue is plenty, believe me.

My intention is for that choir to carry the tune until humanity is able to, and humanity won’t be able to until FE is delivered to their homes. The audience will be as important as the singers, especially if they can begin to hum along, even if it is just in the shower. It is more than OK to “merely” be in the audience. Just maintaining the awareness is incredibly important. Again, it was the missing ingredient that I saw in all efforts so far. People paying attention because Dennis threatened to pull the quadrillion dollar rabbit out of his hat:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#quadrillion

and turning away to flip on Dancing with Stars or NASCAR when he failed (or cheered when his company was stolen http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#salient1), is not the crowd that is going to help make FE happen. I saw those dynamics in action too many times, and slowly came to realize that those games were not going to work. When I helped Brian O, I saw other flavors of what does not work. I eventually decided that I was not going to play spear carrier any longer, although I still did it for Brian and Dennis, and still kind of do. It was time to apply what I learned to a different approach, and my site comprises the baby steps in that direction. Getting that essay done and the choir going is my great experiment, and it might be another failure, but I have to try it. If nothing else, it is going to help raise awareness, and our awareness is all that we take with us.

I am finished with playing at levels where people risk their lives, and that goes for conferences and shows. At more than one show, in the audience were people readying their search warrants:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

their sting operations:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#darker

and so on.

Brian O survived a murder attempt the day after one conference was finished:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#attack

and the murder of our first NEM conference speaker, a week after we lined him up:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#portland

spooked Brian to the point where he moved to South America. I have no interest anymore in those games, or playing inventor-itis games, or raising money, and so on. I am shooting for a Level 12 attempt:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

and it will just be singing, and that may be all it ever will be. I doubt that Godzilla will get too worked up about it, and with the choir scattered across the world, how do you shut it down? So far, shutting down something for just singing is going to be a hard trick to pull off. The choir also will not be playing the senseless games that you see in typical Internet forums. It will not be victim-oriented, getting spun up in conspiracism and other unproductive avenues:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

It will be creator-oriented, love-oriented, etc. It is going to be something different, so different that not many people understand it yet. But wait and see.

I have to run off to work now.

Best,

Wade

[kudzy]

Dear Wade et al;

I've been reading your posts for over a year now, since the beginning of this thread. Since you've been sharing so much of your story with us readers I thought it would be nice to share some of my story with you.

I'm a 43 year old male, who grew up in Connecticut. I've never been married and have no children. I was raised Catholic but rejected it in my teenage years, that was the beginning of my awakening process. I have a bachelor degree in Mechanical Engineering but rest assured I'm not the inventor type. Actually, I left the engineering field early in my career to join an intentional community. I've been living here for almost 16 years.

You've helped me to see that I've been one of those 'austerity environmentalists'. However, after years of struggle and austerity I believe I've created a life of relative abundance for myself. I live in a beautiful little valley in the Southern Appalachian Mountains. I am surrounded by good hearted, well intentioned, intelligent people. I have abundant clean spring water that I tapped myself. I live in a modest little home that I built myself. My home is heated by a wood stove. I heat my water, in the winter, by a thermo-siphon off the wood stove. Otherwise, I have a three season outdoor solar shower, also a passive thermo-siphon. I use an outdoor composting toilet, which for me is a rather pleasant experience with no foul odor. I built my whole little homestead almost entirely by myself, including the access road. Also, I live off the electrical supply grid. All my electrical needs are provided by a photovoltaic solar system. Fortunately, I now have phone and internet service at my home. I've planted a number of fruit trees and perennials and I have a small organic garden.

Now, I'm imagining one might ask "so how is showering and defecating outdoors an example of abundance?". Well, the answer is time and money. By living simply, avoiding debt and taking responsibility for my own basic needs I've liberated an enormous amount of time and money. I can afford to take the day off to write this because I set my own schedule and I have very low overhead. I simply don't need or desire to make a lot of money. (BTW, none of us 'make money', the federal reserve does that. We sell our skills and labor on the open market in exchange for green paper but you already know that.) My main motivation for working is not to make money, it's to help my friends and neighbors and to help build my community. Unlike working for a corporation, the fruits of my labor go directly towards helping my community, my big extended family. People hire me on a handshake and my word, they know that if I screw up I will make it right. And I have no shortage of demand for my services. As of late, I've been designing and installing solar hot water systems, installing photovoltaic panels and building 'natural' homes and structures. It's a hard pill to swallow knowing that most of what I do would become obsolete with the advent of free energy. But I do it anyway because that's what my community needs in the present moment.

On the spiritual side; I've done numerous sweat lodges, self-guided vision quests and a ten day Vipassana Meditation course. I also spent three months in Peru studying under a traditional Ayahuascaro. http://www.yacupuma.com/juan-tangoa-paima.html
Don Juan is a most amazing and beautiful human being, a true hero in my book. I've practiced Tai Chi and Yoga, fast regularly and was a vegetarian for over ten years. I acknowledge and appreciate the traditional four elements; Earth, Air, Fire and Water. I give thanks for the embedded energy in my firewood before striking the match. I give thanks for the Sun heating Water in my solar shower. And, of course, I give thanks to the Mother Earth and Father Sun for making the whole grand play of Life possible.

On the negative side; I sometimes allow myself to become depressed, lethargic and apathetic. I have succumb to lust and addiction. I've fallen prey to scarcity mentality, victim mentality and fear. But time after time I pick myself up, gain some awareness, forget the lessons and repeat the mistakes, only to pick myself up again and push on. I've cried uncontrollably over the rape of our dear Mother Earth and her people. I've been angry at the global controllers but not anymore, my heart goes out to them….."forgive them for they know not what they've done". For me, the awakening process has been akin to Kubler-Ross' Phases of Grief. For a good laugh see how quickly Homer Simpson moved through the 5 phases. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6mh8SX_sXs (sorry poor quality).

I realize that the life I've chosen is not for everyone. I also realize that even if all 7 billion of us lived the way I do it would not usher in the Golden Age that we are all hoping for. But I do realize that my life is rather unique in this 21st century USA. Do I have what it takes to be a useful contributor to your choir of ' singing lambs'? My ego likes to think so, self-doubt thinks otherwise. I believe I'm a smart enough engineer to know there's a whole lot I don't know. Is my heart in the right place? Do I have enough personal integrity? I like to think I can be a Level 12 but could I answer 'yes' to all of the qualifications you've outlined…..NO. But in my imagination I can see the beautiful vision that free energy would bring. I can see the Golden Age, the Heaven on Earth we all so desperately long for. It hurts Wade, as I'm sure you know, to be so close yet so far away from our goal. I KNOW deep in my being 'it's possible'. I don't need the demonstration.

Anecdotal information:
When I was in my late teens my uncle was into one of those Amway type pyramid schemes. Upon meeting his friend he threw out his pitch/hook line, "So do you want to make a lot of money?" "No" was my response. He equated that with lack of ambition. Fortunately I was smart enough to realize that just because I didn't want a lot of money didn't mean I have no ambition, I have plenty of ambition, as I hope this letter demonstrates.

Back in my engineering days the Vice President of Engineering pulled me aside and said verbatim "Darren, you're too nice, you'd better get mean, people are gonna walk all over you." I said to myself, "No, I need to get the hell out of this business". And I did, I moved to a place where the people honor and respect me. I have no regrets for making that decision, even though I left behind a lucrative career.

When I was in my early 20's this book almost literally fell off the shelf into my hands, it's had a huge impact on my life. http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=FlgkN6tW-X4C Helen and Scott Nearing are among my list of true heros. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_and_Scott_Nearing Although, I now realize, it's impossible for all 7 billion of us humans to live as they did or that it's even desirable to live as they did. However, they certainly exemplified a high degree of personal integrity, commitment and intelligence. They were years ahead of their time.

Thank you Wade, thank you so much. Thanks for all the posts, morning and night. Thanks for attempting to warn us all of the pitfalls associated with free energy. Thank you for holding onto the vision and not giving up. I do not consider you my guru but I have a tremendous amount of respect and appreciation for you. I don't want anything from you. I only hope that when the time is right I will, in some way, help to make free energy a reality. Thanks for reading this!

In closing I'll leave you with a couple of songs from two of my favorite artists;
Michael Franti - Pray for Grace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDmdAlwv9BE
Ben Harper - Better Way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l60xSdVEkWw
I hope you enjoy them.

Here to Serve
and THRIVE;
Darren Geffert

[sandy]

Thank you kudzy,

Thank you for sharing some of your journey. It is nice to get to know you and by the way WOW great travels you have experienced. Welcome to our Free Energy community. I look forward to your continued participation.

[Melinda]

I love the idea of a choir. It's a beautiful word. Reminds me of the scene in City of Angels, where angels gather on the beach to hear the harmonies of the sunrise. It moves them to their core. A sound that seems both vast and delicate, daily and profound.

Could I be just as happy being in the choir as being one of its applauding supporters? As long as I'm humming the same tune I feel a swell of gladness knowing we'll be united in our intention. Hearts, like guitars, can play a note that causes others to resonate at the same frequency, until every corner of the room is filled with sound. So may it be.

I'm so grateful to everyone here who is holding the vision for a brighter and healed world. I wish you continued courage on your journeys. I think this piece of writing (by Eric Pearl) that I read recently says something beautiful:

"You don't need to let go of all your fear before you are ready to experience love. You can pick up your fears in your arms and carry them into the love with you. For once you step into love, fear shows itself up for the illusion it's always been, and love is all that remains."

[sandy]

Welcome Wandering Ponderer,

Nice to have you join us in support of a healed earth. I couldn't agree more that our fears do turn into love when one steps through the illusions of our belief systems, accepts what is and focuses intent on abundance with the reality of FE.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Darren:

Beautiful post. Well met. I am not trying to recruit you into the choir, but as somebody who has been at this for most of his life, let me say that you are closer to the goal than you may think you are. You care, and you are trying. Those are the most important qualities, with a bullet. The rest is not that important. You have made do with what you saw in front of you, and what choices you had available to you. You can’t ask for much more than that. Scarcity has been humanity’s reality since the beginning, and exploiting windfall energy opportunities until they were all used up, and it was off to the next one, has been the pattern since people learned to control fire. Well, there isn’t much more to use up, and that is not news to you. You are on the right path, but it has been costly in many ways, I don’t have to tell you. I have been made aware of many communities that are trying out a new way, but when they are performed in scarcity, it invariably comes with its hardships and distortions. It sounds like you live on what used to be Cherokee land, taken from them by violence and deceit:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#cherokee

Nice land, as is where I live. We can’t all get in boats and move back to Europe where we belong, but we can do what we can to help heal the wounds.

You have seen me state it on this thread before, but one of my favorite exercises is to think about problems of design or engineering and to say to the designer, “What if energy was not a limiting factor? How would you then design it?” If they think about it deeply and long enough, their entire paradigm changes. The entire design project might even disappear, because it was all about harnessing scarce energy in the first place. Or it leaps up a few octaves into something beautiful and unrecognizable under the current paradigm; abundant energy made it possible.

I am finishing Ruddiman’s Plows, Plagues and Petroleum, and it is a perfect example of how a lifelong scientist gets hemmed in when looking at problems through the current energy paradigm. Virtually all of the major problems that humanity faces, with their devastating environmental effects, can disappear almost overnight with FE. I have found that somebody like Ruddiman will virtually never even admit to the possibility of FE, partly because of the so-called “laws of physics,” but also because it makes all the problems that he has been grappling with for so long simply evaporate. FE can make all of the big problems that we have disappear almost immediately. When you begin to understand that, it becomes surreal that a solution that I know is here can be so pointedly ignored by almost everybody who says they are trying to do something about the problems. As one pal said, those who say they are trying to solve the problems are often the biggest obstacles to solving them.

If FE is not denied, then it gets put into false categories like “cornucopianism,”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#exuberance

There really are cornucopians, but their motivation is self-seeking. They plunder to no end. That is a far cry from abundance:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

I was just reading an article on space cornucopians yesterday:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/mining...guided-message

under the greed-based capitalist model, it can turn out badly. But look at the assumptions that all sides of that argument operate from. FE is completely outside of their universe of the possible. Introduce FE, and all of their arguments and “solutions” fade away to insignificance. That is one of the mind-bogglers of the FE pursuit. It takes entire lines of theory and problem-solving and makes them all obsolete, and that is one of the reasons why FE meets the brick wall of the Level 3 crowd:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level3

which includes about 100% of the people at TED. FE blows the tops of their heads off. They have probably all heard of FE, but have all dismissed it and are bunkered up against it coming in and blowing over their houses of cards. You have to see it to believe it. Kind of funny, that article. Brian O was one of the first to advocate mining asteroids:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#oneill

but he was not doing it as a cornucopian, but a Utopian. There is a big difference. One is egocentric, and the other is not. Intention is everything.

A brief aside on Don Juan. A family member spent time with Carlos C., in a family setting. He had his problems (like not being totally honest), but he was quite the story teller. I don’t know if Don Juan was real or not, but Carlos told some nice stories.

Running off to work now.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

The other day I've watched the movie The Celestine Prophecy. It's not really a mind blowing movie, especially if you been on this forum for a while but it has some interesting points about energy

The more "evolved" characters said that all conflict revolves around a battle for energy. There isn't enough of it and so we dominate and control each other for energy. The proposed solution is to find the "infinite source within" (that is also called love at some point).

There are some interesting dynamics in the movie, with Godzilla's minions trying to suppress this idea of infinite energy saying that: "In that world people like you and me (the GC) will not be needed anymore!". How right he was , and so he went about protecting his niche in hell.

Some free energy talk (but not really that well thought out), you can find the recent movie The Avengers. Don't be tricked by the high score on IMDB, the movie is not that good, but with FE in mind there are some interesting things touched on. Of course, weaponizing that unlimited power had to be one of them

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
you can find the recent movie The Avengers. Don't be tricked by the high score on IMDB, the movie is not that good

You are incorrect sir! I brand you a heretic! And now you must fight me. Fight me, I say!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, when you develop an eye for it, the FE energy idea leaps out at you from many directions, but only in fantasy.

I was sent this this morning:

http://video.staged.com/localshops/v..._mpg_in_the_uk

The high-MPG stuff has been around nearly a hundred years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#carb1

but now it is getting more blatant. More leaks in the dike…

A few odds and ends…

My upcoming essay will deal at length with pre-human Earth history. Our tenure on Earth is not even a blink of the eye, on the geological time scale. You have probably all heard that if Earth’s history was reduced to a 24-hour film, all of human history would be the last tenth of a second of the movie. We have wreaked awesome havoc on Earth’s systems in our minuscule tenure, and creating Earth’s sixth mass extinction is just part of it. It is now estimated that humanity moves more of the world’s soil and rock each year than all of Earth’s geophysical processes (water, ice, wind, landslides – See Ruddiman’s Plows, Plagues and Petroleum, p. 149) do put together. The human signature on the atmosphere is pronounced, with the burning of hydrocarbons being something like a hundred times the carbon dioxide effect that volcanoes contribute. In the 2010 edition of Ruddiman’s book, he tests his hypothesis against the recent data, and it is increasingly vindicated, in that the human impact on the carbon dioxide and methane levels is detectable for the past several thousand years, as humans began deforesting Earth, domesticating plants and animals and creating artificial swamps such as rice paddies.

But before we appeared on the scene, Earth’s history, as it has been increasingly uncovered in the past few generations, is a fascinating picture. The state of Earth that we take for granted today is far from typical. I have written before that a billion years of photosynthesis created our oxygenated atmosphere:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcomin...photosynthesis

Before that event, Earth’s atmosphere would not have been breathable, and the oceans could not have hosted fish and other sea animals. The oceans of the pre-oxygenic days were called “anoxic,” meaning that there was no oxygen in them. Oxygen is highly reactive, so it is never found floating around by itself, except when the photosynthetic “green machine” of plant life keeps spewing it out as its primary waste product. An oxygenated atmosphere is the primary signature that scientists plan to look for in the atmosphere of planets circling distant stars, when their instruments can find such clues. Oxygen in the atmosphere is universally considered to be the result of photosynthesis. Again, with only a sample size of one, our puny conceptions today of what life must look like on other planets may be very wrong. That aside, oxygen is very reactive and is quite damaging to life forms. In a word, oxygen is highly corrosive. The oceans were filled with dissolved iron before the great oxygenation event billions of years ago. The oxygen produced by photosynthesis reacted with all of that iron in the oceans, and iron oxides precipitated out in huge iron layers on the ocean floors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banded_iron_formations

It took a nearly billion years for all of that oxygen to saturate the land masses and oceans with oxides. Then the oxygen in the atmosphere rose rather rapidly, and Earth had an atmosphere that could be breathed for the first time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn2

Also, sunlight not only evaporates water from the surface of the oceans and drives the hydrological cycle that all land-based life depends on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle

but it also splits water into its constituent elements, oxygen and hydrogen. Hydrogen is the lightest element in the universe and the most plentiful, but Earth’s gravity is not strong enough to hold atmospheric hydrogen, and it will eventually escape to space. What prevented Earth’s oceans from escaping to space was that atmospheric oxygen created by photosynthesis. The hydrogen encounters oxygen on the way to escaping the atmosphere, and turns back into water and eventually falls as rain. If not for photosynthesis, Earth would have lost its oceans to space, and would look like lifeless Mars today.

As I have stated before, the megalomaniacs who run the world from behind the scenes are actually planning to terraform Mars as I write this, as their ace-in-the-hole if/when they crash Earth’s ecosystems in their insanity that keeps potentially Earth-saving technologies such as FE under wraps. Mars is geologically dead, however. It does not have the tectonic plate activity that drives many elemental cycles on Earth and keeps Earth inhabitable, it does not have the magnetic field that protects Earth’s atmosphere from direct solar radiation (the notion that the magnetic field is necessary to protect the atmosphere has been challenged by recent data), and people in the know deride Godzilla’s grand plans as hopelessly misguided. But megalomania and a god-complex is not very rational in the first place.

From the very beginning, life on Earth had to learn to deal with oxidation. Oxidation is just the stealing of electrons by electron-hungry molecules, and oxygen is one of the greediest. But before the atmosphere was oxidized, there were other oxidizers, and life had to use anti-oxidants to protect itself. The life forms that existed before the atmosphere was oxidized are all anaerobic, meaning that their life processes did not use oxygen. Once oxygen began to fill the atmosphere, it became deadly to anaerobic organisms, and they had to retreat beneath Earth’s surface to survive, where they live today. It took hundreds of millions of years of evolution to do it, but eventually life forms learned to make use of that oxygen, and oxygenic respiration was “invented.” Oxygenic respiration generates nearly twenty times the energy that fermentation and anaerobic respiration generate, and learning how to use oxygen made complex life possible. Multicellular life forms were simply not possible with the low energy generation of fermentation and anaerobic respiration.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#aerobic

While oxygenic respiration made complex life possible, in the energy generation plants in complex cells (called eukaryotes) today, called mitochondria (which are former bacteria), eventually wear out over a lifetime, and increasingly throw off free radicals as they generate energy. It is like an old car engine polluting more as it wears out. That free radical “pollution” is largely what ages us and eventually kills all complex life forms. That is why you see all of that anti-oxidant promotion on the nutritional scene, although a great deal of it is snake oil. An antioxidant has to be targeted for the reactions it is there to prevent, and most of the antioxidants sold today, especially in the alternative health movement, are of little-to-no use for what they are advertised for. Vitamin C is one of the primary antioxidants that life forms use to protect themselves from oxidation, which is why we need it.

Decaying food (meat, particularly) is full of the free radicals (which also come from obvious stuff like smoke and alcohol) that come with the byproducts of death processes, which is partly why live food is much better for us. To a degree, we have evolved to eat cooked food (but cooking also introduces free radicals, kills enzymes, etc).

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#cooking

It is a way to pre-digest food so that we can get more energy out of it than in its raw state. You can survive by just eating bananas or avocadoes, but I would not recommend it. Most food should be eaten live, but today, humans will have a hard time eating solely raw food. That does not justify the food processing industries, however. The ideal diet is mostly raw, with maybe a third freshly cooked, but going much beyond boiling and steaming is detrimental to its nutritional value, and all of that hyper-processing by the food processing industries, as their primary focus is profits and deceiving human taste buds, is very bad news, but the food processing industries own all manner of soul-sold “scientists” who would promote cardboard as nutritious if they were paid enough:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#stare

Ruddiman’s book is a good one, and at book’s end he expressed alarm on how his findings have been used by industry-funded “think tanks” that deny global warming and other effects that humans have on Earth’s geophysical systems, especially the concentrations of greenhouse gases. He became so alarmed that he has gotten more active in countering the disinformation coming from those industry-funded “think tanks.” Climate systems are highly complex, and the scientific understanding of them is still in its infancy, but the scientific consensus is that the dynamics move at a glacial speed compared to the mayfly-like lives of us puny humans. All of the greenhouse gases that have been vented to the atmosphere by humans during the industrial age, primarily the carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels, take a relatively long time to impact the climate. The estimate today is that more than half of the greenhouse effect from all of that industrial era venting, from just what has been spewed into the air so far, has yet to manifest in global warming. It is still in the “pipeline.” Virtually all of the global warming naysayers with scientific credentials sold their souls to the hydrocarbon lobby long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#conflicts

Brian O knew one of them, and he expressed his disgust to me long ago about one of his former atmospheric science colleagues who “sold his soul” to the hydrocarbon lobby, to become one of the leading global warming naysayers.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sold

Enough said on the conflicts of interest and corruption that plague these issues. I would like to write a little note on economics. Economics is really my bag, but not the game that professional economists play. I don’t have much respect for that profession. IMO, it is a bunch of intellectual warriors who are owned by the capitalists, who try to make capitalism respectable with their intellectual summersaults. The study of economics is generally sliced into three pieces: production, exchange, and consumption. Economics, as thought of today, is about human material welfare. Production is where it all comes from, and is dependent on human intelligence, the manipulative ability that comes with having hands, and how they are used to wring energy out of the environment. The exchange aspect of economics is about who gets the benefit of economic production. Ideally, exchange is really about what is called social organization, and how to get humans focused on production. As humans domesticated plants and animals after all of the easy meat was killed off:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5

the energy surplus provided by domesticating plants and animals created the possibility of not all people needing to procure the food they ate. In the hunter-gatherer phase, if you could not procure your own food, you died. There was not much of a welfare state in hunter-gather societies, and they were proportionally more violent than civilized societies, as they settled disputes with their hunting technology and killed each other. Something like a third of all males in hunter-gatherer societies die violently.

When humans began to domesticate plants and animals, they also domesticated each other. Social hierarchies developed, with the most clever, ruthless and violent becoming elites, and they set themselves up as “royalty.” In all early civilizations, the elites set themselves up as intermediaries with God, attributing to themselves divine status, to further justify their position atop the hierarchies. Anthropologists cannot find any exceptions to this situation in early civilizations. The elites had to put on a show to impress their “subjects,” so drafting the commoners into building monumental architecture, as advertisements for the elite’s divinity, is common to pretty much every early civilization that attained the level of domestication surplus to fund such activities. Again, anthropologists pretty much cannot find an exception to this dynamic.

The domestication of humans came with the beginnings of sedentary societies, which was not only about justifying elite status, but also getting everybody else to accept their status, and that included the newly-created occupation of “slave.” Slavery began with early civilization and ended with early industrialization, as rising living standards from harnessing all of that fossil fuel energy made the institution obsolete. Machines could perform the work of slaves. Women’s status universally declined with the advent of civilization, and women only became liberated with industrialization, for the same basic reason that slaves were: human effort became less of a factor in economic production. Women did not need to breed serfs, ranch hands, and slaves anymore.

During the rise of civilization, as ideological indoctrination conditioned everybody, money was invented. On one hand, it is argued that money made the exchange function easier to maintain, for those standard reasons of not having to slaughter a cow and cut it up to sell it to each “buyer” in barter transactions, so money could effectively slice a cow into many pieces while it was still alive, and sell it at some distance away from the actual cow. That is an undisputed benefit of money. However, the downsides are arguably greater, but economists ignore those effects because, I believe, that to point out such failings would simply not do. If people are focused on the trappings of the real economy and not the real economy itself, then they are less likely to figure things out on their own. Economics is like other professions that aspire to be sciences, but they really aren’t. They generate a lot of theory that cannot be falsified, which is the only true test of scientific theories. Most of what passes as economics is unnecessarily arcane concepts that really don’t have much, if anything, to do with the real world, which is why all the big name economists were blindsided by the economic meltdown of a few years ago, which was easy to see coming for those with their eyes open:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#enron

All the complex mathematical models and ideological garbage that people like Greenspan promoted left them in a fantasy world as it crumbled, and the show is not over, either, no matter how much money the Federal Reserve prints up to help its rich buddies weather the storm at the expense of the rest of us.

What I find really insidious and effective about the obsession over the exchange aspect of economics is that it is not real. Paper money and gold are not wealth, but just symbols of it. However, about the only economic talk that you see out there, and even in alternative circles, is all about money, banking, taxes, and the like. Real economics is about matter and energy, and matter is only a condensed form of energy, so the real economy is only about energy in the big picture, but all that almost everybody thinks of when they think of economics is money, banking and what the Fed is up to. In a world of abundance, and that can only happen with abundant energy (and I am talking about energy control vastly beyond what we see today,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

and FE would be clean energy also, so would not damage the environment), money, banking, taxes and the like become obsolete. As long as economic talk is about money, banking, taxes and the like, it is going nowhere fast. In a world of scarcity, the financial economy is the egocentric one, whose motto is “What is in it for me?” Under the anthropocentric economy, the motto is “What is in it for humans?” Under what I call the soul-centric economy, the motto is, “What is in it for every living thing.” The soul-centric economy is the only one really worthy of the term, “economics,” but that one is totally off the radar, in our egocentric and anthropocentric world. When we grow up spiritually, this kind of soul-centric economy beckons:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

Arguably the entire point of my work is to get people thinking along the lines of a soul-centric economy and what it would look like. It does not look anything like what humanity has ever experienced before. Humanity would begin to understand what abundance really means:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

I know that the means to get there have been around longer than I have been alive:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

and that is one of the many surreal aspects of this situation. The vast majority of people are oblivious to it (Levels 0 to 3 http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0), and for those who move past the early levels of denial and unawareness, they virtually all fall into the pitfalls that have swallowed all FE aspirants to date (the other levels below Level 12, and Level 13). I learned extremely hard lessons during my FE days, and one of the main reasons why I am at Avalon is to help prevent people from learning those same lessons the hard way, because it is not easy to survive those learning experiences. We are not going to get over the hump if every aspirant has to go find out the hard way.

The most incorrigible people may be inventors, largely because they invent to get rich and famous, not really to help us turn the corner, although they usually give good lip service. Next in line are businessmen trying to go the capitalistic path, which is greed-based. Godzilla closed off those avenues long ago. The only prayer that the inventor/business path has for FE success is for the inventor with the goods (extremely rare, although plenty of pretenders will tell you otherwise) open-sources it and lets a worthy group carry it forward. I have to meet the inventor with the goods willing to give it away, and I have never heard of the worthy group. The choir can be seen as a stepping stone to forming that worthy group, but the worthy group will likely not just be singers, but soldiers and other roles, but they will not be soldiers suffering from Young Warrior delusions:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

They will have grown up and operate from the soul role’s positive pole, persuasion, and are no longer operating from its negative pole, coercion. Coercion is not the path to Heaven on Earth, which is my goal. For the FE project, all involved roles have to operate from their role’s positive pole, which is love:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

Anything less is not going to cut it, and is the path to catastrophe in the FE pursuit, and the mature approach is the province of older souls. The old skins are not going to hold the new wine, and all such approaches: capitalist, the secrecy game, appealing to scarcity-based ideologies (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant), and so on, are based on fear. An approach based on love has never been tried before, and it will not be an easy trick, not in a world of scarcity. But, that is the fool’s errand that I am attempting, and we will see how it goes.

My work hurricane has entered what may be a brief respite, after blowing nearly continually since October of last year. I plan to make a lot of progress on that energy and humanity essay in the coming months, and will be trying hard to complete it in 2012, and I am optimistic. But people keep dumping crap into my life all along the way, which is my karma, most probably, but everybody who has walked this road gets served up the same delights. It comes with the territory, for better or worse.

We will see how this quixotic quest goes.

Best,

Wade

[Jean-Luc]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
The old skins are not going to hold the new wine, and all such approaches: capitalist, the secrecy game, appealing to scarcity-based ideologies (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant), and so on, are based on fear. An approach based on love has never been tried before, and it will not be an easy trick, not in a world of scarcity. But, that is the fool’s errand that I am attempting, and we will see how it goes.

Hi Wade,

There is a (small ?) possibility that the Keshe route might be a major one out of this mess and false scarcity paradigm, whoever difficult it clearly will be.

Merhan Keshe is definitely an inventor (and most probably a major discoverer - it could well that he has discovered some of THE major KEYS of the inner working principles of the Universe) with, as far as I can see, high ethical principles, and who’s turned away from the classical model of trying to get his inventions on the market for the sole purpose of making money.

However extravagant some of his claims clearly appear to be, Keshe's prime motivation today is to pass on his knowledge and know-how to a young generation of students from all over the world,
http://keshefoundation.com/phpbb/vie...php?f=10&t=253

whereas at the same time passing on the information, in a controlled way, to governments from all over the world (with an emphasis on poor countries) in the form of a gift to humanity for the improvement of life on every single human being on earth
http://www.keshefoundation.com/phpbb...php?f=2&t=2478

Highly noble principles which obviously are coming in 100% frontal collision with the GC’s game. He’s no fool and perfectly aware of the global racket, especially after having experienced firsthand some horrendous Canadian rendition program lately (July 2010) while on a trip from Brussels to Mexico, with stopover in Toronto,
http://www.keshefoundation.com/phpbb...&view=previous

together with other firsthand experience of corruption and the like from the Belgian authorities and interests groups, including the use of some crooks, the type of whom, Wade, you are quite familiar with (cf. Mr Texas ) http://keshefoundation.com/phpbb/vie....php?f=2&t=193

The sale of his plasma generator (planned to be available by end 2012) would be primarily aimed at financing the school he is planning to open in the near future.

The major obstacle clearly will be all the usual Godzilla's spins to prevent this to happen, and the first moves seem to have happened as recently as on April 23 with this Obama's decree:
http://www.keshefoundation.com/phpbb...php?f=2&t=2485

Meanwhile, research into the medical field, fundamentally based on the same principle (the body is regarded as a galaxy) is continuing at high speed with many very encouraging results for all sorts of serious and debilitating neurological diseases
http://keshefoundation.com/en/applications/medical

On the forum, the 2009 Nele’s story (a 38 years young beauty who was pulled out from a very severe coma) is quite fascinating to follow.
http://www.keshefoundation.com/phpbb...&view=previous

To get a better grasp on what's going on here, I would strongly recommend anyone interested to skim through this 222 pages PDF I've prepared from the keshefoundation website (with proofreading & editing). It provides an overview of all Keshe communications of his forum from 2009 through 2012
http://www.vigli.org/Keshe/Overview_...10-05-2012.pdf


Conference with M. Keshe, Belgium, April 29, 2012 - I was simply there to introduce him and to (try and) translate his sometimes difficult to understand English into French

Best,

Jean-Luc


P.S. Essential reading : His 2010 CO2 paper with amazing transformation of CO2 gas into liquid & solid CO2 at room temperature and atmospheric pressure.

http://keshefoundation.com/pdfs/CO2_paper.pdf
with further comments here : http://www.keshefoundation.com/phpbb...&view=previous

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Jean-Luc:

I am going to respond to your Keshe post on the FE inventors’ thread in the next day or two:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...665#post431665

I played the inventor game more than once, and Keshe’s approach threw up about twenty red flags from my brief review before. I’ll address some of them on that thread. Lone ranger inventors do not have prayer, and Keshe has barely gotten his feet wet. Dennis made plenty of tall claims, and they pale beside Keshe selling tickets to the moon.

Thanks,

Wade

[Limor]

Hello Jean-Luc,

I have managed to watch Mr Keshe's talk in Eindhoven on Youtube this week, I have noticed how by only a few signs derived from Wade's years of tremendous experience it is possible to notice some bumps in Mr Keshe's road to 'FE for all' plan. an expanded cooperation with world governments was one major sign that can be interpreted as naivety, though you can't blame him for being a naive person. It was very interesting listening to his claims and I hope his FE promises 'hold water', so to speak.
There were a couple of more signs that showed this was not what Wade is interested in. Mr Keshe's has not denied selling his inventions, However, declared that later on it will be free. an old state of mind to a new energy paradigm might not bring the results that we now know is possible to achieve.
Maybe we can talk about it in the inventors thread. I need to rush to work. How wonderful that you attended and translated in your Belgium conference, It is enviable that you have such opportunities so close to home!

An earth quake estimated at 5.5 has shook my surroundings just a couple of minutes ago

Mother earth, I love you and understand your pain, be well

p.s

Wade's long post above is a fasicanting reading and It raised a couple of thoughts and questions, I will see if I will be able to communicate them and put it in English. I will try to do this along my night shift.

~^&*~^&*

Limor

[Fred Steeves]

I like your choir idea Wade. If being a so called dreamer winds up being one's calling in life, then by god shoot for the stars. Maybe even a smidge beyond.

Cheers Mate,
Fred

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Briefly, there have been about 30 or 40 inventor-itis posts on this thread so far, asking about this and that inventor, and if he “has it!” Inventors are a tiny part of the issue, and this obsession with them is really counterproductive, IMO, especially for what I am trying to do. Forty years ago, I thought they were some key component of the problem, but that was really a misdirection. The scientifically illiterate and those who have never tried to bring disruptive technology to market often think that inventors are some key part of the FE problem. Well, they aren’t, not really. At least 50,000 inventors along the FE and related technology lines have been taken out over the years by organized suppression. The good stuff you rarely hear about, as it is taken out of circulation almost immediately.

I have not seen anything different among the Keshes, Rossis, etc., etc., to get me too excited about their prospects. They have not even made it to the big time yet, when Godzilla begins to really get active. They are at or a little past the tinkerer stage, and have no idea what they are up against. I really don’t like watching naïve inventors sally forth, thinking that they have the magic answer. The answers have existed longer than I have been alive, but it is all underground, in the above-top-secret world, which the Keshes and Rossis of the world appear to be completely oblivious to. FE technology has been getting suppressed since Tesla. The honor roll is long and grim (Moray, Gray, Trombly, Sweet, etc., etc., etc.), but every inventor that comes along is either entirely unaware of how the land really lies, or has some charmingly naïve and egocentric rationale of why his effort will be the one to succeed. I really don’t want to watch anymore. Although I have made several posts on how my thinking evolved over the years on this issue, it looks like I will need to do it again.

Best,

Wade

[Limor]

Hi,

The idea of a choir frightens me a bit, it has its association of a group that needs to be fitting in every aspect, in order to create a harmonious tone. not much of an individuality and a personal self expression there. But that's my own fears rasing to the surface, and I know thats not at all the intention of Wade's future discussion group.

Originally posted by Wade Frazier: "I have found that somebody like Ruddiman will virtually never even admit to the possibility of FE, partly because of the so-called “laws of physics,” but also because it makes all the problems that he has been grappling with for so long simply evaporate."

Also:

"Introduce FE, and all of their arguments and “solutions” fade away to insignificance. That is one of the mind-bogglers of the FE pursuit. It takes entire lines of theory and problem-solving and makes them all obsolete, and that is one of the reasons why FE meets the brick wall of the Level 3 crowd"

Would you say that there is some kind of a psychological stumbling-block for scientists/researchers that invested great part of their life in studying a specific problem, to accept any other proven solution which will bound them to consider a different persective from what they did till that point, even if that will bring the desired solution? In other words, would they prefer to not even consider new paradigms if it will hint that they did it all 'wrong' all these years? (I guess thats a little bit of a generalizing question)

Originally posted by Wade : "It is now estimated that humanity moves more of the world’s soil and rock each year than all of Earth’s geophysical processes (water, ice, wind, landslides – See Ruddiman’s Plows, Plagues and Petroleum, p. 149) do put together"

And they say that Man can not beat nature.. well, in our destructive ways, unfortunetly,we do. and with a total different set of purposes..

By what you are describing, Wade, planet earth was not an inhabitable place for life as we know it today when it was formed, it took billions of years of a 'masterpeace process' to allow life to develop. That embodies such an inteligence wich is well beyond our grasp, and it feels like a proof in itself to the existance of some sort of a deity. that's incredible.

In the 'convoluted universe' series of books by Dolores Cannon it is described (via her client's hypnosis sessions) that planets (earth included) develop in a gradual way, after the oceans are created, they need to cool off, as well as the ground in order to have fish, plants and other life forms to appear. I think it also mentioned the photosynthesis process, if I remember correct.

From the Book:(on another planet which is not earth)

"Dolores: Is is a new planet?

N: Yes, it's just forming.

Dolores: It doesn't have any plants or life on it at all?

N: No. It only has the heat that's being cooled and the dark obsidian that's been cooled from the mist.

...The ball of light comes and then becomes hotter, and then the hotter becomes hotter. it becomes fire. Around the fire formes molecules of matter that go together and form the black obsidian. Black obsidian forms around the fire. The fire stays inside and continues building the planet, but it has to have the mist to cool the matter so the matter forms solid matter.

Dolores: Where did the ball of light originally came from?

N: Source. source sends out the ball of light.

The ball of light generates the heat and the molecules on it's own and then the different energies come to form around what's needed, according to what is planned for the planet. after the planet is cooled down other formations will occur. (like water)

Dolores: Habitable planets must have water,Isn't that true?

N: Some planets do, some planets don't.

Dolores: So, water is not always necessary for the formation of life

N: No

Dolores: Some places live on other things?

N: Yes, that is correct. many varieties. "

if we are meant to believe that, than it supports Wade's, ruddiman's and maybe other scientists assumptions of earth history prior to the human part of it, but it also explains why it might be a little inaccurate of us earthlings to assume that water is always a sign of life.. :) and probably the same can be said of Oxygen, I don't know, I am no scientist.

Originally posted by Wade: " Mars is geologically dead, however. It does not have the tectonic plate activity that drives many elemental cycles on Earth and keeps Earth inhabitable, it does not have the magnetic field that protects Earth’s atmosphere from direct solar radiation (the notion that the magnetic field is necessary to protect the atmosphere has been challenged by recent data), and people in the know deride Godzilla’s grand plans as hopelessly misguided"

If Godzila has technologies that are far beyond what the 'white science' has, maybe they know something about Mars that the popular sciense don't ? it is difficult to believe that with their cleverness (and not much wisdom whatsoever ) they will invest in the wrong so called 'stock'. unfortunetly they probably 'desrve' more credit than that, if not, than our situation is not at all bad. need say no more

I wonder, if in a world operated by FE, where the percentage of contamination in air, food and water will be almost non existant, will the free radicals will be very greatly reduced? and will that impact the human life span? I am sorry if this sounds like an ignoramus question, but It just thoughts popping in my mind..


Economy -

Originally posted by Wade : "...as ideological indoctrination conditioned everybody, money was invented. On one hand, it is argued that money made the exchange function easier to maintain..."

Then, maybe money is not really the problem, the problem might be that the system is taking an interest on loans and such, which is not equal to a barter .. (taking interest was utterly prohibited in the Hammurabi's laws, and in the biblical version it was not allowed to loan with an interest to the poor), and as Wade wrote, it is done at the expense of the rest of us.

In a world of vast abundance, energy is the real economy. It is very much the same now. But we have a limited awarness of it, and our future life will be consciously based on it, it will be our own productive creation.

Abundance can not be used to the favour of any one individual , but in a much more social and collective attitude where one is for all and all is for one, I think that's what Wade means by 'soul-centric' economy.

Don quixote was considered to be a man who pursued pipe dreams, but I have read somewhere that the initial literary work by Cervantes was called: " The smart Knight - Don Quixote"



,so you did not totally lose your chance, Wade ;)

Have an enjoyable rest of the day!

~^&*~^&*

Limor


P.s- Kudzy (Darren), I appreciate your post, It was beautiful and an interesting read.
A wondering ponderer - I feel the same as you about supporting the choir, it resonates with me. not everyone are lead singers. Welcome to Avalon

Ilie, I have read the 'Celestine prophecy' and its sequal, 'the tenth insight', as well as the guides, and it all seems very percise to me. an inspiration of a book, it really made sense.some great insights. I am yet to read the third book in the triology - 'The secret of shambhala'

[Melinda]

Posted by Limor (here)
Hi,The idea of a choir frightens me a bit, it has its association of a group that needs to be fitting in every aspect, in order to create a harmonious tone. not much of an individuality and a personal self expression there. But that's my own fears rasing to the surface, and I know thats not at all the intention of Wade's future discussion group...

...P.s- Kudzy (Darren), I appreciate your post, It was beautiful and an interesting read.
A wondering ponderer - I feel the same as you about supporting the choir, it resonates with me. not everyone are lead singers. Welcome to Avalon

Thank you Limor, for your thoughtful posts and for the welcome. I second your feelings about Darren's post. It's a privilege to read writing that lets you into someone's world that way. When I read his post, it transported me. Thank you Darren.

To Limor... Re: The Choir... I kind of feel like it's already happening. Perhaps that makes me a bit like a kid who gets given a gift-wrapped present, but gets so excited about the wrapping paper they exhaust all their 'thank yous' and forget to open the box. (i.e. I don't get the point yet.) I'm only at page 12 of this thread (although I've been reading the recent updates) and I've found people's contributions so engaging that at this stage, if someone said "Lets have a choir, with elephants, coloured ribbons and a giant hot air balloon," I'd probably say "Excellent idea people - let's do it !!" The way I see the choir idea it doesn't matter if everyone's vision is slightly different. It's almost as if the choir will be more multidimensional than a regular choir - as if the notes on the 'sheet music' will change in front of each individual according to the individuality they project, but the shared abundance-based vision will create this astonishing piece of music. Like when you see an amazing set of Jazz musicians improvise together - they're coming from different places with different ideas, but somehow they intuitively create a piece of music that not only makes sense, but takes on an energy bigger and brighter than the sum of its parts.

I'm just excited that there's going to be a choir at all. If I'm not in it, I definitely want a ticket

Thanks again for the post.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

OK. Here is why I do not focus on inventors for the FE issue. Nearly forty years ago, when I first got my dreams of changing the energy industry:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

I had not heard of Nikola Tesla:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#tesla

but I had heard plenty about how inventors got ripped off from Mr. Mentor. Virtually no inventor ever got rich by inventing. The inventors behind the breakthrough technologies have almost never been rewarded for their inventions. They even teach that in technology development classes today. I knew all about that when I was a teenager. Sears was notorious for meeting with inventors and acting like they were interested, and then they would copy and steal it. One of their victims sued, and received a $100 million settlement or so, for the invention that keeps the socket securely fastened on socket wrenches. While Mr. Mentor was inventing the circuits that charge batteries (stolen by an aerospace firm), or inventing a bomb that did not hurt people while destroying weaponry:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#_edn1

his innovations were often too earth-shaking. After he retired, he tried to invent small, and came up with this invention:

http://www.ezrollercleaner.com/

You will see many variations of them today, but he invented the first one back in the 1980s and got an audience with a magnate to demonstrate it. Naturally, they queered the deal and then made their own, and Mr. Mentor once again had his invention stolen. All of his inventions were either stolen or suppressed. That is standard operating procedure in American capitalism. Watching that happen so many times had an impact on me. When I was working in hell in LA:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post406928

not only was I in a hellish environment, but I was in a profession that I really questioned its societal benefit (it was worthless, as I later discovered http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#believing), but what was really nagging me was the thought of when I was going to do something important with my life and chase those energy dreams from my teenage years. You all know what happened next:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

All I can say is be careful what you wish for.

I bowled over the man who interviewed me, and there were no other contenders for the job after my interview. He later engineered the theft of Dennis’s Seattle company, using the very transaction that he was hired to properly execute to instead use it to steal the company from his boss. I began waking up quickly during those days.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#salient1

But I was thrust into the world of disruptive energy technology, inventors, factories and the like. I became buddies with Dennis’s lead inventor in Seattle. He worked for GM, unknowingly playing invention-thief for GM for several years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#inventor

While he was at GM in the 1950s, one of their 70 MPG trucks accidentally got into a showroom and was driven home by a customer, which embarrassed GM. The 100 MPG carburetor is nearly a hundred years old, and many, many inventors have made high-mileage carburetors, and they have all been bought out or suppressed, for a suppression ratio of 100%:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#carb1

I ran into a bunch of those from the first-hand participants over the years. And high MPG carburetors are the small stuff. Godzilla rarely stoops to that level; the car and oil companies can take care of it themselves. That is partly why I say that Godzilla is far from the only predator in the jungle.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#godzilla

As I hung out with Mr. Inventor and saw his life’s work get taken from him when Dennis’s Seattle company was destroyed and stolen, he once told me that inventors never supported each other, but inventors’ organizations were always about the inventors vying with each other to become the Alpha Inventor who would commandeer the organization to support his invention at the expense of all others.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#inventor1

In looking back, that was when the bloom began to come off the rose for me and inventors. When Mr. Inventor tried to extort $250K from us in Ventura:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#extortion

after we tried to help him, the bloom really began to come off the rose with me and inventors.

Victor Fischer began to make self-serving plays as the sledgehammer came down in Ventura:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#fischer

and it got so bad that Dennis paid him to stay away from our Ventura facility. Even the machinist was trying to play Alpha Dog, even though he was only the machinist. In the end, they all acted dishonorably, especially when the going got hard. Mr. Professor and I were the only two people from the inner circle who did not betray or abandon Dennis, and we miraculously busted him out of jail, although it cost us our lives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

I was young enough to survive the experience, but Mr. Professor was not:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#journey

and that will haunt me the rest of my life. During those days, not only did I see all of those inventors, engineers and scientists acting dishonorably, I also was amazed at how naïve they were. When I heard that Mr. Engineer and Mr. Researcher were going to go work for Mr. Texas:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#salient3

I could not believe it at first. Mr. Engineer and I had already seen those maneuvers more than once, and you could almost smell the sulfur wafting off of Mr. Texas as he made his play, and the pointy tail was sticking out of his pants. But Mr. Engineer acted like a five-year-old being offered candy from a stranger, and he once ran the world’s largest factory:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post400492

That kind of naïveté is common among scientists, engineers and technical professionals, and has to do with how they are wired:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#nerd

I am a semi-nerd myself, so I can relate to a lot of how blind they are to things that “normal” people can easily see. I can’t read body language and non-verbal cues very well, for instance. I have to be regularly debriefed during my career on office politics and who was sleeping with whom, because I needed to know it to help run the company, and I would have never been able to see it on my own. But the human condition I have made a study for many years, even though there is a lot about it that I can’t easily see.

Where that all is relevant in the FE pursuit and inventors is that they can be amazingly naïve and blind to very obvious dynamics. Add in that most inventors are motivated to become rich and famous, and magnify it by a thousand times where FE is concerned, and then it might begin to become clearer why I have rarely seen an inventor with the right stuff to walk even ten feet down the FE path. Delusions of grandeur often infect them early on:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#grandeur

They almost all fall prey to greed before any project gets very far along, and they are easily seduced by Godzilla’s agents (or free-lance crooks), like Mr. Engineer was by Mr. Texas.

Another big delusion around FE and inventors is thinking that somebody can make a market-ready FE device in their garage. Of the 20,000 people or so who took the money, probably few, if any, were ready for commercial production. Not long after Brian O began to snoop into FE, he tried to sober up newbies that there was a huge gulf between the inventor in his garage with a prototype and putting something on the market. In his last years, Brian figured that it would take about $200 million to do it. The lies about Dennis aside:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#libel

nobody in the FE field has ever had that kind of access to funding, for several reasons, and not just because Godzilla is vigilant. Capitalism is a shark tank, and it gets magnified greatly for a technology that promises wealth beyond the dreams of avarice:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#quadrillion

Virtually everybody who gets involved thinks of stealing it, and I have watched many try:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#steal

And you might notice that I am not even talking about Godzilla yet. When he joins the party, the party can be over pretty quickly. Rossi and Keshe, for instance, have not even glimpsed Godzilla yet.

I could go on for many pages on what I learned about the inventor/capitalist path to FE. I eventually realized that it does not have a prayer in the current environment, but virtually every voice in the FE field today comes at the problem from the inventor-capitalist end of it. It is all a dead end, IMO, and I decided to do something different. But, as you look at this thread, and see the dozens of posts on this or that inventor, you can see how “infected” the FE spectators are regarding that approach, and thinking that it holds some promise. Only people like Dennis, repeatedly laying his life on the line, has any business trying those routes, and I decided long ago that I did not want to, nor could I afford to, play that game any longer.

When I look at a Keshe or Rossi or Steorn, all I can think of is “lambs to the slaughter,” and oblivious lambs at that. I just got back from hiking, my first real mountain hike of the year, and need to go lie down for a little while. Before the weekend is over, I will write on that inventors’ thread about some of the many red flags that came up when witnessing Keshe’s approach, and I’ll respond to the other posts on the Wade-related Avalon threads.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Briefly, Limor, thanks for your input. I have an understanding of your fears, but nobody is going to be putting their livelihood into singing the song that I envision, so being in or out of the choir has no bearing on anybody’s daily lives, livelihoods, etc. The song is one of abundance, and it has never been heard on Earth before in chorus, not in a practical way. As Brian O said, there are plenty of people who say the mystical right words, but making it all real and practical is the hard part. Godzilla’s greatest triumph is keeping FE and what can come with it unimaginable to the masses. I don’t want to engage the masses, but the awake and the awakening. The masses will begin to wake up to FE and abundance when it can be part of their daily reality. After years and years of playing the Level 10 game with Dennis and Brian:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level10

I realized that the masses just can’t get it. And almost nobody else can, either. I am not looking for a bunch of people, but needles in haystacks. I am looking for people who can hit the notes, and I am not currently trying to recruit anybody into that future choir. I will likely try with a few Avalonians, but it will probably only be a few. As I have stated before, what Ilie has done is the gold standard of what I am looking for, but even Ilie may not want to join. I have not really come out with the hymnal yet, not with what I am shooting for. The most important part is that people can hit the notes, and almost nobody currently knows the song. Heck, they have not even heard it before.

I quote Cannon’s work on my site a bit:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#cannon

and have most of her books, including all those Convoluted Universe books. Are those stories accurate? Beats me. Yes, a lot of it dovetails with what scientists are finding out, but plenty does not. Yes, with a sample size of one, nobody really knows about the other planets out there. Scientists usually are modest enough to say, “Life as we know it.” We don’t know much, on a galactic scale. The mystical stuff says that there are talking clouds on some planets, and Michael says that there are a million ensouled species in our galaxy. I find it interesting in that as scientists spot more planets orbiting nearby stars, and they find that planets are common features of solar systems, and they are now finding planets that are like Earth, at least in size and orbit and the star it orbits, that some of the estimates I am now seeing make the million ensouled species number begin to fall within the range of estimates of possibly Earth-like planets in our galaxy that may host complex life. Over the years, when I have seen various channels voice scientific information, I file it away in the back of my mind, and it is interesting when I later stumble onto scientific findings that confirm those words, such as Seth’s statements about pleomorphic viruses:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#seth1

Hi Fred: We will see how this crazy idea pans out.

Hi Wandering Ponderer, yes, as long as the song is love and abundance, with some practical, grounded perspectives, there will be as many variations on the song as there are choir members. But, the song is one of love and practical abundance. Every singer needs to be able to hit those notes.

I have chores to do, so signing off for the night.

Best,

Wade